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Offline TacoTraveler

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Bench top planner suggestions
« on: November 08, 2017, 12:59 PM »
I am sure this has been covered before but I would like some newer input.  I have a Delta 22-560 bench top planer that I have had for 15 years.  I still have the original blades in it just too busy (or lazy) to replace them.  It has done a good job for a hobbyist.  It does have an issue with snipe and tear out surfacing cherry.  I have been thinking on going with a helical head bench top model. (My basement shop has limited space.)  I will be retiring in a few months and would like to do more wood working with recycled materials.  I just bought a Rikon 14” band saw to re-saw if needed.  My question is are the helical head machines as good as the sales people say and what models would you recommend?  This has been brought on by a friend of mine who is interested in the Delta.  Any suggestions on what to ask for it used?

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Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2017, 01:23 PM »
I don't own a helical head planer but have a Dewalt (15-20 yrs old) and Makita both with straight blades. In my research before getting the Makita a few years back, one thing I noticed that some buyers may glance over is that some of the helical lunch box style planers have high speed steel helical cutters and not carbide helical cutters. Pay attention to that. I put a Byrd head in my Jet jointer years ago and have never needed to rotate the carbide cutters yet. Little square HSS cutter inserts will not have the same lifespan as the square carbide inserts. Also Byrd cutter inserts have 4 cutting edges per insert you can rotate through over the life of the inserts. There are some brands which only offer 2 cutting edges. Things to think about when evaluating features and price.

I am sure this has been covered before but I would like some newer input.  I have a Delta 22-560 bench top planer that I have had for 15 years.  I still have the original blades in it just too busy (or lazy) to replace them.  It has done a good job for a hobbyist.  It does have an issue with snipe and tear out surfacing cherry.  I have been thinking on going with a helical head bench top model. (My basement shop has limited space.)  I will be retiring in a few months and would like to do more wood working with recycled materials.  I just bought a Rikon 14” band saw to re-saw if needed.  My question is are the helical head machines as good as the sales people say and what models would you recommend?  This has been brought on by a friend of mine who is interested in the Delta.  Any suggestions on what to ask for it used?
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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2017, 01:55 PM »
I have a DeWalt 735 planer with the Byrd SHELIX (helical) head on it and I love it.

Pros:
-- Sound signature is reduced from a howl to a low growl. With heavy duty earmuffs on it can be hard for me to tell if the machine is on or not
-- Very nice finished surface
-- The 735 has a built-in blower, which makes your dust collector's job a lot easier
-- The Byrd head comes with nice instructions, and there are numerous "how-to" videos on youtube
-- Wixey makes a nice digital depth gauge that works well on the Dewalt

Cons:
-- I think you lose a very tiny amount of cutting depth, I generally try to keep my removal rates to </= 1/16", so plan on taking very light passes
-- I have pronounced snipe the first 3" or so of my boards. Generally not a problem, I just cut my lumber long and only trim to length after it has been dimensioned.
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Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2017, 02:03 PM »
I don't get any snipe on either of my planers. I even run pieces cut to length through the Makita, lightly sand and immediately use for projects. Planer setup and technique do reduce or eliminate snipe in my experience.
- John

Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2017, 02:10 PM »
I don't get any snipe on either of my planers. I even run pieces cut to length through the Makita, lightly sand and immediately use for projects. Planer setup and technique do reduce or eliminate snipe in my experience.

Snipe was not an issue on my 735 until I swapped the heads. There might be a little fine tuning I can perform, but I won't lose any sleep over ~2" of snipe on a 10' board  [big grin]
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Offline JimH2

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2017, 02:49 PM »
2" or so of snipe is to be expected and more so if you are aggressively removing material.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2017, 05:04 PM »
@TacoTraveler let me add some additional thoughts. First let me say that I have a Dewalt 735 with a shelix head and I like it. I picked it up used the other day from someone who was upgrading to a 20 inch planer. I felt that I got a fair deal on it. It does do a decent job on everything I've thrown at it. I did still have a bit of tear out in figured cherry but not as much as I used to.

Buying new however and you are up to about $1000 for the machine and the head. and you still have a 13 inch planer. For that money you should be able to find a used 15 inch or add some cash to it and you can look at new.

As you know the 735 is not in the same style as your old planer. It is considerably bigger, a bit unwieldy to carry and weighs in over 90 pounds. You'll want to put it on a stand with rollers perhaps to move it around. My friend stores his old style lunchbox planer under his bench and we pull it out when needed. I don't think you will be wanting to do that with the 735. So I don't think you'll save a significant amount of space over a floor model planer.

So you might want to take a look at a floor model either new or used.  If you do go the 735 route, get the bundle that has the extension tables added in.

Offline Svar

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2017, 05:12 PM »
Take a look at Cutech
http://www.cutechtool.com/product-p/40200hc-ct.htm
Spiral cutterhead with carbide inserts and snipe lock.

Offline Svar

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 05:18 PM »
I don't get any snipe on either of my planers. I even run pieces cut to length through the Makita, lightly sand and immediately use for projects. Planer setup and technique do reduce or eliminate snipe in my experience.
Snipe has less to do with technique and more with rigidity and play in the lift mechanism.

Offline krudawg

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 10:10 PM »
Take a look at Cutech
http://www.cutechtool.com/product-p/40200hc-ct.htm
Spiral cutterhead with carbide inserts and snipe lock.
I bought the Cutech when I was in the market for a bench top planer.  I bought it because it had a spiral (sort of ) cutter.  I am quite happy with it for the small amount of woodwork I crank out in my shop  (garage). 
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Offline ear3

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2017, 08:04 AM »
This summer I switched over from the Dewalt 734 to the 735 and added a Shelix head.  Couldn't be happier with the switch, for all the reasons specified already.  I'm not at all mechanically inclined, but I was able to do the installation pretty smoothly over the course of a long morning. 

I would second the observation about the additional weight/bulk of the 735 over the previous model.  I was lucky that I got mine used bundled with the stand and extension tables, as I don't think it would have been feasible for me to continue storing it under my lathe table and lugging it out every time it was needed, as I did with the 734.  It's weight and size place it at the upper limits of portability.  The one gripe I have is that the outfeed extension table doesn't fold up unless you raise the planerhead basically to max depth, and use the cord wrap to secure the table in an upright position.  Without doing that the planer ends up taking up a lot of space.

I continue to get occasional snipe, though small enough where it's not really a problem even if I don't cut the board with extra length.  What's odd is that some boards will still come out of the machine with no snipe at all.  I think it might have to do with how well the face running along the table surface is jointed -- I have to do all my jointing by hand, and so do not always achieve machine-grade flatness.  In addition, I've noticed that some woods, particularly softwoods, snipe less than others.  I assume it has to do with how much "give" there is in the board to allow it to be flattened by the rollers.   

Note that they also now make a Shelix for the Dewalt 734, if you're looking for more portability.  I've found that having that tiny amount of extra width capacity on the 735 is useful, though.  And the 735 is just in general a better planer over the previous model.
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Offline UncleJoe

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2017, 09:52 AM »
I have owned the CUTECH since this summer. I have run a lot of walnut through it. I have nothing but good things to say. I just does a fabulous job. I took my time adjusting the in-feed and out-feed on it and I have zero snipe. My model is the professional model at around $650 and has carbide spiral head. I had a customer support issue when I first got it and the support was great and fast and fixed the situation perfectly. I add this because I think any company can have a product problem, what is important top me as a consumer is to know how the company reacts to a problem. Their response was great.

I was going to get a Dewalt and add a byrd spiral head but then I would be up over $1000 so I went with this and I am very pleased.

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Offline krudawg

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2017, 09:10 PM »
Take a look at Cutech
http://www.cutechtool.com/product-p/40200hc-ct.htm
Spiral cutterhead with carbide inserts and snipe lock.

I bought a Cutech and am pleased with it's operation.  If I feed the boards in with a little tilt up at the rear of the board, snipe is minimized.  Looked very hard at the Dewalt but because it used straight knives I bought the Cutech which has, as they call it, a spiral cutter but it's not really a true spiral cutter
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2017, 06:04 AM »
"I continue to get occasional snipe, though small enough where it's not really a problem even if I don't cut the board with extra length.  What's odd is that some boards will still come out of the machine with no snipe at all."

What I have done with my DW735 is run the board through at an angle and that seems to eliminate all snipe.
Experiment with yours and see if it works for you. If you place the workpiece at too great an angle then as it it dragged through the machine it will contact the side and be pulled around and on through, it doesn't hang up or bind. This doesn't work for wider pieces I know but on anything less than 8 inches it seems to work for me.
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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2017, 07:38 PM »
Thx for all the comments. I bit the bullet and told Santa to order the Dewalt 735 with in and out feed table today? Shelix head is for a latter day.....

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 09:15 PM »
Thx for all the comments. I bit the bullet and told Santa to order the Dewalt 735 with in and out feed table today? Shelix head is for a latter day.....

I have been using the 735 for about a year or so. Just used it today. I am very happy with it. I like the two speed feature and on the slow feed it produces a very smooth cut. Just using the standard OEM knives. I might get a new head when I use up these knives but not sure.

Snipe sometimes I get some sometimes I don't.  Rigidity , weight and length of board, all play factor.  I just allow for it when ever I can that way it is never a problem.

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Offline glass1

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Re: Bench top planner suggestions
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2017, 08:33 PM »
Dewalt, too loud, too heavy, overrated, looks cool but it’s not portable
Makita just right, lighter, quieter, cuts better, and faster knife change, only 2.