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Offline SRSemenza

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Fisch Brad Point set
« on: June 05, 2018, 12:53 PM »
Just got these so not a real complete review but not a whole lot to review anyway. 1/16" through 1/2" by 64ths. The four smallest are not brad point but it doesn't seem to matter.

These are really good!  Sharp! I drilled some test holes in pine and maple. Very clean, fast cutting, and very good dust / chip removal.

Even the small 1/16" drilled without clogging. I have not used a 1/16" bit ( or anything smaller 1/8" ) that did not have the flutes clog up. These did not clog on my test holes.

Nice complete set and the price is pretty good too. Currently between $80 - $100 on the net.

     


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Offline live4ever

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2018, 05:31 PM »
Intrigued, thanks Seth.  Been looking for a complete set that’s in-between the quality of my LV brad points and my various beater brands.  Sounds like this just might be the ticket.  I have a couple of their Forstners and they’re quite good.
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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2018, 09:05 PM »
If you are looking for a metric set, Axminister has them in High Speed Steel for a decent price.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2018, 09:49 PM »

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2018, 10:51 AM »
If you are looking for a metric set, Axminister has them in High Speed Steel for a decent price.

Woodcraft also has the Fisch set in metric.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/25-piece-metric-brad-point-drill-index

@Cheese  Woodcraft says their set is made from Chrome-Vanadium Steel.  Axminster's set is High Speed Steel.  Isn't HSS the better choice or am I missing something? 

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2018, 10:55 AM »

@Cheese  Woodcraft says their set is made from Chrome-Vanadium Steel.  Axminster's set is High Speed Steel.  Isn't HSS the better choice or am I missing something? 

Mike A.

Hey Mike, I believe chrome vanadium is considered to be a HSS.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2018, 11:09 AM »

@Cheese  Woodcraft says their set is made from Chrome-Vanadium Steel.  Axminster's set is High Speed Steel.  Isn't HSS the better choice or am I missing something? 

Mike A.

Hey Mike, I believe chrome vanadium is considered to be a HSS.

Thanks, Cheese!

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2018, 06:40 PM »
I saw these on Amazon for 89.35 and my total Prime price would be $96.72.  Didn't know Woodcraft carried them.  I'd much rather buy from the Woodcraft brick and mortar and I'll be in Houston on the 17th.  I've got the 8 piece metric set from Fisch and they are very good.
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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2018, 08:49 PM »
I'd much rather buy from the Woodcraft brick and mortar and I'll be in Houston on the 17th.  I've got the 8 piece metric set from Fisch and they are very good.

Ya I like to support the brick & mortars as it’s our last bastion against their demise. When they’re gone... it’s the end of local touchy-feely.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2018, 10:31 PM »
I have had a Fisch 7-Pc imperial brad-point set for many years that I bought at my local dealer and have been very happy with them. Still very sharp and cut a clean hole.  They get 'babied' and only leave their wooden case when in use.

I didn't know they made a large set so glad I stumbled upon this thread.  I ordered from Woodcraft (along with today's mega-deal) and they are on their way.  Thanks Seth!

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2018, 10:31 AM »
looks like a very nice set. I have a set that came with my installers set but its not as complete as this one .So I ordered one for me. Dont need it right now but I will soon.
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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2018, 12:24 AM »
Heads up.

I am just discovering today that some of the small bits are slightly curved making them wobble while drilling. Haven't gone through them all to check , but I might. For something that is designed to drill a precise hole size ................ this is not good. Plus it is irritating as heck while drilling. Might be contacting Fisch to see about replacements.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2018, 01:45 AM »
I was at Harbor Freight today to get a cheap welder and I noticed that they now have a 29 piece brad point drill bit set.  Yes you read right, brad point.  The set was something like $9 with a coupon and included the same sizes as the Fisch.  And the case is not bad at all.

So, what the heck, I bought it.  You know what?  It's pretty cheap.  Not super sharp like a good set.  But the bits really are brad point and they work.  Used several of the sizes in the drill press drilling into white oak today.  3" deep in white oak with the 3/8" bit as a matter of fact.  No problems.  No smoke, nothing caught on fire.  Fairly clean hole.

Obviously it's just a utility set and I'm still going to Woodcraft but these are serviceable in the meantime.
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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2018, 06:18 AM »
I've been looking for a good brad point set and had settled on the Fisch but needed a hole that was 1/8" (0.125) on the money and discovered that every 1/8" Fisch bit I tested at my local Woodcraft using my Mitutoyo digital calipers was undersized.

I really want an accurate set from a quality maker in 1/64 increments with individual replacements of all sizes available.  I'm seriously looking at the ones made by Fuller.  Their sets are a lot more expensive but I love their tapered countersinks.   Tools for Working Wood has the best price I found at $200 for a 28 piece set.  They also have Metric sets in 0.5mm increments.  https://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/dept/CFF

You're right that the bits need to be straight or the run-out will produce an oversized hole.  I have one of those Woodcraft boxed sets with multiple bits of every size.  Half of them aren't straight or sharp.  Chinese crap!
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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2018, 09:39 AM »

I really want an accurate set from a quality maker in 1/64 increments with individual replacements of all sizes available.  I'm seriously looking at the ones made by Fuller.  Their sets are a lot more expensive but I love their tapered countersinks.   Tools for Working Wood has the best price I found at $200 for a 28 piece set.  They also have Metric sets in 0.5mm increments.  https://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/dept/CFF


Thanks for the link, I need to purchase the Fuller larger diameter drill bits that are not available at Jamestown Distributors.

If you need to purchase Fuller individual smaller diameter brad point drills, like 7/64", 3/32" & 5/64" I purchased mine from here.

https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=1374&familyName=Fuller+Brad+Point+Drills+-+Regular+Length

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2018, 03:27 PM »
Not doing too much in the shop this week but painting my last project and cleaning around the house and weather is fabulous!
I am taking a tee break and here is what I use with love. No burning,dulling,smoking or bending. Clean in and out from 28mm to 400mm deep and holes from 1mm to 16mm.





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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2018, 11:07 AM »
OK, I tested some more of them. The smallest four all wobble enough to cause an over sized hole and make the drill "shake". The 1/8" wobbles just a bit. Probably not bad enough to be a problem. Checked more working up in size and did not have any issues. I did not try them all because the sizes above the 1/8" that I tested seemed to indicate that they would all be fine.

For comparison and verification I checked the same sizes in the same drill (and chuck) in Insty and in another high quality twist drill set that I have. No wobble.

The four smallest are the non-brad point which in itself doesn't explain the bent bit factor but it could be they are from a different manufacturing source with lesser tolerances. Just speculating.

Beyond the above issue they are really nice.

It would be good to know from other owners if the same issue occurs wit the same bits.

Seth

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2018, 11:15 AM »
Not doing too much in the shop this week but painting my last project and cleaning around the house and weather is fabulous!
I am taking a tee break and here is what I use with love. No burning,dulling,smoking or bending. Clean in and out from 28mm to 400mm deep and holes from 1mm to 16mm.




Unfortunately doesn't look like Famag has brad point in inches.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2018, 12:56 PM »
I've been looking for a good brad point set and had settled on the Fisch but needed a hole that was 1/8" (0.125) on the money and discovered that every 1/8" Fisch bit I tested at my local Woodcraft using my Mitutoyo digital calipers was undersized.

I really want an accurate set from a quality maker in 1/64 increments with individual replacements of all sizes available.  I'm seriously looking at the ones made by Fuller.  Their sets are a lot more expensive but I love their tapered countersinks.   Tools for Working Wood has the best price I found at $200 for a 28 piece set.  They also have Metric sets in 0.5mm increments.  https://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/dept/CFF

You're right that the bits need to be straight or the run-out will produce an oversized hole.  I have one of those Woodcraft boxed sets with multiple bits of every size.  Half of them aren't straight or sharp.  Chinese crap!

Have you checked other drill bit brands? I don't know about drill bits, but recently I bought some dedicated T-handle hex keys for my lathe and found that there was variation between the right angle hex keys I owned. I took my gauge to the store and found that most were slightly undersized but some hex keys were right on the 3 and 4 mm sizes I was looking for. I started to wonder if that might not be the case with drill bits also. I've never ever checked or paid any attention over the years as I've never had problems with the hole sizes. For many years I've used a Hanson set of regular bits but I will at least check them now. The other side of this whole thing is whether the actual variations matter. In the case of the hex keys, it was enough to make one oversized for the screw heads.
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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2018, 01:35 PM »
I've been looking for a good brad point set and had settled on the Fisch but needed a hole that was 1/8" (0.125) on the money and discovered that every 1/8" Fisch bit I tested at my local Woodcraft using my Mitutoyo digital calipers was undersized.

I do know that metal working drill bits are usually .001”/.003” undersized if measured at the chuck end. I assumed it was because drill bits usually drill a few thousandths oversize, a kind of built-in Kentucky windage.  [big grin]

I’d suggest drilling a hole with the bit in hard wood and then measure the diameter of the hole, as that’s what you’re probably really after, an accurate sized hole.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2018, 01:40 PM »
Sometimes what's marked metric is really imperial and the other way around. I have a Bosch set with an 8mm bit that's really 5/16ths of an inch. Which means my holes end up slightly undersized for an 8mm dowel.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2018, 05:11 PM »
OK, I tested some more of them. The smallest four all wobble enough to cause an over sized hole and make the drill "shake". The 1/8" wobbles just a bit. Probably not bad enough to be a problem. Checked more working up in size and did not have any issues. I did not try them all because the sizes above the 1/8" that I tested seemed to indicate that they would all be fine.

For comparison and verification I checked the same sizes in the same drill (and chuck) in Insty and in another high quality twist drill set that I have. No wobble.

The four smallest are the non-brad point which in itself doesn't explain the bent bit factor but it could be they are from a different manufacturing source with lesser tolerances. Just speculating.

Beyond the above issue they are really nice.

It would be good to know from other owners if the same issue occurs wit the same bits.

Seth

I should be getting mine Thursday. Ill be outof town for a couple of weeks. Ill let ya know after i check them

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2018, 07:25 AM »
I received mine yesterday- I didn't have time to drill test holes, but I did put a few of them in the drill chuck and gave them a spin.  The only one that seemed to have very minor wobble was the 1/16" bit.  Otherwise the ones I tried seemed to spin straight. 

I know- not much help at this point, but I'll try to make some time tonight to drill a few holes as I'm curious how they cut vs. my other Fisch bits.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2018, 11:22 AM »
Sometimes what's marked metric is really imperial and the other way around. I have a Bosch set with an 8mm bit that's really 5/16ths of an inch. Which means my holes end up slightly undersized for an 8mm dowel.

That's not good... [sad]   [sad]...I'm surprised that Bosch would have something like that fall through the cracks. What probably happened is that some 5/16" (.3125ø) drill rod got mixed in with some 8mm (.3149ø) drill rod. Pretty easy to do as the difference in diameter is only .002". However, a robust QA program would certainly ferret out those issues.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2018, 05:19 PM »
The drill bit actually turned out to be marked imperial. But the slot in the case it came in has 8mm on it - in fact the entire 100 part case is marked in metric because nobody uses imperial here at all and Bosch is a German company.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2018, 12:15 PM »
I ended up checking the rest. These sizes all wobble in the set I have.

1/16", 5/64", 3/32", 7/64", 1/8", 9/64", 5/32", 15/64", 3/8".  Though the 1/8" and 3/8" are tolerable.

Sent  a message to Fisch.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2018, 01:44 PM »
@SRSemenza -

Are you seeing the wobble as you roll them across a flat surface or only when chucked in a drill bit?

Do you have a drill press with less run out than a cordless drill to check them in?

Just a thought.

At this point, I am leaning heavily away from the Fisch towards the more expensive Fuller.

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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2018, 02:07 PM »
@SRSemenza -

Are you seeing the wobble as you roll them across a flat surface or only when chucked in a drill bit?

Do you have a drill press with less run out than a cordless drill to check them in?

Just a thought.

At this point, I am leaning heavily away from the Fisch towards the more expensive Fuller.

Joe


 Not scientific but it is pretty easy to detect.

   Chucked in a C12 jacobs.  Wobble is visible while just watching it spin. But    very   apparent when actually drilling. This is not just a tiny bit that is difficult to discern. You can't miss it as the drill shakes side to side. Piece being drilled clamped down.  It isn't the C12, the chuck, or a shaky hand as the rest  of the bits are fine (actually better than fine .... really smooth) as well as other bits I own in the same size. I also tried the wobbly ones twice , re-chucking them too. I could put them in a drill press but there really is no need.
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Re: Fisch Brad Point set
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2018, 05:44 PM »
@deepcreek You might also want to take a look at regular bits from a quality manufacturer. I'm partial to Norseman.

I drill a bunch of holes in hardwoods (mostly walnut and maple) and have as good of results from either 118 or 135 split point bits as I do from brad points. Using a sacrificial backer board on the exit side cuts down on tear out on exit. Plus you can use them on the metal of your choice as well.

You can also get the bits in jobber, mechanic and screw machine lengths

https://www.harryepstein.com/index.php/norseman-29-pc-drill-bit-set.html

https://www.harryepstein.com/index.php/hi-molybdenum-29-pc-drill-bit-set-jobber.html

or cover all the bases with letter and wire size plus inch

https://www.harryepstein.com/index.php/norseman-115pc-magnum-super-premium-drill-bit-set-jobber-length-black-gold-sp-115.html