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GRS-16 and GRS-16PE. Have you tried one?
« on: July 28, 2017, 06:41 PM »
I was intrigued by the claims I had been hearing about this piece of aluminium fitted with a clamp and decided to get in touch with TSO products and ask for one to be shipped over to Australia for me to have a play around with. No affiliate with this company, just asked and they gave. Let me know what you think of it.
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Re: GRS-16 and GRS-16PE. Have you tried one?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2017, 12:15 AM »
Great video. I really need to pick up one of these!
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Re: GRS-16 and GRS-16PE. Have you tried one?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2017, 01:14 AM »
Good stuff, always enjoy your videos.  Today my 18 month old took a liking to the way you say "how are you" at the beginning of your vids...lol...that's all he said for the remainder of the evening.    [tongue]

I have been enjoying my GRS-16-PE.  One comment about your video - I think you mentioned both models fit in a systainer.  I think that's only true of the GRS-16, not the PE version.  Or I've been missing something with mine all this time!
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Re: GRS-16 and GRS-16PE. Have you tried one?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2017, 01:35 AM »
@David Stanton

I've got to stop watching your videos as you are starting to cost me too much.

Just ordered a GRS-16PE after getting a Kapex/UG.

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2017, 02:02 AM »
Good stuff, always enjoy your videos.  Today my 18 month old took a liking to the way you say "how are you" at the beginning of your vids...lol...that's all he said for the remainder of the evening.    [tongue]

I have been enjoying my GRS-16-PE.  One comment about your video - I think you mentioned both models fit in a systainer.  I think that's only true of the GRS-16, not the PE version.  Or I've been missing something with mine all this time!
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Re: GRS-16 and GRS-16PE. Have you tried one?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2017, 02:05 AM »
@David Stanton

I've got to stop watching your videos as you are starting to cost me too much.

Just ordered a GRS-16PE after getting a Kapex/UG.
Look away, do not watch the screen! Go and do some gardening!!
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2017, 02:31 AM »
With 300 acres I'm trying to give up gardening in this weather.

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2017, 04:13 AM »
live4ever. I wonder how long your 18 month will keep it up for. Maybe he will start telling everyone his name is Dave!
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Re: GRS-16 and GRS-16PE. Have you tried one?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2017, 12:13 PM »
Thanks for another great video Dave.
Really enjoyed the discovery regarding squaring up the fence and rail.

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2017, 04:43 PM »
My GRS16-PE will not fit in the Systainer for my TSC55, not without removing all the foam.
I was able to slide a second blade in its package on the left behind the dust bag. It fits so
well that I would swear the spot was made to house a spare blade.
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Re: GRS-16 and GRS-16PE. Have you tried one?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2017, 04:48 PM »
@Bob D.  - could you post a picture of the arrangement you describe?
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2017, 07:49 AM »
@Bob D.  - could you post a picture of the arrangement you describe?
Hans

Sure, here ya go.

Please excuse the blurry pics, was working with one hand and trying
to get these up before I headed out the door this morning.

First photo is GRS16-PE with the TSC55 in the Systainer and trying
to slip it in behind the saw. No room there or anywhere else.

Second photo is with the saw removed, no luck.

Third, fourth, and fifth photos show the space behind the dust bag where
a second blade can be stored, and that if the blade is removed the GRS
will not fit even if the dust bag is removed. The GRS will fit, but you can't
get the saw in there also which makes it a non-starter and if I can't bring
the dust bag with me then that kills a major advantage of the cordless saw.
I could pack the GRS and drag the dust bag outside the Systainer, but then
I might as well do that for the GRS which would be less likely to get damaged
if packed loose than the dust bag would. Might be able to fashion a way to
secure it to the exterior of the Systainer, maybe a thin pocket across the back
with a Velcro flap. Make it the width and depth of the Systainer and have two
pockets, each one capable of holding a GRS vertically. I think two would fit
side-by-side. But the second pocket would more likely be used to hold some
other accessory, maybe there is enough width to slip a spare blade in there.

« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 08:04 AM by Bob D. »
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2017, 08:10 AM »
Well some quick checks revealed that the GRS16-PE is too tall (long) to stand up in a pocket attached to the outside of a Systainer, and too wide to go horizontally unless the flap for the pocket was on the side not the top.

Here's a coupe photos to illustrate what I am talking about.

First photo shows the GRS16-PE standing alongside a blade, there is not
enough width for the blade. It looks like there is enough height below the
lid but because of the way the lid is hinged there isn't (see photo #4).

Second and third photos show the GRS on its side. It would be a tight fit
inside a exterior pocket attached to the Systainer, probably not a good choice.

Fourth photo shows the GRS standing behind the Systainer with the lid open.
You can see the GRS is too high to be positioned in a vertical orientation in a
pocket attached to the exterior of the Systainer mounted on the back, might
work if mounted on the side of the Systainer though as no interference with
the lid when opened.

I tried three times to submit these photos so they would display upright, no dice.
Tried resizing them to less than 250K, tried renaming them so the server wouldn't
use a cached version from the previous post. I stripped all personnel information
out of the photos. They all display correctly on my computer and so did the photos
in my previous post which I took only minutes before and also processed the same
way (resized and removed personnel info). They all display correctly. Of these four
only the third photo is being displayed in the correct orientation, the rest are rotated
90° to the left.

Too bad there is no way to correct this AFTER the image is uploaded and you can see
if it's displayed correctly or not. Even a simple 90° rotate function would be great.
Doesn't seem like too much to expect this being the 21st century. Heck we put a man
on the Moon over 50 years ago and we still can't get this right. Amazing.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 11:00 AM by Bob D. »
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Re: GRS-16 and GRS-16PE. Have you tried one?
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2017, 09:05 AM »
@Bob D.  I wonder how old your GRS-16 PE is. Newer PE's fit in the Systainer behind the saw. The original GRS-16 fits behind the TS-55 saw tilted. So either GRS-16 version will be fit. Tariq in the UK figured that out and posted a picture on the FOG quite some time ago

I'll post pictures later today.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2017, 10:57 AM »
@Bob D.  I wonder how old your GRS-16 PE is. Newer PE's fit in the Systainer behind the saw. The original GRS-16 fits behind the TS-55 saw tilted. So either GRS-16 version will be fit. Tariq in the UK figured that out and posted a picture on the FOG quite some time ago

I'll post pictures later today.
Hans

How 'old' can it be, they only came out a couple months ago. I don't remember who I bought it from, might have been direct from TSOs website. I remember that I got the version with the tapped holes in it, so this makes me think it is the later model.

Again, I have a TSC55, the cordless saw, so maybe between the chargers and the space the batteries take up on the saw is what causes it not to fit which I think its clear in the photos it will not.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 11:02 AM by Bob D. »
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2017, 11:06 AM »
Wait, I know exactly when I ordered it, Mar 31, 2017, at least by this post.

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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2017, 03:55 PM »
My TS55 is the model prior to the R, about 4 years old. Not a cordless. The insert is a low profile plastic job, not a polystyrene version. I have the clamp on the GRS-16PE facing the back of the systainer. These pictures show the standard GRS-16PE and GRS-16 (with clamp facing towards the saw) also fits in the same spot. I do not think Festool have changed the size of the systainer, only the insert and as it is foam, easy to shape to accomodate the square
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2017, 04:23 PM »
The GRS16-PE  fits nicely in the pocket on the Festool guide rail bag, so that is where I carry it. Saw is not much good without rails, so doesn't matter to me if it's not in the Systainer with the saw.
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2017, 07:58 PM »
@Bob D.  - now I get it. Either of the two GRS-16 version will fit in the Systainer behind the TS-55 , but NOT when you have the more voluminous Cordless saw.
Glad we have the FoamPac  when that is what's needed.
And thanks for the pictures David!

Oh, has anyone tried to fit the GRS-16 with a TS-75? let us know please.
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2017, 08:05 PM »
Yes, I like the way my saw nests in the foam. I wouldn't want it banging around if I were to remove or alter the foam. I keep my chargers in the Systainer too and would take them with me if traveling to a remote work site, and I wouldn't want them banging around with the saw. I noticed in Dave's photo the TS55 lays flat in the Systainer, mine is set in on an angle.
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2017, 04:30 AM »
I don't know what the problem is. I tried both the GRS-16 and GRS-16PE in the TSC-55 with the saw and all the kit. The dust bag fits easily beside the battery charger. Pics included that I took today. [/img]
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2017, 04:32 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2017, 04:34 AM »
« Last Edit: August 02, 2017, 04:37 AM by David Stanton »
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2017, 05:09 AM »
I don't see the chargers. I have the AirStream batteries and chargers.
I wouldn't think that makes a difference though.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2017, 05:15 AM »
266397-0Hi Bob. The charger is under the 27mm replacement nozzle, beside the dust bag.
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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2017, 05:30 AM »
OK, didn't see that before Dave.
You only have the one charger or you only keep one charger in the Systainer?

In post #11 you can see how my two chargers are stowed to the right
side-by-side and standing on end.

The Dust bag came stowed on the left and I added the extra blade in the slot
behind it.

Anyway, I have taken this thread WOT from where it started. Your review of the
GRS16 and GRS16-PE was very good and shows that capabilities of the two with
clarity. I find my GRS to be accurate and it speeds my work by reducing the time
needed to setup/square the rail before a cut.
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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2017, 06:13 AM »
Hi Bob. I own the corded version of the TS55, I do not own the cordless version of the TS55, so I took the GRS-16 to the store and checked if it would fit to satisfy my own curiosity.
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2017, 11:01 AM »
Yet another gadget for the tracksaw. With all of the similar gadgets available you would think someone would get a clue that their rail system needs improvement.

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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2017, 11:24 AM »
@JimH2 - do you have a suggestion? - what would constitute an improvement to the track?
what would be a cost effective alternative and improvement to an aluminum extrusion to for guiding the plunge cut saw?

How about  some responses , like " I wish the saw guiding system included or embodied the following . . . " ". . .  at a cost comparable to . . .)

what are the shortcomings of the solutions including aftermarket accessory combinations which are available now?


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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2017, 11:45 AM »
@JimH2 - do you have a suggestion? - what would constitute an improvement to the track?
what would be a cost effective alternative and improvement to an aluminum extrusion to for guiding the plunge cut saw?

How about  some responses , like " I wish the saw guiding system included or embodied the following . . . " ". . .  at a cost comparable to . . .)

what are the shortcomings of the solutions including aftermarket accessory combinations which are available now?

I'm not criticizing the various solutions as they are all needed to overcome basic issues. I am saying that Festool needs to take a serious look at the design of their rails. There are a lot of aftermarket products for clamping rails together and alignment that they need to get in this market or tweak the rail design to avoid some of these issues. As an example why should I have to pay $100 to guarantee a straight connection between two rails or deal with alternative which is a super long rail with deflection issues. I have 2 of the FS3000's and both have deflections in the center. I have access to a 3rd with the same issue and have heard from others having the same problem. An improved connector might be able to solve the straightness issue when connecting 2 rails. Additionally Festool has a gazillion accessories and gadgets that cover almost every issue and use case. Surely they have ideas on how to address these most basic issues.

My solution was to look elsewhere and took me to Mafell and their rail system. I do realize that they just can't switch the rail system and leave everyone behind, but surely it must be possible to design a rail that accommodates any base plate changes that might be required to accommodate better connectors.