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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2012, 09:22 PM » |
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I love my Grex. I have the 635 and have had no issues with it.
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jacko9
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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2012, 09:42 PM » |
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Dan, A few years back I bought the Nikle 23 gauge pinner and I love it. It shoots pins 1 9/16" into hardwood with no problem.
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2012, 09:57 PM » |
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I can tell you guys from a dealers perspective we deal with no repairs, warranties or unhappy geez customers. Sell tooooons and they just keep on firing, no complaints. Cool color too.
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Memphis Larry
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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2012, 11:13 PM » |
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I have the Cadex that shoots the 2" pins with heads. Love it. Use it with the long pins all the time.
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Upscale
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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2012, 12:41 AM » |
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I have the Cadex that shoots the 2" pins with heads. Wouldn't that pin be called a brad if it has a head? |
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Memphis Larry
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2012, 08:33 AM » |
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I have the Cadex that shoots the 2" pins with heads. Wouldn't that pin be called a brad if it has a head? They are called "slightly headed pins". They are 23 gauge pins. The hole they leave in the material surface is hardly any different from the standard pins but the extra holding power is noticeably greater. I can shoot through trim, the wall board and into the stud, get a good grip and have very little touchup work to do. |
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Upscale
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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2012, 08:51 AM » |
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They are called "slightly headed pins". They are 23 gauge pins. The hole they leave in the material surface is hardly any different from the standard pins but the extra holding power is noticeably greater. Hmmm. I'll have to look into this. The key benefit to a pinner is the small footprint they leave. I'll have to compare one side by side to a regular pin hole. |
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2012, 11:22 AM » |
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My Grex 23 gauge leaves a hole much smaller and cleaner than all my other pinners, even my other 23 gauge guns. Its much different than standard pins so I am a bit confused by your statement. In certain material sometimes I can not find the hole without a whole lot of effort.
The Grex are the bomb, I will never go back to anything else. Simply get the Grex if you want a great gun.
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The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.
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Dan Clark
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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2012, 11:33 AM » |
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They are called "slightly headed pins". They are 23 gauge pins. The hole they leave in the material surface is hardly any different from the standard pins but the extra holding power is noticeably greater. Hmmm. I'll have to look into this. The key benefit to a pinner is the small footprint they leave. I'll have to compare one side by side to a regular pin hole. Cadex +1. Same quality level as Grex, but can shoot both headless and slightly headed pins. Dan. |
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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2012, 11:58 AM » |
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Just to add to the mix, I have a Fasco pinner. I looks, for the most part, to be identical to the Grex.
The only feature I wish mine had is the integrated air blower, so I could dust off the area before I tack them. I think one of the Grex guns has it
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Scott_W
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« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2012, 06:41 PM » |
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I have the grex p635 and love it. Before that I had the Rigid pinner and it always left marks.
scott
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Upscale
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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2012, 08:32 PM » |
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Cadex +1. Same quality level as Grex, but can shoot both headless and slightly headed pins.
How do you find the availability of the Cadex pins? Are they much more expensive? |
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« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2012, 08:39 PM » |
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Slightly headed? Next we will see ' Slightly Headed Plus'  I have the Grex 635 it has been excellent and leaves a very small hole , practically no mark other than the hole. I think from what I have read on here and elsewhere that the Grex, Omer, and Cadex are all very good. Seth |
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« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2012, 09:55 PM » |
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Don't own either the Cadex or the Grex pin nailer but I have researched them extensively. They are made at the same factory with only minor modifications to differentiate them. Grex has stated that the reason they didn't choose to make the same modification Cadex has done (to fire slight head brads) is that slight head brads will not fire reliably in this design nailer. In other words, the slight heads are more susceptible to jamming to a degree that Grex felt did not meet their standards.
Having said that, many Cadex uses report no exceptional problems with slight brads. If it only increases the risk of jamming by 1 out of 1000 fires then maybe is is not a big deal (just made up that number). Personally I am leaning towards the Grex because I like the no compromise approach, they have a very extensive line of nailers and I like to standardize on brands, and of course, I like green.
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