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Offline redbirdone

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I'm in the same boat.  Chose Bosch's 18v lineup but now rethinking it.  Not a yellow fan, but their 20v lineup is pretty stout, as is the red 18v one. 

Have used a few Metabo tools in my time and was always impressed but they were not mine and were not a part of a collection, if that makes sense.  I don't think Metabo is willing to invest the dollars to try and take away market share from the big 4 (Dewalt, Milwaukee, Bosch and Makita) in the cordless tools market.  Problem is that more and more people are viewing cordless purchases as part of a "system" and they may need to just pull out of cordless entirely. They make great tools though. 

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Offline DB10

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I actually think I may have made a mistake taking on Metabo as my supplemental brand to Festool .. Dewalt nailers seem pretty good, I recently got a drill package that was close to the price of two 2.0Ah batteries (I wanted the 2 x 2.0Ah's for the finish nailer) and the little brushless drill seems quite good. I just snagged an Ebay bargain of a Dewalt cordless multitool with 2 x 2.0Ah's, charger, case, accessories (I was considering a Fein cordless multi, but @DB10 said he liked the Dewalt multi, so I've up for a gamble - plus I've got a Vecturo, corded Fein and a rubbish cordless Dremel multitools a;ready).

I really like my Metabo cordless and brushless 400Nm impact wrench, angle grinders and SCMS. Their 6.2Ah LiHD batteries are awesome, but the Dewalt range (In horrible, hideous, disgusting, manky, putrid YELLOW) could actually have been a better match for my needs [sad]

The Metabo recipro is very average and their fastening options are virtually non existent.

@Kev  Sounds like there's some Yellow fever sweeping across the coast of Australia and taking a hold of Sydney.  [big grin]
 I managed to pick up a couple of the 1.5ah Dewalt batteries last Sunday at A,T.
I was lucky on the price, I got them for $39 each as they had actually gone back up to there original price of $79 by the time I popped in.
 I recall you mentioning before that you didn't rate the Metabo Recip saw, can't quite remember what you didn't like about it and as I think my next tool purchase will be a new Recip to replace my old Makita LXT which is on its last legs I was thinking Yep more yellow I'm afraid the Dewalt DCS38 7NXE, Compact Reciprocating. I like the idea of the compactness of this saw and have found in the past that the Makita is quite often too long in tight places plus I only now have 3ah 18v Makita batteries and thes Recip saws really do benefit form 5ah batteries.
  A note on the Dewalt multi tool, it doesn't really like the Fein style blades, the Dewalt as you know has the quick insert set up designed to use the cut away type blades and the only way to use the Fein type blades is with the Allen screw which is fiddly and they always seem to come loose after a while.

 @redbirdone Not sure if you know but Milwaukee have a new range of cordless nailers that have been released in the US, not yet been released down under to the best of my knowledge, try searching Toolguyd if your interested, It's early days and the reviews are a bit mixed, This is an area where I believe Milwaukee should have been ahead of the big four when it comes to cordless nailers seeing as their parent company is part of Ryobi which have been producing cordless nailers albeit, more so for the DIY market, never the less good cordless nailers for the last three years.

Offline demographic

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I just got the two speed framing nailer this week. Only put sixty or so  nails through it so far.

Its heavier than the Paslodes and Hitachis and Makita I've used so far.
The bump mode is great and I reckon I'll just leave it on that as I have the option of modulating its use with the trigger anyway.
Comes with a no mar tip which is a bonus over most others Ive seen where its an optional extra.
Can't comment on reliability yet obviously but as the gas is half the problem with the others I'm guessing its GOT to be better.
Much quieter than the gas ones, my ears will thank me for this purchase.

Would like a second fix (finishing to some of you) gun but asa subcontractor the only second fix nails we get on site are the straight ones I'll keep using my Hitachi till De-Walt make one that fires the sixteen gauge straight nails.

No way I want to be supplying nails on sites.
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Offline ChrisK1970

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I've got the framer and though I don't use it professionally, I have had the two speed for about a year and a half and love it. I had my first jam over this past winter and clearing it was actually pretty simple. The bump mode works great for me. I just purchased the DCN660 from Murdochs for $279.99 shipped but have not received it yet. It is supposed to be here on Thursday but I am eagerly anticipating its arrival. Thus far my Dewalt tools are few but I am really liking each one. I've got the framer and a brushless drywall gun and even picked up the 20v hedge trimmer. The framer is proving to be a valuable tool for me and will be getting put through some paces over the next month as I set out to build a pergola and a gate and fence. 
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I'm tempted by the framer.  Anyone have the 7 1/4" cordless miter saw?

 @Brice, I had the cordless miter saw. Not enough speed which of course it only runs on 1 - 20v battery. I bought it for a project on the 4th floor with no elevator. It did fine cutting thermo foiled pine crown, battery lasted all day. If they came out with one that used 2 batteries like the Makita that would be great.

Offline Kev

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@Kev  Sounds like there's some Yellow fever sweeping across the coast of Australia and taking a hold of Sydney.  [big grin]
 I managed to pick up a couple of the 1.5ah Dewalt batteries last Sunday at A,T.
I was lucky on the price, I got them for $39 each as they had actually gone back up to there original price of $79 by the time I popped in.
 I recall you mentioning before that you didn't rate the Metabo Recip saw, can't quite remember what you didn't like about it and as I think my next tool purchase will be a new Recip to replace my old Makita LXT which is on its last legs I was thinking Yep more yellow I'm afraid the Dewalt DCS38 7NXE, Compact Reciprocating. I like the idea of the compactness of this saw and have found in the past that the Makita is quite often too long in tight places plus I only now have 3ah 18v Makita batteries and thes Recip saws really do benefit form 5ah batteries.
  A note on the Dewalt multi tool, it doesn't really like the Fein style blades, the Dewalt as you know has the quick insert set up designed to use the cut away type blades and the only way to use the Fein type blades is with the Allen screw which is fiddly and they always seem to come loose after a while.


@DB10 I think if I could have ignored brand bias and battery system proliferation I would have gone Milwaukee for the recipro, it seems to get the best review. I haven't used the Metabo recipro much, but it feels bulky and not especially powerful.

I'm curious about the Dewalt recipro  - it certainly does't look special. .. Let me know what you think of it if you get one.

Offline Jozsef Kozma

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After taking it of the shelf  for a feel at Toolnut I was surprised
how well it felt . Purchased it immidietly and after trying it out
I was impressed . It is way above what I expected for that price
but that goes for the framing and finishing gun also



@Kev  Sounds like there's some Yellow fever sweeping across the coast of Australia and taking a hold of Sydney.  [big grin]
 I managed to pick up a couple of the 1.5ah Dewalt batteries last Sunday at A,T.
I was lucky on the price, I got them for $39 each as they had actually gone back up to there original price of $79 by the time I popped in.
 I recall you mentioning before that you didn't rate the Metabo Recip saw, can't quite remember what you didn't like about it and as I think my next tool purchase will be a new Recip to replace my old Makita LXT which is on its last legs I was thinking Yep more yellow I'm afraid the Dewalt DCS38 7NXE, Compact Reciprocating. I like the idea of the compactness of this saw and have found in the past that the Makita is quite often too long in tight places plus I only now have 3ah 18v Makita batteries and thes Recip saws really do benefit form 5ah batteries.
  A note on the Dewalt multi tool, it doesn't really like the Fein style blades, the Dewalt as you know has the quick insert set up designed to use the cut away type blades and the only way to use the Fein type blades is with the Allen screw which is fiddly and they always seem to come loose after a while.


@DB10 I think if I could have ignored brand bias and battery system proliferation I would have gone Milwaukee for the recipro, it seems to get the best review. I haven't used the Metabo recipro much, but it feels bulky and not especially powerful.

I'm curious about the Dewalt recipro  - it certainly does't look special. .. Let me know what you think of it if you get one.

Offline JimD

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2016, 07:04 PM »
Good to hear the DeWalt cordless nailers work well.  I have a pretty complete set of Ryobi cordless tools including the brad nailer.  I've used it to install a bunch of trim in our house and been very satisfied.  It's a bit fussy about the angle you hold it but otherwise works great.  I've installed crown, base, and casing.  2 inch 18 gauge nails will do most trim work.  I tried it on the outer rows of hardwood flooring and that was a fail.  The nailer worked fine but the 18 gauge nails just wouldn't hold the hickory flooring. 

Ryobi cordless tools are all useful.  They are not equivalent to good corded tools but they work fine.  I use the circular saw, reciprocating saw and jigsaw.  I have the vibrating saw and it is OK.  I really like the drills.  I am on my 3rd and 4th of those.  One broke boring 2 1/8 holes in solid exterior doors and one wandered off while I had a contractor at the house.  So I bought two more.  I hardly use my corded drills, which happen to be DeWalt.

Offline Job and Knock

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2016, 03:30 PM »
Bought a DCN692 about 5 or 6 months back - once it was run in (and they need to drive 1000+ nails before they perform properly) it was a really good tool to use. It doesn't like cheap nails - but neither does the Senco GT90CH it displaced. The weight is a bit of an issue, but the fact that it can actually bump feed 90mm plain nails is astounding (despite the manual inferring that it can't be done). The trick is to listen to the motor and time your strikes by the motor note. Everyone who's tried it has been impressed, especially with stuff like the ease of clearing jams, etc and everyone has also commented that it would be better if it weighed a bit less  ::). I'm no Arnie but I don't find it a problem. Maybe having had two first generation 2nd fix nailers (18 ga and 16 ga straight) for 8 or 9 years meant that I wasn't automatically biased against the tool. One interesting aside is the ease with which the return springs and driver pin can be changed by the end user, on site, in 2 to 3 minutes - in comparison to the first generation 2nd fix (a 15 to 20 minute delve into the labarynthine innards of the machine - much longer the first time you do it) or Passlode/Senco/Hitachi-type gas pinners/nailers. Obviously designed by someone who'd asked all the right questions. Because there was so much BS being published on the net I even did my own review (elsewhere on the net)

Sufficiently impressed that I've now ordered a DCN660N 2nd fix gun and that's now winging its' way towards me (expected tomorrow or Wednesday). And yes, I think the standard DW tool boxes are pants - I'm going to be getting some nice Systainer T-Locs for mine in the near future

Anyone tried the DCN694 PPN yet?
« Last Edit: November 28, 2016, 03:39 PM by Job and Knock »
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Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2016, 05:56 PM »
....Sufficiently impressed that I've now ordered a DCN660N 2nd fix gun and that's now winging its' way towards me (expected tomorrow or Wednesday). And yes, I think the standard DW tool boxes are pants - I'm going to be getting some nice Systainer T-Locs for mine in the near future....

I've had the DCN660 for about 6 months of fairly light use, and I've been pretty happy with it.  One small thing I don't like is occasionally I've have a little trouble getting a jammed nail out because is can be tough to get a tool in between the nose and the striker to free a jammed nail.  It has good at setting nails, only problems have been with really hard wood.

I also own the DCN692 framing nailer for the same amount of time, but just haven't had the chance to give it much use. [embarassed]
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Offline Kev

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2016, 06:26 AM »
Anyone tried the DCN694 PPN yet?

@Job and Knock I will grab one as soon as they hit the shelves in Oz. I'm curious how the hole centring works in terms of speed and precision.

Offline Job and Knock

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2016, 02:47 PM »
Anyone tried the DCN694 PPN yet?
I'm curious how the hole centring works in terms of speed and precision.
Me too.  They've been on the market here for about 4 or 5 months, but I've yet to see one in the flesh. I could really have done with one earlier this year when we were doing masses of joist hangers, but at that time we couldn't find anyone who had them in stock so we just hand nailed  [eek]

My new DCN660 arrived today and went straight into use on some MDF ( [tongue]) skirtings. A great improvement on the faithfull old DC616 it's replacing
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Offline Lbob131

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2016, 09:18 AM »
This was a review  of the DCN 690....


It  has a switch on the side   that allows you to switch between  bump mode  and trigger  mode.
Why does the DCN 692  not have this feature  and why  is the manual  saying it  can't be done? Is the  DCN 692 model inferior   to  the DCN 690?
And is  bump  mode   really necessary  at all on a cordless nailer that has a limited  magazine  capacity?

I don't think  the bump mode  on air coil   nailer's  could ever be rivalled. You'll notice that "ultimate handyman"  displays  the bump  mode  near the end of the  video  and its  quite slow.




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Offline Job and Knock

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2016, 05:59 PM »
It  has a switch on the side   that allows you to switch between  bump mode  and trigger  mode.
Why does the DCN 692  not have this feature  and why  is the manual  saying it  can't be done? Is the  DCN 692 model inferior   to  the DCN 690?
The DCN692 certainly does have that feature:



The bump/sequential selector is the little button towards the rear upper part of the motor housing with the three nails logo on it

And is  bump  mode   really necessary  at all on a cordless nailer that has a limited  magazine  capacity?
It can be exceedingly useful to a professional carpenter, e.g. when nailing spruce flooring panels (we used two thicknesses of 18mm nailed at 100 or 150mm centres recently on one job with about 250 boards to go down - compressors are not permitted on a lot of jobs over here and there's no such thig as a gas/cordless drum nailer is there?)

I don't think  the bump mode  on air coil   nailer's  could ever be rivalled. You'll notice that "ultimate handyman"  displays  the bump  mode  near the end of the  video  and its  quite slow.
Probably not, but it's a moot point to many because many sites ban the use of compressors for nailing - or make it so awkward that it's not viable, believe me. The DCN692 is a dual speed tool whereas the DCN690 is single (slower) speed - in high speed mode it can and will bump faster than the DCN690.

As you've mentioned UHM, that's where I posted a (written) review of the DCN692 a few months back (mostly correct). It's here, if you are interested. Sorry, but I don't make videos.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2016, 06:03 PM by Job and Knock »
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Offline Lbob131

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2016, 06:13 PM »
I use a paslode framing nailer. Cheap  nasty nails cause the most problems  I find.
But gasless certainly does appeal. 

Bostitch  seem to have entered this market with  the BF33-2-U gasless   framing nailer.
Nails are  collated at 33 degrees  according to their website. Not much info anywhere  on it.
What do you think?
« Last Edit: December 02, 2016, 07:44 AM by Lbob131 »

Offline Job and Knock

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2016, 05:05 PM »
Bostitch is (and for many years has been) a Stanley subsidiary. deWalt is a Black & Decker subsidiary. The layout and placement of controls on that Bostitch gun seem nearly identical to the DW guns. I reckon it's like the "Stanley" cordless tools which have appeared in the sheds in the last few years - it's a rebadged and slightly restyled version of the DW guns. What's the betting that the batteries aren't compatible, though?
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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2016, 01:43 PM »
I've bad my two speed framer for a while now and I can't see myself ever going back to Paslodes.
Too noisy and unreliable.

Although I've not been on constant framing jobs I reckon Ive maybe put eight thousand nails through it and although it has jammed a few times its been dead easy to just undo the two front allen bolts slightly and let the pin back which allows the nail out.

Was nailing slatted fencing on a while ago and got somewhere like eight hundred 50mm nails in with one  charge.
Good enough for me.
Gas nailers are on the way out as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2017, 01:24 AM »
Bostitch/Dewalt/Porter-Cable, etc are all products of Stanley-Black & Decker company.
Bostitch and Dewalt are apparently the premium brands in the mix, with Porter-Cable marketed to the DIY market (save a few of the pre- Black & Decker days).

If Bostitch gets a tool, Dewalt seems to get it in yellow and slightly restyled.
 

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2017, 04:19 PM »
Excellent write-up on the framing nailer @Job and Knock . Thankee for that!
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