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Offline Kev

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I hate yellow tools .. that's just a personal gripe and long time bias. You can probably ignore this.

The black plastic Dewalt tool cases are rubbish .. that's a fact, I'm extremely spoilt when it comes to Festool (I also hate the case my Senco Fusion came in, but it's a far better quality case than the Dewalt).

Fit and finish wise, both guns feel mostly plastic. I actually doubt that Dewalt would make a tool in this class that would be extremely fragile, so let's just park that as an observation.

OK, now for the details. The tools are the Dewalt DCN692 two speed framing nailer and the DCN660 16 gauge finish nailer. Mine are the non US "18 volt" slide battery versions. In the US the exact same tools are called 20 volt MAX. The 18 volt slide battery tools and the 20 volt MAX tools are EXACTLY IDENTICAL APART FROM THE BADGES. I purchased these in a bundle with two 5Ah batteries, a charger, the "correct case" for the DCN692, but the DCN660 was in a cardboard box with just another junky case with a top tray that the DCN660 does quite fit in. A really strange bundle decision .. another regular case for the DCN660 would have been much smarter.

Speed, power and operation. Really, really, really good. I've wanted a cordless framing nailer for a while and was prepared to compromise a little as long as it drove the nails in properly. This nailer has heaps of power and the two speed option means that if you're just banging 50mm nails into pine, you drop a gear and extend your battery life. I believe an experienced framer that is very polished in their trade would probably find this nailer a bit slow compared to a serious pneumatic gun, but for me it'll never be too slow.

Depth adjustment on the framer is pretty good too, very tune-able. I didn't experience any jams in my short trial thus far, but it seems easy to clear .. and very easy to operate.

As it stands I'll give the framer a solid 4+ out of 5. I'll have a better idea though when I try a 90mm x 3.3mm spear into some cranky old hardwood!!

The little finish nailer is SWEET. Yes, it has the same plastic finish .. again, cosmetic and it's not what I'd take to a classy night club. The DCN692 is very light, I'm even tempted to get a couple of 2Ah batteries to pimp it a bit further. When it comes to speed I doubt if anyone could complain. If you tried to nail faster that this gun could recover I'd say you probably weren't in control of your work!

It's range is great too, good control of depth for 32mm to 63mm nails and no trouble driving them home.

I'd honestly give this finish nailer a 5 out of 5 if it wasn't yellow !! [wink]

Obviously this is an out of the box impression and it way stand, fade or improve (though my impression of the finish nailer has no latitude to improve really) as I use them more over time.

I honestly couldn't say if the DCN692 framing nailer could stand as a 100% replace tool for a professional framer, but I believe the finish nailer could for a trim guy.

Thus far Dewalt has surprised and impressed me on a gamble (it was an impulse buy based on a really good promotion). I wonder what other good Dewalt tools I've missed due to my bias against things that are yellow [embarassed]

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Offline RKA

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This is encouraging.  I wasn't sure if the current crop of battery powered nailers were worth consideration. My curiousity finally got the better of me and a red branded one is on the way.  I'm not getting rid of the air powered guns, but every now and again a quick fix it pops up and i hate dragging the compressor around the house.  I hope I'm equally impressed!
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Offline GhostFist

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I really liked my sending fusion until it but the first rather quickly. Plus the servo batteries are horrible. Looking for a solid 18g cordless

Offline HarveyWildes

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In general, batteries = freedom!  I never used a Dremel tool because they were just too much work to get out and plug in, but I now I have a cordless Milwaukee 12V that I use all the time.

But back to the subject.  I got a Ryobi crown stapler and 18 gauge brad nailer before the current crop of DeWalt and Milwaukee tools came out.  While I'm not a big fan of Ryobi, the tools do what I need them to do - but I don't need them to do much.  I rarely use them on projects, but I do use them to put jigs together quickly.  I've had them for just around a year now.  Maybe if they ever prove inadequate for what I use them for (or break), I'll replace them with something better.

Offline Kev

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I really liked my sending fusion until it but the first rather quickly. Plus the servo batteries are horrible. Looking for a solid 18g cordless

@GhostFist

I have a Senco Fusion brad gun, not sure that I love it any more. Plus you're right .. the batteries are iffy. In it's favour though it does look really cool [smile]

Offline GhostFist

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Do you feel these dewalts are better?

Offline Kev

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Do you feel these dewalts are better?

From my initial trial I think the finish nailer is a real gem .. ugly .. but a gem to use. I'd need to try the full range of nail sizes in a range of materials before I pronounce it better than sliced bread (and I won't get that opportunity for a little while), but it's one of those tools that just surprises you out of the box. The framing nailer is as good as I hoped it would be, but the finisher excels.

I wasn't joking about pimping it with a 2Ah battery either .. at least to see how long one would last and make it feel even lighter.

Offline DB10

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@Kev I don't think  you will be disappointed.  I've been using the single speed Dewalt Framing nailer now for about 2 years and it has been truly faultless, I've always used Paslode nails as they are easy to pick up, and the best thing about it is, not having to faff around with gas like on my old  Paslode nailer. I can quite easily go a few months without needing to use the nailer and I don't need to worry about the gas going out of date. It always fires nails straight out of the box. The Dewalt batteries seem a bit on the slow side to charge up but I must add they do hold there charge really well once fully charged.

  I picked up the 16g Finishing nailer at the beguining of the year, it seemed to take forever to be released here in Aus but was well worth the wait and this has also been faultless, Dewalt was offering a free cordless multi tool via redemption at the time, I've been very impressed with their Multitool, especially the trigger / paddle soft start as this is something I wouldn't have bought myself. Like it so much that I've hardly used my Fein since the Dewalt cordless Multitool's arrival.

Offline Kev

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@Kev I don't think  you will be disappointed.  I've been using the single speed Dewalt Framing nailer now for about 2 years and it has been truly faultless, I've always used Paslode nails as they are easy to pick up, and the best thing about it is, not having to faff around with gas like on my old  Paslode nailer. I can quite easily go a few months without needing to use the nailer and I don't need to worry about the gas going out of date. It always fires nails straight out of the box. The Dewalt batteries seem a bit on the slow side to charge up but I must add they do hold there charge really well once fully charged.

  I picked up the 16g Finishing nailer at the beguining of the year, it seemed to take forever to be released here in Aus but was well worth the wait and this has also been faultless, Dewalt was offering a free cordless multi tool via redemption at the time, I've been very impressed with their Multitool, especially the trigger / paddle soft start as this is something I wouldn't have bought myself. Like it so much that I've hardly used my Fein since the Dewalt cordless Multitool's arrival.

@DB10

I did a random stock up of Paslode nails for the framer and managed to hunt about and find good supply of the Dewalt finish nails. What brand are you using in the finisher?

Have you gone 2Ah for the finisher? It's said you'll still send home close to a 1000 nails with a full 2Ah (which seems kinda amazing).

Offline DB10

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@Kev I don't think  you will be disappointed.  I've been using the single speed Dewalt Framing nailer now for about 2 years and it has been truly faultless, I've always used Paslode nails as they are easy to pick up, and the best thing about it is, not having to faff around with gas like on my old  Paslode nailer. I can quite easily go a few months without needing to use the nailer and I don't need to worry about the gas going out of date. It always fires nails straight out of the box. The Dewalt batteries seem a bit on the slow side to charge up but I must add they do hold there charge really well once fully charged.

  I picked up the 16g Finishing nailer at the beguining of the year, it seemed to take forever to be released here in Aus but was well worth the wait and this has also been faultless, Dewalt was offering a free cordless multi tool via redemption at the time, I've been very impressed with their Multitool, especially the trigger / paddle soft start as this is something I wouldn't have bought myself. Like it so much that I've hardly used my Fein since the Dewalt cordless Multitool's arrival.

@DB10

I did a random stock up of Paslode nails for the framer and managed to hunt about and find good supply of the Dewalt finish nails. What brand are you using in the finisher?

Have you gone 2Ah for the finisher? It's said you'll still send home close to a 1000 nails with a full 2Ah (which seems kinda amazing).

@Kev I struggled to find Dewalt nails for the finisher, I eventually picked up some 50mm Dewalt nails but I've had no problems getting Senco nails and have been using 32 & 38mm which work fine.
 A  2ah battery is a good idea for the finisher not only will it reduce the weight but also the size. I've got an 18g Ryobi nailer that I've only ever run with an 1.5ah battery as it's the only 18v Ryobi battery that I have and this lasts for ages.
Have you noticed that you can't push the battery charge level button on the battery when it's connected to the nailer.

Offline Kev

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Have you noticed that you can't push the battery charge level button on the battery when it's connected to the nailer.

@DB10

No, haven't tried .. will tomorrow [wink]

The charge rate on the one that comes with the kit is pox! In checking - they have an even slower charger and the 2 battery charger that's probably no faster that the one we have.




Offline blaszcsj

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@Kev Thanks for the review on the finisher. I have the 20V Max framing nailer. I have framed out a basement now and about 400 feet of farm style plank fencing. I have driven 3"-3.5" paslode nails no problem and at the rate I was firing them the battery lasted all day in the basement build. No jams or high head issues. When I was doing the fence the only time i had an issue when I was bump firing like a mad hatter and the battery/electronics got warm. I reset it and was off killing boards again in no time. I did have to change out batteries when i was using the 4Ah battery vs the 5Ah. I will agree with you review above and found it easily 4.5/5 stars. This gun was really the main reason in my continued investment in the dewalt line up in the first place.

Now I just need to look at picking up the finisher!
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Offline Brice Burrell

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I'm tempted by the framer.  Anyone have the 7 1/4" cordless miter saw?
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Offline joiner1970

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Kev , is it the same as this set they've just released here in the UK.

http://www.dm-tools.co.uk/product.php/sn/DEWDCK264P2#.VzuY2CPTXqA

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Offline Kev

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Kev , is it the same as this set they've just released here in the UK.

http://www.dm-tools.co.uk/product.php/sn/DEWDCK264P2#.VzuY2CPTXqA

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@joiner1970 yep .. though "fast" charger is a little comical !

Offline DB10

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I'm tempted by the framer.  Anyone have the 7 1/4" cordless miter saw?

 I wanted one but Dewalt was so slow in releasing it down here I gave up & went for the Cordless Metabo miter saw, glad I did as the Metabo is 8 1/2"

Offline Kev

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I'm tempted by the framer.  Anyone have the 7 1/4" cordless miter saw?

 I wanted one but Dewalt was so slow in releasing it down here I gave up & went for the Cordless Metabo miter saw, glad I did as the Metabo is 8 1/2"

Praise to this little Metabo! and it goes forever with a 6.2 LiHD battery too!

Offline Kev

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My DCN692 Finish Nailer now has 2.0Ah batteries. To be honest the immediate weight difference isn't astounding, but I do know that shaving a little weight off a tool that you use for an extended period can make a difference!

For a little more than the price of two 2.0Ah batteries I got a BL drill, charger, case and two batteries. Heck knows what I'm going to do with a Dewalt drill [embarassed]

I could have just picked up two batteries cheap on Ebay, but I tend to be a little suspicious if I don't know the seller.

Offline GhostFist

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Anyone have a chance to play with the new grex cordless 18g? It uses fuel cells they claim have no expiration date and runs off of 2 AA batteries good for 50 000 shots. All metal construction smallest and lightest on the market

Offline VW MICK

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Well @Kev I have ordered one for a guy at work I'm interested to see what it's like. As I need something like this too

I think you have started something here

Offline DB10

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My DCN692 Finish Nailer now has 2.0Ah batteries. To be honest the immediate weight difference isn't astounding, but I do know that shaving a little weight off a tool that you use for an extended period can make a difference!

For a little more than the price of two 2.0Ah batteries I got a BL drill, charger, case and two batteries. Heck knows what I'm going to do with a Dewalt drill [embarassed]

I could have just picked up two batteries cheap on Ebay, but I tend to be a little suspicious if I don't know the seller.

@Kev  It sounds like you've nailed it!   [embarassed]. Sorry.
The second charger will no doubt come in handy.  Where was the best deal for two 2ah batteries in a kit, not that I need another drill but like you say, it's cheaper some times to buy in kit form.

Offline Kev

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@Kev  It sounds like you've nailed it!   [embarassed]. Sorry.
The second charger will no doubt come in handy.  Where was the best deal for two 2ah batteries in a kit, not that I need another drill but like you say, it's cheaper some times to buy in kit form.

@DB10 https://sydneytools.com.au/dewalt-dcd795d2-xe-18v-2-0ah-xr-li-ion-brushless-cordless-hammer-drill-driver-kit .. didn't see this available at get tools direct, just tools or adelaide tools ...

$269  [smile]

The charger with this kit is probably even slower !! But it will deffo charge a 2.0Ah faster than you're likely to empty a 2.0 Ah with the finish nailer ... I suppose I've just issued you a challenge to whack 800 finish nails in less than an hour - doable I guess if you're organised.

Offline DB10

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@Kev  It sounds like you've nailed it!   [embarassed]. Sorry.
The second charger will no doubt come in handy.  Where was the best deal for two 2ah batteries in a kit, not that I need another drill but like you say, it's cheaper some times to buy in kit form.

@DB10 https://sydneytools.com.au/dewalt-dcd795d2-xe-18v-2-0ah-xr-li-ion-brushless-cordless-hammer-drill-driver-kit .. didn't see this available at get tools direct, just tools or adelaide tools ...

$269  [smile]

The charger with this kit is probably even slower !! But it will deffo charge a 2.0Ah faster than you're likely to empty a 2.0 Ah with the finish nailer ... I suppose I've just issued you a challenge to whack 800 finish nails in less than an hour - doable I guess if you're organised.

  @Kev  Maybe if I was 20 years younger!  [big grin]
 Sydney Fools kill me on postage, I only buy from them when it's free freight or I'm desperate,  just had a thought. Three months ago I noticed that Adelaide tools were selling 18v 1.5ah batteries for $39 and I was going to pick one up for the multitool but never got round to it, I've checked and they are still selling them and as I'll be in the city at the weekend think I'll get one and test it out on the Finsher.

Offline Kev

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@Kev  Maybe if I was 20 years younger!  [big grin]
Sydney Fools kill me on postage, I only buy from them when it's free freight or I'm desperate,  just had a thought. Three months ago I noticed that Adelaide tools were selling 18v 1.5ah batteries for $39 and I was going to pick one up for the multitool but never got round to it, I've checked and they are still selling them and as I'll be in the city at the weekend think I'll get one and test it out on the Finsher.

@DB10 I don't love those guys either! Mostly cowboys .. the chap that served me last time was a surprise though, nice fella!

I was borderline on a kit that came with two 1.5Ah batteries and 2 tools for $249. Raw math would say that's still enough oomph for 500+ bangs in the finisher!

https://sydneytools.com.au/dewalt-dck280c2-xe-18v-1-5ah-xr-li-ion-2pce-cordless-combo-kit

Plus now I'll probably go and get yet another battery so I don't feel bad giving my son a tool and a charger without a battery [sad]

Ask Adelaide Tools if they have the same kit and price. As far as the bulk brands go I think they're the nicest guys to deal with in the country. I would have got the nailers from them if they hadn't been sitting on the floor at Sydney Tools for the same price plus bonus packs of finish nails.

I've been tempted to get this from Adelaide Tools ...https://adelaidetools.com.au/metabo-18v-cordless-hex-impact-driver-kit-ssd18ltx-kit1.html

The battery and the charger cost that much and the tool and case is effectively free ... yeh, another tool I don't need and a battery less tool I can give to my son [embarassed]

Offline DB10

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@Kev  Maybe if I was 20 years younger!  [big grin]
Sydney Fools kill me on postage, I only buy from them when it's free freight or I'm desperate,  just had a thought. Three months ago I noticed that Adelaide tools were selling 18v 1.5ah batteries for $39 and I was going to pick one up for the multitool but never got round to it, I've checked and they are still selling them and as I'll be in the city at the weekend think I'll get one and test it out on the Finsher.

@DB10 I don't love those guys either! Mostly cowboys .. the chap that served me last time was a surprise though, nice fella!

I was borderline on a kit that came with two 1.5Ah batteries and 2 tools for $249. Raw math would say that's still enough oomph for 500+ bangs in the finisher!

https://sydneytools.com.au/dewalt-dck280c2-xe-18v-1-5ah-xr-li-ion-2pce-cordless-combo-kit

Plus now I'll probably go and get yet another battery so I don't feel bad giving my son a tool and a charger without a battery [sad]

Ask Adelaide Tools if they have the same kit and price. As far as the bulk brands go I think they're the nicest guys to deal with in the country. I would have got the nailers from them if they hadn't been sitting on the floor at Sydney Tools for the same price plus bonus packs of finish nails.

I've been tempted to get this from Adelaide Tools ...https://adelaidetools.com.au/metabo-18v-cordless-hex-impact-driver-kit-ssd18ltx-kit1.html

The battery and the charger cost that much and the tool and case is effectively free ... yeh, another tool I don't need and a battery less tool I can give to my son [embarassed]
@Kev  That Metabo deal with a 6.2 Li HD is very sweet, I've got more impact drivers than arms though, I'll be having a good mooch around down there at the weekend. There a good bunch and I do try to always put my business there way if I can.
 I did notice on their web site that a lot of the Metabo cordless tools have gone up in price, three tools I purchased in the last year have all gone up by at least $20.

Offline Brice Burrell

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I've ordered the framing nailer.  Maybe you should get a commission fee from DeWalt Kev. [big grin]
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Offline Kev

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I've ordered the framing nailer.  Maybe you should get a commission fee from DeWalt Kev. [big grin]

@Brice Burrell

I'll get my agent onto it [big grin]

Offline SMJoinery

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I have both guns and they have been in use for a few months now.
The finishing nailer is great. I had the previous model which was heavy but did well over the 5 years I had it. The new one is lighter and easier to handle especially with the 2ah battery. We only use the 5ah battery whilst the 2 is charging.
The framing nailer has some quirks for me. It jams after around 3 strips of nails if it's not dealt nails especially cheaper brands. When you remove the front assembly (2 Allan bolts) the pin receiver is gummed up with the paper strip. It doesn't seem to do it with the dewalt nails but I've only got them in 90mm. Every other brand I've tried sticks after 3-4 strips.
We did a fence this week and fixed 40mm treated timber to 100mm posts with 90mm nails and anywhere near a knot and its leaving a proud head and I mean anywhere near not directly at the knot!...given its all white wood it's was hard to avoid.
I haven't tried it in hardwoods, probably never will as most stuff we do I prefer to screw.
The gun is great though for fencing slats, chipboard flooring etc.
It's definitely not the best nailer I've had but I prefer it with no gas.
Scott

Offline redbirdone

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I really wish Bosch would step up their game in the cordless nailer market.  They came out with a finish nailer a few years ago but it was a dud, discontinued now.  I've got a bunch of their 18v Lion tools and batteries, and have been very pleased with everything.  But they are lacking in this area. 

I'm at the point where I'm thinking of selling off the Bosch 18v collection while it still has some value, and taking either the yellow Dewalt or red Milwaukee path for my cordless tools.  C'mon Bosch...you can do it!

Offline Kev

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I actually think I may have made a mistake taking on Metabo as my supplemental brand to Festool .. Dewalt nailers seem pretty good, I recently got a drill package that was close to the price of two 2.0Ah batteries (I wanted the 2 x 2.0Ah's for the finish nailer) and the little brushless drill seems quite good. I just snagged an Ebay bargain of a Dewalt cordless multitool with 2 x 2.0Ah's, charger, case, accessories (I was considering a Fein cordless multi, but @DB10 said he liked the Dewalt multi, so I've up for a gamble - plus I've got a Vecturo, corded Fein and a rubbish cordless Dremel multitools a;ready).

I really like my Metabo cordless and brushless 400Nm impact wrench, angle grinders and SCMS. Their 6.2Ah LiHD batteries are awesome, but the Dewalt range (In horrible, hideous, disgusting, manky, putrid YELLOW) could actually have been a better match for my needs [sad]

The Metabo recipro is very average and their fastening options are virtually non existent.

Offline redbirdone

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I'm in the same boat.  Chose Bosch's 18v lineup but now rethinking it.  Not a yellow fan, but their 20v lineup is pretty stout, as is the red 18v one. 

Have used a few Metabo tools in my time and was always impressed but they were not mine and were not a part of a collection, if that makes sense.  I don't think Metabo is willing to invest the dollars to try and take away market share from the big 4 (Dewalt, Milwaukee, Bosch and Makita) in the cordless tools market.  Problem is that more and more people are viewing cordless purchases as part of a "system" and they may need to just pull out of cordless entirely. They make great tools though. 

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Offline DB10

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I actually think I may have made a mistake taking on Metabo as my supplemental brand to Festool .. Dewalt nailers seem pretty good, I recently got a drill package that was close to the price of two 2.0Ah batteries (I wanted the 2 x 2.0Ah's for the finish nailer) and the little brushless drill seems quite good. I just snagged an Ebay bargain of a Dewalt cordless multitool with 2 x 2.0Ah's, charger, case, accessories (I was considering a Fein cordless multi, but @DB10 said he liked the Dewalt multi, so I've up for a gamble - plus I've got a Vecturo, corded Fein and a rubbish cordless Dremel multitools a;ready).

I really like my Metabo cordless and brushless 400Nm impact wrench, angle grinders and SCMS. Their 6.2Ah LiHD batteries are awesome, but the Dewalt range (In horrible, hideous, disgusting, manky, putrid YELLOW) could actually have been a better match for my needs [sad]

The Metabo recipro is very average and their fastening options are virtually non existent.

@Kev  Sounds like there's some Yellow fever sweeping across the coast of Australia and taking a hold of Sydney.  [big grin]
 I managed to pick up a couple of the 1.5ah Dewalt batteries last Sunday at A,T.
I was lucky on the price, I got them for $39 each as they had actually gone back up to there original price of $79 by the time I popped in.
 I recall you mentioning before that you didn't rate the Metabo Recip saw, can't quite remember what you didn't like about it and as I think my next tool purchase will be a new Recip to replace my old Makita LXT which is on its last legs I was thinking Yep more yellow I'm afraid the Dewalt DCS38 7NXE, Compact Reciprocating. I like the idea of the compactness of this saw and have found in the past that the Makita is quite often too long in tight places plus I only now have 3ah 18v Makita batteries and thes Recip saws really do benefit form 5ah batteries.
  A note on the Dewalt multi tool, it doesn't really like the Fein style blades, the Dewalt as you know has the quick insert set up designed to use the cut away type blades and the only way to use the Fein type blades is with the Allen screw which is fiddly and they always seem to come loose after a while.

 @redbirdone Not sure if you know but Milwaukee have a new range of cordless nailers that have been released in the US, not yet been released down under to the best of my knowledge, try searching Toolguyd if your interested, It's early days and the reviews are a bit mixed, This is an area where I believe Milwaukee should have been ahead of the big four when it comes to cordless nailers seeing as their parent company is part of Ryobi which have been producing cordless nailers albeit, more so for the DIY market, never the less good cordless nailers for the last three years.

Offline demographic

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I just got the two speed framing nailer this week. Only put sixty or so  nails through it so far.

Its heavier than the Paslodes and Hitachis and Makita I've used so far.
The bump mode is great and I reckon I'll just leave it on that as I have the option of modulating its use with the trigger anyway.
Comes with a no mar tip which is a bonus over most others Ive seen where its an optional extra.
Can't comment on reliability yet obviously but as the gas is half the problem with the others I'm guessing its GOT to be better.
Much quieter than the gas ones, my ears will thank me for this purchase.

Would like a second fix (finishing to some of you) gun but asa subcontractor the only second fix nails we get on site are the straight ones I'll keep using my Hitachi till De-Walt make one that fires the sixteen gauge straight nails.

No way I want to be supplying nails on sites.
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I've got the framer and though I don't use it professionally, I have had the two speed for about a year and a half and love it. I had my first jam over this past winter and clearing it was actually pretty simple. The bump mode works great for me. I just purchased the DCN660 from Murdochs for $279.99 shipped but have not received it yet. It is supposed to be here on Thursday but I am eagerly anticipating its arrival. Thus far my Dewalt tools are few but I am really liking each one. I've got the framer and a brushless drywall gun and even picked up the 20v hedge trimmer. The framer is proving to be a valuable tool for me and will be getting put through some paces over the next month as I set out to build a pergola and a gate and fence. 
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I'm tempted by the framer.  Anyone have the 7 1/4" cordless miter saw?

 @Brice, I had the cordless miter saw. Not enough speed which of course it only runs on 1 - 20v battery. I bought it for a project on the 4th floor with no elevator. It did fine cutting thermo foiled pine crown, battery lasted all day. If they came out with one that used 2 batteries like the Makita that would be great.

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@Kev  Sounds like there's some Yellow fever sweeping across the coast of Australia and taking a hold of Sydney.  [big grin]
 I managed to pick up a couple of the 1.5ah Dewalt batteries last Sunday at A,T.
I was lucky on the price, I got them for $39 each as they had actually gone back up to there original price of $79 by the time I popped in.
 I recall you mentioning before that you didn't rate the Metabo Recip saw, can't quite remember what you didn't like about it and as I think my next tool purchase will be a new Recip to replace my old Makita LXT which is on its last legs I was thinking Yep more yellow I'm afraid the Dewalt DCS38 7NXE, Compact Reciprocating. I like the idea of the compactness of this saw and have found in the past that the Makita is quite often too long in tight places plus I only now have 3ah 18v Makita batteries and thes Recip saws really do benefit form 5ah batteries.
  A note on the Dewalt multi tool, it doesn't really like the Fein style blades, the Dewalt as you know has the quick insert set up designed to use the cut away type blades and the only way to use the Fein type blades is with the Allen screw which is fiddly and they always seem to come loose after a while.


@DB10 I think if I could have ignored brand bias and battery system proliferation I would have gone Milwaukee for the recipro, it seems to get the best review. I haven't used the Metabo recipro much, but it feels bulky and not especially powerful.

I'm curious about the Dewalt recipro  - it certainly does't look special. .. Let me know what you think of it if you get one.

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After taking it of the shelf  for a feel at Toolnut I was surprised
how well it felt . Purchased it immidietly and after trying it out
I was impressed . It is way above what I expected for that price
but that goes for the framing and finishing gun also



@Kev  Sounds like there's some Yellow fever sweeping across the coast of Australia and taking a hold of Sydney.  [big grin]
 I managed to pick up a couple of the 1.5ah Dewalt batteries last Sunday at A,T.
I was lucky on the price, I got them for $39 each as they had actually gone back up to there original price of $79 by the time I popped in.
 I recall you mentioning before that you didn't rate the Metabo Recip saw, can't quite remember what you didn't like about it and as I think my next tool purchase will be a new Recip to replace my old Makita LXT which is on its last legs I was thinking Yep more yellow I'm afraid the Dewalt DCS38 7NXE, Compact Reciprocating. I like the idea of the compactness of this saw and have found in the past that the Makita is quite often too long in tight places plus I only now have 3ah 18v Makita batteries and thes Recip saws really do benefit form 5ah batteries.
  A note on the Dewalt multi tool, it doesn't really like the Fein style blades, the Dewalt as you know has the quick insert set up designed to use the cut away type blades and the only way to use the Fein type blades is with the Allen screw which is fiddly and they always seem to come loose after a while.


@DB10 I think if I could have ignored brand bias and battery system proliferation I would have gone Milwaukee for the recipro, it seems to get the best review. I haven't used the Metabo recipro much, but it feels bulky and not especially powerful.

I'm curious about the Dewalt recipro  - it certainly does't look special. .. Let me know what you think of it if you get one.

Offline JimD

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2016, 07:04 PM »
Good to hear the DeWalt cordless nailers work well.  I have a pretty complete set of Ryobi cordless tools including the brad nailer.  I've used it to install a bunch of trim in our house and been very satisfied.  It's a bit fussy about the angle you hold it but otherwise works great.  I've installed crown, base, and casing.  2 inch 18 gauge nails will do most trim work.  I tried it on the outer rows of hardwood flooring and that was a fail.  The nailer worked fine but the 18 gauge nails just wouldn't hold the hickory flooring. 

Ryobi cordless tools are all useful.  They are not equivalent to good corded tools but they work fine.  I use the circular saw, reciprocating saw and jigsaw.  I have the vibrating saw and it is OK.  I really like the drills.  I am on my 3rd and 4th of those.  One broke boring 2 1/8 holes in solid exterior doors and one wandered off while I had a contractor at the house.  So I bought two more.  I hardly use my corded drills, which happen to be DeWalt.

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2016, 03:30 PM »
Bought a DCN692 about 5 or 6 months back - once it was run in (and they need to drive 1000+ nails before they perform properly) it was a really good tool to use. It doesn't like cheap nails - but neither does the Senco GT90CH it displaced. The weight is a bit of an issue, but the fact that it can actually bump feed 90mm plain nails is astounding (despite the manual inferring that it can't be done). The trick is to listen to the motor and time your strikes by the motor note. Everyone who's tried it has been impressed, especially with stuff like the ease of clearing jams, etc and everyone has also commented that it would be better if it weighed a bit less  ::). I'm no Arnie but I don't find it a problem. Maybe having had two first generation 2nd fix nailers (18 ga and 16 ga straight) for 8 or 9 years meant that I wasn't automatically biased against the tool. One interesting aside is the ease with which the return springs and driver pin can be changed by the end user, on site, in 2 to 3 minutes - in comparison to the first generation 2nd fix (a 15 to 20 minute delve into the labarynthine innards of the machine - much longer the first time you do it) or Passlode/Senco/Hitachi-type gas pinners/nailers. Obviously designed by someone who'd asked all the right questions. Because there was so much BS being published on the net I even did my own review (elsewhere on the net)

Sufficiently impressed that I've now ordered a DCN660N 2nd fix gun and that's now winging its' way towards me (expected tomorrow or Wednesday). And yes, I think the standard DW tool boxes are pants - I'm going to be getting some nice Systainer T-Locs for mine in the near future

Anyone tried the DCN694 PPN yet?
« Last Edit: November 28, 2016, 03:39 PM by Job and Knock »
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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2016, 05:56 PM »
....Sufficiently impressed that I've now ordered a DCN660N 2nd fix gun and that's now winging its' way towards me (expected tomorrow or Wednesday). And yes, I think the standard DW tool boxes are pants - I'm going to be getting some nice Systainer T-Locs for mine in the near future....

I've had the DCN660 for about 6 months of fairly light use, and I've been pretty happy with it.  One small thing I don't like is occasionally I've have a little trouble getting a jammed nail out because is can be tough to get a tool in between the nose and the striker to free a jammed nail.  It has good at setting nails, only problems have been with really hard wood.

I also own the DCN692 framing nailer for the same amount of time, but just haven't had the chance to give it much use. [embarassed]
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Offline Kev

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2016, 06:26 AM »
Anyone tried the DCN694 PPN yet?

@Job and Knock I will grab one as soon as they hit the shelves in Oz. I'm curious how the hole centring works in terms of speed and precision.

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2016, 02:47 PM »
Anyone tried the DCN694 PPN yet?
I'm curious how the hole centring works in terms of speed and precision.
Me too.  They've been on the market here for about 4 or 5 months, but I've yet to see one in the flesh. I could really have done with one earlier this year when we were doing masses of joist hangers, but at that time we couldn't find anyone who had them in stock so we just hand nailed  [eek]

My new DCN660 arrived today and went straight into use on some MDF ( [tongue]) skirtings. A great improvement on the faithfull old DC616 it's replacing
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Offline Lbob131

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2016, 09:18 AM »
This was a review  of the DCN 690....


It  has a switch on the side   that allows you to switch between  bump mode  and trigger  mode.
Why does the DCN 692  not have this feature  and why  is the manual  saying it  can't be done? Is the  DCN 692 model inferior   to  the DCN 690?
And is  bump  mode   really necessary  at all on a cordless nailer that has a limited  magazine  capacity?

I don't think  the bump mode  on air coil   nailer's  could ever be rivalled. You'll notice that "ultimate handyman"  displays  the bump  mode  near the end of the  video  and its  quite slow.




« Last Edit: December 01, 2016, 01:32 PM by Lbob131 »

Offline Job and Knock

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2016, 05:59 PM »
It  has a switch on the side   that allows you to switch between  bump mode  and trigger  mode.
Why does the DCN 692  not have this feature  and why  is the manual  saying it  can't be done? Is the  DCN 692 model inferior   to  the DCN 690?
The DCN692 certainly does have that feature:



The bump/sequential selector is the little button towards the rear upper part of the motor housing with the three nails logo on it

And is  bump  mode   really necessary  at all on a cordless nailer that has a limited  magazine  capacity?
It can be exceedingly useful to a professional carpenter, e.g. when nailing spruce flooring panels (we used two thicknesses of 18mm nailed at 100 or 150mm centres recently on one job with about 250 boards to go down - compressors are not permitted on a lot of jobs over here and there's no such thig as a gas/cordless drum nailer is there?)

I don't think  the bump mode  on air coil   nailer's  could ever be rivalled. You'll notice that "ultimate handyman"  displays  the bump  mode  near the end of the  video  and its  quite slow.
Probably not, but it's a moot point to many because many sites ban the use of compressors for nailing - or make it so awkward that it's not viable, believe me. The DCN692 is a dual speed tool whereas the DCN690 is single (slower) speed - in high speed mode it can and will bump faster than the DCN690.

As you've mentioned UHM, that's where I posted a (written) review of the DCN692 a few months back (mostly correct). It's here, if you are interested. Sorry, but I don't make videos.
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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2016, 06:13 PM »
I use a paslode framing nailer. Cheap  nasty nails cause the most problems  I find.
But gasless certainly does appeal. 

Bostitch  seem to have entered this market with  the BF33-2-U gasless   framing nailer.
Nails are  collated at 33 degrees  according to their website. Not much info anywhere  on it.
What do you think?
« Last Edit: December 02, 2016, 07:44 AM by Lbob131 »

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2016, 05:05 PM »
Bostitch is (and for many years has been) a Stanley subsidiary. deWalt is a Black & Decker subsidiary. The layout and placement of controls on that Bostitch gun seem nearly identical to the DW guns. I reckon it's like the "Stanley" cordless tools which have appeared in the sheds in the last few years - it's a rebadged and slightly restyled version of the DW guns. What's the betting that the batteries aren't compatible, though?
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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2016, 01:43 PM »
I've bad my two speed framer for a while now and I can't see myself ever going back to Paslodes.
Too noisy and unreliable.

Although I've not been on constant framing jobs I reckon Ive maybe put eight thousand nails through it and although it has jammed a few times its been dead easy to just undo the two front allen bolts slightly and let the pin back which allows the nail out.

Was nailing slatted fencing on a while ago and got somewhere like eight hundred 50mm nails in with one  charge.
Good enough for me.
Gas nailers are on the way out as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2017, 01:24 AM »
Bostitch/Dewalt/Porter-Cable, etc are all products of Stanley-Black & Decker company.
Bostitch and Dewalt are apparently the premium brands in the mix, with Porter-Cable marketed to the DIY market (save a few of the pre- Black & Decker days).

If Bostitch gets a tool, Dewalt seems to get it in yellow and slightly restyled.
 

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Re: Initial impressions Dewalt Cordless Nailers (Framing & Finishing)
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2017, 04:19 PM »
Excellent write-up on the framing nailer @Job and Knock . Thankee for that!
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