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Offline Dane

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2010, 09:44 AM »
I'm not sure why this has not been pointed out before.  But "Kosta" is Dino.  Dino got banned a few years ago and shortly thereafter, "Kosta" appeared to interject the EZ talking points in any discussion that he could.  That is, unless some other internet personality with the exact same non-native English speaker idiosyncrasies as Dino just happens to be milling about the FOG acting as Eurekazone's spokesman.

This thread has gone on long enough in my mind. Dino, sorry "Kosta", is getting exactly what he wants by dragging it out and re-posting his video and getting as many hits to his videos and website as he can.  FOG members need to stop engaging and giving him free publicity.

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2010, 10:05 AM »
If this is another unsafe video, the guy in the camera must be out of his mind to stay in front of the cut pieces while the blade is spinning.
Or, he must tested the setup many times before he take the video???

This video was also removed for the same reasons.  I don't consider placing your finger under the base of a circular saw while it's running to be safe.  Please consider this a request not to post any more videos on this forum showing unsafe practices.  Thank you.

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2010, 10:18 AM »
Also,anyone noticed how the trigger switch is taped ?   Call that safe?????

I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2010, 11:02 AM »
I'm not sure why this has not been pointed out before.  But "Kosta" is Dino.  Dino got banned a few years ago and shortly thereafter, "Kosta" appeared to interject the EZ talking points in any discussion that he could.  That is, unless some other internet personality with the exact same non-native English speaker idiosyncrasies as Dino just happens to be milling about the FOG acting as Eurekazone's spokesman.

This thread has gone on long enough in my mind. Dino, sorry "Kosta", is getting exactly what he wants by dragging it out and re-posting his video and getting as many hits to his videos and website as he can.  FOG members need to stop engaging and giving him free publicity.

Dane, I've suspected that for some time now. 


Sawstop it would appear is not a direct competitor with Festool . while Eurekazone is selling a similar product, products. Would you want your competition
advertising on your companies web site or Forum?


I think some of the newer guys here might understand why these threads end up getting us into trouble and/or get have gotten deleted in the past.  If we were talking about honest curiosity of a legit member it would be fine, blatant promotion by a competitor is another matter altogether.
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Offline Jay Knoll

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2010, 11:11 AM »
Boy am I sick of the Eureka stuff.  I used to enjoy Saw Mill Creek until the Festool Eureka wars seems to rage daily, I stopped posting years ago and very very rarely visit. 

And now he's back flogging his stuff here?

I vote "block"

Jay

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2010, 03:41 PM »
I'm not sure why this has not been pointed out before.  But "Kosta" is Dino.  Dino got banned a few years ago and shortly thereafter, "Kosta" appeared to interject the EZ talking points in any discussion that he could.  That is, unless some other internet personality with the exact same non-native English speaker idiosyncrasies as Dino just happens to be milling about the FOG acting as Eurekazone's spokesman.

This thread has gone on long enough in my mind. Dino, sorry "Kosta", is getting exactly what he wants by dragging it out and re-posting his video and getting as many hits to his videos and website as he can.  FOG members need to stop engaging and giving him free publicity.

He could get 10,000 hits I would not buy anything off them based on the casual disregard for safety and haphazard and dangerous way the tools are demo'd
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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2010, 05:19 PM »
Could someone please PM me a link to the "interesting video" so that I could watch it & see what all of the discussion is about?  I am over 21 and have taught 100's of industrial safety classes.

EDIT: Thanks, That's just plain sick.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2010, 06:11 PM by RonWen »

Offline Mike B

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2010, 09:33 PM »
Please consider this a request not to post any more videos on this forum showing unsafe practices.  Thank you.

Shane, mate....

I'm sorry, you normally do a good job of moderating but frankly, your attitude to "unsafe" video's is naive at best, self-serving at worst. I'm more than a little alarmed that you think the members of this forum are unable to watch and learn from both safe and unsafe practices. How are people to learn if they cannot observe the right and wrong ways to complete a task. You are on a slippery slope of inconsistent moderation.

I'm not sure any educator worth their salt could get away with teaching people the correct way to do something without demonstrating/warning about the wrong ways as well. Why should this forum be any different? Woodworking is a practical undertaking and this is a practical forum. All demonstrations have their merit and are to be learned from, surely that a major part of why people use this forum? If anything these videos may often serve to demonstrate how Festool products can offer a safer way to complete the same job.

With regards to these particular videos, it seems to me there are some political issues with regards to the source and brands involved as well (certainly for some posters on this thread). However, if that's the case, just some out and admit it. I am more concerned with your desire for us to never post "unsafe" videos ever again. Perhaps you could just label the link as "unsafe" as a clear warning in future.

Sorry for the rant, I just really feel you've made a poor decision here.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2010, 09:40 PM by Mike B »

Offline Brice Burrell

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2010, 10:53 PM »
Mike, I'm afraid you don't understand the issues involved here.  First, your being from Australia you don't understand the litigious nature of so many people in the US.  For this reason Festool has to be cautious in what is allowed to be shown here.  It is all too easy to be critical when you have nothing to lose.  Second, original poster is the owner of a competing company posting under an alias to promote his products on Festool's forum. That is out of line, way out of line.  I think this whole thread should be deleted.   
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Offline Corwin

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2010, 12:14 AM »
...  I think this whole thread should be deleted.   

I have to agree.
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Offline fshanno

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2010, 12:24 AM »
I'd like to see the video too if anyone is willing to send me the link.

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Offline Mike B

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2010, 05:59 AM »
I'm afraid you don't understand the issues involved here.  First, your being from Australia you don't understand the litigious nature of so many people in the US. 

Thanks Brice, but I understand fully.

Unfortunately, liability does not apply to posts on a forum made by a third party. These are not videos of hate-crimes, defamatory accusation, promoting vilification or acts of terror. These are just videos of people doing stupid/dangerous things. I dare say a good portion of the reality-based TV industry of the US is based on activities of that nature; from Mythbusters to most of MTV's output. A simple "Don't try this at home" disclaimer seems to work for them... why not FOG?

As I said before, I have no problem with video's being removed for commercial reasons but I could care less in this instance. Shane has stated he does not want any "unsafe" video's posted on FOG. This is in no way a Good Thing.

Offline Jay Knoll

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2010, 07:13 AM »
Mike, I'm afraid you don't understand the issues involved here.  First, your being from Australia you don't understand the litigious nature of so many people in the US.  For this reason Festool has to be cautious in what is allowed to be shown here.  It is all too easy to be critical when you have nothing to lose.  Second, original poster is the owner of a competing company posting under an alias to promote his products on Festool's forum. That is out of line, way out of line.  I think this whole thread should be deleted.   

Brice

Well said!  And I second the deletion recommendation.  And I would have no problem with FOG adopting a "no Eureka Zone" posts.

Jay

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2010, 08:13 AM »
Mike, I'm afraid you don't understand the issues involved here.  First, your being from Australia you don't understand the litigious nature of so many people in the US.  For this reason Festool has to be cautious in what is allowed to be shown here.  It is all too easy to be critical when you have nothing to lose.  Second, original poster is the owner of a competing company posting under an alias to promote his products on Festool's forum. That is out of line, way out of line.  I think this whole thread should be deleted.   

Brice

Well said!  And I second the deletion recommendation.  And I would have no problem with FOG adopting a "no Eureka Zone" posts.



Jay


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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2010, 08:26 AM »
Ok, I'll add to this, no videos showing anything but a festool product.  Further if the festool logo is not apropriately displayed that should be taken down imediately!   

Sorry for the small attempt at comedy, but this thread has gone to lunacy!   My god a forum is supposed to be about exchange of differing opinions and learning from one another.  I've gained some tremendous knowledge here and seen numerous threads where differences in opinion were strong, but we all had our say and moved on. I have to say this is scary.   At some point does it just become a non stop sales picth for a single product.   I certainly hope not.  It would kill a great product (this forum). 

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2010, 08:58 AM »
We have rules on the forum which are not partial to any particular "source" or "brand".  The same rules apply, and have been applied, to instances where the unsafe practice was with a Festool and the content was removed.  Some members may not agree with this rule but I would ask that members respect our position as owners of the forum.

There is nothing in the forum rules that prohibits videos showing other brands.  There are plenty of threads and lots of content about other product brands, including those that are direct competitors.  The issue at hand is that we do not allow video showing someone doing something that is unsafe.

If members want to share unsafe practices or content then do so on a forum that allows that sort of thing.  This forum does not.

Offline bonesbr549

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2010, 11:23 AM »
Shane, block it strip it whatever.  My comment was about going from discussiong a topic  to proposing the deletion of threads.  But then there is much more to life than this so its my last 2cw.   

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2010, 02:02 PM »
This seems simple to me. I respect Shane, so I respect his decisions on how best to run this forum. If I didn't respect those decisions, I can go elsewhere.  What's to discuss?

I'd like to see this thread closed, it's run its course and can only lead to ill feeling that's beneath us fine foggers! Plenty of rubbish to watch on youtube if that's your bag.

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RE: interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)
« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2010, 02:05 PM »
Ok, I am locking the thread at this point.  If anyone would like to share their thoughts, please feel free to PM myself or a moderator.