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Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2012, 05:38 AM »
I did consider the 400 however portability and the roll up cross cut rail are what sold me on the 300. As an all around general carpenters saw, particularly if you do a lot of framing, I'd say go for the 400. The increased depth and power is what you really need for cutting 2X. it's angle fence also has a larger capacity, plus it's compatible with standard Mafell rails so you could use it similar to a regular plunge saw like the ts55 or the MT55. Note the plunge action is very different to that of the Festool or the Mt55 for finer work I would consider one of these.

The Kss 300 is best suited for material up to 1 1/4" thick. You can cut 1 1/2" material but only just. As far as a complete replacement for a SCMS, you're going to be more efficient with repeated cuts  on a dedicated miter saw station as well as cutting crown molding or detailed trim. This saw is a space saver on your truck and on the jobsite. It's incredibly versatile for it's size and weight and excels with sheet goods and flooring. If i did more framing and reno I would have bought the larger 400 for the reasons stated above, the package remains compact for what it can do, it's just that working in film, we're using sheet goods and 1x3 stock for the vast majority of our construction.

Hope that helps.

Is there a specific job you have in mind when considering these saws?

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Offline Dogwood

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2012, 01:47 AM »
Thanks Ghostfist,

The problem is that I dont have a specific task in mind, more trying to see if i can do it all with one. Which often doesnt work that well  [embarassed]

Doing renos there are many different tasks which can be annoying as you need to have so many tools.

Does the KSS 400 not come in a systainer with an optional flexi rail? hmm that is a lot less enticing. I know what you mean about having tools that are easy to transport and able to do multiple tasks.

Thanks and feel free to update or add any more comments or observations it's appreciated!

Also do you own a TS55? Any significant advantages you feel it has over using the KSS for the same tasks (sheet goods typically I suppose)?




Offline Bob Gerritsen

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2012, 02:38 AM »
Just got the Mafell last week, played with it a bit and I am thoroughly pleased. The engineering is very impressive, consider someone explaining the concept to you for the first time without pics and you would probably think this to be too complex or too expensive or just too flawed to be any good. Yet, when you open the box and take it out you cannot help but smile and for good reason. I think the quality is really good and all works smoothly indeed.

For me the main reason for getting it is the ease of setup. Before I felt really reluctant to get the trusty TS55 and rail out and make room for it on site. You need a certain amount of room for the rail when cutting and when packing up and having to use the stairs or elevator the rail is always the odd one out. It isn't compact like a systainer and usually you cannot combine it with something else but need to you hold it in one hand. I have even improvised with hand saws and a plane for cleaning up because of the reluctance to get the TS55 and set it up. Nowadays the mafell is already there and for up to 30cm cuts it needs almost no room. The fold able rail indeed folds up to a wall when needed. Plus, when packing up, the mafell setup fits completely in the systainer and the only limit to how much you can carry is your muscle and back. ;) Mind you, it's different if you only work in houses under construction and have plenty room to get in and setup but I have to consider furniture in cramped rooms. It is perfect for that indeed.

For most jobs, say 90%, I try to always have all the tools I need in the van. With the mafell that 'van setup' is complete. This saw lives in the van now, the TS55 and Kapex stay at the shop unless I have something big or know I'll need them and it is worth the effort. So no more thinking about what I have to take with me, I close the shop and go. When I come back it's the same thing. I leave the van tools in the van and find the TS55 setup and ready to get to work in the shop. I'm loving this setup a lot! It saves me schlepping the Kapex most of the time and it is a joy to use as it is.

The saw is extremely versatile, very well made and comfortably light to transport and unless you mostly saw stuff thicker than it can handle I cannot see reason for disappointment. It might not be able to 100% of the jobs but when 3/4 inch sheets are your main material it will serve you well.

Cheers, Bob.


Offline Eco-Options

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2012, 06:25 AM »
If the cost would come down by  $1-200 it would be all mine!

Almost $900  [eek]

http://www.timberwolftools.com/tools/mafell/MAF-KSS300.html
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Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2012, 06:32 AM »


the end of this video you can see the case that comes with the kss 400. Still fairly compact for what it does, note it does not come with a flexi rail and I'm unsure if there is room for the flex rail in the case, however in the following video from timberwolf tools he claims that the flex rail is indeed compatible.



Not the flex rails capacity for cutting is just over 4'

And here is a more detailed look at the 300 with some footage of the 400 at the end


Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2012, 06:35 AM »
Dogwood, I also suggest you contact LAndhaus in alberta. They are the Canadian distributer for mafell products. Leonard there is extremely helpfull and is a super awesome guy to boot. Fantastic if not incredible customer service! I can dig up his info for you if you're interested. he's not the type of guy to sell you something you don't need.

Offline Bob Gerritsen

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2012, 11:44 AM »
Had a job in a basement today where I had to cut some melamine. It had to be a proper cut and all I had was the factory blade. I forgot to order a melamine blade, have one of those for the TS55 and that works great. The factory blade of the Mafell however made an ok cut in one go and a superb cut when I went over twice, ones at a couple mm and then all through. So, FYI, the standard blade is quite nice, not sure for how long but I'm postponing getting a special blade for the moment.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2012, 12:32 PM »
Don't know if you've had the need yet or not but it's great for quick dadoes and rebates. What's normally a bit of time tinkering with any other tool can be done fast on the KSS. Of course for a lot of repeat cuts setting up a router or dado blade is a preferred method. But for fast one off joints the KSS is a treat.

Offline Dogwood

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2012, 01:55 AM »
Great info, thanks a lot guys.

Mafell products sure appear to be cleverly thought out and look very high quality. Looks like I'm going to have to start saving up! [big grin]

Offline Bob Gerritsen

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2012, 03:55 PM »
Don't know if you've had the need yet or not but it's great for quick dadoes and rebates. What's normally a bit of time tinkering with any other tool can be done fast on the KSS. Of course for a lot of repeat cuts setting up a router or dado blade is a preferred method. But for fast one off joints the KSS is a treat.

Right, had something like that last Friday. Made a small cabinet to cover an Internet router and such under a flat screen in a shop. It needed some holes for wires on three sides in total. As the cabinet had no back I could use the kss to make those 'holes' from the back, it worked like a charm. With a couple cuts set at 8mm depth I had what I needed.


Offline Jalvis

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2012, 09:56 AM »
This week I found myself needing to miter some trim but my miter saw wasn't in the trailer.....found another way....but the KSS 300 was on my mind.  I think the KSS is like many innovative tools....once you add it to the arsenal you find more uses than one would hope.  This saw is moving up my list!

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2012, 10:21 AM »
I've yet to do any trim with mine yet. Not to say it isn't doable, but there are some things to think about if this is your intended purpose with this saw. First it's a profile moulding you'd need to set a piece of scrap behind the piece you intend to cut just to ensure the track lays level. For compound cuts remember the saw only tilts one way so consider this when doing inside corners. All easy things to overcome but you do have to get slightly creative when you first start using the saw due to it's uniqueness.

Offline Jalvis

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2012, 09:17 AM »
I was contemplating the same things you mentioned.  Although you can cut the trim on the back side for a flat location.....mitered corners might need some practice.  As I think about this more it would be simple to make a miter box for the saw......then you could cut crown and have some more options like a true sliding miter saw.  Not sure if it would work but worth considering.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2012, 09:30 AM »
Honestly I have a ton of ideas for simple jigs for this saw. Just haven't had the time to test them out. Jigs should be simple and compact if not disposable for this saw in order to maintain its usefulness as a compact device. If you do end up getting one I'm sure the wheels will start to turn in your head as well. Still waiting on my mt55, but I've been eying the cordless version of the 400 as well.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2012, 12:54 PM »
Well, I'm still super happy with this tool and managed to finally snag an mt55 to compliment it over the weekend. Big brother hasn't seen any action yet beyond laying it on it's track, pushing it back and forth, and making truck noises (vrroom vroom!). Went with the mt55 over the festool for a few reasons, mainly the fine touches on this saw that for me push the mafell slightly on top of the festool. Keep in mind I've yet to cut anything with this tool yet but it's love at first site with this puppy. I noted jmb's criticisms of the saw and tested it out for myself they didn't seem to be an issue, in fairness I could be blinded by lust, but I found plunge action to be smooth and effortless, dropping it on the track all easy peasy. Could use a plug it though, and I'll have to field test track grip

The package I picked up consisted of two F160 rails which, when combined give me about 10' of track. Connecting the rails is fast solid and sturdy, you can simply slide the connecting piece back into one of the rails when not in use and back out when you're ready to join another piece. I locking it in place involves a quarter turn a piece on four tightening bolts on the connection bar, really a smart bit of engineering you have to see up close for yourself. With the kit I got a parallel fence, the position indicator and the angle track, which works similarly to the cross cut track on the  KSS 300, minus the spring loaded capability and it uses a sturdy fence that protrudes beyond the track that has slots to attach the mafell f clamps to. This wee bit of track is meant to be connected to one of the longer rigid rails for accurate angled cuts.

So ya, so far impressed, really solid build all around, this beast should last a long while.

Offline Festoolfootstool

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2012, 01:20 PM »
a great purchase you will be happy as Larry with that kit, I use mine with the festool track [sad] so I have the parallel guides would be nice if Mafell made a set of parallels... enjoy
If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kind of **** to drink it.......

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Offline Jalvis

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2012, 01:26 PM »
I have been using the MT55 for the last year......and also have the two 160 rails and connectors.

For the record I have several Festool TS55's and ATF 55's.  The Mafell is a better machine in use and durability.  One thing that is cool is being able to use the Mafell on either rail system.....it fits flawlessly with the Festool system, but I think the Mafell rails are better quality....especially with the connector option.  Oh...and the rail strip doesn't come off like the Festool rails.  

The blade change function on the Mafell is Amazing.....I now change the blade for the cut thats needed!

Some people had problems with the Mafell rails slipping but I find that they hold better than the Festool.  Although there are lots of easy solutions to get more grip.

The only reason I'm keeping my Festool rails is for the Gecko clamps.....I need to find a way to use those on the Mafell Rails......or buy the Aerofix system!




Offline neth27

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2012, 02:14 PM »
If any one needs a extra jointing bar (£22.67p) or 1600 rails (£40.00) these are a bargain, http://www.powertoolworld.co.uk/bosch-saws/bosch-fsn-vel-rail-connecting-piece.html 

John...

Offline jmbfestool

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2012, 02:49 PM »
Well, I'm still super happy with this tool and managed to finally snag an mt55 to compliment it over the weekend. Big brother hasn't seen any action yet beyond laying it on it's track, pushing it back and forth, and making truck noises (vrroom vroom!). Went with the mt55 over the festool for a few reasons, mainly the fine touches on this saw that for me push the mafell slightly on top of the festool. Keep in mind I've yet to cut anything with this tool yet but it's love at first site with this puppy. I noted jmb's criticisms of the saw and tested it out for myself they didn't seem to be an issue, in fairness I could be blinded by lust, but I found plunge action to be smooth and effortless, dropping it on the track all easy peasy. Could use a plug it though, and I'll have to field test track grip

The package I picked up consisted of two F160 rails which, when combined give me about 10' of track. Connecting the rails is fast solid and sturdy, you can simply slide the connecting piece back into one of the rails when not in use and back out when you're ready to join another piece. I locking it in place involves a quarter turn a piece on four tightening bolts on the connection bar, really a smart bit of engineering you have to see up close for yourself. With the kit I got a parallel fence, the position indicator and the angle track, which works similarly to the cross cut track on the  KSS 300, minus the spring loaded capability and it uses a sturdy fence that protrudes beyond the track that has slots to attach the mafell f clamps to. This wee bit of track is meant to be connected to one of the longer rigid rails for accurate angled cuts.

So ya, so far impressed, really solid build all around, this beast should last a long while.

What where my comment again?!?!  

I have been using it for abit now and dropping it onto the track has become quicker and easier mainly because I noticed the two red marks on the base which indicate where the slot is,  it was just because I was more use to using the festool TS55 which does engage onto its tracks more easily.    

BUT my mate removed the plastic piece on the base so you can use the saw onto a Festool rail.  

That threw me off on the first cut  I placed it on the rail thought it sat in the Mafel Groove but I dropped it into the Festool groove and started cutting oops!  I find they are very close together and its advised to put the plastic infill back in if your not going to use a Festool rail any time soon.  My mate says it doesnt bother him he says hes going to leave his off   cus he can just use my rails when he wants.  


The rail connection to join the two 1600 rails to make one long raill is AMAZING  I have been using the rail connector for the Mafell for a bit now and its AMAZING it makes the Festool rail connectors a pile of rubbish absolute pile of rubbish.  

No need to check the rails for straight just simply slide the connecter in and turn 4 screws just a quarter turn and the rails pulls them selfs straight its so fast I dont mind  disconnecting/reconnecting the rails all the time.   In a small room on site this is a very very handy feature as often swinging a large rail about is a pain in the bottom AND is more likely to get damaged.    

I hate connecting the festool rails together  
1. I gotta get a straight edge first.
 
2. you have two connecters with poor little screws which are soft and I never have the correct screw driver to fit them properly.  
 
3. If you slightly knock the rail against a wall when you swing it around it WILL knock it out and you end up having to have to check the rail for straightness again and reset

4. I get parranoid incase I have knocked it out any way and I end up checking to see if its straight through out the day with a straight edge.

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Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2012, 03:07 PM »
Rail connection was a major draw for me. I was almost immediately fed up with connecting festool rails when using them. The mafell solution is better than I expected and I was very interested just reading about it. For those in Europe, is the machining of Bosch components as good as mafell? Can the rails be joined without conflict?

Offline neth27

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2012, 03:11 PM »
Rail connection was a major draw for me. I was almost immediately fed up with connecting festool rails when using them. The mafell solution is better than I expected and I was very interested just reading about it. For those in Europe, is the machining of Bosch components as good as mafell? Can the rails be joined without conflict?

They are exactly the same rails and jointing bar but with Bosch name on instead. I have two of the Bosch rails for my Mafell saw  [big grin]

John..

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2012, 03:30 PM »
Nice to know, too bad the bosch is still NAINA

Offline Jalvis

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2012, 04:39 PM »
I considered the same option....using the Bosch rails and connectors....but no such luck in North America. 

Not sure why some Bosch products are in the USA while others are not?

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2012, 07:25 PM »
Interesting to note bosch are releasing their dust collector which looks to be the mafell design here. Don't know how it compares

Offline jonathan-m

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2012, 03:47 AM »
Those Bosch & Mafell vacs are rebranded Starmix vacs. Quality German engineering vaccuum company.
That particular model has been around for a few years and is on par with the Festool offerings in terms of performance.
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Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2012, 10:17 AM »
haven't looked too much into them. Don't know if they have the HEPA filter on them like the festool. What I do like is the filter shake mechanism, again, don't know how well that works, ut it seems like a good idea.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2012, 05:28 PM »
Update on KSS 300 use. Shooting has finished on the show I'm on so I'm back in the shop, thank god. Anyway, in prep for next season, we're building a second story addition to a small room in our shop to move construction and paint coordinators into, nothing fancy, but we're doing 2x6 framing, i switched blades on my 300 and whipped through framing with this bad boy. Has just enough clearance to cut 1 1/2 material right off the pile and just leave a slight scratch on the piece below it. We were at first cutting with a regular skill saw and a speed square which is fast enough but there's just that much less effort with the 300. and when it comes to angled cuts it just cant be beat. Still an amazing little package!

Offline Dogwood

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2012, 01:29 AM »
Thanks for the update. Still really interested in that little saw.

Offline welshsam

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Re: Mafell KSS 300
« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2013, 04:50 AM »
welshsam from the uk here, just thought I'd add my opinion on this tool.

I'm lucky enough to have been predominately  a finish carpenter for the last 28 years and at least 3/4 of that time in either shop fitting,joinery or pub refurb work. As You would expect the finish on these type of projects has to be real good ,so I'm always on the search for tools that improve my ability to achieve the required finish. My Mrs and bank manager will confirm that carpentry and tools are my passion moving through what seems like every new tool that comes out my last purchase being the TS55 r which I simply cant praise enough. now the KSS300

Iv looked at every video and review on this little saw for what seems like an eternity and in truth I just couldn't get my head around the work it seemed to do on the videos to it's relatively small size.
So after many months I bit the bullet and purchased one complete with Systainer,flexi rail,guide and clamps.
Firstly having the complete set in one Systainer which has to be said is light and easily attached to my other Systainers only heightened my excitement to use this saw on site. straight out of the box I had it cutting moulded architrave and skirting with no rip out giving me a finish that allowed me to glue and
pin without my trusty block plane  coming out of the pro pac. Iv ripped every sheet good possible from melamine ,ply and mdf  without it skipping a beat the short attached track surprised me and the flexi track astonished me in fairness.
 I absolutely love this little gem of a saw on every thing I used it on you have to be a little inventive when cutting compound mitres the right way and obviously the depth of cut wont fully substitute all your saws but it's lightness and mobility factor puts it way up there with one of the best tools Iv ever bought.

Sorry if this doesn't read fluently as its my first post but I do feel quite passionately about good accurate tools that help me be the carpenter I am no matter what name they have on their label. [big grin]