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Offline Tom Bellemare

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2013, 10:34 AM »
I think the warranty in NA is 1 year also... I'm not certain.


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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2013, 10:48 AM »


It's possible Timberwolf has exclusive distribution for the whole US/N. America market.


They do.


Tom

It seems they have US/ all of NA and pretty close to the whole rest of the World outside EU...

Some web sites claim they are the authorised supplier for us Downunder folk too....

With freight we are pushing $1k for a hand held Jigsaw : eek : EEK!

That's definitely pushing the friendship and then you've got to think about rails and...
Btw... Anyone want to trust shipping rails round the world and back?
It's all in the fits!

Offline Paul G

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2013, 10:56 AM »
I did call him, but he refuse to do it.  We will need more Mafell dealers in USA.

I guess if there is a real interest to the tools then some new dealers will step up, if they see a potential.  I wish I had the money to start that.

I will try to write directly to Mafell and explain that we need something similar that EU.


It's possible Timberwolf has exclusive distribution for the whole US/N. America market.


They do.


Tom

That's a big limiting factor for me
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Offline elimelech12

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2013, 11:00 AM »
I just sent a message to Mafell and see what happen.  I have nothing against Timberwolf tools, but I think he is making a disservice to the customers and his own company, not given the same as the EU dealers.

I understand it is up to each dealer, but I would do it if I was on the business and this will help me penetrate the USA market.

Good luck - their tools may be ok, but as an organisation I found them lacking in manners and very objectionable in attitude!


I guess customer service can make all the difference. Maybe the reason we are all on the FOG
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Offline fidelfs

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2013, 11:04 AM »
JoggleStick,

You might use this contact form http://www.mafell.de/en/metanavi/contact/contact-form.html

I was thinking to try this rails http://www.toolstop.co.uk/bosch-fsn-plungs-saw-guide-rail-kit-including-fsn-1600-x-2-fsn-bag-fsn-vel-p62216

They are willing to send to USA.  They are identical to the Mafell.
There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2013, 11:05 AM »
I guess customer service can make all the difference. Maybe the reason we are all on the FOG

You are 100% right on that one. 
There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #66 on: August 30, 2013, 12:30 PM »
I guess customer service can make all the difference. Maybe the reason we are all on the FOG

You are 100% right on that one.  

I have to say Timberwolf has been exceptional at customer service with me. David at Timberwolf spent a fair amount of time on the phone discussing the P1cc and KSS80Ec tracksaw with me before I committed to purchasing. I never felt rushed to get off the phone with him and if there was a question on either he couldn't answer he'd just put me on hold to grab their demo unit or put a call into Mafell Germany. As I said before, I agree it would be ideal if there were a few more dealers spread across the US but I wouldn't discredit only having one, especially if they're as good to deal with as Timberwolf has been.



Good luck - their tools may be ok, but as an organisation I found them lacking in manners and very objectionable in attitude!


Kev I'm sorry you had a bad experience with an individual at Mafell but that doesn't make them a bad company... and if you had a chance to use some of their tools I'm sure you'd think otherwise.

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2013, 07:04 PM »


It's possible Timberwolf has exclusive distribution for the whole US/N. America market.


They do.


Tom

It seems they have US/ all of NA and pretty close to the whole rest of the World outside EU...

Some web sites claim they are the authorised supplier for us Downunder folk too....

With freight we are pushing $1k for a hand held Jigsaw : eek : EEK!

That's definitely pushing the friendship and then you've got to think about rails and...
Btw... Anyone want to trust shipping rails round the world and back?

Yeh - it's a joke. I tried talking with Mafell too - a very unfriendly experience. Australia doesn't exist as far as Mafell HO is concerned !

Offline elimelech12

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #68 on: September 03, 2013, 06:12 PM »
Now that the Carvex is out, I'm glad I didn't get one. For the time being I repurchased the Trion PS300 and will be saving up for the Mafell. How can a woodworker have a "jigsaw" that will not scribe? It's beyond me.
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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2013, 07:54 PM »
Hope you enjoy your Mafell!

Peter
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Offline elimelech12

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #70 on: September 03, 2013, 08:03 PM »
Hope you enjoy your Mafell!

Peter

I don't have one yet. Probably won't for a while but I'm gonna save up for it. I don't have to funds to just drop all that money at once. But if and when I do, I will!
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Offline elimelech12

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2013, 01:28 AM »
First I am not a festool hater. Look at my signature. Found this while searching online. The Mafell came out on top overall. Festool came in strong second.

Jigsaw review

http://www.bannedlink.com/document/24eb8e20-cef1-426d-8f0c-034a447c49e9/
« Last Edit: September 04, 2013, 01:54 AM by elimelech12 »
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Offline Paul G

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2013, 01:32 AM »
First I am not a festool hater. Look at my signature. Found this while searching online. The Mafell came out on top overall. Festool came in strong second.

Jigsaw review

Link doesn't work for some reason
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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2013, 01:55 AM »
Every time I go to post the link it comes up banned for some reason
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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2013, 01:57 AM »
First I am not a festool hater. Look at my signature. Found this while searching online. The Mafell came out on top overall. Festool came in strong second.

Jigsaw review

Link doesn't work for some reason

If it was a link to the gereedshappro video that user and his videos have been banned from FOG.
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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2013, 02:07 AM »
First I am not a festool hater. Look at my signature. Found this while searching online. The Mafell came out on top overall. Festool came in strong second.

Jigsaw review

Link doesn't work for some reason

If it was a link to the gereedshappro video that user and his videos have been banned from FOG.

Really? Why? This was a 14 page article comparing a bunch of jigsaws.
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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #76 on: September 04, 2013, 04:15 AM »
I hope I don't get into trouble posting this, as this might be kind of a touchy subject. If so please feel free to moderate or remove the post.

Here's what I know on the matter:
The respective dealer has a history with Festool. He used to be a Festool dealer. But he sold them with discounts and his dealership was revoked.
Ever since he's apparently been in "negotiations" to get his Festool dealership back but it's pretty safe to say the relationship both parties have with eachoter isn't the best. As of late I've noticed he's again offering more and more Festool products though I don't think they come from Festool directly. In the meantime though he has also picked up Mafell which has now become his main brand.

The reviews he organized has been deemed biased by the moderators of this forum because he also carries Mafell and has done several tests comparing the brand, mainly to Festool. It's believed by some on the FOG he just wants to discredit Festool & promote Mafell. Therefore the ban.

So far for the general info. As for the man himself, on a personal note, since the start of the whole "thing" on the FOG I decided to check it out for myself as he's located in the Netherlands and I'm from Belgium.
I've e-mailed him a few of times with questions regarding which tool he'd recommend for a certain job. Truth be said, his feedback has always seemed honest as his information not always points you to Mafell.

As for the rest of his business I was actually pretty amazed at how professional the man is. Each e-mail I sent got a reply within an hour. He organizes workshops and gives out free woodworking fair tickets to his customers. He has specially designed boxes made specifically for shipping systainers and each shipment is traceable over the entire journey and topped off with a call of delivery 15 mins before they ring your doorbell. Granted this is a feature of the shipping company but it speaks to his credit to choose that company over a cheaper one with less service.
In fact I'd say the kind service this guy provides is close in resemblance to the excellent service you people take for granted in the US, but is extremely rare around here. He also imports a lot of stuff from the US that's otherwise not readily available to us. He genuinely believes in only selling what he's personally convinced of being the best tools.
He is however not my go-to dealer, as he's often more expensive.

As far as the tests go, when he organizes a test, it's announced on the website and every customer can opt to partake in it. None of the tools used are sponsored. Tests are done extensively and thorough. I don't always agree with what tests they do and I would like to see more footage be made available.

In both big tests (plunge & jig saw) Mafell came out on top and he does lay it on rather tick.
It's pretty much universally accepted the MT55cc is better than the TS55r, but on the P1cc test it is indeed dubious the blade length doesn't exceed the length of the wood. So the blade melted and bent. This was heavily emphasized and it's generally assumed this was done on purpose to discredit the Carvex. Other then that the review is honest and actually conforms with my personal experiences as I used to own a Carvex 400 and P1cc.

Is it any wonder the Mafell tools won? I don't think so, as a single tool a Mafell is genereally a small step above Festool in engineering and build quality. Most consumers usually buy Festool in end however. They're a tad less expensive, have far more advertising exposure, a larger offering, more dealerships and a deeper integrated systems approach.

The fact there's an obvious focus on the shortcomings of Festool tools is dubious and unnecessary. As to whether or not the tests are biased and a ban is justified, is up to everyone to decide for themselves. All in all though, I give the guy the benefit of the doubt as my personal impressions & experiences with him have been pleasant and very positive.
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Offline fidelfs

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #77 on: September 04, 2013, 07:55 AM »
It is obvious this is a company sponsored website, the company and the dealer have not relationship.

I honestly believe that is some true to the test they perform, You need to be objective to see thru the fog (not this FOG) of advertisement on internet and make your own conclusion.

I have not ever tested both machines, but I made my mind the one that I will buy and it is not the Carvex.

Festool has a great marketing machine, customer service varies by country (based in posting from users of this forum and others).  What I have found Festoll USA is the leader in customer satisfaction, some times there are a few problems. The brand loyalty to festool is the best, but that precludes an objective point of view.
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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #78 on: September 04, 2013, 08:42 AM »
In reply to jonathan-m's post,  the dealer mentioned was not banned for the test or his Festool dealer status.  The ban was for activity here prior to the other thread and failure to disclose relationships.  That review thread was allowed to continue for 9 pages until the completion of their tests.  Then it was locked.  The links to the review video are banned due to the fact that they are considered posting on a banned member's behalf which is not allowed per the forum guidelines - not because of the content.

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #79 on: September 04, 2013, 08:58 AM »
Jonathan,

I remember the whole fiasco and you summarised it perfectly. I totally agree with you.


Offline Paul G

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #80 on: September 04, 2013, 10:20 AM »
In reply to jonathan-m's post,  the dealer mentioned was not banned for the test or his Festool dealer status.  The ban was for activity here prior to the other thread and failure to disclose relationships.  That review thread was allowed to continue for 9 pages until the completion of their tests.  Then it was locked.  The links to the review video are banned due to the fact that they are considered posting on a banned member's behalf which is not allowed per the forum guidelines - not because of the content.

Peter

Is that thread still here? I'd like to read it but can't find it, searching has been difficult.
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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #81 on: September 04, 2013, 10:50 AM »
Just to add to what Peter and others have said, the Mafell dealer in question (Sander is his name) came onto the forum and began promoting and advocating Mafell products and never disclosed his affiliation with Mafell. Even after I messaged him, he denied any affiliation and pretended to just be another guy like one of you. I later found definitive proof that he was being dishonest. So, he was banned from the forum. Per our forum guidelines, another member cannot post on behalf of a banned member. This rule was in place long before this transpired.

Some time later, a thread began with a new member making their first post with a video of the Carvex bending a blade in what was portrayed as an unbiased video comparison with the P1CC. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, myself and others attempted to offer assistance only to find out later that this new forum member, as well as two others who later joined the thread, were affiliated with the aforementioned Mafell dealer, Sander, and did not disclose that information up front.

Despite what I personally felt was compelling evidence that the video was extremely biased and meant to discredit the merits of the Carvex, the thread was allowed to continue until the tests results were completed.

This Mafell dealer in the Netherlands, Sander, and his testers have been deceptive here on the forum multiple times now and I do not condone his practices. I'm surprised that Mafell allows this type of thing because I believe it hurts their brand image.

Since this thread, we have had several forum members replicate the cut without issues and post their results.

Here's a link to the fiasco, which I would agree that's what it was. Please feel free to read it, but I'd respectfully ask that we not get back into a heated debate. Use it as a reference and form your opinion. I've not revisited that thread since it was originally made, so let me apologize in advance for anything I might have said that was out of line. I believe strongly in what Festool represents and feel compelled to protect what I believe in.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/carvex-420-first-impressions

Offline Paul G

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #82 on: September 04, 2013, 12:35 PM »
Thanks Shane, I think you kept your cool better than I would lol.

For those wanting to read the review it is indeed posted here at FOG in post #222 of that comical thread.
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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #83 on: September 04, 2013, 12:41 PM »
I assure anyone reading that thread that Shane, Seth, and I do not get our jollies have to do non-helpful moderating in a thread and that thread will be remembered by us for a loooooong time.

Rock on and make sawdust!

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #84 on: September 04, 2013, 01:10 PM »
FOG, being owned and operated by Festool itself, have to be applauded for this website. In the time that I've been on this forum they have always allowed for constructive criticism and comparison to competitors. It stands as another excellent feature to Festool's customer service. While there are instances where I prefer a competitor's product, Festool remain extremely high quality! Hat's off to the moderators, this board in general, and festool as a whole.

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #85 on: September 04, 2013, 03:25 PM »
Ghostfist, Totally agree. Mike

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #86 on: November 23, 2015, 08:51 AM »
Hi guys, sorry to dig out this topic.

Just wondered if the P1CC was sold with the "old" systainer
or the "new" one (the one wich has the unique central rotative latch).

Thanks !

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #87 on: November 23, 2015, 09:09 AM »
Hi guys, sorry to dig out this topic.

Just wondered if the P1CC was sold with the "old" systainer
or the "new" one (the one wich has the unique central rotative latch).

Thanks !

Currently the old one... rumour mill says mafell will be phasing in T-Locs Q2 next year though :)

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #88 on: November 23, 2015, 10:03 AM »
It's also sometimes a squeeze to get the cable bundled in there, probably worth switching it out for a newer larger one if you can get the insert to fit.
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Offline paulc75

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #89 on: November 24, 2015, 10:17 PM »
Noticed at toolfair that some Mafell are now in tlocs labelled T-Max. Only a KSS at the moment until all current stock sells. This us what the Mafell rep said to me. So no P1CC in Tloc yet. I was told that there are still over 100 P1CC on stock in the classics.