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Offline Holmz

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #90 on: November 24, 2015, 11:49 PM »
Hi guys, sorry to dig out this topic.

Just wondered if the P1CC was sold with the "old" systainer
or the "new" one (the one wich has the unique central rotative latch).

Thanks !

Much the same as marrying a women because you like her lipstick and shoes, you can always buy the Systainer, and the packaging does not actually do any sawing.

I like the classic syatainers myself, but I did 40 sys-1 in the T-loc last week.

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Offline DB10

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2015, 05:47 AM »

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Much the same as marrying a women because you like her lipstick and shoes, you can always buy the Systainer, and the packaging does not actually do any sawing.

I like the classic syatainers myself, but I did 40 sys-1 in the T-loc last week.
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@Holmz    40 - Sys1's, So it must have been you who snapped up all the remaining 90 year stock............Are you building a new house out of Systainers?

Offline Holmz

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2015, 06:15 AM »
@DB10 - I went to get some plumbing gear out of the Ikea wire rack job I have had for 20 years.
Again the 'bastard of a thing' avalanched down with one shelf dropping down to the next one, and so forth.
I was trending towards another Tourettes moment.

However I remained strangely calm.

Without the permission of the Haus-Boss I retired to my study and ordered 40 after carefully consideration...

This included considering the old kitchen bench that is in the garage where the drawers and doors are also fully knackered.
I have sand paper in one dodgy drawer and can never get to things.

Then I scratched the beard...  [cool]

And considered for the umptenth time how to make a work bench that replace the kitchen bench.
I want it on wheels so I can shift it about.
And I want to be able to break it down to flat-pack it if/when I move. So I have been considering unglued dowels/dominos for alignment and screws to hold it together.

So I ordered a Lamello Zeta-P2 and some clampex to use for the function of screws.   [cool]

I am looking at vacuum bags at the moment [embarassed] as I have a roll of carbon fibre. So weighing up using an end-grain balsa core with c/f face-sheets. I may just use the fibreglass face-sheet material.
Probably 8 feet long with a top and bottom and a center spine, and some dividers every systainer width to stiffen it... Sort of a thick Paulk design.
I'll probably paint the carcase with an automotive paint and 2-pack clear coat it.
I whack some castors on the base to shift it about.

That bench will hold a lot of the systainers and I can texta chisels, sand paper, etc on those systainers or have a lookup table for my crap may be.  [embarassed]

Back onto the p1cc... I spoke with the local "Test & Tag" fellow this arvo.
He charges $6/tool, and maybe another $6 /extension-leads.

He said no worries with an Aussie male end on a p1cc. If I have not already done that, then add $10/tool and it is stamped compliant. He also said no worries with a Nuetrik on it, but that may be another few $/tool to test-n-tag them.  [cool]

I was leaning on the Domino last weekend, and I now wish that all the manufactures put Nuetrik on, rather than a "plug it". It would make the tools more like an ISO standard "system". And the Nuetrik feels a lot more solid than a "plug-it".

The Haus-Boss wants an MDF craft credenza. I spoke of Jarrah and she said as long as it is painted white and looks like MDF she doesn't care what I use.  [scared]
The Zeta will do that first to break the news to her... And then a book shelf for her work...
« Last Edit: November 25, 2015, 06:18 AM by Holmz »

Offline Kev

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2015, 07:16 AM »

Offline Holmz

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2015, 03:19 PM »
@Kev - Dictum has a fantastic web site.

Where is makes as much sense or more, is for something like a p1cc or xl700.
For the cost of an Aussy plug-it (XL700) one can save enough to get the systainer kit of dominos.
And for a couple $ for an Aussy male plug end one can get p1cc for a competitive price.

After 1000$, the GST+Duty make it less attractive, but it is still attractive.

When an imported p1cc is less than a green saw, it is sort of a no-brainer unless one requires an LED light.

Offline andreasg

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2015, 03:46 PM »
I think I have seen that video earlier. Seems like an awesome tool! But guess you need different rails. And a ton of extras. And moving away from the Festool system isn¨t even a question that is up for debate. This seems cooler than my Trion, and that´s okei too:)

Congratulation with a nice new enviable tool:)

Offline DB10

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2015, 06:22 PM »
Thanks @Holmz Your like a mad scientist, I enjoy your posts but don't always understand them.

Offline Kev

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2015, 06:24 PM »
Thanks @Holmz Your like a mad scientist, I enjoy your posts but don't always understand them.

@DB10 I think you'll find he is actually a real, live mad scientist ... with documentation to prove it !! [wink]

Offline DB10

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #98 on: November 26, 2015, 03:05 AM »
Thanks @Holmz Your like a mad scientist, I enjoy your posts but don't always understand them.

@DB10 I think you'll find he is actually a real, live mad scientist ... with documentation to prove it !! [wink]
@Kev maybe @Holmz  could explain to me how the flux capacitor works, in layman's terms. Then I could go back in time and snap up some of those 90 year systainers before you boys got them all!

Offline Kev

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #99 on: November 26, 2015, 03:14 AM »
Thanks @Holmz Your like a mad scientist, I enjoy your posts but don't always understand them.

@DB10 I think you'll find he is actually a real, live mad scientist ... with documentation to prove it !! [wink]
@Kev maybe @Holmz  could explain to me how the flux capacitor works, in layman's terms. Then I could go back in time and snap up some of those 90 year systainers before you boys got them all!

@DB10 I need to explain the butterfly effect to you .. if 90th Anniversary Systainers ended up in the wrong hands it could mean the end of civilisation as we know it!!! [scared] [eek]

Offline Holmz

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #100 on: November 26, 2015, 05:28 AM »
Thanks @Holmz Your like a mad scientist, I enjoy your posts but don't always understand them.

You and me both brutha.

Offline hemdale

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #101 on: November 28, 2015, 07:33 AM »
Do you guys got the Collins coping too ?

Offline Holmz

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #102 on: November 28, 2015, 08:36 AM »
Yes - but I have not had a need for it yet.

Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #103 on: November 28, 2015, 08:39 PM »
Do you guys got the Collins coping too ?

I have the Collins Coping Foot for my P1cc and LOVE it! For the work I do (mostly interior millwork), I actually end up using the coping foot at least as much, if not more, than the standard base. A worthwhile investment if you plan on coping a lot of millwork.
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Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #104 on: November 29, 2015, 12:20 AM »
Tom, wasn't it you who got Collins to make the p1cc foot? If so thanx I finally picked one up for myself

Offline hemdale

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #105 on: November 29, 2015, 12:41 PM »
@ Tom + Ghost: I'm guessing you can't have the splinter guard installed while using the coping foot ?
Did you notice any splinter issues ?

Offline Wuffles

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #106 on: November 29, 2015, 01:05 PM »
Do I need* one of these coping feet for my P1CC? I'm skirting my extension next week with around 80 metres of this stuff: http://www.dressermouldings.com/store/timber-skirtings/type-36a-timber-skirting.html

I normally just "manage" with a smaller blade and some luck - will this improve things once I've got my head around the technique?

*We all understand the varying levels of need here, I'm talking actual need, not kind of vaguely need.
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Offline wrightwoodwork

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #107 on: November 29, 2015, 01:18 PM »
I can't comment on using the coping foot as I haven't used yet I have used my p1cc to cope similar skirting and I honestly didn't find it quicker for myself than just using the coping saw on moulded part. It felt more like using a power tool for the sake of it. Maybe different on much larger moulding. For myself it doesn't feel like a purchase I need ye other who have used might think different

Offline Wuffles

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #108 on: November 29, 2015, 01:21 PM »
I'm painting it too, so the butchery gets hidden  [smile]
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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #109 on: November 29, 2015, 01:50 PM »
@ Tom + Ghost: I'm guessing you can't have the splinter guard installed while using the coping foot ?
Did you notice any splinter issues ?

When coping with the Coping Foot, you hold the saw on the back side of the material so the blade is cutting on the pull stroke, so any chips or tear out occur on the back side of the work, leaving a very crisp, sharp face.

One mistake a lot of users make is to try to use a fine toothed blade for coping with the Coping Foot. It may sound counterintuitive, but my best results have been with rather aggressive blades, as they tend to be more stout and can stand up to tighter turns. Again, remember that any chipping will occur on the back side of the work.

Ghostfist, you are correct that I had my P1cc shipped directly to Collins for them to develop the coping foot for it, I'm glad that it's being well received!

Wuffles, nobody really "needs" a Coping Foot, but if you are making more than a cope or two, I've found it to be a HUGE time saver, particularly on large crown moulding, or when working with hard or dense materials like Maple. Plan on a dozen or so copes to get the hang of using the Coping Foot, but after that time investment it will speed up your work tremendously.
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Offline Wuffles

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #110 on: November 29, 2015, 01:54 PM »
@ Tom + Ghost: I'm guessing you can't have the splinter guard installed while using the coping foot ?
Did you notice any splinter issues ?

When coping with the Coping Foot, you hold the saw on the back side of the material so the blade is cutting on the pull stroke, so any chips or tear out occur on the back side of the work, leaving a very crisp, sharp face.

One mistake a lot of users make is to try to use a fine toothed blade for coping with the Coping Foot. It may sound counterintuitive, but my best results have been with rather aggressive blades, as they tend to be more stout and can stand up to tighter turns. Again, remember that any chipping will occur on the back side of the work.

Ghostfist, you are correct that I had my P1cc shipped directly to Collins for them to develop the coping foot for it, I'm glad that it's being well received!

Wuffles, nobody really "needs" a Coping Foot, but if you are making more than a cope or two, I've found it to be a HUGE time saver, particularly on large crown moulding, or when working with hard or dense materials like Maple. Plan on a dozen or so copes to get the hang of using the Coping Foot, but after that time investment it will speed up your work tremendously.

Righto. I normally trace on the back side and jigsaw from there to avoid tear out on the front and also (more importantly) to give myself a flat something to draw on and cut through.

I reckon I'll give it a miss this time and perhaps have a go on one in the future at a trade show or something and see if it's my thing.

Cheers for the info.
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Offline hemdale

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #111 on: December 04, 2015, 03:30 AM »
Hi everyone,

Just received my P1CC a few days ago and absolutely love it. Only complaint: tilt base has no dust extraction which is a bit weird.

Also when cutting holes or circles, which hole of the lateral arm are you using ? Maffell's manual isn't clear.

Thanks guys

Offline Wuffles

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #112 on: December 04, 2015, 03:34 AM »
Hi everyone,

Just received my P1CC a few days ago and absolutely love it. Only complaint: tilt base has no dust extraction which is a bit weird.

Also when cutting holes or circles, which hole of the lateral arm are you using ? Maffell's manual isn't clear.

Thanks guys

The one in-line with the front of the blade? Can't remember, not come a cropper on it though.

This'll send you back to sleep but might help:

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Offline hemdale

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #113 on: December 04, 2015, 08:47 AM »
Thanks mate

Offline jmac80

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #114 on: December 04, 2015, 12:25 PM »
I see screwfix in the UK have just started selling mafell gear.
James

Offline Wuffles

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #115 on: December 04, 2015, 01:53 PM »
At a hilarious price point?
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Offline jmac80

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #116 on: December 04, 2015, 02:01 PM »
At a hilarious price point?

Amazingly competitive for a change... everyone must sell mafell gear at pretty much rrp?
James

Offline Wuffles

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #117 on: December 04, 2015, 02:24 PM »
I got a discount for having a hairline crack in a systainer on something Mafelly once.
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Offline ear3

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #118 on: December 04, 2015, 04:05 PM »
I want to hire this guy to read me bedtime stories.  Sorry if this has already been asked and answered in this thread, but can the Mafell jigsaw ride the Festool rail?


Hi everyone,

Just received my P1CC a few days ago and absolutely love it. Only complaint: tilt base has no dust extraction which is a bit weird.

Also when cutting holes or circles, which hole of the lateral arm are you using ? Maffell's manual isn't clear.

Thanks guys

The one in-line with the front of the blade? Can't remember, not come a cropper on it though.

This'll send you back to sleep but might help:


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Offline hemdale

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Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #119 on: December 04, 2015, 04:17 PM »
@ edward reno: the P1cc can't ride the festool rail because of the very thin rail being specific to Mafell.



However, the P1cc will slide next to the mafell / festool rail:

« Last Edit: December 04, 2015, 04:23 PM by hemdale »