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Offline woodie

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Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« on: June 18, 2013, 11:05 AM »
I just got the saw yesterday so I only have a few photos to share as a primer  [big grin]. I'll have a chance to put it to through some tests over the next few weeks and add more info as I go.









fshanno asked about using the Cunex W1 blade in other jigsaws. Here's a closeup of the t-shank on the W1 blade.



It doesn't look like this would be practical to adapt.
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Offline ScotF

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2013, 12:06 PM »
Woodie,

I am very much looking forward to your review.  Would love to see how this saw does with standard blades too and if they are all 90 degree or if there is deflection.  I am really pleased with my new Trion and have spot on 90 degree cuts with different blades in different materials.  The Mafell has always intrigued me, though...also the parallel guide seems so well thought out. 

Scot

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2013, 02:53 PM »
Really jealous!

Offline epicxt

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2013, 08:36 PM »
Very nice! Can you run it on a Festool rail? Am looking forward to hearing your reports on this saw!
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Offline Jalvis

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 01:03 AM »
German perfection!


Offline JoggleStick

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2013, 02:16 AM »
Mhea... I don't see what all the fuss is about...
For starters, if it doesn't take the Collins Coping Foot- you can keep it...
And I dunno- I see the virtues of a jig saw and parallel guide to be sorta opposing forces, if you get my drift...
One is primarily for cutting curves, the other primarily straight lines....

But hey I don't mean to rain on your parade... It's a very very nice looking saw...

I just don't get what all the fuss is about.....
It's all in the fits!

Offline fuzzy logic

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2013, 04:38 AM »
Mmm.  Do I detect angst in your post?
Fear not - there is hope for you  [unsure]  [big grin]

Maybe all will be revealed as woodie (and others?) inform us of their experiences of the P1cc.
And, whether any (alleged) fuss is warranted.

Obviously being able to use the Coping Foot imperative for you - fair enough.
But the Foot doesn't fit lots of jig-saws, so your heads-up re' the Mafell helpful to those
who need to know that.

Similarly - ditto'ish re' comments about fence.

Don't think raining on anyone's parade to be honest.

I, for one, am looking forward to what others think about a jig-saw that
has a good reputation.

Richard


Decent people do the right thing - always?

Offline Kev

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2013, 05:33 AM »
Jigsaw reputation ... maybe ok

Company "Mafell" as having any interest in providing products or service in Australia ... toilet !

I judge a product by more than it's technical attributes, that's why I have massive respect for Festool. Based on my interactions, I hope you're happy with the Mafell and I hope it doesn't fail on you.

Offline JoggleStick

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2013, 05:46 AM »
Fuzzy logic.... Yes that says it all...
What a tool....
It's all in the fits!

Offline Kev

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2013, 05:55 AM »
Fuzzy logic.... Yes that says it all...
What a tool....

I love a good subtext, just like I love a good whisky  [wink]

Offline woodie

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2013, 01:35 PM »
Woodie,

I am very much looking forward to your review.  Would love to see how this saw does with standard blades too and if they are all 90 degree or if there is deflection.  I am really pleased with my new Trion and have spot on 90 degree cuts with different blades in different materials.  The Mafell has always intrigued me, though...also the parallel guide seems so well thought out. 

Scot

I'm more interested in how it performs with standard t-shank blades as well.  Though it's nice having Mafell's W1 blade as an option.


Very nice! Can you run it on a Festool rail? Am looking forward to hearing your reports on this saw!

I just tried this out this morning and found two ways the Festool guide rail can be used.  The rail doesn't wind up being used as a "captive" guide but works as a straight edge.  I mention that because I believe the Carvex/Trion guide base uses the raised profile on the rail like the TS55/75.

Option 1 -  Uses the included Parallel Edge Guide.  With the guide in the position shown below it allows the saw base to lay flat against the work surface and the edge guide to lay flat against the guide rail. 



Option 2 - The base of the saw has machined flats that run parallel to the blade on both sides. These can be used to guide the saw against the back side of the guide rail.






Mhea... I don't see what all the fuss is about...
For starters, if it doesn't take the Collins Coping Foot- you can keep it...
And I dunno- I see the virtues of a jig saw and parallel guide to be sorta opposing forces, if you get my drift...
One is primarily for cutting curves, the other primarily straight lines....

But hey I don't mean to rain on your parade... It's a very very nice looking saw...

I just don't get what all the fuss is about.....

I have no intention of coping with a Jigsaw, but as fuzzy logic said that may be good for others to know. 

As to cutting straight lines with a jig saw versus curves? I definitely don't see myself ripping 4x8 sheets of ply with it, I think I'd much prefer using my TS75.  Though having said that, I've used a jigsaw many times to cut straight lines...


Jigsaw reputation ... maybe ok

Company "Mafell" as having any interest in providing products or service in Australia ... toilet !

I judge a product by more than it's technical attributes, that's why I have massive respect for Festool. Based on my interactions, I hope you're happy with the Mafell and I hope it doesn't fail on you.

So far my experience with the Mafell dealer has been exceptional as have my dealings with various Festool dealers (with the exception of my local brick and mortar outlet).  I'm not posting my experience with this saw to spite Festool and I hope no one has taken it that way?  There just isn't a great deal of info on the web regarding the P1cc, particularly from end users.  I merely thought others would appreciate the added perspective.
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Red - KSS80 EC/370, MT55cc, P1cc, F160, F110 and Aerofix Guide Rails.

Offline Paul G

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2013, 03:00 PM »
Is there only one Mafell dealer in the US?
+1

Offline woodie

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2013, 06:50 PM »
Is there only one Mafell dealer in the US?

Oops, I meant to answer that in the other thread and forgot. Yes I think there is only one US dealer, Timberwolf Tools in Maine.  As I understand it they've been a Mafell dealer for 26 years.

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Red - KSS80 EC/370, MT55cc, P1cc, F160, F110 and Aerofix Guide Rails.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2013, 07:01 PM »
Timberwolf have recently took over north american distribution and have the market for the time being. Hopefully Canada regains a dealer that's a fraction as good as our previous one. I'm stocked on mafell gear for now but there's so much more I want. I like that you can run the bladed backwards on this puppy for more support when using the saw beneath the stock. Not to mention the 1 million other cool tweaks on this guy. Can't wait for a full review.

Offline alik

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2013, 03:51 PM »
Congratulation! MAFELL P1 OPERATION]http://www.mafel.lwebtv[url=http://www.mafellwebtv.com]MAFELL P1 OPERATION[/url] It is a great jigsaw.I have one too.The cuprex motor its very strong.You will see the difference when cutting hardwoods. ;D

Offline fuzzy logic

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2013, 05:52 AM »
Try this link (as link given came up not recognised.)

http://www.mafell.de/webtv_en/

Richard
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Offline Jalvis

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2013, 12:21 PM »
If the P1cc is like any of the other Mafell tools then its well worth the money.  I have no regrets with any of my Mafell tools. 

Festool makes great products but they are not the only German company setting the standard for the industry. 

I understand not everyone will see the value in some tools.  Some of my Family, Friends, and Clients are astonished by the cost of equipment and think I'm crazy.  What they dont know is Festool is just the stepping point since thats all they see.  Walk into a well equipped shop and there will be Felder, Altendorf, Martin, Streibig, Hoffmann.....Line borers, sliding Saws, Shapers, Air clamps, Wide belt sanders.  You wont see me get too worked up comparing jigsaws when just a portion of my stationary tools could buy the entire Festool line.  If a tool under a 1K scares you then your not ready to build a shop.

As for the coping foot: Most guys a I know who use the coping foot have one attached to a jigsaw permanently for that purpose while another jigsaw is available for other tasks.  Its like routers......easier to have lots of routers set permanently with bits rather than change setups constantly. 

Offline fuzzy logic

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2013, 03:58 PM »
+1

Have 3 jigsaws.
!x with Foot + 1x battery & 1x mains (these two are DeWalts, which have given
good service, but getting very tired.)

My interest in the P1cc is that (including optional tilting base) all fits neatly into
one Systainer; although would want T-Loc (love that, when stacked, can tilt them, to get into
one half way down.)
Seems convenient and versatile - with, for sure, some innovative design features.

Look forward to Woodie giving thoughts re' 'squareness' of cuts,
dust collection, and, the blade attachment mechanism - etc, etc.

I suppose durability is an unknown - but, Mafell seem to know what they're about.
And, as quite a few companies do now, comes with 3-year warranty.

Richard
Decent people do the right thing - always?

Offline JoggleStick

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2013, 02:34 AM »
Hey @Jalvis,

I really laughed out loud when I read your post- it tickled my fancy, so to speak.

Well while we all wait patiently for @woodie to get some 'tool time' up so he can give us a report, I read with interest that you've been happy with your Mafell tools...

Care to share your experience?.....

Oh and BTW I have at least a half doz. jigsaws of various colours in the vans and shop, but only one with a coping foot... And it's very well used.... And it never comes off... And I've never cut a coping cut with it either.....  :grin. :clue... Think rolling bevels and you'll get the drift....
It's all in the fits!

Offline jonathan-m

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2013, 06:42 AM »
First off, I must confess, I find myself becoming somewhat of a Mafell fan after replacing my TS55 & Carvex with the MT55 & P1cc. But this is my honest opinion on it.

The only negative things I have to say about it are:
1st, there's very little information available.
2nd, there's no dust collection capability when using the tilting baseplate.
3rd, there's no LED light on it.
4th, Mafell doesn't have plug-it leads on their tools. :)
5th, it's expensive.

When it comes to build quality, power, cut quality, dust extraction & all round performance, I much prefer it to the Carvex 400 it replaced.
In the end it's still just an (expensive) jigsaw though, but I must say it's the best I've used up till now.

For what it's worth, I find that in general (there's always exceptions), Festool is ideal to work with and more suited to a shop enviornment. I'm not saying there not suited for the jobsite. I mean compared to eachother.
Everything complements and works nicely together and there's tons of accessories available for just about every tool. And there's dealers everywhere when you need something.

Mafell mostly caters to a different market than Festool. There's very little info, not many dealers and they have less but more specialty tools. Their KSS saw line-up for example can be a huge time savings compared to going back and forth to the miter saw (depending on the work you do of course).
I do find them nicer to work with on a job site, out on location. They've always got more power, feel more resistant to wear & tear and they pack the accessories more compact into a single systainer with the tool. It gets done faster with Mafell.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2013, 09:32 AM by jonathan-m »
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Offline Jalvis

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2013, 09:35 AM »
Hey @Jalvis,

I really laughed out loud when I read your post- it tickled my fancy, so to speak.

Well while we all wait patiently for @woodie to get some 'tool time' up so he can give us a report, I read with interest that you've been happy with your Mafell tools...

Care to share your experience?.....

Oh and BTW I have at least a half doz. jigsaws of various colours in the vans and shop, but only one with a coping foot... And it's very well used.... And it never comes off... And I've never cut a coping cut with it either.....  :grin. :clue... Think rolling bevels and you'll get the drift....

I didn't intend to be humorous but if you had a good laugh all is well.

Mafell is a 'no frills' kind of company and it shows in there catalog, website, and dealers.  Basically if you cant see the value simply by looking than you're not the target audience.  The tool line is industrial quality and intended to be used repetitively. 

Little things make big differences for me as a worker.  For example the MT55 has an amazing blade change function.  The entire side swings open and locks the blade making changes very fast and safe for you and the tool.  I also think the F style rails are far better than Festool rails.  Mafell rails have a quick connect system that stays on the rail and has perfect alignment in seconds.  I dont hesitate to add a rail for a single cut since it only takes a moment.  Those two functions alone are enough for me to buy the Mafell but there are more.  In the end I'm someone that needs functions to be simple and easy to use otherwise I will not integrate those options into my daily work.

I will elaborate more but Its time to get to work.  Fun to TALK about tools; more fun to USE tools.

Offline woodie

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2013, 11:46 PM »
So far I’m really impressed!

I’ve had a chance to make cuts in 3/4 MDO, 3/4 Apple Ply (similar to Baltic Birch), 7/8 thick Poplar and a 20mm Ikea desktop.  I’ve just been using various Bosch blades I had on hand.  As I mentioned earlier, I was really curious to see how well standard t-shank blades work.  So far every cut I’ve made has been perfectly square.  I’m still a little shocked that this can be done without blade guides?  Even in similar materials, I never achieved such consistent results with my previous saw (Bosch 1590EVS).

Dust collection is great.  The 27mm hose end fits Mafell’s dust extraction fitting, but it is a snug fit.  Although the front of the saw is open nearly all the dust was captured (on the top side of the work surface).  The built in blower also works really well, when not using an extractor, keeping the cut line totally clear.

The splinter guard is worth mention as well.  I’ve always found it difficult to follow a cut line with a splinter guard.  Mafell’s has a black line formed in the plastic that nearly extends to the blade.  The line is biased to one side making it easier to keep the blade against a pencil line instead of on it.



Next up will be some cuts in thicker materials.  I’m going to try and capture these cuts on camera with clear views of the results against a square.
Green - MFT/3, FS 1080/2, FS 1400/2-LR32, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, Parallel Guide Set, CT 26E, CT MIDI, OF1400 EQ, LR32 Drilling Set, MFS 400 Set, MFS 700 Set, Domino DF700 Set, Domino DF500Q Set, C12 NiMH Set, T18+3 Set, 2011 Centrotec Set, RO150 FEQ, RTS400 EQ, LS130 EQ, Planex LHS225, and various accessories

Red - KSS80 EC/370, MT55cc, P1cc, F160, F110 and Aerofix Guide Rails.

Offline jonathan-m

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2013, 01:52 AM »
Woodie, I'm glad to hear you like what you see so far :) I was a bit worried about the results using it with standard blades. (I personally only use the Cunix blades)
Looking forward to that video and the negatives once the honeymoon phase wears off.

Have you noticed the pendular action? I thought it was quite special. It doesn't come in, until you actually press up to the workpiece. With most saws, the rear roller pushes the blade forward. With this saw the entire head makes the pendular movement. A lot of the precision is achieved right there I think.

As to the dust collection, it's actually quite clever what they did. The saw doesn't just blow the dust "away".
There are 2 channels inside the baseplate. One on the left and one on the right. By blowing air from the motor through the left channel, a venturi (sort of suction) effect is created in the right channel.
So in short, the motor blows air through the left channel across the blade into the right channel where it actually sucks in the dust.
That's what makes the dust extraction so efficient. You can even see a little dust collection without a vacuum attached. (you can test this out with the additional dust shroud thingy and flip it upside down)

As a bonus the blade gets some cooling. That, in combination with the lack of guide brackets or rear roller results in the blades not heating up much and lasting A LOT longer.

There's a lot to be discovered and liked about this tool. I think you'll get many fun years of good use out of it.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2013, 06:23 AM by jonathan-m »
Festool: 2x MFT/3 // OF-1400 // MFS-400 & 700 // RO-90 // SYS-ROLL // VAC-SYS SET SE1 // CT-ASA CT 26/36/SB // KS 120 EB // UG-L & R //  VECTURO OS 400 EQ-Set  // DSG-AG 125 // DSC-AG 125 // DSC-AG 125 FH
Protool: 2x VCP 260 LE AC // PDP 20-2
Mafell: MT55cc // P1cc // DD40P // Erika 85 Ec

Offline ScotF

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2013, 01:11 PM »
Looking forward to seeing some video clips of this saw in action and the resulting cuts.  Thanks for the info and reviews so far!

Scot

Offline GregBradley

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2013, 09:22 AM »
Between the info jonathan-m sent me in a message a few months ago, and woodie's info here comparing it to his Bosch 1590 using Bosch blades, I can see a P1cc coming my way.

Let's see, if I sell my Trion and four 1590s, I can get the one P1cc as long as I don't need any attachments.

Offline woodie

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2013, 05:38 PM »
Woodie, I'm glad to hear you like what you see so far :) I was a bit worried about the results using it with standard blades. (I personally only use the Cunix blades)
Looking forward to that video and the negatives once the honeymoon phase wears off.

Have you noticed the pendular action? I thought it was quite special. It doesn't come in, until you actually press up to the workpiece. With most saws, the rear roller pushes the blade forward. With this saw the entire head makes the pendular movement. A lot of the precision is achieved right there I think.

I got a chuckle from the "honeymoon phase" comment. I suppose there may be some truth to that  [big grin].

Great points on the orbital action and dust collection too! 


Green - MFT/3, FS 1080/2, FS 1400/2-LR32, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, Parallel Guide Set, CT 26E, CT MIDI, OF1400 EQ, LR32 Drilling Set, MFS 400 Set, MFS 700 Set, Domino DF700 Set, Domino DF500Q Set, C12 NiMH Set, T18+3 Set, 2011 Centrotec Set, RO150 FEQ, RTS400 EQ, LS130 EQ, Planex LHS225, and various accessories

Red - KSS80 EC/370, MT55cc, P1cc, F160, F110 and Aerofix Guide Rails.

Offline woodie

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2013, 05:45 PM »
Between the info jonathan-m sent me in a message a few months ago, and woodie's info here comparing it to his Bosch 1590 using Bosch blades, I can see a P1cc coming my way.

Let's see, if I sell my Trion and four 1590s, I can get the one P1cc as long as I don't need any attachments.

Thankfully the angle base is the only optional attachment.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2013, 05:50 PM by woodie »
Green - MFT/3, FS 1080/2, FS 1400/2-LR32, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, Parallel Guide Set, CT 26E, CT MIDI, OF1400 EQ, LR32 Drilling Set, MFS 400 Set, MFS 700 Set, Domino DF700 Set, Domino DF500Q Set, C12 NiMH Set, T18+3 Set, 2011 Centrotec Set, RO150 FEQ, RTS400 EQ, LS130 EQ, Planex LHS225, and various accessories

Red - KSS80 EC/370, MT55cc, P1cc, F160, F110 and Aerofix Guide Rails.

Offline jonathan-m

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2013, 04:49 AM »
GregBradlley,
I'm not sure I'd get rid of all of them just to buy 1 new one. Unless I'm absolutely no longer satisfied their performance or condition...
The P1cc is a good tool, but it's not like the rest have suddenly become junk.
Anyway, if you do decide to get one, I'd like to hear your impressions though.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2013, 04:54 AM by jonathan-m »
Festool: 2x MFT/3 // OF-1400 // MFS-400 & 700 // RO-90 // SYS-ROLL // VAC-SYS SET SE1 // CT-ASA CT 26/36/SB // KS 120 EB // UG-L & R //  VECTURO OS 400 EQ-Set  // DSG-AG 125 // DSC-AG 125 // DSC-AG 125 FH
Protool: 2x VCP 260 LE AC // PDP 20-2
Mafell: MT55cc // P1cc // DD40P // Erika 85 Ec

Offline Cane94

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2013, 05:46 PM »
I sent back the festool trion jig saw after reading multiple reviews where it sounded like the product was not much different than your run of the mill jigsaw. 3 way guide mechanism, blade guide, etc... I love my festool Sanders and would not trade for anything, but the jigsaw was disappointing. So I took the plunge and bought the mafell p1cc.

Incredible product. I cut intricate corbels in 4" white oak planks and it was like using a bandsaw. Easy blade install, powerful motor, clear line, blade never got dull...worth every penny!

Offline elimelech12

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Re: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2013, 12:22 AM »
This thread has me second guessing my Festool commitment. I have sold my Trion ps300 and pre-ordered the Carvex, but i'm so conflicted right now. Found this video on YouTube.

Sold my tools but kept a few Fes-tools...just in case.