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Offline Iwood75

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Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« on: October 22, 2012, 11:37 PM »
The Makita 10" Sliding Miter Saw #1016L price has been slashed at Home Depot. Two weeks ago, it was reduced from $549 to $399 and today it's down to $349. From all I've heard from FOG, I'm sure I'd prefer the Kapex, but for 1/4 the cost...? Do any of you have experience with this particular Makita? For this past year, nothing has stopped my steady slide down the green slippery slope (TS55, MFT, 3 Guide Rails, ETS150, RO90, Domino + accessories, consumables, etc.) but this HD deal sure has slowed it a bit.

They only have a few left at my local HD so I hope you can help me decide quickly. Home Depot's return policy is even more generous than Festool's.  Ninety days – use it... don't like it... get a full refund. Wow!

Portability is not of concern to me as my miter saw stays in my shop. I know Makita would lose out to the Kapex in the DC competition, but that isn't a big deal to me either.  I'd like to hear reviews on quality of cut and accuracy and how easily and consistently they're achieved. How true and flat are the table and fence, etc.? Runout? Deflection?

Thanks in advance for your helpful input!

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Offline Sometimewoodworker

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 11:42 PM »
I've got an LS 1212 and would replace it with the same saw.
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Offline duburban

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 11:53 PM »
Get it for sure. I'd buy it right now if I had that offer. We're all hard pressed for money but if you could use a new saw get it and shoot for the kapex later.
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Offline joiner1970

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Re: Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 04:21 AM »
Just buy and stop rubbing the noses of us poor non US residents in the dirt :(

That same saw in the UK is the equivalent of $1250 so I would love to get one for $350

Offline Dan Clark

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 04:30 AM »
I bought an LS1016.  While it had some nice features, the laser was a joke and dust collection was abysmal.   But the biggest problem was runout.   So I took it back and got a second one.   Same runout.   So I took it back and bought a Kapex.   Great dust collection and NO runout.

$349?!?   Hmmm...   I wonder why.

Dan.

Offline Claimdude

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 08:36 AM »
I have the model that preceded the 1016L and love it. No run out. Accurate cuts. After a slight mod the dust collection is good. Great price too, I'd jump on it!

Jack

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 11:25 AM »
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$349?!?   Hmmm...   I wonder why.

It's possible they're closing them out. When they have a close out at the BORG, they slash prices until they get to next to nothing and then throw them out.


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Offline Jalvis

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 11:43 AM »
The HD in my area have them down to $425, but I already have the previous Makita model(ls1013fl).  Great saw but I just bought the Kapex so I'm thinking about selling the Makita 10 inch for the Makita 7 1/2" blade saw.....I think its around 28 Lbs and from what I've heard extremely accurate.  I get tired of caring large stuff around and like the idea of something small and light.

Tom:
Home Depot and Lowes do the same thing.  They will cut prices until they get tired of looking at the items and then through whatever is left in the dumpster.  That includes tools, lighting, tile, etc.

Offline Dogwood

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2012, 11:47 AM »
Nowadays I'd say a previous model has as little to do the the saw as comparing a different brand...different manufacturing companies, standards, and price points etc.

Offline skids

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2012, 12:49 PM »
I hear the previous model was alot better. If I were in the market I would get the Hitachi or the Kapex. The current Makita design is not what it used to be.
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Offline Dan Clark

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2012, 01:05 PM »
The previous model was a lot better.   Don't compare the LS1013 with the LS1016.   Very different machines.

Dan.

Offline duburban

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2012, 02:43 PM »
I have the model that preceded the 1016L and love it. No run out. Accurate cuts. After a slight mod the dust collection is good. Great price too, I'd jump on it!

Jack


I have the same saw, Can I see your dust mod?
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me: exactly, it makes simple cuts complicated and complicated cuts simple

Offline andvari

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2012, 02:45 PM »
I bought an LS1016.  While it had some nice features, the laser was a joke and dust collection was abysmal.   But the biggest problem was runout.   So I took it back and got a second one.   Same runout.   So I took it back and bought a Kapex.   Great dust collection and NO runout.

$349?!?   Hmmm...   I wonder why.

Dan.

I have one of these also. I made the mistake of buying it before I found out about Festool. Still it's better than the crummy Delta I used to have. But I'm not going to be putting in crown with it.



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Offline bevans

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2012, 03:06 PM »
I bought one 2 years ago. I could never get it aligned correctly. If you don't care about accurate cuts get it. If you need a more accurate saw you may be wasting your money. I regret the purchase and the saw is relegated to rough cuts only.

Offline GregBradley

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2012, 07:02 PM »
STOP !!!!

I have had 3 Makita Miter saws and currently have just one left, the LS0714

5-6 Years ago I bought the LS1214L. It was a wonderful saw except for horrible dust collection and needing a deep work area. When I finally decided to sell it, I sold it for almost what I paid for it new: $550. I sold it to someone that had recently bought the 1216 and hated it.

He had a LS1214FL but it had been stolen so he bought the current version, LS1216, just 4 months before. It had been returned and replaced with another, which had all the problems of the first one. He was taking the loss on it and upgrading to my 5-6 year old used one of the previous version. He paid $550 for it, MORE than he had paid for the new LS1216.

I'm a big Makita fan in general but DON'T buy a 1016 or 1216.

Offline mastercabman

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2012, 08:30 PM »
I bought an LS1016.  While it had some nice features, the laser was a joke and dust collection was abysmal.   But the biggest problem was runout.   So I took it back and got a second one.   Same runout.   So I took it back and bought a Kapex.   Great dust collection and NO runout.

$349?!?   Hmmm...   I wonder why.

Dan.
I almost got one but when i checked the saw head,it had a lot of play side to side.And i was not putting a whole lot of pressure.
I went back to Woodcraft and got the Kapex,               again! [laughing]
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline Claimdude

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2012, 10:10 PM »
I bought an LS1016.  While it had some nice features, the laser was a joke and dust collection was abysmal.   But the biggest problem was runout.   So I took it back and got a second one.   Same runout.   So I took it back and bought a Kapex.   Great dust collection and NO runout.

$349?!?   Hmmm...   I wonder why.

Dan.

I have one of these also. I made the mistake of buying it before I found out about Festool. Still it's better than the crummy Delta I used to have. But I'm not going to be putting in crown with it.





Dan,

Here ya go. I used instant glue to attach the rubber flap to the sides of the metal housing. There is a Rigid vac in the cabinet below with a delay switch so it sucks pretty hard and would suck the rubber flap together. After gluing the flap sides it works like a champ. No Kapex to be sure but serves me well.


Jack

Offline Iwood75

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2012, 09:59 PM »
Well, I bought the Makita 1016L from HD for $348.00. Took it out of the box to set it up and do some testing, but I didn't get that far.

First thing I noted were deep scratches on the table top. Couldn't have happened in shipping because all the contents were secured in their rightful places and there was nothing remotely near the table area to have caused it. Was the saw used and repackaged? But, I rationalized that I'd probably scratch it soon enough anyway, so I continued. However, what I noted next really bothered me. The saw glided very smoothly on it's bottom rails but was quite "rough" sliding on the top rails. Without even plugging it in, I knew this always bug me so I returned it to HD the next day.

I checked out the Hitachi 12" Slider at Lowe's ($399) but it looks and feels SO cheaply made. Rough, crude castings... too much plastic... way too massive. I could never live happily with it.

Now I'm thinking Bosch Axial Glide 12" GCM12SD. Looking for a live demo. Wish it had a laser. I'm very much the perfectionist and am concerned about deflection with it's new "arm" system. I know it's not a Kapex – but at half the price, I think it deserves serious consideration. Being just a hobbyist now, it's hard to justify spending $1,350 for the Kapex. In my past life, I founded and ran a 22 person graphic design/photography business for 50 years. We always "invested" in the finest computer and camera gear – at whatever the cost – because cost were recouped and then some. Of course, that spoiled the heck out of me. So, it's been extremely difficult trying to make the "maybe second best will do" adjustment.

Thank you for your very insightful, helpful comments. If you can chime in about the Bosch, please do. It will be greatly appreciated too.

Thanks again.  Joel
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Offline mastercabman

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2012, 10:39 PM »
However, what I noted next really bothered me. The saw glided very smoothly on it's bottom rails but was quite "rough" sliding on the top rails. Without even plugging it in, I knew this always bug me so I returned it to HD the next day.
Many people complain about that,but did say that it got better after breaking in.But don't know how much better

Now I'm thinking Bosch Axial Glide 12" GCM12SD. Looking for a live demo. Wish it had a laser. I'm very much the perfectionist and am concerned about deflection with it's new "arm" system. I know it's not a Kapex – but at half the price, I think it deserves serious consideration. Being just a hobbyist now, it's hard to justify spending $1,350 for the Kapex. In my past life, I founded and ran a 22 person graphic design/photography business for 50 years. We always "invested" in the finest computer and camera gear – at whatever the cost – because cost were recouped and then some. Of course, that spoiled the heck out of me. So, it's been extremely difficult trying to make the "maybe second best will do" adjustment.

Thank you for your very insightful, helpful comments. If you can chime in about the Bosch, please do. It will be greatly appreciated too.
The Bosch is nice,but make sure you know about the weight,pretty heavy machine.

Thanks again.  Joel
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline Jaybolishes

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2012, 10:57 PM »
The reviews on the 1016l no matter where you go are not good.  I went with the Bosch axial and this saw is just fantastic.  I find it hilarious at my local Lowes they have over ten saws you can look at and get your hands on them to see them work, but the Bosch axial sits above shoulder height way up on a shelf by itself where you can only look at it.  I put a $20 oshlun laser on it and can't believe how perfect the laser lines up with a tiny mark.  Its so accurate with the washer style laser that i want to kick myself for not always having one on my previous saws.  This saw just has to be the best saw other than maybe a kapex, every carpenter or person who has gotten to try my axial out have all been very impressed.  It glides so smooth it's scary and the bevel being up front is a real step above my dewalt which forced you to reach to the back. It can't really be beat and I've used and owned many brands.  Don't listen to detractors, just get it and see for yourself.  I was so close to getting the kapex but I always want a 12" blade. As for the weight of the axial, I'm 5'11 165 pounds and I move it all the time no problem.  But if you do have a bad back I could see it being tough because this sucker is big.  Personally I love the heavy duty nature of it, it's fallen and tumbled down stairs and off my trailers shelf during transport and it didn't phase it, so the durability is well worth the weight IMHO.
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Offline duburban

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2012, 07:46 AM »
i want the bosch axial 10", if they made one...
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Offline Jaybolishes

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2012, 08:36 AM »
I bet Bosch has one in the works, because that is always what people say, my brother and a buddy of mine included.  The arm sliding system is so cool, my old dewalt wasn't too hard to slide, but this saw makes it seem incredibly clunky.

Offline Iwood75

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2012, 11:00 AM »
What about any runout or accuracy issues with the Bosch? The weight would not be an issue with me as it will stay in the shop. However, I can't compromise on cut accuracy and repeatability, etc.
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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2012, 12:33 PM »
I read about that issue somewhere, but it has been dead on.  Return it if you do find this an issue, but it has been perfect.
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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2012, 03:33 PM »
Hi!

This is a what Bosch has come up with. Pretty cool I think. Don't know about the DC but it looks pretty good with just the dustbag.



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Offline Kev

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2012, 05:36 AM »
I haven't liked any of the Makita compound mitre saws ... some of their tools I like, but not these - don't know the 1016 specifically.

If I was going to try and save money from a KAPEX, I'd go Hitachi ... if not Bosch.

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2012, 06:40 AM »
I bought the 10" makita. It was ROUGH! I mean it was as if the blade was wobbly. It barely made it through hardwood.
I brought it back and returned it.
I say buy it as long as you can bring it back.
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Offline Jaybolishes

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2012, 09:06 AM »
Viking, the dust collection isn't that great at all.  Don't expect it to have as little dust being thrown up as in this video.  I put a zero clearance insert and tossed the one that came with the saw, the one that comes with it is way too widely spaced, this cut on a lot of the thrown dust.  I also made my own larger dust shroud out of thin plastic, because the dust was flying under the black one it came with.  Even with these easy mods it still throws a bit of dust, don't expect what you see in the video, and don't think it is as good at dust control as the kapex.  But it does help that's for sure.  The saw came slightly off 90 degrees on the miter when I received it, but adjusting that was very easy.  Dust collection is my only complaint, but frankly it is no worse than the my old dewalt saw shown in the video.  Which reminds me, the number one reason I bought the Bosch axial is because you can push it so close to the wall.  I wanted it to fit on the  workbench in my enclosed trailer, and this thing must be the smallest footprint front to back of any saw.  My dewalt only had 3 inches of counter space left to place wood, the Bosch has about 12 inches, such a great design.  I installed a dust tent thingy behind the saw to encapsulate the dust, it was dusty with just the vac hooked to the dust port. If I'm outside or in a larger space the dust doesn't bother me though.
  The miter detent override is the biggest help.  I hate it when you want to set the saw just left or right of the detent and it slides into the detent.  This should be on every saw.
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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2012, 10:12 AM »
I bought an LS1016.  While it had some nice features, the laser was a joke and dust collection was abysmal.   But the biggest problem was runout.   So I took it back and got a second one.   Same runout.   So I took it back and bought a Kapex.   Great dust collection and NO runout.

$349?!?   Hmmm...   I wonder why.

Dan.

If i was Joey that would mean it has a brilliant dust collection  [big grin]    

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Re: Makita 1016L... hard to resist
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2012, 10:33 AM »
Thanks for that!

Peter