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Offline Jerry Work

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New sharpening system - off topic, long
« on: April 13, 2007, 11:25 AM »
Hi all,

While it is off topic for this forum I thought you would like to know about a terrific new hand cutting tool sharpening system being introduced by the same folks who make the well regarded Drill Doctor line of drill bit sharpening machines.  The new machine is called "Work Sharp".  I have just completed the "Getting the most......" manual for them and it is undergoing internal review now.  I am not trying to "hype" this machine, only to inform. 

Over the decades I think I have tried most every machine, gizmo, jig and fixture known to man kind (grin).  This one is head and shoulders above the rest if your objective is to get a very, very sharp tool quickly and keep it that way every time you use it. If ones objective is to experience the Zen of sharpening and the process of sharpening is more important than using really sharp hand cutting tools, then this tool will ruin their day. It simply produces a nearly "perfect" edge every time, time after time, makes no mess doing so (it is air cooled, not water or oil cooled) and requires no add on jigs or fixtures.

The machine spins a 150mm very flat float glass plate 10mm thick horizontally.  You use pressure sensitive abrasives and can use any grit sequence you like even going lower than one micron (one millionth of a meter) if you wish to work with media that fine.  A tool rest below the plate references flat backed cutting tools like chisels and plane blades off of their flat back and machines the bevel from the bottom side of the glass plate. That leaves the top portion of the glass plate wide open for flattening the back of these tools. The plates turn at 580RPM so burning is not an issue. A leather covered glass plate is available for those who want to polish the back or bevel edge to a mirror finish. In normal use the chisel or plane blade (up to 2" wide) is positioned by a fixed and a moving fence on the bottom tool rest to be exactly 90 degrees to the under side plane of the glass plate. A nice micro skew adjustment is present to allow you to dial this in as close to 90 degrees as you wish to measure. The bevel angle is set by a tooth and notch cast into two metal parts. The tooth registers off of both sides of the notch so the angle is very repeatable. The bed of the tool rest is also a heat sink and is covered with an abrasive. You hold the cutting tool flat on the tool rest, push it up against the abrasive for a second or two, then retract it 10mm or so, and repeat this process enough times to remove the scratch marks left by the previous grit used. As you march up through the grits, in any steps you want to use and to any final grit step, the wire edge is constantly being removed as it forms, rather than all at once after you finish as it is with some systems. As a result, it is easy to get the back really flat to begin with, keep it that way and remove the fine wire edge as you go leaving a very nice edge indeed. No need for a micro bevel but you can easily add one if you really want to.

Four different sharpening methods are incorporated; using the built in adjustable lower tool rest and the bottom edge of the glass plate with pressure sensitive abrasives attached, using the upper surface of the glass plates with the pressure sensitive abrasives attached either with the tool to be sharpened held flat or via an included upper tool rest, or through a port on the rear of the machine using very clever slotted wheels and abrasives. As the slotted wheel spins you can see right through the slots so you are looking down on the cutting edge as it is being formed. It doesn't take much practice to
produce really outstanding results on things like lathe and carving tools that have odd or compound bevel angles or curved cutting surfaces like finger nail gouges.

The glass plates and/or the leather strop plate and/or the slotted see through plate can be mounted, flipped and dismounted in less time than it takes to describe.

Sorry for the long off topic post but this is the first sharpening system I have been willing to write about.  It is that good.  And, it sits comfortably under the price point of other such systems so it is good and a relative bargain to boot.

Jerry
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Offline Doug Anders

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 12:42 PM »
Thanks for the info...after reading your post I went to the woodmagazine.com website where there is a video demonstration of the Work Sharp tool in action...between your recommendation and watching the thing in action at woodmagazine.com, I'll be about $200 lighter in the wallet this weekend.

Doug

Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 01:00 PM »
That does look like a nice solution to sharpening!  I'd love something like this for my chisels.

Below is a link to a demonstration video.  By the way, notice the Festool Systainer in the background!

Here's the link:
Work Sharp Video.

Matthew
« Last Edit: April 13, 2007, 01:04 PM by Matthew Schenker »
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Offline Dan Lyke

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 01:02 PM »
I'm just back from a trip up through Oregon where we happened on Jerry's shop and spent quite a while looking at his awesome work and talking with him.

And we also saw this sharpener on his workbench where he was taking pictures of it for the manual. I don't have that many hand tools yet (and may end up signing myself up for six days of work a week for the next year, which'd make my need for hand tools that much lower...) and I was really impressed by this tool.

Maybe I was just channeling Jerry's enthusiasm, but that could be the tool that relegates the DMT diamond stones to the kitchen (where they've always been awesome).
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Offline bill-e

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 01:37 PM »
Jerry,

It is interesting and looks like a combination of the current disc sharpeners and the JoolTool see through disc sharpener.

I was wondering about abrasive life when using the port as it seems like your limited to working with just a small portion of the disc, maybe a half inch or so.  Is there any way to reposition the port so you use a different part of the disc?

Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2007, 04:13 PM »
Everyone,
I think this is a fine post, but it does belong in the "Off-Topic" area, so I am going to move it there shortly.
Thanks,
Matthew
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Offline Dan Clark

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 05:54 PM »
Jerry,

This looks very interesting.  How does this compare with the Veritas Power Shapening System?   Also, the paper looks expensive.  How long does it last?  Finally, when will they have the accessory available that allows you to sharpen blades wider than 2 inches?

FYI, it's available from Rockler for $199.    Also the accessories and consumables look to be about 10-25% cheaper at Rockler than on the company website.

Thanks,

Dan.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2007, 07:46 PM by Dan Clark »

Offline markrcarlson@gmail.com

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 07:02 PM »
Jerry,

I'm interested and looking forward to your manual.  I have a tormek which I like but dont love.  Too many accesseries.  I also hate dealing with the water aspect of the system.  Too messy and the tormek is never ready to go when I need to sharpen just the chisel I'm using.   I usually break the tormek out, set it up and sharpen everything.

~mark

Offline Dave Rudy

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2007, 08:42 PM »
Thanks for the info...after reading your post I went to the woodmagazine.com website where there is a video demonstration of the Work Sharp tool in action...between your recommendation and watching the thing in action at woodmagazine.com, I'll be about $200 lighter in the wallet this weekend.

Doug

$200 plus a few accessories.  And I didnt wait for the weekend but made a trip to Rockler this afternoon (sigh) -- had to invade the Kapex cookie jar, but I figure there's still time to replenish.

Any strong recommendation from Jerry is good enough for me. . .

Dave

Offline Brian Gray

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 10:37 PM »
I'd like to second the inquiry regarding sharpening blades wider than 2".
Is there an attachment available now?  Will they make this?

Also, is there any way to tune the tool rest so that your tool is adjustable as it is presented at a perfect 90 degree angle to the abrasive wheel?  I assume that as is, the tool rest is pretty well tuned, but is it adjustable?

Looks VERY intriguing, and the price makes it even more attractive.

Offline Jerry Work

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 11:48 AM »


Hi all,

The abrasives are standard pressure sensitive materials available from any auto paint store in sheet or 6" diameter form so they are relatively inexpensive.  The prices from Work Sharp are very competitive, too.  The abrasive lasts a long time if you use the included rubber eraser type cleaner stick between uses.  Blades wider than 2" are sharpened off of the top rest without the benefit of the auto bevel angle setting.  By using the inner, rather than outer fixed portion of the fence on the lower sharpening port you can use most of the surface of the abrasives.  There is a very nicely executed micro skew adjustment on the lower fence (sharpening port) so you can dial in 90 degrees as accurately as you can measure.  I can't comment on how this unit compares to others unless I have actually tested and use the others.  What I can say is any unit which orients the plane blade or chisel off of the front (bevel side) face instead of the flat back like this one does will not provide the critical feature of being able to establish the same exact bevel angle use after use like this one does.

Jerry

I'd like to second the inquiry regarding sharpening blades wider than 2".
Is there an attachment available now?  Will they make this?

Also, is there any way to tune the tool rest so that your tool is adjustable as it is presented at a perfect 90 degree angle to the abrasive wheel?  I assume that as is, the tool rest is pretty well tuned, but is it adjustable?

Looks VERY intriguing, and the price makes it even more attractive.
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed and hand crafted by Jerry Work
in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
in historic Kerby, OR. 
26 mi SW of Grants Pass on US 199, The Redwood Highway
Visitors always welcome!
http://jerrywork.com
glwork@mac.com

Offline Brian Gray

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 12:00 PM »
It looks like a great system, Jerry...thanks for answering my questions.

It's not necessary for me, but the next time I have $200 and nothing to do with it....

Offline tvgordon

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2008, 07:38 PM »
Jerry,
I was on the WorkSharp website and your website but didn't see a link to your manual.  Am I overlooking it or is it just not out yet?  I found the WorkSharp on sale for $175 today and bought one.  I sharpened a chisel in just a couple of minutes (edge wasn't real bad to start with).  So far I like the machine but still would like to read your manual to get the most out of my new tool.

Tom.

Offline Daviddubya

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 08:30 PM »
Jerry,
I was on the WorkSharp website and your website but didn't see a link to your manual.  Am I overlooking it or is it just not out yet?  I found the WorkSharp on sale for $175 today and bought one.  I sharpened a chisel in just a couple of minutes (edge wasn't real bad to start with).  So far I like the machine but still would like to read your manual to get the most out of my new tool.

Tom.


I'd like to print the manual also, so I hope Jerry replies.

Tom - where did you find the Work Sharp for $175, please?  Thanks.
David W. Falkenstein
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Offline tvgordon

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2008, 04:30 PM »
One of the area woodworking stores was having a weekend sale.  They had many manufacturer's reps but nobody was demonstrating the WorkSharp and I didn't see the Festool rep either (maybe only there Friday and Saturday?).  I'll watch the ads and let you know if I find it for that price again.

Tom.

Offline Jerry Work

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2008, 12:38 PM »
Hi David,

I have been out of pocket for a bit and just saw this post.  The WorkSharp folks originally inteded to do a Christmas promo featuring the manual.  Those plans didn't materialize and the last I heard from them was they were now going to post it on their web site but were switching web hosting cos. so didn't know when.  Best info I have on this one.  I'm sorry it did not become available day one as I do think it would help a lot of folks.  But, that is how it goes.  Once I release a manual to the sponsor distribution is largely out of my hands.

Jerry

Jerry,
I was on the WorkSharp website and your website but didn't see a link to your manual.  Am I overlooking it or is it just not out yet?  I found the WorkSharp on sale for $175 today and bought one.  I sharpened a chisel in just a couple of minutes (edge wasn't real bad to start with).  So far I like the machine but still would like to read your manual to get the most out of my new tool.

Tom.


I'd like to print the manual also, so I hope Jerry replies.

Tom - where did you find the Work Sharp for $175, please?  Thanks.
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed and hand crafted by Jerry Work
in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
in historic Kerby, OR. 
26 mi SW of Grants Pass on US 199, The Redwood Highway
Visitors always welcome!
http://jerrywork.com
glwork@mac.com

Offline markrcarlson@gmail.com

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2008, 01:48 PM »
The Getting the Most out of the Work Sharp Sharpening System by Jerry Work is now available on the worksharptools.com website under support.

http://www.worksharptools.com/ftproot/Work-Sharp-shop-setup-manual-lowrez.pdf

Offline Jim Kirkpatrick

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2008, 03:52 PM »
I recently purchased one of these and until I did,  was all thumbs when it came to sharpening.  It works GREAT!  If you buy one though, get an extra glass wheel, you'll need one for every grit.  The downside to it is the abrasives are pricey.  What's nice about it is that because the honing guide is built into it, you can sharpen a whole line of chisels before changing grits.  Very nice touch.   I recommend it highly.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2009, 01:46 PM by Stoolman »

Offline joraft

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2008, 03:54 PM »
After seeing several demos and thinking it over for a long time, I decided to get a Tormek. It will arrive in a couple days.

I just hope I didn't make a bad choice.


John



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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2008, 04:42 PM »
joyraft

you did not make the wrong descision at all, it is an awsome machine

your version the T7 has a seven year warranty which covers industrial/commercial use

this warranty is unique in the uk

7 years is unheard of here, a year max on ANYTHING, excluding festool's 3 years (although i note that a few of the other german manufacturers are following suit)

but a commercial warranty as well................................. 



i have the lower model T2006 at 270 pounds   (the green one) bought only 2 weeks ago

it was a replacement for my sheppach T2500 because i couldnt buy a spare honing wheel from sheppach, totally rediculous

tormeck on the otherhand, you can get everything easily and quickly



i didnt get the T7 because of it was 100 quid more expensive and i didnt need all the jigs and bits they supply with it right at this moment
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Offline joraft

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2008, 04:55 PM »

i didnt get the T7 because of it was 100 quid more expensive and i didnt need all the jigs and bits they supply with it right at this moment



Yep, expensive like a Festool, but I ordered it because it does come with everything (almost), and I'm not sure what I'll need.

It looks like the Work Sharp is better for sharpening on the fly. Less setup time. But I generally get everything together for sharpening all at once anyway.

I also think the consumables may be less on the Tormek.


John
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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2008, 05:28 PM »
if its your first time out with a professional sharpening system and arnt totally sure what you will and wont need

your choice was the correct one

i had the sheppach system so already knew my own requirements



in fact i did it the most expensive way possible (because of lack of knowledge), i started with oil stones for a long time, then went with a record roller guage

then diamond stones, finer and finer grit

later a veritas roller guage and then ended up with a ceramic 10,000 grit stone.........................

what an edge that gives...................... simply the sharpest thing on the planet




the sheppach was the first REAL system that made sense to me, 10 to 12 chisels and block plane to keep up to date

the edge isnt anywhere near as good as the 10,000 grit ceramic

BUT i could still shave my arm with the result, even with the crap honing paste sheppach sell



then came the tormek with tormek honing paste
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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2008, 05:37 PM »
could tormek be improved............................yes, but it would be EXPENSIVE

how................................... replace the leather honing wheel with a 10,000 grit ceramic stone


would i buy a tormek 10,000 grit honing stone. YES YES and thrice times YES


do i expect it to happen, no because its SO good already
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Offline joraft

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2008, 05:40 PM »

if its your first time out with a professional sharpening system and arnt totally sure what you will and wont need

your choice was the correct one



It is my first time with such a system, and from the demos it looks like the Tormek may have wide range of uses for me. Of course, for my woodworking tools, plus my garden shears, and for my treasured chef's knives.



John
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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2008, 05:58 PM »
as i understand it flat horizontal run stones cant deal with long blades such as chefs knives

so it would seem the tormek system is THE ultimate system for you



long knives AND chisel / plane blades

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Offline Tom Bainbridge

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2008, 06:09 PM »
as for the gentlemen here who have gone for horizontal flat grinders

your logic is just as sound, just different usage

and aparantly cheaper, which is sound logic as well
« Last Edit: June 05, 2008, 06:52 PM by dirtydeeds »
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Offline Don T

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2008, 12:40 AM »
After seeing several demos and thinking it over for a long time, I decided to get a Tormek. It will arrive in a couple days.

I just hope I didn't make a bad choice.


John


I think you made a good choice.  That is what I own and I just love it.  I never been able to get my tools razor sharp with so little effort.  I also sharpen all of our kitchen knives and scissors.  IMHO it is the best sharpener on the market.
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Offline Deke

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Re: New sharpening system - off topic, long
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2009, 07:25 AM »
Thanks for the manual Jerry. I have had the Worksharp for a few months and while I am getting pretty good results I have no doubt I can learn more - chisels and planes. I am finding that it would be a good thing to have a slow speed grinder for getting a square edge on chisels that are really beat up and I hate to wear away on the WS disks for this type of thing.

I'd like to hear what combinations of grist other people use. I have three disks and sometimes I feel there are too many choices. Maybe I should read Jerry's manual first! :-)