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Offline Mario Turcot

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Nova Voyager Drill Press
« on: August 21, 2018, 09:23 AM »
Any one have any experience with the Nova voyager drill press? I currently have a cheap bench drill press and I am sick of it. Next to zero accuracy a pita to change speed and it feels like everything is going to fell apart when running.

I watched several videos of the Nova Voyager and I am wondering if what they claim is real  [eek]

Also if you have experience with it do you think a keyless chuck would be a good idea despite the fact that the reverse feature would not be of much use.

Thanks!
Mario

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2018, 09:36 AM »
I just found out this new feature;

Power Spindle Hold (for keyless chucks)
A new feature which has been introduced is the “Powered Spindle Hold” function which powers and holds
the spindle for 30 seconds, freeing up one hand to hold the drill bit and tighten the chuck.
NOTE: This function applies 11% of the maximum motor power to the spindle when tightening
To access the Powered Spindle Hold function, go to Menu > Advance Modes and select the Pwrd Spindle
Hold function. To activate the hold, press the button while the following screen is displayed.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2018, 09:44 AM »
Good morning Mario. Do a search here of the FOG.
There was a post about the drill press ~18 months ago.
Rick
Have you walked your saw today?

Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2018, 10:34 AM »
I have one.  Purchased around the first of the year.  I like it a lot.  The 50 RPM to 5000 RPM infinitely variable speed is great with the turn of the dial.  Digital depth readout in digital or fractions.  I use the hole depth auto stop, the speed control, the various drilling modes for speed based on bit size (forstner, metal, etc).  I have not tried the auto tapping mode but will. 

There have been two software updates since I purchased.  You plug a Windows machine into the unit and download their update utility.  It will also update the SW with a Mac IF you are running a windows emulator on it, which is what I do.

The standard chuck doesn't quite go down small enough for a 1/16" bit, so I changed out the chuck with one from Amazon.  But I've found runout to be minimal and the tool to be great to use.  It is keyless and I replaced it with a Chinese import keyless that is accurate.

Yes the keyless auto hold is a cool feature too.  For larger bits I use it but have found sizes below 3/8 in wood work with a hand tightening of the chuck.

Fit and finish are great.  It does take two people to assemble and get the motor on the column.  I upgraded from a 20 year old Delta and the difference is night and day in performance, torque, accuracy, etc.  I made a custom top for it using Woodpecker's components for a fence, T-tracks, etc.

neil
« Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 10:36 AM by neilc »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2018, 10:36 AM »
The Nova Voyager is a great machine. With the push button speed changes and a keyless chuck you can work very quickly. Once you get used to using the dp that pre-programmed 30 second hold will seem like an eternity. I’d consider it a drag rather than a feature. You can tighten a non-keyless chuck in less time.

Get a keyles chuck that allows you to mechanically tighten also so you can make use of the reverse feature when tapping metal.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2018, 10:39 AM »
It is possible for one person to assemble but get help if you can.

Bought mine early 2017. The features I needed were only available via the first sw update. Had a deadline and wasn’t familiar with sw emulation on Mac so I just bought a cheap PC. Have not done the second update.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 10:43 AM by Michael Kellough »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2018, 11:39 AM »
Once you get used to using the dp that pre-programmed 30 second hold will seem like an eternity. I’d consider it a drag rather than a feature. You can tighten a non-keyless chuck in less time.

Get a keyles chuck that allows you to mechanically tighten also so you can make use of the reverse feature when tapping metal.

Ya, I wouldn't get too excited about that feature. It'll definitely slow you down and rapidly become a nuisance.

I have an old Delta that I put an Albrecht keyless chuck on. I just hold the chuck with one hand and tighten with the other hand, you don't need to use much force. It literally takes me less than 2 seconds to tighten the chuck. The Albrecht chuck tightens itself when you're drilling.

Presently, I'm drilling 13/32" through-holes in schedule 80 steel pipe with just a quick twist of the chuck.

So, chuck up a 1/4" bit, tighten, drill pilot hole, loosen, chuck up the 13/32" bit, tighten, drill through-hole, loosen and move to the next hole.  [big grin]  The keyless chuck is a god send.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 12:04 PM by Cheese »

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2018, 11:43 AM »
I upgraded from a 20 year old Delta and the difference is night and day in performance, torque, accuracy, etc. 

Just curious Neil what model Delta you owned?

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2018, 01:11 PM »
Rick, I did search on Nova Voyager and found/read a few threads. However what I am looking for is people that have worked with the drill press and gather their impression on the subject... thanks.

Thanks Neil and Micheal for your inputs. I have mine in the SUV and plan to unpack and stare at it tonight, than start the assembly a few days from now  [eek]
Mario

Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2018, 02:17 PM »
I upgraded from a 20 year old Delta and the difference is night and day in performance, torque, accuracy, etc. 

Just curious Neil what model Delta you owned?

I no longer have it.  Think it was a 10 or 12" benchtop model.  Don't know the number. 
« Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 02:22 PM by neilc »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2018, 02:37 PM »
Solo assembly,
put pole in stand
Add table mount and rack collars (and leave parked right on top of base so you won’t have to lift so much of it later)
Lay pole on side on an adjustable riser (I used a cardboard box so it could be crushed to get top of pole to height of head)
Place head unit on folded packing blanket on dolly (folded blanket is another adjustable shim)
Roll head/dolly to pole and wiggle into place (leave head at wacky rotation so you can tighten set screw without leaving a mark anywhere near final rotation)
Lift assembly upright (easier said than done)
Loosen head set screw and rotate to suit base
Re-tighten set screw
Raise table mount and add rack
Add table (at this point I realized the table mount was upside down and had to lay it down and start over, easier the second time) [embarassed]

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2018, 02:51 PM »
Mario,

I just found this

What a drill press!

Did you get yours from King Canada?

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2018, 03:06 PM »
I pondered doing what Michael suggested with my Delta drill press.  But looking at the 4 tiny bolts that hold the flange to the thin casting on the base, I decided it wasn't worth the risk.  With my luck, the casting would crack and the head would drop on my foot!
 With an extra set of hands, it was very easy to lift the head over the post. 
-Raj

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2018, 04:41 PM »
The connection of the pole to the base is robust on the Voyager. The weak point is the way the head attaches to the pole.

The pole is a cast iron pipe that has been ground round on the outside. The remaining wall thickness is much less than I’d like. What’s worse, instead of a clamp connection the head has an oversized hole that slides over the pole and is “secured” by a single set screw. Really wanky in my opinion but it seems to work okay.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2018, 12:36 AM »
@Michael Kellough
The connection of the pole to the base is robust on the Voyager. The weak point is the way the head attaches to the pole.

The pole is a cast iron pipe that has been ground round on the outside. The remaining wall thickness is much less than I’d like. What’s worse, instead of a clamp connection the head has an oversized hole that slides over the pole and is “secured” by a single set screw. Really wanky in my opinion but it seems to work okay.

My head have two set crews

I know I will look dumb for asking but what is that key for?
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 07:58 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2018, 12:40 AM »
@ChuckM  I bought it from a local store called Ottawa Fastener Supply. The Nova Voyager drill press and lathe are distributed by King Canada Industrial. The drill press was 1999 + our famous taxes that bring it to 2250... Some times I wish I live in Alberta  [big grin]

That's one sweet drill press with a ton of features. I am now looking at drill press jigs so if you have any suggestions let me know.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 08:13 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2018, 12:50 AM »
Pickup time - Fit nicely in the SUV

Getting the monster parts on the abomination table

Leveling the base

Attaching the column

Checking handle clearance

Attaching the table


Still have to set the head. It's ~100lbs and I really don't want to drop it. Will do it tomorrow with some help  [smile]
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 08:00 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2018, 01:25 AM »
Still have to set the head. It's ~100lbs and I really don't want to drop it. Will do it tomorrow with some help  [smile]
Assemble it horizontally on the floor and than lift the hole thing upright. Attach the table last.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2018, 01:46 AM »
Assemble it horizontally on the floor and than lift the hole thing upright. Attach the table last.

I’m with Svar again on this one (I hate it when that happens). I assembled a 400# plus Delta drill press horizontally on the floor and simply attached it to a come-along mounted to the floor joists and just raised it into place. Easy-peasy.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2018, 08:09 AM »
Still have to set the head. It's ~100lbs and I really don't want to drop it. Will do it tomorrow with some help  [smile]
Assemble it horizontally on the floor and than lift the hole thing upright. Attach the table last.

From the last picture you can tell it was late last night, around midnight when I closed the shop. I will try that today if I cannot get my son's help. He is in weight lifting so i thought it would be an easy and safe task for him. Thinking about it, that's how I assemble the band saw and it was darn easy and pretty much the same weight ~300lbs
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2018, 08:10 AM »
Mario you’re going to love this drill press...I really like it! I have plywood bolted to both table and bottom-helps me attach jigs,fence, etc. It’s smooth, quiet and powerful....I do hope nothing burns out as I forget and leave the power switch ON (on the side) more than I’d like to admit
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2018, 08:34 AM »
@Mario Turcot I'm definitely interested in this drill press and may pull the trigger in the next few weeks. Curious to know - what do you think the weight of the head of the drill press is. My son is 9 so I don't think he'll be much help lifting it..... Thanks in advance!

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2018, 08:40 AM »
@PeterJJames13

@Mario Turcot I'm definitely interested in this drill press and may pull the trigger in the next few weeks. Curious to know - what do you think the weight of the head of the drill press is. My son is 9 so I don't think he'll be much help lifting it..... Thanks in advance!

The head is definitively over 100lbs. It's an odd shape to lift and the top of the column sits at about 5'6". For me it's at the mustache level  [big grin]. Lifting 100lbs over your shoulders is not something terribly hard but the shape of the head lead me to be extra cautious. I will try the horizontal way to avoid any frustration. A pulley system would make it a joke but I have no way to hook anything from my closed ceiling. also two people make this a breeze.
I hope I can turn on the power tonight and give it a try  [big grin]

P.S. Ask your son to hold your cup of coffee and watch  [embarassed]
Note: If he show some interest, cease every opportunity to show some "how to" to your son.. I have two sons, 25 and 22 and I always do my best to transfer my knowledge to them  [smile]
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 08:57 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2018, 08:44 AM »
Mario you’re going to love this drill press...I really like it! I have plywood bolted to both table and bottom-helps me attach jigs,fence, etc. It’s smooth, quiet and powerful....I do hope nothing burns out as I forget and leave the power switch ON (on the side) more than I’d like to admit

I know exactly what you mean... thanks for the reminder. i may setup a strobe  to prevent memory leak  [eek]

I will definitively build a cabinet to fit under the table for accessories. Would like to see picture of your jigs  [wink]

Also if any one know of a quality keyless chuck. From what I read it's a jacob type II but I know next to nothing about chucks  [scared]
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 08:48 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2018, 09:31 AM »
 Ask your son to hold your cup of coffee and watch  [embarassed]
Note: If he show some interest, cease every opportunity to show some "how to" to your son.. I have two sons, 25 and 22 and I always do my best to transfer my knowledge to them  [smile]
[/quote]

Wiser words were never spoken. My father was always a perfectionist, thus not wanting kids to help him for fear of not achieving perfection. In Cub Scouts the past year, I helped my son and his den build bat boxes. It MAY have sparked something in him. So fast forward and I'm building racks for my fourth of July show and he was there helping a bit. Even more so when it came time to take everything apart. He's got drilling down pretty good for a kid his age. Definitely plan on building on that foundation. You should have seen the look on his face when I opened up the CXS - "Daddy, is this for me?????" Well....it's for both of us, son lol. Appreciate the feedback.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 09:33 AM by PeterJJames13 »

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2018, 09:36 AM »
You should have seen the look on his face when I opened up the CXS - "Daddy, is this for me?????" Well....it's for both of us, son lol. Appreciate the feedback.

Got me chuckle on that one  [big grin]
Mario

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2018, 09:48 AM »
Hey Mario, I thought this was interesting. [big grin]

I was at the Nova website because I'm interested in possibly purchasing the Nova Vulcan metal drill press. I was reading the reviews on the Nova Voyager and this popped up...

Everything fits together well, and I had no problems with assembly. I am 68 years old, but in good shape, and I had no problem moving most pieces. I did have to rig the machine head from the floor joist above, using a come-along and nylon rope. I should say that I have rigging experience, and did so, so that the ropes hung on the metal parts of the head only. The head slipped onto the post without problems.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2018, 09:58 AM »
Also if any one know of a quality keyless chuck. From what I read it's a jacob type II but I know next to nothing about chucks  [scared]

I like Albrecht keyless chucks. They really, really work well, a bit more expensive but worth the extra money...German.
I use them on both my metal drill press and metal lathe. You can find them used on eBay for 1/2 to 1/3 their new purchase price.

http://www.albrecht-germany.com/en/products/1stdrill-chuck/morse-taper/
 

Offline neilc

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2018, 10:37 AM »
Mario

Here's the stand I made for my Voyager drill press.

Drawers are on full extension slides.  Rear sides have adjustable shelves for additional storage. 
Mobile with four fixed wheels to pull forward.
Rubber pads can be screwed down to hold the unit in place under the press, though it does not move with them up.

I purchased the wheels and pads from McMaster.com

Wheels - https://www.mcmaster.com/#2781t72/=1e9mktj
Pads - https://www.mcmaster.com/#6103k167/=1e9ml41

Photos:













The table was made from phenolic ply.  I cut out the right rear corner to give me maximum table size but still allow the table adjustment to work.

Light is a magnetic base from Lee Valley that attaches to the fence.

* Drill Press Cabinet.pdf (110.56 kB - downloaded 70 times.)

Sketchup Plans are available on the 3D Warehouse. HERE

They are also attached as a zip file below.

neil





Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2018, 10:41 AM »
Wow  [eek] that's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for sharing.

I was just looking at that

and didn't like the idea of having a plain cabinet under the table. But yours as a mobile cabinet that fit nicely on the column is fantastic. Great work  [thumbs up]

Thanks again!
Mario

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2018, 10:50 AM »
@neilc

I'm still shocked by your cabinet  [big grin] printed the PDF already.

Q: Where to find phenolic ply?

Much appreciated.

Drill Press Accessories List
Storage cabinet: checked
Adjustable table with fence and stops: xxx
Various jigs: xxx
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 11:08 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2018, 10:52 AM »
@ChuckM  I bought it from a local store called Ottawa Fastener Supply. The Nova Voyager drill press and lathe are distributed by King Canada Industrial. The drill press was 1999 + our famous taxes that bring it to 2250... Some times I wish I live in Alberta  [big grin]

That's one sweet drill press with a ton of features. I am now looking at drill press jigs so if you have any suggestions let me know.

Yes, the drill press can be had a little cheaper here because of tax difference (https://www.kmstools.com/king-industrial-nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press-144804).

A drill press in my opinion is more a machinist machine by itself, and the first thing I would add to any drill press for woodworking is a drill press table with fence. I got mine from Lee Valley: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=63315&cat=1,240,41060

I like the replacement inserts, dirt cheap, but you can make your own if so desired. The clamp is functional, but I am planning to see if I can replace it with one of these: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=70864&cat=1,43838,70865

Your new drill press is no doubt a Rolls Royce class of drilling machine. I am not doing a lot of boring jobs in my type of woodworking; otherwise it would be on the top of my shopping/wish list.

Regarding help for lifting heavy items, how come no one mentioned about neighbours?! When I needed help with my SawStop installation (the manual recommends three persons), I grabbed my next door neighbour (he brought along his visiting dad who was helping him with some deck work). In under two minutes (including my verbal explanation of what to do), the saw was mounted on its mobile base.


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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2018, 10:53 AM »

Here's the stand I made for my Voyager drill press.


Nice stand Neil... [thumbs up] [thumbs up] That makes so much sense for storage and yet you don't lose the capabilities inherent in a floor mounted drill press.  [big grin]

I also like where you mounted the Woodpeckers DP3 fence. Mine is on the floor and I'm always tripping over it.  [sad]

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2018, 11:37 AM »
Mario

Phenolic Ply...  Amazon carries it. I bought mine from Woodcraft locally.

I googled Phenolic Ply Canada and there are several sources listed as well

Neil

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2018, 11:59 AM »
@Mario Turcot I’ll second the Albrecht chuck. Makes a world of difference. I’ve got the 1/16 to 1/2 inch one. That can usually be had on eBay for around 125 to 150 used.

Look for a listing that gives you a good photo of the working end so you can see if the jaws are in good shape. You can get kits to replace the guys completely but need to factor that into the price you’ll pay.


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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2018, 01:51 PM »
Mario

Phenolic Ply...  Amazon carries it. I bought mine from Woodcraft locally.

I googled Phenolic Ply Canada and there are several sources listed as well

Neil

I searched several times to find a local source. Some local kitchen cabinet distributors can get you the phenolic ply but you have to order a minimum, they do not stock any. The closest Woodcraft is at 190 miles  [eek]
All I can find on amazon is similar result for a 12" x 15" at a ridiculous price. The most frustrating is that there is factory between Ottawa, Toronto and Montréal that make phenolic ply but again you have to order a minimum to be part of the party  [scared]

@rvieceli
@Mario Turcot I’ll second the Albrecht chuck. Makes a world of difference. I’ve got the 1/16 to 1/2 inch one. That can usually be had on eBay for around 125 to 150 used.

Look for a listing that gives you a good photo of the working end so you can see if the jaws are in good shape. You can get kits to replace the guys completely but need to factor that into the price you’ll pay.

Used chuck is a good option since I found new ones at over 600$. Do you have a Albrecht reference # I can use that will fit on the Nova voyager? Since most used items have a no return policy, I don't want to buy the wrong chuck.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 01:55 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2018, 03:23 PM »
Mario you just need a chuck with a #2 Morse Taper attached or a bare chuck and an MT2

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2018, 05:09 PM »
Mario you just need a chuck with a #2 Morse Taper attached or a bare chuck and an MT2

Thanks!

Putting the head on horizontally was easy enough.

The head is more like 130-140lbs  [huh]
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2018, 05:29 PM »
Wow!

Ready for a spin now (pun intended)!

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2018, 10:41 PM »
First spin test, Brad point HSS 3/8

Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2018, 10:47 PM »
First spin test, Brad point HSS 3/8

So what do you think Mario...thumbs up or thumbs down?

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2018, 11:05 PM »
First spin test, Brad point HSS 3/8

So what do you think Mario...thumbs up or thumbs down?

 [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

A dream machine
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2018, 11:25 PM »
Mario,

I was hoping your response would be the opposite ... and then I would PM you that since we are both in Canada, I could buy your Nova second hand! [drooling]

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2018, 11:45 PM »
Mario,

I was hoping your response would be the opposite ... and then I would PM you that since we are both in Canada, I could buy your Nova second hand! [drooling]

Doesn't always proceed as planned  [tongue]
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2018, 12:56 AM »
One of these days I'll upgrade from my benchtop drill press to a floor standing, but I have one issue - everything in my shop is on mobile bases because I don't have enough space for things to stay put.  I know drill presses are pretty top heavy, but are there any mobile bases for them that can manage this?  I was looking at the Nova Voyager, but then the Nova Vulcan came out...

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2018, 12:59 AM »
One of these days I'll upgrade from my benchtop drill press to a floor standing, but I have one issue - everything in my shop is on mobile bases because I don't have enough space for things to stay put.  I know drill presses are pretty top heavy, but are there any mobile bases for them that can manage this?  I was looking at the Nova Voyager, but then the Nova Vulcan came out...

On the Nova Voyager instructions it's stated to NOT use a mobile base. I would guess that the Vulcan is even heavier and that a mobile base is not recommended. I have a 20'x20' shop and the drill press is the first true stationary machine.
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2018, 07:53 AM »
One of these days I'll upgrade from my benchtop drill press to a floor standing, but I have one issue - everything in my shop is on mobile bases because I don't have enough space for things to stay put.  I know drill presses are pretty top heavy, but are there any mobile bases for them that can manage this?  I was looking at the Nova Voyager, but then the Nova Vulcan came out...

Any mobile base should work.  Just adjust the base so the wheels have a 30-36” span from L to R to give you extra stability.  Bolt the plywood base to the mobile base and the drill press base to the plywood.  Watch where you roll it so the wheels don’t get hung up on cords or other debris. 

You could also build your own, again making sure the outriggers allow the wheels to span 30-36”.
-Raj

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2018, 08:31 AM »
One of these days I'll upgrade from my benchtop drill press to a floor standing, but I have one issue - everything in my shop is on mobile bases because I don't have enough space for things to stay put.  I know drill presses are pretty top heavy, but are there any mobile bases for them that can manage this?  I was looking at the Nova Voyager, but then the Nova Vulcan came out...

Any mobile base should work.  Just adjust the base so the wheels have a 30-36” span from L to R to give you extra stability.  Bolt the plywood base to the mobile base and the drill press base to the plywood.  Watch where you roll it so the wheels don’t get hung up on cords or other debris. 

You could also build your own, again making sure the outriggers allow the wheels to span 30-36”.

This is what I was planning to do before reading the instructions  [wink].

Here my personal observation about the Nova Voyager Drill Press after an hour playing with the machine and features;

BODY
Major Parts and guess weight:
Base: 70lbs
Column: 70lbs
Table: 45lbs
Head: 125lbs
Total of: 310lbs (this is more or less what the drill specs says)

This make the drill press a little unbalance when it comes to tilt possibility. To prevent tilting you have a few possibilities, anchors or adding weight to the base. I went for flush floor anchors to secure the drill press.

ASSEMBLY
Cannot be easier intellectually and physically  [big grin]. There is really few parts to put together. Everything was included (allen keys) beside a 17mm wrench and four floor anchors (optional). I used 5/8" x 2" anchors.
Tip: Make a wood insert to fit under the base and seal the base with clear silicone caulk to prevent dust to stack under.

USE
Plug n play they says... sheesh I had to put a drill bit to get any results  [eek]. I did a first test (previous post) and the hole was absolutely perfect.
Non scientific wobble test: I removed the bit and push it manually through the hole and it was a very tight fit. Zero tear out on top and of course some at the bottom but really minimal. I used a brad point HSS 3/8 from Lee Valley for that test.

CONCLUSION
I own a Skill drill press bench top for a few years. I haven't use it since I'm in the new shop, because it was not stable enough for my taste. When you have no confidence in a tool it become a waist of space  [huh] Now I am very happy with the press drill and no @ChuckM you cannot have it  [tongue].

CONS SO FAR
No where to store the chuck key or is it hidden  [huh]
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 11:10 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2018, 10:51 AM »
Hey Mario here's a shot of one of my Albrecht chucks. This one looks brand new and functions likewise. It's the 1-13mm version that Ron also has. I paid $110 for it on eBay.

The other thing you'll need is the proper arbor. The one shown converts the JT33 in the Albrecht to a 3MT that's needed for the drill press. MSC has a complete selection.

https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Tool-Holding/Drill-Chucks-Holders-Accessories/Drill-Chucks-Accessories/Drill-Chuck-Arbors?navid=12108653
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 10:54 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2018, 11:03 AM »
Snip.
 Now I am very happy with the press drill and no @ChuckM you cannot have it  [tongue].
:'( :'( :'(
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 11:49 AM by ChuckM »

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2018, 11:07 AM »
Thanks @Cheese.

Hey Mario here's a shot of one of my Albrecht chucks. This one looks brand new and functions likewise. It's the 1-13mm version that Ron also has. I paid $110 for it on eBay.

The other thing you'll need is the proper arbor. The one shown converts the JT33 in the Albrecht to a 3MT that's needed for the drill press. MSC has a complete selection.

https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Tool-Holding/Drill-Chucks-Holders-Accessories/Drill-Chucks-Accessories/Drill-Chuck-Arbors?navid=12108653

I made some research last night and ordered a cheap chuck under 40$, including shipping and a 2MT-B16 arbor that fit also with the chuck that came with the machine. Not that I need a second arbor but it was included. The chuck is a nobrand one and looks like an uxcell chuck.

At least I will be able to experience keyless chuck for a fairly low price. I haven't found any Albrecht chuck under 190$ used and new ones are over 500$  [eek]. I learned that the quill on the Nova voyager accept 2MT arbor  [big grin].

By the way, where do you get that wedge to detach the arbor from the quill?

P.S. I really hate the new chuck key that comes with a loaded spring  [mad]
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 11:14 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2018, 11:20 AM »
Darn i just found out that there is keyless chucks that comes with a KEY  [eek] The key goes on the upper part to prevent the quill from turning when you apply pressure.


Hopefully the Nova Voyager come with a feature that apply force/hold the quill for 30 seconds.

@Michael Kellough wondering if that 30 seconds can be reduced?
« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 11:32 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2018, 11:40 AM »
A less expensive alternative is Rohm (German made) or Shars (Chinese made, but I've heard the quality is pretty good).  The Rohm you might find around $100 on ebay, the Shars is probably around $40?  I don't know much about excell, but I've seen it repeatedly on amazon while searching for various bits and bobbles.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2018, 11:48 AM »
A less expensive alternative is Rohm (German made) or Shars (Chinese made, but I've heard the quality is pretty good).  The Rohm you might find around $100 on ebay, the Shars is probably around $40?  I don't know much about excell, but I've seen it repeatedly on amazon while searching for various bits and bobbles.

Same here Rohm Keyless chuck

I will give a try to the chuck coming and if accuracy do not meet my expectation will look at Rohm chucks

Thanks for confirming  [wink]
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2018, 11:59 AM »
@ChuckM
A drill press in my opinion is more a machinist machine by itself, and the first thing I would add to any drill press for woodworking is a drill press table with fence. I got mine from Lee Valley: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=63315&cat=1,240,41060

The clamp is functional, but I am planning to see if I can replace it with one of these: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=70864&cat=1,43838,70865

You linked some quite interesting items. I bought that same exact table when I puchased my previous drill press and never been able to fix it on the drill table. Time to un-dust that table and give it a second try. And about the Bessey clamps, I have four of those for my Domino jig.  [big grin]
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2018, 12:31 PM »

By the way, where do you get that wedge to detach the arbor from the quill?


@Mario Turcot that's called a drift key. they are sized for the various size taper. Here's one for a MT2

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Forged-Drift-Key-2/G9375?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzeCBgcyD3QIVQrXACh0WkQcyEAQYASABEgIVyfD_BwE

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2018, 12:34 PM »
Most keyless chucks have an upper collar that is fixed. Hold that with one hand while you tighten the sleeve with the other, in a couple of seconds. Before I used the Voyager I too worried that using a keyless chuck would be problematic without all the friction of belts and pulleys but the inertia of the quill/armature of the direct drive head is enough to get the initial tightening done with one hand holding the bit and the other spinning the sleeve. With the bit in place just move both hands up an inch or so and wring the chuck to really tighten.

I bought an Llambrich keyless chuck from Zoro.com. Llambrich made Jacobs branded keyless chucks until Jacobs shifted to China.

https://www.zoro.com/llambrich-usa-drill-chuck-keyless-steel-0512-in-2mt-jk-13-mt-2/i/G2332206/

This chuck has a wrench for tightening the chuck sufficiently to use taps. You stick the chuck removal tool through the hole in the quill and use the wrench on the chuck and the bit will stay tight even in reverse.

I do have a problem using this keyless chuck but I don’t know if it’s me or the chuck. When I was doing a project in aluminum last year I had to do several operations on the same hole. The keyless chuck made that go much faster than a keyed chuck would allow but I’d often find that the bit wasn’t seated right in the jaws. There would be too much runnout. It sometimes took several attempts to get the bit to run true. (Even testing with virgin 1/2” drill rod) Never did figure it out. My procedure was to slowly rotate the bit while I gently tighten the sleeve. Then punch F2 which was programmed for 300 rpm to see how it spun. Had to tell with a twist drill but better than drilling with too much runout.

It was critical using a 5/8” counterbore. If I ran that bit seated out of true then there would be so much shakeing the chuck would get wrenched crooked in the quill and at least once came loose from the quill. (In that case ease up on the quill just a little to keep the arbor engaged in the quill enough to keep the bit/chuck from scampering but eliminate rotational drive so it stops spinning)

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2018, 12:35 PM »
The Voyager does come with a drift key.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2018, 12:35 PM »
Thanks Ron for the clarification. I watched a video last night on how to remove the arbor from a quill and saw the poster using it  8)
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2018, 12:40 PM »
The Voyager does come with a drift key.

 [poke] about time you answer that question  [crying] I was wondering what that key was for lol. It have a magnet and both ends are shaped differently. see image on page #1
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2018, 12:58 PM »

I will give a try to the chuck coming and if accuracy do not meet my expectation will look at Rohm chucks


Accuracy is only one thing to look at with a keyless chuck. The real bug-a-boo is does the chuck hold the drill bits tightly enough to prevent rotation in the keyless chuck.

Over the last almost 50 years or so, I've been fortunate to be able to use keyless chucks in all sorts of machine tools. When it came time to purchase one for myself, I chose Albrecht because it was pretty much standard fare in machine shops and model shops. I did look at the Rohm and at the Jacobs brands because they were significantly cheaper than the Albrecht when purchased new.

Like Michael said, place one hand on the top ring of the chuck and the other hand on the chuck body and wring them together. With a good functioning chuck, you don't need to exert much force. On the Albrecht, the process takes 1-2 seconds...that 30 second delay will just become a nuisance.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2018, 01:39 PM »
@RKA, @Michael Kellough, @neilc, @Vondawg Any of you guys convert it to 220v yet?
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2018, 01:51 PM »
The Voyager does come with a drift key.

 [poke] about time you answer that question  [crying] I was wondering what that key was for lol. It have a magnet and both ends are shaped differently. see image on page #1

That isn’t the drift key, just some half useful wrench for assembly. Just google images to see what the drift key looks like.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2018, 01:53 PM »

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2018, 02:05 PM »
I try to run everything I can on 220v, so I was curious if any one did.
From the instructions, you only have to change the plug and that's it.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2018, 02:08 PM »
I left it at the factory set 120 volts.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2018, 02:12 PM »
@Mario Turcot you might also want to pick up a 4 or 5 inch machined 1/2 inch dowel like this.

https://www.mcmaster.com/#98381a727/=1ea7u86

It’s useful for a lot of operations. Chuck it up and pair it with a mag base dial indicator and you test run out. The solid nature makes it easier to see on a square if the table is perpendicular to the quill.

With it chucked you always know the exact center of the bit is 1/4 inch from the outside edge of the rod. Need to put a hole 1 inch from the edge? Put a 3/4 inch spacer between the rod and the fence.

If you’re one of those metric folks then opt for a 12mm dowel

https://www.mcmaster.com/#91595a773/=1ea80p8

Ron




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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2018, 04:19 PM »
Forgot about this issue I had with the Voyager. The table was concave. They sent another but in the meantime I put a large cross slide table on the existing table and shimmed it square. Haven’t even opened the replacement table to check its condition.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2018, 06:43 PM »
Forgot about this issue I had with the Voyager. The table was concave. They sent another but in the meantime I put a large cross slide table on the existing table and shimmed it square. Haven’t even opened the replacement table to check its condition.

Good to know, I will check mine. However for wood I will use a phenolic table like Neil.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2018, 10:57 PM »
Mario,

Can you claim this rebate for your Nova purchase?

https://www.teknatool.com/rebate/


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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2018, 11:36 PM »
Mario,

Can you claim this rebate for your Nova purchase?

https://www.teknatool.com/rebate/

Nope, US only  [crying]
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #71 on: August 24, 2018, 06:35 AM »
@Mario Turcot you might also want to pick up a 4 or 5 inch machined 1/2 inch dowel like this.

https://www.mcmaster.com/#98381a727/=1ea7u86

It’s useful for a lot of operations. Chuck it up and pair it with a mag base dial indicator and you test run out. The solid nature makes it easier to see on a square if the table is perpendicular to the quill.

With it chucked you always know the exact center of the bit is 1/4 inch from the outside edge of the rod. Need to put a hole 1 inch from the edge? Put a 3/4 inch spacer between the rod and the fence.

If you’re one of those metric folks then opt for a 12mm dowel

https://www.mcmaster.com/#91595a773/=1ea80p8

Ron

@rvieceli, thanks for the tip and the links. I will order both in case my dark side made me switch to imperial again  [tongue].

I never order from McMaster before and just discovered all the goodies they have...  [eek]
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #72 on: August 24, 2018, 09:34 AM »
Can't wait..



..what? by 9PM  [eek]

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #73 on: August 24, 2018, 02:39 PM »
I too have stayed with 120 volts( only have 3 220 curcuits) and it was where I have the drill press ...never checked my table for flat just added table/fence  [eek] now I'll have to check it. Look forward to knowing how keyless Chuck works...
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #74 on: August 24, 2018, 04:00 PM »
What I did wrong?

The arbor that came with the keyless chuck do not fit in the chuck  [eek]

No luck removing the arbor that came with the machine  [crying]

I don't have any arbor wedge... pushing a bolt through the chuck?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2018, 04:04 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2018, 04:27 PM »
Mario DO NOT try to remove the existing chuck and taper without a drift key. The taper and the mating surfaces in the quill are some of the most critically machined area on the press. Don’t risk screwing them up. Order a drift key and wait for it to come.

As for the new taper, the fit is designed to be a tight friction fit. That’s the only thing that holding the two pieces together. There should be some YouTube videos on installing the taper in  the chuck.

Ron

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #76 on: August 24, 2018, 04:40 PM »
Mario DO NOT try to remove the existing chuck and taper without a drift key. The taper and the mating surfaces in the quill are some of the most critically machined area on the press. Don’t risk screwing them up. Order a drift key and wait for it to come.

As for the new taper, the fit is designed to be a tight friction fit. That’s the only thing that holding the two pieces together. There should be some YouTube videos on installing the taper in  the chuck.

Ron

No, I did used the drift key to remove the arbor from the quill and everything is intact. Now I need to remove the Arbor from the chuck to put it on the new chuck.
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #77 on: August 24, 2018, 06:33 PM »
It's a press fit.  Place the arbor in a hole on your MFT or loosely in a vise with padding and use a punch and hammer to lightly tap inside the chuck to drive it out.

Should come out easily.  Just make sure you catch the arbor so it's not damaged.


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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #78 on: August 24, 2018, 07:08 PM »
Do you even know if the taper in the original chuck is the same as the taper in the new chuck? There are several different sized tapers they could be. It be a shame to remove the arbor, and possibly damage it, only to find out that it won’t fit anyways.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #79 on: August 24, 2018, 08:17 PM »
It's a press fit.  Place the arbor in a hole on your MFT or loosely in a vise with padding and use a punch and hammer to lightly tap inside the chuck to drive it out.

Should come out easily.  Just make sure you catch the arbor so it's not damaged.

Thanks Neil, that's the confirmation I was looking for. I watched a video where the guy said exactly that and when he was about to do it, he said do not attempt to push from inside the chuck. I was a bit confused  [eek]

Both chucks and arbors, you can tell that the new arbor is longer. Hard to tell it is bigger but my bet is that it is a J33 instead of a B16.

Old arbor fit in the new chuck, so the new chuck is B16.

And now on the drill press  [big grin]


Going to bore some on the weekend.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2018, 08:18 PM »
Do you even know if the taper in the original chuck is the same as the taper in the new chuck? There are several different sized tapers they could be. It be a shame to remove the arbor, and possibly damage it, only to find out that it won’t fit anyways.

Yup confirmed. The old Arbor fit in both chucks  [smile]

When I ordered the chuck the arbor that was include was suppose to be 2MT - B16 but I received a 2MT - J33 or so
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2018, 09:39 AM »
Nice. Looks like the DP cabinet that Woodsmith published plans to a couple years ago.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #82 on: August 26, 2018, 11:19 AM »
Nice. Looks like the DP cabinet that Woodsmith published plans to a couple years ago.

Fun fact, I received an email from Woodsmith on Friday with a rebate for that plan  [smile]
Mario

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2018, 11:44 AM »
-- UPDATE --

After setting the dril press zero "ground" I made a 1 1/2" hole. Notice where the drill stops, barely hit the table insert  [big grin]


And now on some advertising: I like how crispy came the hole using a Lee Valley Forstner bit. The drill press set the quill speed to 500 rpm.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2018, 03:44 PM »
Okay, you do know that the more you keep posting your feedback the more I regret passing on the nova and getting the Delta?

Keep it coming!  :)
-Raj

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2018, 05:10 PM »
I'm sorry (in a Canadian way) but can't help myself. The drill is just so awesome, I'm going to drill holes every where  I can [big grin]
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #86 on: August 31, 2018, 05:15 PM »
If you keep posting I’m getting rid of my Delta and getting the Nova. I’ve been eying it since it was introduced but have not pulled the trigger since we travel half the year.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2018, 06:00 PM »
I have lusted after the Voyager drill press since it was introduced. The current rebate has made it much more enticing. Put up my old Delta floor standing drill press for sale with the plan to apply that as well to the purchase price.

Got a taker on my drill press, so the Nova just got ordered today. I’ve been using a Nova DVR lathe for many years so am excited to get a drill press with the same power source.

Now I get to start the waiting game.

BTW, is anybody using the Nova fence that they offer?  Looks like it might be worth the cost, but nice to know how useful it is from someone who has one.
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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2018, 07:31 PM »
You can set a depth and have the dp stop running when the quill reaches that point (which is cool and sometimes useful) but it can also then be difficult to extract the non-turning bit from the work, especially if the hole is deep. I set it to stop a little deeper than I plan to drill then watch the depth readout and extract the quill when it reaches my preferred depth. You’ll find there’s is little point in watching the bit drill work with this machine. Much more useful to monitor the digital read out.

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2018, 10:32 PM »
Wow, ordered and Friday and was delivered today. Assembled it and am very happy with me decision to upgrade.

Expected the larger table but was surprised how much larger the base was over my previous Delta.

Played with it a bit and now am ready to find me a replacement chuck to put some icing on the cake.
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2018, 06:33 AM »
Wow, ordered and Friday and was delivered today. Assembled it and am very happy with me decision to upgrade.

Expected the larger table but was surprised how much larger the base was over my previous Delta.

Played with it a bit and now am ready to find me a replacement chuck to put some icing on the cake.

 [thumbs up]

By larger table, you mean you were expecting a bigger one?

IMO the table is perfect for metal boring, a sub table like Neil have is desired for wood boring. Currently I am using a table I bought a few years ago that was not fitting on my previous drill press so I give table some live experience :)

I am at the design phase of mine. It will look pretty much like Neil's one. i am not sure yet about how the tracks will go.
Mario

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Offline thudchkr

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2018, 05:30 PM »
Wow, ordered and Friday and was delivered today. Assembled it and am very happy with me decision to upgrade.

Expected the larger table but was surprised how much larger the base was over my previous Delta.

Played with it a bit and now am ready to find me a replacement chuck to put some icing on the cake.

 [thumbs up]

By larger table, you mean you were expecting a bigger one?

IMO the table is perfect for metal boring, a sub table like Neil have is desired for wood boring. Currently I am using a table I bought a few years ago that was not fitting on my previous drill press so I give table some live experience :)

I am at the design phase of mine. It will look pretty much like Neil's one. i am not sure yet about how the tracks will go.

I expected the table to be larger than that of my previous Delta drill press and there was a considerable differential. I didn’t, however, realize how much larger the base was over the one in the Delta.

I will probably build a table, geared to woodworking, to install on the Nova. I have a piece of phenolic faced Baltic birch plywood that will be ideal for that application. I had a woodpeckers version on the Delta, but it went with the press, so I’ll probable build something along the same lines as the Woodpeckers, as familiar as I am with it.
Clint

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Offline rst

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2018, 08:56 PM »
My drill press table is on an old 1979 Craftsman 15 1/2" drill press.  the tracks are 15 series 3034 8020 extrusions.
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« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 09:00 PM by rst »

Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2018, 12:53 PM »
Darn you all!!! Just ordered my Voyager from Tool Nut this morning! You're all too influential lol!

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2018, 04:55 PM »
Love that drill press....got a chance to see one in person..very nice....I will buy one...one day....but for now I did this...about 350 canadian....so that's like 12 bucks USD...right...lol...
you need:





























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Offline sprior

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2018, 05:01 PM »
Looks great!  The control panel has FUN built right in!

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #96 on: September 07, 2018, 05:11 PM »
LOL...yeah it's pretty cool...all that and a chart I found on internet and I can set speeds for different types of bit...no more belt changes...still not as cool as voyager, but it was a great learning experience (which I had a lot of online friends help me thru..lol)
VFD makes the world your oyster....this one has quite a bit of torque...can run it real slow to say tap metal, and depending on settings can bring it up to 3000rpm...
Sorry for some reason I was having real hard time posting pictures...had hoped to put more info in my first post...
I have just set this up temp....a year ago....lol....but do have a  control box and external controls to start, reverse, set rpm, ect...I will mount vfd in box on wall, and then run cables to control box on drill press in hopes of keeping vfd cooler and cleaner....
Greg

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2018, 07:22 PM »
@PeterJJames13  you won't regret it, the drill press is amizing. You will want to make projects just to use it  [wink]

Darn you all!!! Just ordered my Voyager from Tool Nut this morning! You're all too influential lol!
Mario

Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2018, 07:24 PM »
@PeterJJames13  you won't regret it, the drill press is amizing. You will want to make projects just to use it  [wink]

Darn you all!!! Just ordered my Voyager from Tool Nut this morning! You're all too influential lol!
Thanks Mario! I've been following this thread since the start. I figured the rebate was helpful in pulling the trigger. Plus I'm having hernia surgery next month so let me get the heavy lifting out of the way so I can enjoy the darn thing lol!!

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2018, 07:30 PM »
Plus I'm having hernia surgery next month so let me get the heavy lifting out of the way so I can enjoy the darn thing lol!!

Darn man, I wish I could go and help. Hopefully the surgery will go well and you can [dead horse] again.

The way I did it;

1) Lay down the base and column on a box letting enough space to the end to accept the head.
2) Put the head on a flat rolling cart, mine was 4" high that I use to move things.
3) Push in the head, easy peazy

The head slides in like a glove, make sure you push the head at the bottom of the column. Measuring before and after do not hurt  [big grin]
Mario

Offline IndyMike

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2018, 08:25 PM »
Sent my GF a video of this press on YouTube...  ::crosses fingers for Christmas::.
Mike

Offline PeterJJames13

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #101 on: September 08, 2018, 09:12 AM »
@Mario Turcot Thanks! I've been following how everyone here has got that head on! I'll be making room tomorrow (finally a day off for me!!) so when it gets delivered (hopefully by next weekend) I can get it in place (with help from a friend who I owe some beers to). That way if I do any more damage to myself, the surgery will fix it anyway lol. I figured get whatever heavy lifting out of the way now lol.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #102 on: September 08, 2018, 10:41 AM »
....but for now I did this...about 350 canadian....so that's like 12 bucks USD...right...lol...
you need:

Very interesting... as I know nothing about VFD's. So all you need is a VFD, a chassis to mount the drive and electrical connections and a digital readout? Is that correct?

You'd use the existing motor?

I also assume you place the drive belts on the fastest speed position.

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #103 on: September 08, 2018, 01:02 PM »
Hi Cheese. Not meaning to hijack Mario's thread, just wanted to offer a cheaper alternative to those who already had a good drill press especially an older one of good quality that you just can't seem to buy anymore.

In addition to the VFD, you need to replace the motor on your press with a 3 phase motor so the VFD can drive it...Seems to be good practice to go up a size. ( in my case I went from 3/4 to 1 HP.)

I didn't know anything about VFD's either, but lots of resources on the net Youtube ect., and these small ones are fairly plug and play. Lots of reading on the manual before beginning.

The VFD I bought converts 110volt to 220 volts which you'll need to run the 3 phase motor. The VFD basically send pulses to the motor allowing you to change the speed.

You can put your belts on highest speed, but you will loose low end torque by doing so. I picked a happy medium which gives me the slow low end torque to use large bits at slow speeds, but can also adjust VFD so it can run the motor at double the rated speed.

Have a look at youtube and you'll get some great ideas. I'm sure there are lots of folks on this forum who are more informed than I am about these little drives. If you have more questions perhaps it would be better to PM me, or start another thread so we don't steal Mario's well deserved thunder while his drill press still has that new car smell....lol
Greg

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #104 on: September 08, 2018, 06:52 PM »
@gnlman all good Greg. I find it interesting myself and I believe this could also apply to a lathe?
Mario

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #105 on: September 08, 2018, 09:31 PM »
Hi Mario. Yes lathes, pumps all sorts of things.
By the way, the company that makes your drill press also makes lathes with the same abilities as your press...they adapted that technology to make the drill press...as I'm sure you already know.

Yes, in my research found may folks that take an older lathe and adapt a vfd to it allowing more control. I don't  have a lathe, but thinking of one when I retire and have more time...I have looked at the nova lathes and they seem very nice...not that I know much about lathes...lol

I started the adventure when I read a post about a fellow than adapted the vfd to his drill press He was very knowledgeable and gave a very good explanation of how it worked. I tried to purchase the same vfd as he had, but as with all electronics that version was done and ended up with basically the same thing only a newer version. If you are interested, download a manual for a vfd and give it a read....much like a new computer user, it takes a bit to understand how it works. I have a pretty good understanding of electricity, and I find most woodworkers are pretty handy wiring motors by simply following the diagram on the motor.If you have any concerns you just post a picture and someone here will steer you in the right way....the folks here are pretty darn nice.

My VFD project was well over a year ago, and while I remember some things, I would have to go back to my notes and manual to give out accurate info. If you decide to go this route, you could PM me and I'll do what I can to help you...but like I said before I'm sure there are experts on this forum that could answer questions better than I......

The one thing I do remember struggling with was the motor...many people said you needed a motor with a fan that ran all the time to keep them motor cool...I believe these were call "inverter duty" motors...I bought my motor from the vendor that supplies my workplace with all of our motors. When I explained what I was doing he told me I didn't need to spend the extra money for an "inveter" motor as the drill press will not run long enough for the motor to get hot....not sure about a lathe.It might be worth some investigation to make sure you get the correct type of motor for the application....it's the torque that the VFD applies that will heat the motor up when going slow....my motor stays nice and cool even though at low rpm's the fan on the motor runs slowly, but not for very long period of time....it's never even gotten warm using large bits or hole saws...

I tested the vfd and motor on my bench (make sure you clamp the motor down...don't ask my why....lol) first and get it working before installing it..easier if you need to rewire ect....

I really had a lot of fun tricking out the drill press..I eliminated the middle pully , and got rid of some vibration I had before. I also now have the other parts to run the VFD in a remote fashion. The VFD has low voltage and smart outputs that allow you to connect speed controls..(volume pot basically) forward reverse switches, on off controls ect....this allows you to not have the vfd mounted to your machine (like I do now), and saves you moving thru menu's to change things by using hard controls....this once again requires picking some options in menus on VFD, but nothing anyone couldn't figure out by reading the manual....afterall I figured it out..lol
Maybe this winter I'll get to wiring the hard controls the the drill press and then I can mount the vfd on the wall in a box to protect it a bit from the dust and vibration....hopefully...lol
The other really cool thing about it is I have it set up to stop with my large paddle on my press..its stops in a heartbeat in case you have an emergency where something gets away on you....safety first!!
Also, while the vfd will display your rpm's, it requires some special gear and measuring....I took the easy way out and bought a digital rpm gauge(the display in the decora switch cover in my pictures under the VFD) from amazon for around 20 bucks...you simply epoxy a magnet to your front pully, mount the pickup for the magnet close to it, and it pulses a signal to the display giving you your rpm's...brilliant!!

Hope this helps...if you have any more questions, fire away, and thanks for letting my crash your post....haha

Greg
 

Offline Huxleywood

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #106 on: September 08, 2018, 11:06 PM »
The problem with heat in the motor run via VFD is not the torque (torque will remain more or less the same across most of the speed range like a bell curve with the top flattened) but the lack of cooling.  The normal induction motor has a fan running off the shaft at the same speed of the motor which is normally the synchronous speed, reduce the frequency and thus the RPMs and the fan moves less air.  An inverter duty motor has windings with higher temp insulation, at sustained low speeds (lower frequencies via VFD) a motor with low temp insulation can see the insulation fail and you have a short in the windings and a dead motor. 

The main issue to be overcome running a 3 phase DP via VFD is while the torque stays the same (with a quality VFD) you lose the torque multiplication of the belt system, this is one reason it is generally a good idea to use a larger motor.   To get the optimum performance one needs to pick the gearing (via the belt system) that allows the lowest speed needed while running the motor at the highest RPMs balanced against the highest RPM needed without "overclocking" the motor at more than say 70hz.  Just like in a car it is important to understand the role of both torque and horsepower and how gearing impacts how much of each you have at a given rpm at final drive. 

In the end, the digitally controlled variable reluctance motor use in the Voyager has a lot of advantages over a VFD controlled 3ph motor in this application, it really is a better mousetrap.   The only real negatives being cost and the potential lifespan of the electronics. 

Offline Cheese

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #107 on: September 09, 2018, 10:04 AM »
Hi Cheese. Not meaning to hijack Mario's thread, just wanted to offer a cheaper alternative to those who already had a good drill press especially an older one of good quality that you just can't seem to buy anymore.

Thanks for the info Greg.  [big grin]

I have an older Delta that I like a lot. I purchased it because its slow speed is 150 rpm for metal work however it also has ZERO speeds from 550 - 1000 rpm. That's a big hole in the middle. [sad]  Just looking at alternatives... [smile]



Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #108 on: September 09, 2018, 01:08 PM »
Hi Cheese. You are welcome. Yes these little drives will give you all the speeds you want depending on how you set them. I can run mine quite slow, and have a hard time stalling it with my hands with gloves on....my drive ( I suspect most have this) has a torque boost setting so you can increase it...not sure what that does to the motor, but it does make the fan on the VFD run harder as I'm sure the VFD is working harder to produce the extra torque...much like your computer fans run harder when it's thinking really hard...lol

See I told you someone more experienced than I am would chime in...lol ( thanks Huxleywood )....I stand corrected, and should have mentioned the fixed fan speed on a non inverter motor..yes the fan only runs as fast at the motor turns...that is what can lead to motor failure...and it's the torque that the vfd is producing that make the vfd run harder/warmer...in my case anyway. I've also seen where folks have mounted external computer type fans that run when motor is turning on to aid in cooling as well. Bit of a junkyard fix, but if you already had a  non inverter motor, or found a used one this could be a good workaround...if buying new, I'd suggest you get the correct motor for the application.

Also, yes the direct drive system on the voyager is the best for minimising any torque loss. My drill press has ribbed belts, not V belts. They seem to grab quite well, and I have yet to spin them on the pulleys....although I had a harder time sourcing a ribbed belt, than a v belt..I eliminated the middle pulley on my press so I needed a longer belt. I didn't quite 1 to 1 on the pulleys so I could achieve more bottom end torque...you can increase the settings on the vfd to run the motor faster (don't set it too high) but I've never found a need for my drill press to go 3000 rpm yet...lol

If you decide to trick your delta out, do lots of reading and youtube first. I watched videos where folks were disappointed as once they slowed the speed down they lost so much torque the low speeds were useless to run forsner bits or for tapping purposes so be weary of some of the really cheap offshore drives that don't have a torque boost of some sort. Also, you can buy drives that you can remove the control panel so you can mount the vfd off the machine which is nice to keep it clean and free from any vibration. In addition you can also get drives where you remove the control panel (like a remote) and move it from machine to machine it will remember what machine it's running and keep your settings for that machine....it's pretty cool that all than technology is now available at prices reasonable for hobby guys ect.

If you decide to give the vfd a go, post your project here, you'll get lots of help I'm sure and it would be great to see.
Greg


Offline Huxleywood

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #109 on: September 09, 2018, 07:51 PM »


See I told you someone more experienced than I am would chime in...lol ( thanks Huxleywood )....I stand corrected, and should have mentioned the fixed fan speed on a non inverter motor..yes the fan only runs as fast at the motor turns...that is what can lead to motor failure...and it's the torque that the vfd is producing that make the vfd run harder/warmer...in my case anyway. I've also seen where folks have mounted external computer type fans that run when motor is turning on to aid in cooling as well. Bit of a junkyard fix, but if you already had a  non inverter motor, or found a used one this could be a good workaround...if buying new, I'd suggest you get the correct motor for the application.

Also, yes the direct drive system on the voyager is the best for minimising any torque loss. My drill press has ribbed belts, not V belts. They seem to grab quite well, and I have yet to spin them on the pulleys....although I had a harder time sourcing a ribbed belt, than a v belt..I eliminated the middle pulley on my press so I needed a longer belt. I didn't quite 1 to 1 on the pulleys so I could achieve more bottom end torque...you can increase the settings on the vfd to run the motor faster (don't set it too high) but I've never found a need for my drill press to go 3000 rpm yet...lol



Let's clarify a few things.  An inverter duty motor still has a fan that runs at the shaft speed of the motor, it simply has higher temperature winding insulation to handle the excess heat when running the motor at frequencies below the native AC frequency it is designed for, in the US that is 60hz.  Some inverter duty motors also have bearings specced to run at higher than the motors synchronous speed allowing you to run the motor at higher frequencies than native.  An average motor will have little issue running up to 70hz unless it is run constantly. 

The "torque boost" feature of VFDs is really a constant torque setting to combat the loss of torque at lower frequencies you get with more basic drives.  You don't get more torque just the same torque, this is why it is usually a good idea to use a higher HP motor (which will have more torque) for an application like a DP where you plan to give up the torque multiplication of the pulley system. 

The wider the RPM range you want to run the more time you have to send speccing the correct motor.  If you look at most modern variable speed lathes they use a 3ph motor and a VFD to control speed, you will also see they usually run 2 (or even 3) pulley based speed ranges to improve the torque at low speeds. 

I assume you mean cogged belt vs ribbed belt, a ribbed or multi-V belt would require a pulley change.  The cogged belts have the advantage of higher power transmission as well as they transmit less vibration which is important since the vibration will increase when you use a longer belt to exclude the intermediate pulley set.  If you find cogged belts don't provide enough vibration isolation then you can try link belts. 

Offline gnlman

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Re: Nova Voyager Drill Press
« Reply #110 on: September 09, 2018, 10:18 PM »
Hmmm just re read my post, and it did perhaps make it sound like inverter duty motors had a different type of fan....but yes the fan only runs as fast as the motor speed on both types of motors...hence for my application according to our motor/VFD vendor I didn't require the more expensive robust inverter motor...like I said different applications may require a different motor.

Nope it's a ribbed belt....hence the difficult time sourcing a longer belt to eliminate the middle pulley....had to order it from the US. I did have to tighten it more than I cared for once the middle pulley was eliminated as it had a tendency to deflect at higher speeds. ( still may fashion and idler for it)  I would have preferred a pulley change to use a link belt, but the taper on the drill press spindle is quite odd, and the time and money didn't seem worth it once I had the press up and running....Good enough for what I do at home, and it runs a lot smoother and quieter than it did before the upgrade..especially once I fine tuned the vfd settings.

My reference to torque was all about the bottom end....it's where I notice it (real life application)when using larger bits below 500 rpm and the vfd appears to be working harder to supply the needed power to spin the larger bits ( the drive gets warmer, and cooling fan runs continuous)....assumption would be I haven't noticed it spinning higher speeds as bits are smaller, and well I'm using wood....but do understand it's a boost across the entire range.

Greg