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Offline gpl916

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Pinner recomendation
« on: September 08, 2018, 10:42 PM »
Hi All,
I am looking for a recommendation for a pinner. The main use in the immediate future is for a house full of wainscoting/ architectural panels that I don't want to have to fill nail holes (paint grade).

The pinner will need to hold 3/4 popular nailed over 1/4" plywood while the adhesive holds. There is not necessarily any studs/ backer under where the stiles and rails will go, just the ply and drywall.

The poplar will have a profiled edge and I am planning to shoot the pins through the molded profile at an angle to provide a little more grip. I will use PL adhesive for the main holding power.

Will a 23g pin provide enough grip to hold the trim while the glue dries? Or, do I need a 21g with or without the head?

I am looking at the Grex 635 or a Cadex 21g.

Thanks for any info!

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Offline rst

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2018, 08:37 AM »
I have no complaints with my Grexs, 23ga pinner and 3/16 head stapler, 18ga nailer, and 7/16" head stapler.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2018, 08:52 AM »
21 gauge Senco.

Offline gpl916

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2018, 10:15 AM »
Thanks for the replies guys.

I am looking for feedback on whether the 23ga would be adequate for the job that I need to do rather than brand recommendations.

Will it hold the poplar securely enough to form tight lines until the PL dries, or do I need to step up to a 21ga (or even 18)? Remember I will be shooting through the profile so it wont go through 3/4 poplar, more like 1/2 at the edges

The goal is to not have to fill the holes. I own 16ga, 18ga, and staplers.

Thanks!

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2018, 11:02 AM »
In your application - merely holding wood in place while the glue dries - then, if everything is flat, I think you could get away with a 23 pinner.

I have the Grex and it works great.  Even my thumb agrees.  (Darn those hurt.)

Peter

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2018, 11:43 AM »
It's a matter of technique. Alternately angling the pins slightly works best; that way there is more holding power. Also: try to use not too much glue. Thinner layers of glue set up faster and there is less movement when handling the parts.

You could also use a fastener-less method: spot glue with CA (and matching activator spray, maybe) and woodglue on the rest. The CA holds it in place as son as it works after a few seconds of holding the parts in place under pressure.
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Offline gpl916

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2018, 11:52 AM »
Peter and Bert,

Thanks for the replies. I went ahead and ordered the Grex 635. It will be handy to have around the shop no matter what I do with this project.

I was thinking about using just adhesive as you recommend Bert. I think it would have to be something that sets a little slower as fitting some of the 8' or 10' runs as well as making sure the shorter sections are aligned perfectly would require some working time. I have the PUR hot melt too. Maybe buy a slower set hot melt glue?

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2018, 12:18 PM »
Unless your molding is very flat and or flexible it will be difficult to get it tight on the wall with 23 gauge pins alone. I’d try the Festool wings and spring sticks from across the way to push the molding against the wall to give the glue time.

I do second Bert’s CA tip. One of the nice features of the headless pin is that you can use one to keep on end of a long molding in place while you test the other end. If you need to mod the loose end you can simply pull the wood off the pin with little or no damage then pull or break the pin out of the wall.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2018, 12:22 PM by Michael Kellough »

Offline Dave Reinhold

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2018, 05:57 PM »
I have the grex and cadex 23 as well as the cadex21. I want to love the 21 but always grad the cadex 23. It’s so smooth and I love the fact I can fire a headless or headed pin with the same gun. If your cadex 23 fires like mine you won’t be upset and will absolutely love it. FYI I shoot mainly 1” and 1-3/8 pins into cabinet grade maple with no problem sinking them. And I use the senco 1010 or rolair sys compressor

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Offline IndyMike

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2018, 07:38 PM »
I picked up a Hitachi 23g nailer on Amazon for $88. So far it’s worked flawlessly. Very happy with it.
Mike

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2018, 08:09 PM »
Grex 23ga.

Tom
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Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2018, 08:50 PM »
Is the wainscot tongue and groove?  If so, why not install traditionally with a nail or staple in the tongue?

If it is not T&G, I think you will still want to brace it as was suggested above.
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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2018, 09:03 PM »
Greg 23ga.

Tom

Yes Grex next time.  I have a Senco 23ga.  Jams too easily, but is okay for hobby use.

Offline gpl916

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2018, 10:01 PM »
It is not traditional frame and panel. I thought just covering the whole wall with 1/4 ply and then just overlaying the rails and stiles was easiest. It is an entry way and I am installing it 8' high to start. I may end up running it all the way to the ceiling which is around 17'. That would be the issue with using spring boards- I don't have anything to prop them against in most areas.

Again thanks for all the replies.

g

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2018, 10:13 PM »
When you drive the pins, drive them next to each other on slight opposing angles. This “pinches” the pieces together.

Tom

Offline gpl916

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2018, 10:18 PM »
"When you drive the pins, drive them next to each other on slight opposing angles. This “pinches” the pieces together."

Thanks, that's kinda what I was thinking. But having no experience with pinners so didn't know. I can always suck up the (hopefully) few spots that are not flat with my 16ga and then fill those.

Offline mwbrewster

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2018, 10:21 PM »
I picked up a Hitachi 23g nailer on Amazon for $88. So far it’s worked flawlessly. Very happy with it.

me too. love it so far.

Offline lwoirhaye

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2018, 12:27 AM »
Grex has a great.  Kind of spendy last time I looked.   They were the first ones on the market I think, and they got it right.  All the cheaper ones were said to be quite bad.   That was many years ago and I think there has been improvement to the cheaper ones.  Still, if nothing but the best will do, Grex may be it.  I have a Porter-Cable that works  acceptably.   

Offline gpl916

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2018, 10:40 PM »
I received the Pinner the other day. It does seem like a quality piece of kit. Received my shaper cutter too so on with the project next week!

Offline duburban

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2018, 11:39 PM »
I have the Bosch 23g which is great. No problems at all except some kid thought it was a cool looking gun and hid it upstairs for a week.

I'd prefer the Senco 21g due to holding power with what I understand as a similar sized hole.
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Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2018, 07:45 AM »
I’ve had my eyes on both Grex and Cadex for a while now.  Are there any Cadex users out there in FOG land. I don’t see too many reviews about that brand.

I see 9 variants of the 23 Ga,  2 18 Ga, 1 21 Ga and 1 15 Ga.  RE the 23 Ga, the variants may simply be max fastener length, but is there anything else that differentiates them?

I have used my Hitachi 15 Ga angled finisher for 15 years.  It seems to work very well, but it is the old model.  I haven’t heard good things about the new model. I also used an Airy 18 Ga for years, but it got dropped on concrete and the body cracked (not repairable).  It too was the older and better model. Currently I am using an Hitachi 18 Ga.  I feel it is ok, but not great. My micro pinned is a 23 Ga Bostich. I have no complaints about that, except the case latches broke almost right away.

Generally I don’t buy tools for the sake of buying them.  Generally I wait until a tool needs to be replaced. I may not buy new nail guns anytime soon, but I am curious as to the differences in the Grex 23 Ga guns especially.
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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2018, 09:49 AM »
I have 4 Grex guns, all work well. The balance on the 15 ga. could be better.

I have a 21 ga. Cadex, the blower valve leaks. Something I’ll have to fix. Other than that no issues with the gun.

Tom

Offline Emer Construction

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2018, 10:18 AM »
I have the both grex and cadex 18 Ga.  My cadex will jamb, grex never does. I've dropped my grex from a ladder to concrete a few times.  keeps on going. Recently bought a cadex 21 ga.  It also jambs and my friends grex 21 ga never does.  Blower leaks every once in a while also.  I really want to like the cadex better because they feel better in the hand to me.  They just aren't as reliable
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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2018, 10:46 AM »
I have the PUR hot melt too. Maybe buy a slower set hot melt glue?

The PUR system only allows 30, 60 & 75 second set times. And maybe half of that duration is the actual work time available. I purchased the PUR system specifically for the reason that I could hold the item in place (drywall trim on a round window) for only 15-20 seconds and then move on.
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2018, 11:07 AM »
Nice closet!

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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2018, 02:37 PM »
Nice closet!

Thanks Peter... [big grin]

Not to hijack this thread but here's a before photo. This closet is now part of the master bedroom loft.

Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Pinner recomendation
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2018, 10:23 PM »
I see 9 variants of the Grex 23 Ga,  2 18 Ga, 1 21 Ga and 1 15 Ga.  RE the 23 Ga, the variants may simply be max fastener length, but is there anything else that differentiates them?

I am curious as to the differences in the Grex 23 Ga guns especially.
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