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Offline ZenMystic

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Planers and Jointers
« on: February 02, 2011, 06:55 PM »
Finally got some cash rounded up for a bench top planer and a jointer.

I've been looking at the Makita 2012NB and Dewalt 735 planers. The Makita seems to get really good reviews. Any preferences?

Jointers...well, that ones a toss up. I haven't seen any one bench top model that seems to get rave reviews.  I have a Bench Dog router table with a Bosch 1617 in it that I rigged presently use similar to this (http://www.woodshopdemos.com/rtrplnr.htm). I'd really like a stand alone unit instead of using the router table rig.

Suggestions?

I'm on a budget of about $1500 for the both.

--Jeff
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Offline RL

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 07:33 PM »
I have a Ridgid R4330 benchtop planer and am really happy with it. It is a little cheaper than the Dewalt, works very well, replacement blades are cheap, snipe is minimal etc. I posted a review of it in the other tools section on the FOG.

I suggest you add this planer to your shortlist.

Richard.

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 08:28 PM »
Thanks Richard. I've looked at the Ridgid also. I've seen good and bad reviews. The lifetime warranty is a definite selling point. I have a Ridgid table saw that I like and has worked like a champ.
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Offline fidelfs

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 08:37 PM »
If you don't need mobility why not look into those jointer/planer combo?  They are close to your budget.
One more thing you will have the jointer and planer the same width, something that many don't have.
There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 08:41 PM »
They will reside in my shop. No need to be mobile.

The Jet combo model doesn't get too many good reviews. Any other suggestions?
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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 08:54 PM »
find a nice older cast iron machine's.

For 1500 bucks you should be able to get 2 nice machines that will last you the rest of your life.


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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2011, 09:15 PM »
Yeah, I've been digging around on craigslist but haven't found anything interesting yet. I'm sure something will pop up. I hate paying retail.
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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2011, 09:35 PM »
Just found a Powermatic 6" long-bed jointer for $600 lightly used, like new condition.  I know this is a top notch jointer. The seller also has Dewalt 12" planer with stand for $400 like new condition. I wrote him and hope he still has them. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Offline fidelfs

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2011, 11:39 PM »
They will reside in my shop. No need to be mobile.

The Jet combo model doesn't get too many good reviews. Any other suggestions?

Have you reviewed the amazon reviews?

Lumberjocks

Newwoodworker

I also have the same machine and I couldn't be more happy.  I have use it for hard maple, maple, oak, wenge, pine, poplar and I didn't have any problem.  I didn't have to set the beds, they were ok when I got the machine.  The best is that I have a 12" jointer.

There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 01:32 AM »
Thanks for the link.

The reviews I was looking at were for the smaller 10" model.
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Offline WoodChuckWoods

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 02:51 AM »
They will reside in my shop. No need to be mobile.

The Jet combo model doesn't get too many good reviews. Any other suggestions?

I bought the jet combo and returned it the next week, the thing was so cheap and flimsy. Would stay away
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Offline fidelfs

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 09:16 AM »
They will reside in my shop. No need to be mobile.

The Jet combo model doesn't get too many good reviews. Any other suggestions?

I bought the jet combo and returned it the next week, the thing was so cheap and flimsy. Would stay away
Is this the 500 lbs jointer you got? I don't think is flimsy. 
There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.

Offline TJ Cornish

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2011, 09:54 AM »
They will reside in my shop. No need to be mobile.

The Jet combo model doesn't get too many good reviews. Any other suggestions?

I bought the jet combo and returned it the next week, the thing was so cheap and flimsy. Would stay away
There is an EXTREME difference between the three different Jet jointer/planers.

The 8" and 10" are sheetmetal toys that only cost a few hundred dollars.  The 12" is a $2000 cast iron quality machine which gets good reviews.  Do not confuse these - they are not remotely the same thing.

Offline WoodChuckWoods

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2011, 02:37 PM »
They will reside in my shop. No need to be mobile.

The Jet combo model doesn't get too many good reviews. Any other suggestions?

I bought the jet combo and returned it the next week, the thing was so cheap and flimsy. Would stay away
Is this the 500 lbs jointer you got? I don't think is flimsy. 
no i had the 10" you could almost knock it over if you bumped into it to hard. the one in your pic looks much much better than what i had  ;)
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Offline Dane

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2011, 03:17 PM »
You might take a look at this thread: http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/most-economical-jointer-and-planer-for-around-$1000/msg98255/#msg98255 and scroll down to the discussion of the Rikon combo machine.  I have since gotten a chance to look at the unit in a shop and it is very solid, basically a copy of the much heralded Inca. 

Offline TJ Cornish

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2011, 03:42 PM »
You might take a look at this thread: http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/most-economical-jointer-and-planer-for-around-$1000/msg98255/#msg98255 and scroll down to the discussion of the Rikon combo machine.  I have since gotten a chance to look at the unit in a shop and it is very solid, basically a copy of the much heralded Inca. 

Here's a link that works:
Rikon thread

Offline fidelfs

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2011, 04:33 PM »
You can see here the Rikon 12 " combo, It is basically the same as the Jet but with some good improvements. It is easier to convert from jointer to planner and viceversa.

Rikon 12"

Woodcraft 1853.97 shipping and surcharge included. Rikon 12 at Woodcraft
Amazon 1799 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping Rikon 12 at Amazon
There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.

Offline Dane

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2011, 05:23 PM »
Thanks for fixing that link.. Never have figured that out.  The 10" Rikon is about 700.00 at Woodcraft.  Not as substantial as the 12" mentioned above, but certainly more affordable.

Offline ZenMystic

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2011, 12:18 PM »
Yep, it's got me in a dilemma right now. [huh]

I really don't want a 6 inch jointer even though the used powermatic I found is a super deal. I'm probably going to save a bit more cash and see if I can score one of the 12" combos from Rikon or Jet.  If wood working was a full time job instead of a obsessive hobby I could justify spending the money, but at present it's hard to come off that much cash for a nice 12" unit.

I may just get a "good" cheap lunchbox planer like a ridgid or makita using a sled for flattening and continue to use the router jig for jointing until I can move up to a better solution. In the mean time, I'll still have them do my milling at the yard. It's not a big deal, nor all that extra in cost.

The big issue is that I would love to be able to mill all the recycled lumber I get from old barns and houses in the area that are being torn down. I've got a big stack in our barn begging me to do something with it.
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Offline fidelfs

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2011, 04:01 PM »
This is my hobby too, but I was tired to ripping nice wood into 6 inches and then having the planner with more capacity.

I saved like you and look into ebay, I bought mine 12" combo in ebay, it cost me close to USD 1,600.00

There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.

Offline Jack Parks

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2011, 06:12 PM »
Hey Zen,

I don't know where you are located, but my local Woodcraft store in Matthews, NC has the 12" Rikon combo new on the showroom floor for $1297.  Their number is 704-847-8300, ask for Dennis.

Jack

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2011, 07:53 PM »
Thanks Jack! That's about 4 hours from me. I used to live in Waxaw, NC. I'm quite familiar with Matthews. This might just be the ticket. Thanks again!
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Offline Jack Parks

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2011, 12:33 PM »
Jeff,

If you make the trip to Matthews you might also want to check our Leneave Supply.  They have bought out some cabinet shops that have gone out of business and I know they have some used 8" jointers and possibly some planers.  They are in Charlotte and their phone number is 800-442-2302.

Also, I checked out your website and I'm impressed with your artwork and the fact that you are a movie star.  Ernest Goes to Camp was a funny movie.

Good Luck,

Jack

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2011, 01:30 PM »
Thanks Jack,

Movie Star!?!  Not quite, more like starving poster artist. LOL.... It was my 15 minutes of infamy....more like two or three. It was a fun experience. Getting to meet Jim Varney was fun. He was a such a great guy. Most of the footage we shot wound up on the editing room floor, but i got my little cameo right at the beginning. All the stunt riding on horses never made it into the film and so it goes.

I was just contacted by a local fellow who is selling his father's tools, many are still in the boxes and never were used. Lots of top shelf stuff. His father was a furniture and cabinet maker who loved high-end equipment but passed away while building his new shop. He's not even sure what all is in the building, but it looks very promising with what he mentioned while walking around describing it. I'm going down in the morning to dig through it all and see what's available. I may just find what I'm looking for at a great price. It would be really nice to get it locally and help him out.

If I don't come across what I need I will definitely be contacting those people you suggested. Thanks so much for the info.

--Jeff
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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2011, 01:19 PM »
Jack....Big Thanks!

I called the Woodcraft and confirmed the purchase of the Rikon. Thanks again for the lead. I really appreciate it. It was exactly what I was looking for.

This past weekend I contacted the local fellow who was selling off his Father's tools. I'm going to pick up a Sawstop Contractors setup with the T-Glide Pro Fence System & 36" Extension Table and the cast iron wings. It also has the dado set, extra dado brake, multiple table saw jigs, titanium sawstop blades, extra brakes and a mobile base. All new still in the boxes. [big grin] at a great price. Very Happy!

He also has a couple of DELTA 28-276 band saws. One is practically brand new, the other is basically a parts machine with no stand. He is willing to cut me a deal to take them just to get them out of the way. They get mixed reviews on amazon. Does anybody have any thoughts on these small saws? I need a band saw, but after these last two purchases I'm going to have to save some cash before I jump . Maybe these small ones will suffice until I come up with the cash or stumble into another deal I can't walk away from. Thoughts?
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Offline Jack Parks

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Re: Planers and Jointers
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2011, 11:14 PM »
Jeff,

I'm glad the Rikon jointer/planer will fit you needs.  I don't know anything about the machine but it seemed like a good price and the guys at this Woodcraft will take care of you.  Great score on the SawStop and accessories.  If I ever get rid of my Unisaw I wll probably get a SawStop.  The Delta bandsaw you mentioned is a 14", 3/4hp bandsaw with an open base.  I have an earlier version of this saw that was made in the USA that serves me well.  The 28-276 model is probably made in China but still might be a good saw.  You may need to change out the guides and get some good blades like Timberwolf's but it should do well for anything but resawing and it sounds like the price is right.

Have fun with your new toys.