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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2017, 06:32 PM »
The guys who came up with the Shaper are pretty amazing.  I would venture a guess that they wisely patented everything they could including the design on the tape.  You will have to pay to play just like inkjet printers.

I am not criticizing them.  I am applauding their business acumen.

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Offline antss

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2017, 07:10 PM »
I'm with Tim on this.  I can't see how many professionals will justify the expense of owning and using this.  While the stool above is darn clever, I don't see anyone lining up to pay $2100 for one. That's what it'd need to sell for to cover a decent shop rate plus materials given the stated time invested. And that doesn't really leave room for a profit.

If successful, these are going to land in shops like Glide's because they touch a nerve rather than fill a direct need.  I don't think they'll be used near as much as people who buy them think they will be.

As for the tape - these guys are geniuses. Recurring Monthly Revenue is the name of the game.  And they have the only game in town.  Another genius move - create a monopoly.

Offline Svar

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2017, 08:37 PM »
I can't see how many professionals will justify the expense of owning and using this.
I don't think anyone was under impression that Origin was made for mass market. It's a niche product, just like many other. What's the problem?

Offline antss

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2017, 10:29 PM »
There's  a problem with the Origin ?   I haven't heard of anything from the early reports, but I don't follow it that close.

Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2017, 10:58 PM »
Still no user videos or real world reviews with it out for a month now. Somewhat surprised.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2017, 11:12 PM »
Still no user videos or real world reviews with it out for a month now. Somewhat surprised.

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Offline Stoli

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2017, 10:34 AM »
Mine arrived just before Christmas. I need to carve out some time away from family to try it out.
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Offline greg mann

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2017, 12:50 PM »
Mine arrived just before Christmas. I need to carve out some time away from family to try it out.

You can actually use it to carve out time? [poke]
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Offline Stoli

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2017, 01:23 PM »
First project might be a clock...
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Offline zapdafish

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2017, 05:45 PM »
I ordered during phase 2 and just got my shipping notification   [big grin]
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Offline Stoli

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2017, 08:58 AM »
I had some time to play with my shaper origin, and so far I am pleased.

I am in the process of making a cabinet to store multiple HF small parts bins, ala adam savage and more recently bob Claggett from “I like to make stuff”. I wanted the dividers to have a cutout that matched the handles to make grabbing the bins easier.

It took me more time to design the shape in fusion 360 than it did to cut it out of mdf, which I then used as a template for the already cutout dividers. The design is not complicated (rectangular inset with 2x 5mm fillets and 2x 20mm fillets), but I need more fusion experience. Once designed, the origin addin to fusion created the svg, which was the placed on the flash drive.

I had some trouble aligning the drawing with the edge of the mdf, but I chalk this up to lack of experience. I am also not completely bought in to the concept of cutting all the parts out with the origin yet from a large piece of plywood - I would rather make templates and revert to known techniques;  this may change over time, but would end up using more shaper tape.

More to come.
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Offline ryanjg117

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2017, 11:45 PM »
I'm actually surprised they went with tape instead of some reusable targets. Moreover, in these days of SfM technology even those are not needed. You can orient your machine just by analyzing surrounding static objects (on the second thought processing time will be limiting).

This is actually a really good point that I've been thinking about... The tape is really unnecessary from a technological standpoint. Nowadays, vision systems are capable of detecting the most nuanced changes in contrast. A rudimentary example would be a computer mouse I just purchased for my mother this Christmas - a Logitech Anywhere MX 2 laptop mouse. A tiny thing, yet it is capable of working on virtually any surface material including glass... Which is pretty amazing when you consider it's a $40 device.

A smarter implementation would have been a vision system capable of tracking variations in constrast -- I'm thinking of the veneer patterns of birch ply or similar. Getting it to work on a flat material like MDF would be a bigger challenge I suppose. That's where re-usable target could come into play, defining the four corners of your stock.

I feel as though something like this could be right around the corner, which makes me hesitant to buy something like the Shaper right now. But the fancy systainer presentation, in the words of Moana, "calls to me."
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