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Offline mcooley

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Shaper Origin deliveries?
« on: November 06, 2017, 05:15 PM »
Anyone get their Shaper CNC routers delivered? Curious about first impressions and possible short-term and long-term issues etc.

Thanks

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2017, 10:13 PM »
I was wondering the same thing.  I figured that we'd be seeing people posting stuff about receiving their Shaper Origins, but I haven't seen anything yet.  Am I just not looking in the right place??? [blink]

Offline neilc

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 02:30 PM »
They are shipping but not that many have gone out so far.  The shaper community has a few actually active.  I am in batch 1 having ordered about 3 weeks after they announced and am anxiously awaiting a shipping notice!


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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2017, 10:25 AM »
Me too. Waiting for the second batch. Will apparently ship in January.
Love to see one in action.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2017, 11:29 AM »
Interested in real world feedback as well. No videos yet in the wild which are not produced or sponsored by Shaper.

Haven't purchased one but the website stays open for me daily as a reminder, since Nov 27th is the next price increase.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2017, 05:01 PM by bnaboatbuilder »
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Offline Aclaw

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2017, 11:37 AM »
I received mine last Wednesday, and was very impressed with the shipping and double boxing.  It seems to have arrived intact, but I hope to get into it this extended weekend for some potential gift making.  I will report back once I get to use it.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2017, 02:07 PM »
Who made the spindle? Did Festool have anything to do with the spindle or only the Systainer?

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2017, 02:22 PM »
The router is Festool produced according to their marketing.  The systainer is just a logical progression.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2017, 02:23 PM »
@Michael Kellough the spindle is made by Festool.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2017, 03:47 PM »
My guess this will be branded a Festool Shaper in Europe. Watching with great interest

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2017, 04:02 PM »
@Aclaw - Have you had a chance to actually use it? How much tape do they include? How has it performed?

Some other easy questions:

- What collets are included? Can I use the collets from my OF1400 since I've heard they're using a Festool router?

- What have you thought of the dust collection so far? I prefer using downcut spiral bits in my plywood as they leave a laser finish on the surface, but they tend to impact dust. Curious if the DC is strong enough to pull it out.

- What is the max plunge depth?

- When you go off course, has it "pulled out" as designed and is the workpiece still recoverable?

I got out of line on the pre-order at $1699 (I had one referral bonus) as I had to put a down payment on a house and was scrounging the couch cushions, but might be willing to get back in line if they'd offer to honor that original price.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2017, 04:11 PM »
Watching a Shaper demo video while ago with the CEO, he said the Festool 1/4" and 8mm collets can be used with their spindle. Most likely just the 1/4' included though.

First of three instructional videos:


- What collets are included? Can I use the collets from my OF1400 since I've heard they're using a Festool router?

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2017, 04:18 PM »
Thanks, watching the video now.

Bummed about the price of tape: $18 for 150 foot roll. Due to the way you have to layer the tape, that entire roll of 150 feet of tape will only last through 1.5 sheets of 4x8 plywood according to Origin.

That means you're looking at about $12 in JUST tape costs for each full sheet of plywood - notwithstanding the cost of router bits which we all know can be significant.

Bummer.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2017, 04:43 PM »
@ryanjg117  I am also disappointed in the two rolls of tape. I'm going to try to make some type of reusable jig with a cutout.  I'm nervous about what if this company goes under and I'm out of tape then I'm screwed.  Maybe I can engrave the tape dimensions and style into a spoilboard jig or something similar. 

Basically its a Festool 700 motor and accepts those collets.  I haven't used mine at all (haven't even taken the machine out of the systainer)  Hope to this upcoming weekend though.  Really going to see if the USB interface is as easy as portrayed.

Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2017, 04:48 PM »
The tape has made me start thinking about other ways of doing all this than just covering a sheet.

If you're working with smaller pieces of precut wood, a few square feet or more, example like cutting boards or planks of real wood, then a permanent fixture table with tape on it would be convenient. Have an actual workpiece snuggle into and flush with the fixture/tape/table top idea similar to a spoil board. The tape is of no use directly under the router from everything I see but instead tape further out so the camera can view it for reference. For me there are so many things I could make and design where a full sheet concept is irrelevant.

Can a spray painted template be used when the pattern on a work piece doesn't matter? It seems there will have to be some creative ways of overcoming the excessive amount of Shaper tape that will be needed. Will there be 3rd party tape or is it intellectual property tape? What if the pattern could be projected onto the surface by electronic means instead of physical tape. To me the ideas will grow rapidly if the tape is a hurdle.

Thanks, watching the video now.

Bummed about the price of tape: $18 for 150 foot roll. Due to the way you have to layer the tape, that entire roll of 150 feet of tape will only last through 1.5 sheets of 4x8 plywood according to Origin.

That means you're looking at about $12 in JUST tape costs for each full sheet of plywood - notwithstanding the cost of router bits which we all know can be significant.

Bummer.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2017, 04:51 PM by bnaboatbuilder »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2017, 05:37 PM »
I doubt Shaper is in the tape manufacturing business. If they sub it out to someone else you just need that someone to keep it in production.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2017, 05:39 PM »
Ryan - IF you are on the waiting list with an order you can join the Shaper community - http://community.shapertools.com - as they are starting to discuss jigs, techniques, the F360 Plugin, etc. 

I think you have to have a tool on order to participate.

Neil
« Last Edit: November 20, 2017, 07:21 PM by neilc »

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2017, 05:39 PM »
I think the spoilerboard concept is a good once, and yes, you could re-use the tape by just putting it on an adjacent work surface of the same height, but that only works if all your workpieces are the same thickness and highly repeatable.

What I'm starting to discover is Shaper is really only a good solution for smaller work. If you're cutting full sheets all day long, the tape is going to kill you.

Moot point as they didn't offer to honor my previous referral discount, nor the second-batch price.

Guess I'll just build a machine for about $1,000 more.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2017, 05:41 PM »
@Aclaw  - when did you place your order?  Curious as to how far along they are with fulfillment -

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2017, 05:48 PM »
I think the spoilerboard concept is a good once, and yes, you could re-use the tape by just putting it on an adjacent work surface of the same height, but that only works if all your workpieces are the same thickness and highly repeatable.
I'm sure you can simply enter depth of cut as your material +/- the offset.

I'm actually surprised they went with tape instead of some reusable targets. Moreover, in these days of SfM technology even those are not needed. You can orient your machine just by analyzing surrounding static objects (on the second thought processing time will be limiting).
« Last Edit: November 20, 2017, 05:50 PM by Svar »

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2017, 05:57 PM »
@Aclaw  - when did you place your order?  Curious as to how far along they are with fulfillment -

@neilc I ordered mine on August 23, 2016

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2017, 02:24 AM »
I think the spoilerboard concept is a good once, and yes, you could re-use the tape by just putting it on an adjacent work surface of the same height, but that only works if all your workpieces are the same thickness and highly repeatable.

What I'm starting to discover is Shaper is really only a good solution for smaller work. If you're cutting full sheets all day long, the tape is going to kill you.

Moot point as they didn't offer to honor my previous referral discount, nor the second-batch price.

Guess I'll just build a machine for about $1,000 more.

That it was for smaller occasional work was kinda obvious to me since the day I saw it, with something of this power capacity, to cut full sheets you're looking at literally hours spent guiding that thing by hand, and I assume most will only be able to do this on the floor on their knees.
When you factor in the price of the tape and the time spent guiding it, then I don't know if a professional user can justify using this for production at all vs outsourcing.
I can see though that it could really shine in doing very limited cnc work on custom projects, or for non professional users.
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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2017, 08:04 AM »
I think the spoilerboard concept is a good once, and yes, you could re-use the tape by just putting it on an adjacent work surface of the same height, but that only works if all your workpieces are the same thickness and highly repeatable.

What I'm starting to discover is Shaper is really only a good solution for smaller work. If you're cutting full sheets all day long, the tape is going to kill you.

Moot point as they didn't offer to honor my previous referral discount, nor the second-batch price.

Guess I'll just build a machine for about $1,000 more.

That it was for smaller occasional work was kinda obvious to me since the day I saw it, with something of this power capacity, to cut full sheets you're looking at literally hours spent guiding that thing by hand, and I assume most will only be able to do this on the floor on their knees.
When you factor in the price of the tape and the time spent guiding it, then I don't know if a professional user can justify using this for production at all vs outsourcing.
I can see though that it could really shine in doing very limited cnc work on custom projects, or for non professional users.

As a hobbyist with no space for a proper CNC this machine appeals to me. I could even use it to build one of those MFSC that some clever guy came up with. . . [wink]

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2017, 09:57 AM »
I for one have no delusion that the Shaper is a replacement for a full CNC table setup. It's not a replacement. It should be looked at as a complimentary method but also a method for ideas, prototyping, one-offs, and so much more. The strength of the Shaper and it's appeal is it's portability, small storage, no footprint in the shop, being able to CNC on a workpiece which can't be brought to a full CNC table.

Sure I'd love to have a full CNC table for both wood and plasma cutting. But that is not going to happen. What the shaper would allow is performing creative CNC work when I want and where I want. I could make templets from MDF to be used for plasma cut pieces, much quicker than a bandsaw and spindle sander.

What goes through my head are the projects just from the last 2 years where I wish I had a Shaper and how much easier something would have been, or I wouldn't have had to outsource something.
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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2017, 10:22 AM »
I for one have no delusion that the Shaper is a replacement for a full CNC table setup. It's not a replacement. It should be looked at as a complimentary method but also a method for ideas, prototyping, one-offs, and so much more. The strength of the Shaper and it's appeal is it's portability, small storage, no footprint in the shop, being able to CNC on a workpiece which can't be brought to a full CNC table.

Sure I'd love to have a full CNC table for both wood and plasma cutting. But that is not going to happen. What the shaper would allow is performing creative CNC work when I want and where I want. I could make templets from MDF to be used for plasma cut pieces, much quicker than a bandsaw and spindle sander.

What goes through my head are the projects just from the last 2 years where I wish I had a Shaper and how much easier something would have been, or I wouldn't have had to outsource something.

Please elaborate.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2017, 10:46 AM »
not my video but you get the idea:

I love my Hypertherm 30xp but hand cutting curves is not very accurate or aesthetically pleasing. One off or repetitive cuts are better with templets.

I for one have no delusion that the Shaper is a replacement for a full CNC table setup. It's not a replacement. It should be looked at as a complimentary method but also a method for ideas, prototyping, one-offs, and so much more. The strength of the Shaper and it's appeal is it's portability, small storage, no footprint in the shop, being able to CNC on a workpiece which can't be brought to a full CNC table.

Sure I'd love to have a full CNC table for both wood and plasma cutting. But that is not going to happen. What the shaper would allow is performing creative CNC work when I want and where I want. I could make templets from MDF to be used for plasma cut pieces, much quicker than a bandsaw and spindle sander.

What goes through my head are the projects just from the last 2 years where I wish I had a Shaper and how much easier something would have been, or I wouldn't have had to outsource something.

Please elaborate.
- John

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2017, 10:53 AM »
Thanks for the video! I hoped that's what you meant but I had just assumed the wooden template would burn.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2017, 01:06 PM »
As a hobbyist with no space for a proper CNC this machine appeals to me. I could even use it to build one of those MFSC that some clever guy came up with. . . [wink]
That would be one great use for the shaper, a one off project where a handful of parts are ideally made by CNC. I wouldn't cut out the whole project though, most parts are square and would take ages to cut by a shaper, vs seconds with a table saw.
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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2017, 02:51 PM »
I found this YouTube which shows a project that uses an entire 4 x 8 sheet of plywood and which would likely only be amenable to a conventional CNC machine as an alternative.  The author, on his website, states he spent 20 hours building the stool and learning how to use the tool. 



IMO, the guy didn't waste any money.  Of course, since I'm waiting for mine, I may be biased.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2017, 05:59 PM »
  I'm pre-ordered for the second run of them. I'm looking at it through the matrix of on site cnc capabilities, jig making, much cooler custom workbenches, etc, etc. I'm thinking I can find uses for it.
 Moderately concerned about the tape. If I use it on the jobsite, it incurs a per-use set up fee. At the very least, the cost of a fresh roll of tape.
 

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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2017, 06:32 PM »
The guys who came up with the Shaper are pretty amazing.  I would venture a guess that they wisely patented everything they could including the design on the tape.  You will have to pay to play just like inkjet printers.

I am not criticizing them.  I am applauding their business acumen.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2017, 07:10 PM »
I'm with Tim on this.  I can't see how many professionals will justify the expense of owning and using this.  While the stool above is darn clever, I don't see anyone lining up to pay $2100 for one. That's what it'd need to sell for to cover a decent shop rate plus materials given the stated time invested. And that doesn't really leave room for a profit.

If successful, these are going to land in shops like Glide's because they touch a nerve rather than fill a direct need.  I don't think they'll be used near as much as people who buy them think they will be.

As for the tape - these guys are geniuses. Recurring Monthly Revenue is the name of the game.  And they have the only game in town.  Another genius move - create a monopoly.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2017, 08:37 PM »
I can't see how many professionals will justify the expense of owning and using this.
I don't think anyone was under impression that Origin was made for mass market. It's a niche product, just like many other. What's the problem?

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2017, 10:29 PM »
There's  a problem with the Origin ?   I haven't heard of anything from the early reports, but I don't follow it that close.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2017, 10:58 PM »
Still no user videos or real world reviews with it out for a month now. Somewhat surprised.
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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2017, 11:12 PM »
Still no user videos or real world reviews with it out for a month now. Somewhat surprised.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2017, 10:34 AM »
Mine arrived just before Christmas. I need to carve out some time away from family to try it out.
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« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2017, 12:50 PM »
Mine arrived just before Christmas. I need to carve out some time away from family to try it out.

You can actually use it to carve out time? [poke]
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« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2017, 01:23 PM »
First project might be a clock...
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« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2017, 05:45 PM »
I ordered during phase 2 and just got my shipping notification   [big grin]
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« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2017, 08:58 AM »
I had some time to play with my shaper origin, and so far I am pleased.

I am in the process of making a cabinet to store multiple HF small parts bins, ala adam savage and more recently bob Claggett from “I like to make stuff”. I wanted the dividers to have a cutout that matched the handles to make grabbing the bins easier.

It took me more time to design the shape in fusion 360 than it did to cut it out of mdf, which I then used as a template for the already cutout dividers. The design is not complicated (rectangular inset with 2x 5mm fillets and 2x 20mm fillets), but I need more fusion experience. Once designed, the origin addin to fusion created the svg, which was the placed on the flash drive.

I had some trouble aligning the drawing with the edge of the mdf, but I chalk this up to lack of experience. I am also not completely bought in to the concept of cutting all the parts out with the origin yet from a large piece of plywood - I would rather make templates and revert to known techniques;  this may change over time, but would end up using more shaper tape.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2017, 11:45 PM »
I'm actually surprised they went with tape instead of some reusable targets. Moreover, in these days of SfM technology even those are not needed. You can orient your machine just by analyzing surrounding static objects (on the second thought processing time will be limiting).

This is actually a really good point that I've been thinking about... The tape is really unnecessary from a technological standpoint. Nowadays, vision systems are capable of detecting the most nuanced changes in contrast. A rudimentary example would be a computer mouse I just purchased for my mother this Christmas - a Logitech Anywhere MX 2 laptop mouse. A tiny thing, yet it is capable of working on virtually any surface material including glass... Which is pretty amazing when you consider it's a $40 device.

A smarter implementation would have been a vision system capable of tracking variations in constrast -- I'm thinking of the veneer patterns of birch ply or similar. Getting it to work on a flat material like MDF would be a bigger challenge I suppose. That's where re-usable target could come into play, defining the four corners of your stock.

I feel as though something like this could be right around the corner, which makes me hesitant to buy something like the Shaper right now. But the fancy systainer presentation, in the words of Moana, "calls to me."
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« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2018, 08:40 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2018, 11:14 PM »
Sweet..............................I’m jealous.

Crank that thing up and let us know how good it is...I know it’s good I’m just annoyed I didn’t pull the plug.  Shame on me...

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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2018, 05:10 AM »
My only frustration is that in between work and commissions I'm booked solid for the next few weeks, and won't be able to start putting it to to the test until mid April at the earliest.
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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2018, 08:37 AM »
Hey Edward, just curious what your first Shaper project will be?

Got anything particular in mind?

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« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2018, 08:47 AM »
I've had mine for better than a month now and other than unpacking and buying a sign making trio of bits from Toolstoday...nada.  I hoping this weekend to give it a whirl.  Going to make UHMW round inserts  for my bandsaw as my initial project.  Tablesaw and chopsaw inserts will be next.   Being computer design challenged...mostly because I've always adhered to 3M's "do it, try it, fix" school of design and lack of patience, I'm mostly going to experiment with the built in shape and copy functions.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2018, 02:33 PM »
Received my Origin a few weeks back.  Have done a few things with it experimenting...

- Drill press table replaceable insert
- Ribbon rack for my wife to test accuracy of through mortises
- Sign made from cedar


I’ve used Fusion, Graphic for Mac, and SketchUp to do the designs.  For larger projects Origin will be one element of a workflow.  I have used the engraving bit to lightly mark cut lines on large pieces and then use my track saw to cut them.  This works great. 

Accuracy has been very good so far.  Depth of cut is up to 1.5” on the Z axis.  Recovering from a cut error due to getting off track is better at shallow depths thus far.  But like any tool there is a learning curve.  Don’t try hard maple at 3/4 depth and expect a finished cut.  But there are users cutting hardwoods with a rousing bit at 3/8 depth and then a low finish cut.  So 3 passes on 3/4 material.

Like many on the Origin forum, I made 3/4 x 48 x 6” and 10” tape boards and tend to clamp a piece between them on my MFT table.  I slightly recessed the tape in .75 x .03 dados below the surface for reusability and have been happy so far.  There is an active owners group on ShaperTools.com and we have seen printable dominos on paper as an alternative but have not heard much about the cost of tape vs convenience and small footprint that Origin offers.  There are also online tools for doing a grid of holes for 32mm or MFT tops, so lots of potential. 

The unit IS sensitive to surface variations.  I just shim up the piece I am cutting to the tape board and it works fine.  I did try rough sawn cedar on the sign but with cupped boards and slight thickness variations I had to thickness sand out most of the roughness.

The Origin forum has a lot of interesting projects from engraving to joinery, signmaking, pattern making, and full on desks, jewelry boxes, inlay, etc.  I don’t think it replaces a production CNC but it has it’s place in lots of projects and can do things you cannot do with a larger CNC.

Online orders have been stopped as I think they are about to turn on retail with Rockler. 

Neil
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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2018, 09:28 AM »
Received my Origin a few weeks back.  Have done a few things with it experimenting...

- Ribbon rack for my wife to test accuracy of through mortises
- Sign made from cedar


Neil, I like the sign a lot.  [smile]

On the ribbon rack, how close are the mating fits between the sides and the cross bars?

For instance, on the vertical sides, if you dimension the cross bar cutout at 1.50" wide, would you also dimension the cross bar width at 1.50" and expect a snug line-to-line fit, or is there some dimensional compensation that needs to be done?

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2018, 01:18 PM »
Hi,

Love that ribbon rack Neil! Great idea and looks really nice!

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

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« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2018, 05:26 PM »
Thanks Cheese -


Those were cut with no offset, so the mortise was an inside cut to the thickness of the tendon as measured with my caliper.  It fight snugly but did not require much force. 


What’s cool about the Shaper is you can do + or - offsets in 1/1000 of an inch.  For thin inlay you may want -.001 offset on the inlay for example, but it lets you sneak up on the distance on tool. 


Some guys on the forum have done work with 1/32 bits for finely detailed inlays with leaves and stems in a cutting board, for example and used the offsets to fine tune the fit.  The direct interactivity on tool is very different than a CNC where I have had to redo the CAM portion and post G-code. 
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« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2018, 05:29 PM »
Six-point


Thanks!


My wife wanted the ribbon rack and loves it. Made the Shaper an ‘easy justification’ for her.  WAF is always important (Wife Acceptance Factor!)

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« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2018, 11:48 PM »
Finally getting around to fooling around with the Shaper.  Super precise and pretty intuitive, but it takes a bit longer to cut than I would have imagined.  Right now I'm just doing a few practice projects, like this wall mounted storage case for my squares.  It's cool that you can do basic designing and shape placement on the fly.  I'm not that skilled in digital design, though, so I'm going to have to devote some amount of time to getting into the software so that I can start making more complex shapes.


 
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« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2018, 12:14 AM »
What’s cool about the Shaper is you can do + or - offsets in 1/1000 of an inch.  For thin inlay you may want -.001 offset on the inlay for example, but it lets you sneak up on the distance on tool. 

Neil...I’ve lived my entire adult working life in .001 or .0005 increments. Whether using a knee mill, lathe or jig grinder, those are the numbers I understand. To be able to machine wood to within .001” is incredible. It grows more than that after a rain storm.  [eek]

I need to get myself off the stump and purchase one of these gems.

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Re: Shaper Origin deliveries?
« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2018, 11:32 AM »
Ed, do you really need that density of tape for a simple project? Looks like about 30 feet consumed.

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« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2018, 01:55 PM »
No...but I found my initial placement of the tape was not optimal, and so I ended up having to put down additional tape and rescan to ensure the machine's recognition of the workspace after it started to cut through some of it.  I have a better sense now of proper tape application.

 
Ed, do you really need that density of tape for a simple project? Looks like about 30 feet consumed.
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« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2018, 05:57 PM »
A trick I've used with the tape placement is to place the Shaper so the cutter is approximately at the bottom of my project, turning scan on, and then start placing tape so it shows in the screen.  There is no need for tape about 6-8" from the bottom of your pattern.  Instead of placing tape completely across the sheet or piece, I move the machine around approximately where the pattern will be and place tape.  Also, if you run into an area where the machine loses sight of enough tape, you can place more tape and add to the original scan.  I did this over the weekend while making a 11.2" hole in a plywood for my son-in-law's Oneida bucket to fit into on the mobile dust collection cart he was making.  I placed the tape in a diamond pattern and pivoted the machine as we went around the circle to keep the tape in sight.  I figure that I used about 1/3 less tape that way.

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« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2018, 07:17 PM »
For smaller projects I've been using a "tape jig" which is about 36" wide and maybe 12" high. So anything 24"w by 12"h in front of it can be cut with no tape applied to the workpiece. Also being conscious of rotating Origin as you cut , towards the center of the tape jig keeps plenty of markers in view. This has been one of the best tools I've every purchased.

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« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2018, 09:17 PM »
@Luzzy can I trouble you for a picture of said tape jig?
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« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2018, 09:26 PM »
Edward -


I took a 48" x 12" piece of 3/4" ply and routed grooves in it to slightly capture the Shaper Tape.  Grooves were cut every 3".  I did a similar piece that was 6" wide with a couple of grooves in it. That gives me flexibility for different sized projects.  Sometimes I'll put both on one side of a project, other times I'll capture the project between them if I will be routing from multiple sides.  In general you only need tape forward of the Shaper.  And some of the experiments show that keeping a consistent orientation of the unit (generally facing North, for example) will improve accuracy a bit versus scanning in a 180 or even 360 motion.

The grooves are maybe .02" deep or so to just place the tape slightly below the surface to reduce wear on the tape.  Just ran them through the router table with a 3/4 bit and rounded over the edges of the ply to prevent splinters.  I then put satin water based poly for wear resistance on the ply.  Once dry, lay the Shaper tape in them and use a piece of wood or a wallpaper roller to press the edges flat into the groove. 

it works great for many projects.  I've yet to replace the tape on them.

You might want to spend some time on the Shaper forum.  Plenty of examples of workspaces and jigs that are being done there.  One guy did a cool 'taper' table with a tape board to let him do inlaid work on tapered legs. 

Nice to see you starting to get some use out of the tool.  I just repaired three windows in my home that had some wood rot in them and used the Shaper to cut out the rot and then cut a replacement piece from hard maple to drop into the recess.  Amazing what the tool can do with a little time and experimentation.


BTW, I use simple 2D drawing programs for creating my SVG's.  You can also use 3D programs like Fusion 360 or Sketchup, but the 2D ones are great for simple projects iike you laid out above.

I use Graphic for the Mac.  Others use Affinity Designer, Inkscape, or even Adobe Illustrator. 

neil
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« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2018, 09:56 PM »
@Luzzy can I trouble you for a picture of said tape jig?

Its basically just a piece of 3/4" stock with tape on it:) In this photo I added a couple strips of tape above my cut but you can see the clamped piece of pine above it....

Neil has a good description of what many have done. The Shaper forums are filled with great information and people ready to help!

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« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2018, 10:08 PM »
Luzzy - your Vespa sign is a fantastic project for Shaper! 


Did you also do the foam one that was on the forum?


SO cool.





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« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2018, 10:19 PM »
I did - that picture was a sample I made for the owner - then I cut in foam. Origin is a crazy tool that if half the guys realized ( and eventually they will) how good it is and how creative you can be , they'd all want one in their shops...

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« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2018, 11:07 AM »

BTW, I use simple 2D drawing programs for creating my SVG's.  You can also use 3D programs like Fusion 360 or Sketchup, but the 2D ones are great for simple projects iike you laid out above.

I use Graphic for the Mac.  Others use Affinity Designer, Inkscape, or even Adobe Illustrator. 


Hey @neilc , I'm curious about the Graphic for Mac software. Is it capable of producing a simple 2D drawing such as these?




My present CAD software can save & export files in the .CAD-.DFX-.DWG-.SKF-.BMP-.JPG & .WMF formats. Is Graphic for Mac capable of importing any of these formats? I'm not really looking for rendering capabilities at the moment, just looking to create simple drawings and also something that will work with the Shaper.

I really want to dump the Windows system and Quick Cad is what's preventing me from doing that. The other option is to spend $5000 for AutoCad software for the Mac. NOT!!!
« Last Edit: May 18, 2018, 11:18 AM by Cheese »

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« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2018, 02:57 PM »
Yes it will draw those. But I'd suggest you try Fusion 360.  It's free for makers who make less than $100K a year from their maker craft.  You don't have to go to 3D.  You can just sketch in it on 2D with plenty of power, dimensions, etc.  And if you want to move to 3D its built in.  As is Rendering, CAM, etc.  Ton's of videos on YouTube for learning it.  Here's a quick one on an intro to woodworking you might find of interest -

Fusion will handle most CAD format files as well as JPG and SVG.

Fusion runs on Mac or Windows, is fully cloud based, so you can start on Mac or Windows and finish up on the the other, collaborate with others, etc.  They have an iPhone and iPad app for accessing and viewing the files in the cloud.

Graphic will import and export SVG, JPG. JPG, GIF, TIFF, PSD (photoshop), PDF.  I don't think it will handle CAD file formats like DXF. 

Graphic will draw those files you listed, but it's import capabilities are a bit limited.  It has dimensional accuracy, alignment tools, layers, etc.  But I think for drawings like the second one, it would not be my first choice given things like the circle intersecting the angled lines, etc.

Graphic details are at www.Graphic.com.  Fusion details are at Fusion360.AutoDesk.com

Interestingly, both are Autodesk products.

And if you want to go deeper with Fusion, Udemy has their course on sale for $11.99.  It's 8 hours total of video instruction.  Pretty good deal...

https://www.udemy.com/fusion360/learn/v4/overview

Let me know if you have other questions -

neil


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« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2018, 04:03 PM »
@neilc

“Graphic will draw those files you listed, but it's import capabilities are a bit limited.”

What’s the difference between drawing and importing? Do you mean you can make and export those file types but can’t necessarily import them?

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« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2018, 07:07 PM »
It is more of a graphic design app than a CAD app. So it will not import the more common CAD formats like DXF or Autocad.