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Offline ThePoplarShop

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TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« on: March 29, 2017, 08:06 PM »
I wanted to share a video I made showing the brilliance of @TSO Products GRS-16 guide rail square.

I know this product has been talked about on the FOG in the past.  But for anyone who is new or not familiar with the results the
GRS-16 can give someone using a track saw hopefully this video will help.




Full disclosure.  TSO Products sent me the GRS-16 to review.  THANKS HANS !   It's a fantastic accessory.  I haven't taken it off my 55" rail since I received it.   I'm calling it a must have accessory for track saw users.   

Take care,
Eric

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Offline overanalyze

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2017, 09:55 PM »
Nice video!

Offline festoolnoobie

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2017, 01:19 PM »
Just received my GRS-16 this week and on the first cut perfectly square just as seen in the video.  Great product - highly recommended for those potentially sitting on the fence.  I don't see myself taking this off the rail very often as I'll use it that much.   

Offline Svar

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2017, 01:32 PM »
@TSO Products , any plans to introduce guide rail protractor? Same clip-on mechanism but adjustable angle?

Offline DrD

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2017, 01:59 PM »
Thanks Eric @erock for another simple yet informative video. 

I was on the fence - no pun intended - about this because I have several other options that I'm currently using, but the ease of use without a bunch of fiddling may push me over. 

Now, I'm just waiting to see what gizmos @TSO_Products  are adding to their next iteration, and what the cost will be.
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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2017, 01:07 AM »
@TSO Products , any plans to introduce guide rail protractor? Same clip-on mechanism but adjustable angle?

@Svar - we are very far along with a new tool to enable a tracksaw user to cut any angle between 0 and 360 degrees - as you would expect -  very precisely and repeatably.

We are building up inventory prior to an announcement in  April. Subscribe to our TSO INSIDER  newsletter on our tsoproducts.com to be the first to see details.

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Offline Kev

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2017, 06:55 AM »
I just want to throw into the mix that I recently had the need to cut a lot of 90's and was lucky enough to receive my GRS prior ... it made the work a doddle and I was happier cutting with the TSC/FS/GRS combo than the HKC/FSK.

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2017, 09:00 AM »
Hans,  do you have some sort of agreement with Rockler to carry your products?

I ask , because I find the royal blue anodizing a curious color choice for an accessory geared towards Festool.

It looks like a great item .  Looking forward to the angle version.

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2017, 10:35 AM »
@TSO Products , any plans to introduce guide rail protractor? Same clip-on mechanism but adjustable angle?

@Svar - we are very far along with a new tool to enable a tracksaw user to cut any angle between 0 and 360 degrees - as you would expect -  very precisely and repeatably.

We are building up inventory prior to an announcement in  April. Subscribe to our TSO INSIDER  newsletter on our tsoproducts.com to be the first to see details.

Hans
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Oh, I just placed my order for the GSR-16 Wednesday. Can I defer to get the newer version, assuming it does 90's the same way? Or would it make sense to have both?

Offline festoolnoobie

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2017, 12:17 PM »
@TSO Products , any plans to introduce guide rail protractor? Same clip-on mechanism but adjustable angle?

@Svar - we are very far along with a new tool to enable a tracksaw user to cut any angle between 0 and 360 degrees - as you would expect -  very precisely and repeatably.

We are building up inventory prior to an announcement in  April. Subscribe to our TSO INSIDER  newsletter on our tsoproducts.com to be the first to see details.

Hans
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Hans, will this capability be retroactively adaptable to the GRS-16?  I just received mine this week and really love it, but would like the ability to cut at angles as well (and hope to not buy a totally different unit).  Thanks ahead of time for any clarifications! Great product.


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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2017, 02:12 PM »
@TSO Products , any plans to introduce guide rail protractor? Same clip-on mechanism but adjustable angle?

@Svar - we are very far along with a new tool to enable a tracksaw user to cut any angle between 0 and 360 degrees - as you would expect -  very precisely and repeatably.

We are building up inventory prior to an announcement in  April. Subscribe to our TSO INSIDER  newsletter on our tsoproducts.com to be the first to see details.

Hans
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Wish I had checked here before I ordered the GRS-16 PE this morning.  [sad]
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Offline Svar

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2017, 02:26 PM »
Wish I had checked here before I ordered the GRS-16 PE this morning.  [sad]

I'm guessing the protractor version will be x3 the cost of GRS-16.

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2017, 07:18 AM »
I need to order a PE or the new one to support an on-site Eagle Scout construction project in the next couple of weeks.  I'd really like to know about the angle-version ASAP.  Even if you are awaiting inventory build-up, since it's now April, could you PLEASE let us know what the new product is and what it will likely cost so we can compare to the GRS and PE in order to make a decision.  Thanks.
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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2017, 11:02 PM »
Hans,  do you have some sort of agreement with Rockler to carry your products?

I ask , because I find the royal blue anodizing a curious color choice for an accessory geared towards Festool.

It looks like a great item .  Looking forward to the angle version.
@antss   interesting question with pretty simple answer(s):
1. NO - we don't have any agreement with any retailer and especially not with ine dropped by Festool.
2. Anodizing is a finishing process chosen to protect the bare aluminum against corrosion and to some degree against wear. It also prevent the bare alumunim from rubbing off on your workpiece(s). For our tools it is  purely functional and not cosmetic.
3. Anodizing is performed in a serious of large tanks including one stage which applies the dye to the part. We wanted a color other than BLACK and certainly not RED. For readability of engraving we needed a contrasting color. For production lead-time (turn-around) considerations we needed a color that is in production all the time - BLUE is such a color.
It is possible to have most any custom color but that requires that the dye tank is flushed and refilled with a unique dye such as GREEN. When the production lot is run, the non-standard dye tank is drained again and returned to standard production dye colors. In the case of our friends with RED - that is also a fairly common color. So GREEN is  also possible - but not a good contrast for engraving. It would also cause confusion as to whether this is a FESTOOL brand product and therefore be a candidate for infringement on intellectual property owned by FESTOOL.
- more than you wanted to know. probably some of the same reasons why KREG and BETTERLY are also  using BLUE along with makers of aluminum aerospace hose coupling and more.
4. watch for other finish colors on some of our new components with different requirements.

Glad you asked - the topic has come up before and will again, I expect.
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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2017, 11:15 PM »
@TSO Products , any plans to introduce guide rail protractor? Same clip-on mechanism but adjustable angle?

@Svar - we are very far along with a new tool to enable a tracksaw user to cut any angle between 0 and 360 degrees - as you would expect -  very precisely and repeatably.

We are building up inventory prior to an announcement in  April. Subscribe to our TSO INSIDER  newsletter on our tsoproducts.com to be the first to see details.

Hans
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Wish I had checked here before I ordered the GRS-16 PE this morning.  [sad]

You won't be disappointed with the GRS-16 PE.

Tom

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2017, 11:24 PM »
@TSO Products , any plans to introduce guide rail protractor? Same clip-on mechanism but adjustable angle?

@Svar - we are very far along with a new tool to enable a tracksaw user to cut any angle between 0 and 360 degrees - as you would expect -  very precisely and repeatably.

We are building up inventory prior to an announcement in  April. Subscribe to our TSO INSIDER  newsletter on our tsoproducts.com to be the first to see details.

Hans
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Wish I had checked here before I ordered the GRS-16 PE this morning.  [sad]

@Bob D.  - thank you your GRS-16 PE  order but let me re-assure you on two points:

1. Our new tool for setting any angle complements but does not replace the GRS-16 for fast and accurate 90 degree cuts.

2. We will refund your entire purchase price including shipping if you discover that you would prefer a different choice from TSo or anyone else. We want you to be completely satisfied - no quibbling.

3. Enjoy your GRS-16 PE now and re-evaluate your needs and tool choice when you see details of our new MTR-18  later this month.

hope that puts you at ease.

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2017, 11:32 PM »
Hans,  do you have some sort of agreement with Rockler to carry your products?

I ask , because I find the royal blue anodizing a curious color choice for an accessory geared towards Festool.

It looks like a great item .  Looking forward to the angle version.

In addition to what Hans said I will note that when you see the color in person it is actually a different blue than Rockler or Kreg. Somewhat more muted and less royal but very nice color. 

Seth

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2017, 12:22 AM »
It is possible to have most any custom color but that requires that the dye tank is flushed and refilled with a unique dye such as GREEN. When the production lot is run, the non-standard dye tank is drained again and returned to standard production dye colors. In the case of our friends with RED - that is also a fairly common color. So GREEN is  also possible - but not a good contrast for engraving. It would also cause confusion as to whether this is a FESTOOL brand product and therefore be a candidate for infringement on intellectual property owned by FESTOOL.
- more than you wanted to know.

Hey Hans,
Thanks for your simple yet very inclusive explanation of some seemingly small yet large issues that need to be considered in the manufacturing process. If a person has never been exposed to the manufacturing arena, the process may seem simple, yet in order to get product out the door...within budget...on time...within manufacturing tolerances...packaged securely and delivered without damage, is an art. Throw in the potential intellectual property and patent infringement issues that abound and it's a bonus round. The more knowledge that's shared, the smarter we all become.  Thanks Hans

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2017, 10:59 PM »
How is this different from the Qwas square?
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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2017, 11:12 PM »
How is this different from the Qwas square?

The TSO GRS-16 is self squaring when you lock it (with the clamp) to the guide rail with the clamp. You do not have to remove any of the anti skid foam from the rail to use it.

Tom

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2017, 12:59 AM »
How is this different from the Qwas square?
@suds  -fair enough question. Most telling that just recently a FOG member offered his QWAS Square and his WP Track Square for sale. I was curious what was behind that so I reached out to the seller. He told me he didn't need them now that he has a GRS-16 from TSO  [big grin]
Both of those earlier products have the same shortcomings and the dissatisfaction with that concept drove us to develop the GRS-16 solution which is now well accepted.

The biggest issue is that the QWAS concept is not itself a square - it requires a precision Triangle or similar reference square to compensate for the slop between the Track t-slot and the hex bolts in addition to the slop for bolt clearance in the square.
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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2017, 02:31 PM »
im sure someone asked this but ive not seen the answer, how much rail space does the square take up ? in other words can you still use a 1400 to crosscut an 8 x 4 sheet?

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2017, 08:23 PM »
im sure someone asked this but ive not seen the answer, how much rail space does the square take up ? in other words can you still use a 1400 to crosscut an 8 x 4 sheet?

I don't have mine in front of me but I will guess about 5-6". So the 1400 would be "shy by a bit for crosscutting.  I use the larger rail (1900) for this.

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2017, 11:25 AM »
Yes, more than the 1400 rail would be needed to cut 48" with the GRS. At least without plunge cutting.

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2017, 04:40 PM »
Im sure I normally plunge a bit anyway when using a 1400 on a 4ft cut. Most of the time if using the square Id be cutting shelves and carcase sides which would only be 600mm wide anyway so not really a problem.

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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2017, 04:49 PM »
Hans, why are the holes (looks like 1/4-20) tapped in the
GRS16-PE and do these tapped holes appear on the GRS16?

Is something planned that will attach using these holes to the GRS.
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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2017, 05:07 PM »
Hans, why are the holes (looks like 1/4-20) tapped in the
GRS16-PE and do these tapped holes appear on the GRS16?

Is something planned that will attach using these holes to the GRS.

Here's a prior responce
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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2017, 11:19 PM »
Hans, why are the holes (looks like 1/4-20) tapped in the
GRS16-PE and do these tapped holes appear on the GRS16?

Is something planned that will attach using these holes to the GRS.

Here's a prior responce

Thanks, I missed that whole thread somehow.
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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2017, 09:54 AM »
I ordered the GRS-16PE on Saturday night.  Thanks Hans!

BTW I met you at Festool Connect last September. 
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Re: TSO Products GRS-16 Guide Rail Square video.
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2017, 10:44 AM »


What is the workbench being used in the video?

 
I wanted to share a video I made showing the brilliance of @TSO Products GRS-16 guide rail square.

I know this product has been talked about on the FOG in the past.  But for anyone who is new or not familiar with the results the
GRS-16 can give someone using a track saw hopefully this video will help.




Full disclosure.  TSO Products sent me the GRS-16 to review.  THANKS HANS !   It's a fantastic accessory.  I haven't taken it off my 55" rail since I received it.   I'm calling it a must have accessory for track saw users.   

Take care,
Eric