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Offline ShadyMaple

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Best Miter saw options?
« on: July 08, 2017, 04:21 PM »
I love my festools - and I didn't really see myself investing in a miter saw with my MFT/3 and TSC55 - but I will have some projects in the future that will involve trimming molding/etc and I just don't see getting around having a miter saw.

With all the horror stories about the Kapex, I'm thinking of looking outside of Festool.  The only thing is - I have a small basement workshop and the dust collection is 99% of why I went with Festool in the first place.  Any recommendations about a miter saw that would at least come close to the Kapex in that regard?

Just for reference - I have a MIDI for my dust collection - so I'm aware I will probably need a 36mm hose for that anyway.  If I could also find a saw that would hook up to this - that would be excellent. 

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Offline toolaholic

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Makita has a new 10" slider coming out soon   LS1019L

I have no experience with it but have read a few reviews and it has some nice
features..   Good dust collection is one of them.  I'm getting one as soon as
they are available in my area.

Offline antss

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2017, 06:12 PM »
Milwaukee's 12" slider has pretty darn good dust collection.

Problem is though, it's not available many places to tryout.
It's big and heavy, so not really a good jobsite saw.
The vac connection takes up even more space, must be purchased separate, and will need some adapters or tape to mate to a Festool hose.  Simpler to just buy/make a dedicated 2 1/4" or 2 1/2" hose for the setup. 

It's a powerful beast at 15a too.

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2017, 07:30 PM »
Dewalt radial arm saw.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2017, 02:06 PM »
Dewalt Flexvolt 12" SCMS (DHS790AT2). You won't be disappointed.

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2017, 02:38 PM »
Makita has a new 10" slider coming out soon   LS1019L

I have no experience with it but have read a few reviews and it has some nice
features..   Good dust collection is one of them.  I'm getting one as soon as
they are available in my area.

I am seriously considering this as well. Its now on their website as available, but not at any of their retailers. So patience I guess.

Offline Harry1561

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2017, 03:00 PM »
The new makita looks good in the demo video, but until you can see it first hand it's hard to judge. I've just jumped into the kapex world as I couldn't wait for the makita to be released here in Australia. Time will tell if I've made the right decision.  [scared]

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Offline Aclaw

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2017, 01:44 PM »
its 509 @ acmetools right now.  Not sure about eventual MSRP.

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2017, 02:02 PM »
its 509 @ acmetools right now.  Not sure about eventual MSRP.

Buy 3 for the price of the Kapex........... [eek]

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Offline Aclaw

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2017, 02:21 PM »


Buy 3 for the price of the Kapex........... [eek]
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My thoughts exactly.   [unsure]

Offline oneeyesquare

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2017, 08:53 PM »
I have the new Makita arriving Monday. Ordered from Acme as well. My first Kapex will get boxed up and sent back for a bad head spring. Helper uses the new Kapex and I get to play with a new toy for a week. The we'll see... Either old Kapex or new Makita becomes shop saw.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2017, 09:11 PM »
@oneeyesquare please let us know what you think. I believe there.  Few folks thinking about that one. Thanjs


Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2017, 10:37 PM »
I ordered one today through toolnut. We'll see when it ships, but I'll be sure to share my thoughts.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2017, 05:34 PM »
Wait for AcmeTools to do one of their 15-20% off coupons. They do them a couple times a year and they send them to their email subscribers.
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Offline c_dwyer

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2017, 09:26 PM »
I've been thinking about selling my current miter saw and upgrading to a Bosch Glide (12") for the shop. For those of you who have that saw, what are your thoughts after prolonged use?

Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2017, 07:37 AM »
I've been thinking about selling my current miter saw and upgrading to a Bosch Glide (12") for the shop. For those of you who have that saw, what are your thoughts after prolonged use?

I think the way they've engineered the saw for tight space operation is pretty neat, but I think one must be very careful when handling the saw so as not to put too much stress on the points of articulation.  I really don't see this saw as being a good portable option.  I think over time the points of articulation are going to get sloppy.
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Offline SouthRider

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2017, 08:09 AM »
I've had the Bosch 12" Glide for about 3 years now with no problems. It is in a dedicated bench in the shop with built in dust collection. No problems with the saw whatsoever, other than it's own internal dust collection is just average.

If I was wanting a portable saw would definitely get a Makita. They make the best motors, are relatively light in weight, and are well regarded for accuracy.

My brother in law is a general contractor who just bought a Makita to replace his ancient Makita. We shopped various brands. He briefly considered the DeWalt. Framers love it because it has slightly larger capacity and is virtually indestructible, but he went with Makita because he does more trim work than framing.

Offline glass1

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2017, 06:39 PM »
Just to put in perspective how expensive the kapex is and how much of a sacrifice it is for woodworkers to buy the new makita ls1019l is $510 and the Milwaukee 3724 is $600. The dewalt dhs790 kit is on sale at for $440. The Milwaukee can be had for less if you dig. The kapex is almost as expensive as all 3 saws combined. I actually could accept this if it was really all that, but the carpal tunnel trigger, launching of small pieces, lack of power, and there is that pesky motor issue.

Offline justaskace

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2017, 07:15 PM »
I just have to say.  I can't wait to hear from one of you that ordered the makita already.  I am planning to sell my bosch sliding saw and mobile base for the new Makita and a built-in miter saw station in my shop.  I like the simple design and improved dust collection of the makita over the bosch glide. 

Offline KFirestone

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2017, 07:51 PM »
I bought the Kapex about 6 months ago. Have been very impressed so far. I did not know about anyone having motor issues before I purchased, so hopefully I don't experience that issue.
I had the Makita ls1016. I bought that about 1.5 years ago. Was very happy with that saw at first. It developed a blade chatter. I switched blades and the problem.was still there. I put both blades on my buddies scms, and no issue. The problem is definitely in the saw. Makita said I had to use their blade and sent me one(for a fee of course). Still the same issue. They then sent me the inner and outer washers and a new bolt, still the same. I was then told must have experienced a kickback and bent the arbor a bit. I can assure you, no kickback had occurred.
With every miter saw I have owned, which pretty much covers all major brands, they all grabbed the small cutoffs or returns at some point. My Kapex has not done this any more or less then my other saws.

I had 2 DeWalt scms and the base broke in half on both of them. Was told I was putting to heavy of lumber on them. These were used for trim only.
All companies will try to minimize, ignore or pass the blame if they can.
Festool claims to be the best engineered and this justifies the cost of the tool. I have a few of their tools and am quite impressed overall.
Hopefully they will acknowledge and come up with a solution for this issue especially since they cost so much more. I don't have an issue spending the money,if the quality and durability are there.



Offline oneeyesquare

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2017, 06:15 AM »
Short review. Got the Makita and used all day yesterday. I'm likening it to a fully loaded truck vs the Kapex as zoomy sports.  car.
Makita cuts super smooth. Smoother than the Kapex.
I would say not as ridgid on the slide. A little drift on some big miters on 5/4 material. Not bad, just not the train track performance of the Kapex.
Laser is ok for matching miters, but no where's near the accuracy of the Kapex; however, I can see the blade of the Makita much better. Need to peruse the manual for adjustment options.
Dust collection was 80% of the Kapex. Adequate. I'm running a split hose and had tools hooked up to the other end, so on reduced suction anyway.
Did not worry one bit the motor was gonna unexpectedly grenade. That was nice.
Left it sitting on the job site with a cable through it vs. throwing it in the van. I can absorb a $540 theft loss a little bit easier than a $1600 loss; however, no local purchase options yet for the Makita.
Fixed the idiot button with some 2p-10. Grab, squeeze and cut. Like it should be. Seriously contemplating, modding the Kapex's to remove the horribly over complicated safety trigger.
The full 60 degree both ways is wonderful. I need to use that today on some 1x8 bead board at 51.5 degrees going up along a stair skirt. Should make that pretty easy.
Old Kapex will get sent in to repair head spring which no longer lifts the head. Kinda neutral at this point. That will be warranty trip #3. New Kapex is still a warranty virgin. We shall see.
If you have any questions, Ill try to answer later tonight.

Offline McNally Family

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2017, 11:43 AM »
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Offline ben_r_

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Offline antss

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2017, 03:11 PM »
one eye, did you use the stock blade from makita or something else ?

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2017, 06:45 PM »
I don't have an issue spending the money,if the quality and durability are there.

+1.

I didn't really appreciate the saying that buy the best tools you can afford...until I bought the Festool Kapex, Sawstop and the Veritas tools (planes, etc.). They save me a lot of time in getting the finest results possible in my work.

As long as the Kapex lasts, I will not consider any other brands.

Incidentally, both the Kapex and SawStop (fitted with the over-arm tube) have the best dust collection among all other saws I have used. That alone is worth sticking with them.

Offline oneeyesquare

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2017, 09:19 PM »
one eye, did you use the stock blade from makita or something else ?
Bought Makita 80t. Came with a Makita 60t.

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2017, 11:01 PM »
My LS1019L shows up Friday, I'll take some video and pics. Try and post either Friday or Saturday.

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2017, 11:07 PM »
So my saw arrived yesterday, was a little worried when I saw the box...

but it turned out okay


Putting the saw together I did have the infuriating event of the head of the bolt that holds the blade rounding off some. (No I didn't turn it like a regular right handed bolt :) ) Works for now and is secure, but I'm not changing blades to my Diablo 90 tooth until I have a new bolt.

I haven't ran the saw too much but the stock blade does okay. No adjustments were needed to make it square (miter or bevel) I'm not a huge fan of lasers, but if you were to frame with it, I can see how it would be handy. Motor start is smooth, brake doesn't seem as good as kapex. Also I only cut some small pieces of 18mm ply, so haven't tested the grunt.



Dust collection:
Currently I have it hooked up with a 36mm x 3.5m hose. It has performed pretty well. I may do a good cleanup tomorrow then go through 10 cross cuts on a 2x4 and weigh how much I can collect off the area. I won't expect much. Most importantly, seems to do quite well on airborne dust. The design of the adapter leaves something to be desired for my setup, with it coming out the back, you can't get too close to the wall. In my case I actually had to move my table off the wall, the adapter begs for some 3d printed mods.


Seems solid, not as nice as the Kapex, but cost/performance ratio kills the Kapex.

Offline oneeyesquare

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2017, 10:03 AM »
I was also bummed by the dust collection outlet. Somebody dropped the ball on that one big time.

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Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2017, 12:11 PM »
Also for those interested the height is 98mm. Sets on rubber feet so you can level it with bolt tightening.

Offline BBuild

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2017, 05:34 PM »
Spotted this today:


https://www.burnstools.com/ls1019l-10-dual-slide-compound-miter-saw

Thanks for posting that. I was the first person to buy the saw from them. I really wanted to look it over in person first so it was well worth the drive.

I'll post an update after I have a solid opinion on it's performance.
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Offline Oldwood

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2017, 11:46 AM »
Short review. Got the Makita and used all day yesterday. I'm likening it to a fully loaded truck vs the Kapex as zoomy sports.  car.
Makita cuts super smooth. Smoother than the Kapex.
I would say not as ridgid on the slide. A little drift on some big miters on 5/4 material. Not bad, just not the train track performance of the Kapex.
Laser is ok for matching miters, but no where's near the accuracy of the Kapex; however, I can see the blade of the Makita much better. Need to peruse the manual for adjustment options.
Dust collection was 80% of the Kapex. Adequate. I'm running a split hose and had tools hooked up to the other end, so on reduced suction anyway.
Did not worry one bit the motor was gonna unexpectedly grenade. That was nice.
Left it sitting on the job site with a cable through it vs. throwing it in the van. I can absorb a $540 theft loss a little bit easier than a $1600 loss; however, no local purchase options yet for the Makita.
Fixed the idiot button with some 2p-10. Grab, squeeze and cut. Like it should be. Seriously contemplating, modding the Kapex's to remove the horribly over complicated safety trigger.
The full 60 degree both ways is wonderful. I need to use that today on some 1x8 bead board at 51.5 degrees going up along a stair skirt. Should make that pretty easy.
Old Kapex will get sent in to repair head spring which no longer lifts the head. Kinda neutral at this point. That will be warranty trip #3. New Kapex is still a warranty virgin. We shall see.
If you have any questions, Ill try to answer later tonight.

Does your saw make a dragging sound when you swing the table from 90 to 45? I just pulled it out of the box and is seems to drag on the UHMW shim. Don't know if that is by design or not?

Thanks,
Gerry
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Offline Oldwood

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2017, 12:38 PM »
So to answer my own question, it is by design.

A heads up for anyone in Canada looking for this saw there are two models the 1019L and the 1019 the 1019L has the laser guide the the 1019 does not. It seems in Canada no one wants to stock the 1019L

Gerry
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Offline oneeyesquare

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2017, 09:13 PM »

Does your saw make a dragging sound when you swing the table from 90 to 45? I just pulled it out of the box and is seems to drag on the UHMW shim. Don't know if that is by design or not?

Thanks,
Gerry

It makes a zipper sound. Like a tent zipper. Smooth action. Works great!

Offline online421

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2017, 09:21 PM »
if you want the best of the best mitre saw and the saw stays stationary. go to Omga.

the whole thing is made of cast iron except the saw guard and the power on/off button

I had a T50350 and then upgraded to their double mitre saw.

You wont look at anything else ever again.

List price is $4000 USD for a base model.

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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2017, 09:28 PM »
if you want the best of the best mitre saw and the saw stays stationary. go to Omga.

the whole thing is made of cast iron except the saw guard and the power on/off button

I had a T50350 and then upgraded to their double mitre saw.

You wont look at anything else ever again.

List price is $4000 USD for a base model.


The Omga 1P300 is only $1747 USD.
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Offline online421

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2017, 09:31 PM »
if you want the best of the best mitre saw and the saw stays stationary. go to Omga.

the whole thing is made of cast iron except the saw guard and the power on/off button

I had a T50350 and then upgraded to their double mitre saw.

You wont look at anything else ever again.

List price is $4000 USD for a base model.


The Omga 1P300 is only $1747 USD.

thats an option. I was referring to the T50 I had.
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Sicar TOP6
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Offline nms

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2017, 08:54 AM »
I am interested in this saw however I have seen some reviews by individuals such as the wood whisperer that state the saw doesn't stay square co-planer as the blade is slid forward.  The link below is from his video on his Instagram account.  I am wanting to get this saw but not if it can't cut square I am curious what others will say on this subject or makita dealers who carry the saw.   

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1ZVFMhTzS/?taken-by=woodwhisperer
6:15 in the video


This is unfortunate. Why does it seem so difficult to find an accurate SCMS for a decent price?

This Makita seemed like a contender, but I'm not satisfied with the accuracy issues I keep hearing about.

I feel like there would be more side to side deflection with the way the rails are oriented on this vs the typical side by side layout in Kapex and others.

Offline Lbob131

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2017, 05:02 PM »
It sounds  like its more to do with the detent  position  being  off slightly.
For accurate cuts  I just use my slider.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2017, 05:06 PM by Lbob131 »

Offline Holmz

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2017, 05:10 PM »
I am not sure if a a pull pall is the same, it is like an upside down SCMS.

Not a cheap way to go, but for a combination of SCMS and table saw it excels.

Offline Deke

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Re: Best Miter saw options?
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2017, 04:38 PM »
Long ago I had Kapex disease, but not the budget to match it. I ended up with a Makita 7 1/2" compound miter saw and I LOVE this thing. Yes it is small, but the cuts are fantastic and ready to go even on fine furniture. Some said this is due to the smaller blade resulting in more "teeth on wood per second." It also has pretty darn good dust collection. The latter was a big deal as I had been filling our house with dust from my basement shop. They don't make it anymore, but they now have a 8 1/2". I can't say if this is true 100%, but these smaller saws might be an option if you are primarily making furniture. Then again, maybe the larger Makitas are just as good - accurate, quality of cut and dust. There is a trick to cutting molding flat (capacity is only about 2-2 1/2" vertical), but I am ignorant of techniques crown molding. Two cents. Good luck!