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Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2018, 11:30 PM »
For those who want to know... I did find out that it's supposed to have a metric and imperial dual scale.

All this info kind of makes me wish I needed a saw......is something wrong with me? 100% happy with my metric ts55.

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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2018, 12:18 AM »
All this info kind of makes me wish I needed a saw......is something wrong with me? 100% happy with my metric ts55.
I also feel like needing a new saw. Looking for a rational explanation what for.  [big grin]

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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2018, 12:57 AM »
I've got the Bosch- imported it from the UK a couple of years ago.  I also had a chance to try the Mafell.  I didn't notice any difference in cutting power- the Mafell has some neat bolt-on upgrades, like the hinged blade housing and the tilt mechanism.  But, overall, I didn't walk away thinking I should have paid more than double for the MT55.  The Bosch definitely out-powers the TS55 and I also think it approaches the cutting performance of my old TS75, that could be due to the thinner kerf blades though.  When I made the decision to get it, my TS55 was bogging down on some cuts that I thought it shouldn't and the TS75 was just too durn big.  The Bosch has proven to split that difference admirably.  The rails are an improvement in most respects, except for the fact that you cannot really use the MFT dog approach to rail setting because the saw overhangs the rails and bumps the dogs.  So, unless you have a cutting table that is significantly wider than the piece you are cutting, it is a problem.  I also miss the ability to clamp aftermarket ripping guides to the rail...there is probably a way to do it by attaching it under the rail, but I haven't taken the time to figure it out.  Honestly, I am hoping that once these rails get in wider use, some of the geniuses who have been coming up with aftermarket products will put their mind to the Bosch/Mafell rails.  I do have the right angle thing, and it works pretty well.  Quite accurate at 90 degrees.

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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2018, 01:57 AM »
I though the riving knife could be changed out for a thinner one?  It’s not integral like on the HK55.

I was referring to only the TS 55, thus if you change out the blade to one that has a 1.8 mm kerf, you’ll also have to install a new custom riving knife.

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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2018, 04:14 AM »
I also miss the ability to clamp aftermarket ripping guides to the rail...there is probably a way to do it by attaching it under the rail, but

Kreg T-bolts fit the Mafell rails and have standard threads.

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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2018, 10:15 AM »
FWIW...I noticed that the Bosch rails are significantly less expensive than the Mafell rails. All Bosch rails are approx. 40% less except for the 3100mm rail where the difference is 10%-15%.

It'd be nice if Bosch came out with their version of the Aerofix rail.


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Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2018, 02:02 PM »
The AeroFix is neat, but I think it's a bit gimmicky. I have very rarely felt the need to clamp my rail. I would have a lot of trouble justifying using it and the ROI personally. The only advantage I can see is needing to make a plunge cut somewhere where you cannot affix clamps.

That said, I did use it when we were selling Mafell and it worked quite well.
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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2018, 02:12 PM »
The AeroFix is neat, but I think it's a bit gimmicky. I have very rarely felt the need to clamp my rail. I would have a lot of trouble justifying using it and the ROI personally. The only advantage I can see is needing to make a plunge cut somewhere where you cannot affix clamps.

That said, I did use it when we were selling Mafell and it worked quite well.

My thought is to use it for placing in-floor HVAC vents.

Good to hear that the Mafell version works well.

Offline Svar

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« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2018, 02:22 PM »
The AeroFix is neat, but I think it's a bit gimmicky. I have very rarely felt the need to clamp my rail. I would have a lot of trouble justifying using it and the ROI personally. The only advantage I can see is needing to make a plunge cut somewhere where you cannot affix clamps.
That said, I did use it when we were selling Mafell and it worked quite well.
My thought is to use it for placing in-floor HVAC vents.
Good to hear that the Mafell version works well.
Alternatively you can weight the rail down with bricks if you have length to spare.  [big grin]  [poke]

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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2018, 02:46 PM »
Alternatively you can weight the rail down with bricks if you have length to spare.  [big grin]  [poke]

That's true...it's just that ever since I started using the Festool VAC SYS, I've become a huge fan of vacuum holdown. So simple and so secure.  [big grin]

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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2018, 02:59 PM »
Will probably still stick with my TS 55 though since I am so invested in the Festool system and I have yet to feel a need for more power out of my TS 55.

And if you need a little more poop...just switch to an HKC thin kerf blade.  [smile]

I do not think you can run the thin kerf on the TS - I think it causes an issue with the riving knife. Maybe I am mistaken?

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Tenryu makes a thin kerf blade for the TS55 that comes with it's own riving knife.

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« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2018, 12:04 AM »
Tenryu makes a thin kerf blade for the TS55 that comes with it's own riving knife.

Thanks @mike_aa for that heads-up. That’s a great alternative if you need it. There’s a ton of stuff out there and it’s nigh to impossible to remember it all. That’s why this forum works so well.

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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2018, 01:11 AM »
Tenryu makes a thin kerf blade for the TS55 that comes with it's own riving knife.

Thanks @mike_aa for that heads-up. That’s a great alternative if you need it. There’s a ton of stuff out there and it’s nigh to impossible to remember it all. That’s why this forum works so well.

That is awesome! Had no idea. I was at a store that carries Tenryu as I need a new blade for my TS75, but was not sure how much the kerf would be off - I really do not want to replace all my anti-splinter strips.

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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2018, 12:17 PM »
The USD price point of the Bosch doesn’t put it far off from the price of the TS 75.  One place where Festool kills it customers is the ridiculous over pricing of their tracks.
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« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2018, 02:18 PM »
Great to see that the Bosch track saw is coming to the US with even better rails.

I have decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing even for some of the consumables, such as sanding pads.  I just needed a new pad for my Rotex, it was $50. In my opinion way too extreme when Bosch 1250 pad sells for around $12.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.  I purchased most of my tools around 10 years ago when pricing, while still higher than other tools, was not as high as it is today. Even though I already own all the tools I wanted to own, I found the Rotex pad price truly insulting.  For me this is not about ability to afford, I can afford it all day long, it is about value and fairness.

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« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2018, 03:34 PM »
I was at a store that carries Tenryu as I need a new blade for my TS75, but was not sure how much the kerf would be off - I really do not want to replace all my anti-splinter strips.


Why would you have to replace the anti splinter strip on the rails if you used a thinner blade?  The blade, thick or thin, sits against the backstop on the saw arbor.  That is the inside.  That is also the edge of the ant splinter strip.  The rest of the blade, whether thick or thin, goes out from this inside edge.  There is no anti splinter strip to the outside of the inside edge.  Its just air out there. 

I suppose you could have troubles if the overhang of the teeth is different.  The thick blade is 5mm thick.  Teeth overhang the edge 1mm.  Whereas on the thin blade the blade is 3mm thick.  And the teeth overhang 0.5mm.  Then it would not match up.  But if the thick blade is 5mm thick and the teeth overhang is 0.5mm.  And the thin blade is 3mm thick and the teeth overhang is 0.5mm.  Then all is perfect.  Anti splinter strip is just fine.

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« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2018, 05:39 PM »
Great to see that the Bosch track saw is coming to the US with even better rails.

I have decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing even for some of the consumables, such as sanding pads.  I just needed a new pad for my Rotex, it was $50. In my opinion way too extreme when Bosch 1250 pad sells for around $12.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.  I purchased most of my tools around 10 years ago when pricing, while still higher than other tools, was not as high as it is today. Even though I already own all the tools I wanted to own, I found the Rotex pad price truly insulting.  For me this is not about ability to afford, I can afford it all day long, it is about value and fairness.

This is as logical as selling a car you own outright to buy a new car because it gets better gas mileage.

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« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2018, 01:20 AM »
Great to see that the Bosch track saw is coming to the US with even better rails.

I have decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing even for some of the consumables, such as sanding pads.  I just needed a new pad for my Rotex, it was $50. In my opinion way too extreme when Bosch 1250 pad sells for around $12.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.  I purchased most of my tools around 10 years ago when pricing, while still higher than other tools, was not as high as it is today. Even though I already own all the tools I wanted to own, I found the Rotex pad price truly insulting.  For me this is not about ability to afford, I can afford it all day long, it is about value and fairness.

This is as logical as selling a car you own outright to buy a new car because it gets better gas mileage.

Sorry, but your statement does not make much sense as stated without further context.  In the car analogy, if the new car did not cost any more to buy than what the current car would sell for, it would make total sense, right? 

It just so happens, in my case, I expect to spend about what I would get from selling my Festool tools I have to purchase the replacements.

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« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2018, 02:19 AM »
I've decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.
This is as logical as selling a car you own outright to buy a new car because it gets better gas mileage.

It makes a lot of sense.  If the new car uses half the gas and you drive a lot of miles, then the gas usage cost/savings will more than offset any difference in price between selling used and buying new.  If a new tool will allow you to earn twice as much profit, then it will likely pay to replace the old tool.  If the new tool costs one million and the old tool costs one dollar, then it won't make sense.  But if the old tool is ten thousand, and the new tool twenty thousand, and you can earn five thousand a year more, it makes sense to get the new tool.  After two years the new tool is 100% gain.

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« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2018, 12:44 PM »
I've decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.
This is as logical as selling a car you own outright to buy a new car because it gets better gas mileage.

It makes a lot of sense.  If the new car uses half the gas and you drive a lot of miles, then the gas usage cost/savings will more than offset any difference in price between selling used and buying new.  If a new tool will allow you to earn twice as much profit, then it will likely pay to replace the old tool.  If the new tool costs one million and the old tool costs one dollar, then it won't make sense.  But if the old tool is ten thousand, and the new tool twenty thousand, and you can earn five thousand a year more, it makes sense to get the new tool.  After two years the new tool is 100% gain.

Cars suffer from massive depreciation much like most tools and a different saw won't cut any better or faster than another nor make you more money unless you are going from a handsaw to a tracksaw and not from a more expensive saw to a less expensive one. There is always opportunity cost associated with money and spending savings or taking on a new loan to subsidize a new car makes just about zero sense if your goal is to "save" money on gas and compromise on functionality (most likely size and usefulness). A decent example of this would be selling an F-150 that gets 15 MPG for one of the newer ones that can squeeze out over 20 MPG. You will "save" money on gas, but it will be a long time before you cover the spread, which in addition to the cash outlay there are registration fees in most states that are 3% and up and some states like mine have an annual property tax on cars that can be substantial.

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Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2018, 02:51 PM »
Or get four cordless track saws attach one to each wheel and use zero gas. Would only be able to choose forward or reverse though.  [wink]



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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2018, 12:46 AM »
Or get four cordless track saws attach one to each wheel and use zero gas. Would only be able to choose forward or reverse though.  [wink]



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You’d run out of battery power after 300 feet.  The 18 Volt systems just don’t have the guts required to do large projects.  The new Makita 36 (Dual 18 Volt) gets heavily critiqued for being unpowered. 
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« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2018, 02:40 AM »
Or get four cordless track saws attach one to each wheel and use zero gas. Would only be able to choose forward or reverse though.  [wink]



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You’d run out of battery power after 300 feet.  The 18 Volt systems just don’t have the guts required to do large projects.  The new Makita 36 (Dual 18 Volt) gets heavily critiqued for being unpowered.
The 36v Makita get critiqued for being underpowered (unpowered)??? I've never heard that and I know many people using it. I have it and use it all the time. It's the most powerful cordless tracksaw and it has more power than most corded....until the batteries get depleted.

Thay said, 4 of those with 8 batteries should get you about 300 feet. Haha

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Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2018, 03:43 PM »
In my earlier Reply (#5) to this post I wrote that I was:
“A long time Festool TS 75 user/advocate - I’ve been looking for a “55” - For “day to day light work” - But have been a bit apprehensive after lately reading concerns about Festool’s TS 55’s being “'under-powered' (bogging down on some cuts)”.
Hence, I was seriously giving this coming Bosch TS 55 a look.

Yesterday, I “scored” a TS 55 REQ-F-Plus USA and FS-1400 Guide Rail (55") combo -
On Festool’s Recon Sale - At 75% of their New Price. Couldn’t pass it up.  [wink]

So... I’ll keep my beloved TS 75 "beast" - For “heavy duty” cutting - Thicker materials, extremely hard woods, and ripping.
And dedicate the “new” lighter TS 55 for cross cutting stuff up to 3/4” thick - Which has become the majority of my cutting.
My woodworking is done in my shop - So I’m “good to go” with corded tools (actually prefer ‘em).
I'm hoping that "covering my bases" with the two saws -
I'll alleviate my earlier FOG read "concerns about Festool’s TS 55’s being 'under-powered' (bogging down on some cuts)”.

I guess it’s like they say: “In for a dime - In for a dollar.”
Or... ln this case... 75 cents (on the dollar, that is).[smile]
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« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2018, 04:10 AM »
The 36v Makita get critiqued for being underpowered (unpowered)??? I've never heard that and I know many people using it. I have it and use it all the time. It's the most powerful cordless tracksaw and it has more power than most corded....until the batteries get depleted.
I agree with Handyman, I've just replaced both my 240v ts55 and hkc55 with the 36v Makita it is that good.
I personally crosscut ironwood with no resistance that my 240v Kapex struggled more with.

Back on topic, I think best part of the Bosch/Mafell setup is the rail connector, much more accurate
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Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2018, 05:10 PM »
Or get four cordless track saws attach one to each wheel and use zero gas. Would only be able to choose forward or reverse though.  [wink]



Seth

You’d run out of battery power after 300 feet.  The 18 Volt systems just don’t have the guts required to do large projects.  The new Makita 36 (Dual 18 Volt) gets heavily critiqued for being unpowered.
The 36v Makita get critiqued for being underpowered (unpowered)??? I've never heard that and I know many people using it. I have it and use it all the time. It's the most powerful cordless tracksaw and it has more power than most corded....until the batteries get depleted.

Thay said, 4 of those with 8 batteries should get you about 300 feet. Haha

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« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2018, 06:18 PM »
After using the mafell rails, I will never go back to the Festool rails. I’m working on custom rail guides for my Festool routers.

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« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2018, 06:16 PM »
So is there any good website to learn about what stuff Bosch has, that is learn more about their Festool similar woodworking tools.   Being in the US, the track stuff and so forth is basically unseen. You can really only find info about the low end stuff sold at Lower and such.  The Bosch websites look to general be awful (every page a pop up, can't get anywheres without constant pop up messages about stuff).  The non-US sites are just as bad and really don't have good navigation or any good way I have found of figuring out much on the tools.

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« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2018, 06:46 PM »
So is there any good website to learn about what stuff Bosch has, that is learn more about their Festool similar woodworking tools.   Being in the US, the track stuff and so forth is basically unseen. You can really only find info about the low end stuff sold at Lower and such.  The Bosch websites look to general be awful (every page a pop up, can't get anywheres without constant pop up messages about stuff).  The non-US sites are just as bad and really don't have good navigation or any good way I have found of figuring out much on the tools.

Perhaps a google search for a Bosch forum would reveal some results.  Here is one that came up for me:  https://www.bosch-professional.com/gb/en/community/

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« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2018, 11:42 PM »
There's a video on this post here that is on the Bosch NA forum that has a lot of useful info on it especially if you already have Festool rails.

https://bethepro.com/forums/topic/bosch-track-saw-to-us-3rd-quarter-2018/#post-672528
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