Author Topic: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)  (Read 10376 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Steven Owen

  • Posts: 409
Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« on: June 01, 2018, 02:20 AM »
I guess it’s official.  The Mafell made Bosch Track Saw will be finding it’s way onto store shelves in North America in the Fall.  I guess if you complain enough, maricales do happen. 

How many people will consider the Bosch Track Saw when it’s released in the fall?  How well will the Mafell made Bosch work with things like the Festool MTF?  Obviously the parallel guides won’t work with the Bosch Mafell tracks.
 
Festool CT Midi, Festool ETS 125, DF 700 Domino Coming Soon

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline Kevin D.

  • Posts: 900
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2018, 08:27 AM »
Can the Bosch saw run on Festool rails?
Kapex, CT-SYS, SYS-Cart, Pro 5 Sander, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  Domino XL, MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).

Offline Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10471
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2018, 08:48 AM »
It's basically a rebadged Mafell. Works with all Mafell accessories. While I'm not 100% sure, the Mafell MT 55 worked on the Festool and other rails, so I assume the Bosch does too. The model number is different from the saw they offer overseas, so I'm not sure what changes might have been made yet. Coming September. US pricing is $599 without a rail in an LBOXX 4.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2018, 09:21 AM by Shane Holland »
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Offline RustE

  • Posts: 331
Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2018, 09:05 AM »
That price tag is not as attractive as I wanted.

Hopefully I can see it in person and decide if there are design features that make the Bosch better than the TS55.  The only apparent difference is the 1400w motor versus the 1200w motor.

Offline RKA

  • Posts: 1223
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2018, 10:33 AM »
Well, if it's like the Mafell, it's 1400W and a 1.8mm kerf blade vs. 1200W and 2.2mm blade on the Festool.  Side by side you will notice that difference.
-Raj

Online Joe Felchlin

  • Posts: 137
  • Just another day in paradise - Livin’ the dream!
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2018, 10:33 AM »
Shane - FYI...
In the link you listed (Coming September) - Under “FULL DETAILS” - It says:
“The Bosch GKT track saw is compatible with Festool and similar guide tracks, as well as Mafell and Bosch guide tracks...”.
I’m kinda in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” camp. But, we can hope for the best.  :)

A long time Festool TS 75 user/advocate - I’ve been looking for a “55” - For “day to day light work” - But have been a bit apprehensive after lately reading concerns about Festool’s TS 55’s being “underpowered” (bogging down on some cuts).
This Bosch saw looks like a winner!
« Last Edit: June 01, 2018, 10:57 AM by Joe Felchlin »
FESTOOL: CT26 and CT33 E HEPA Dust Extractors, MFT 1080, MFT-3, TS 55 REQ-F-Plus USA, TS75 EQ, Guide Rails: 1080's/1400/3000mm, LR 32-SYS/Holey Rail, Parallel Guides and Extensions, OF1400 EQ Plunge Router, OF1010 EQ Plunge Router, HL 850 Planer, RO125 FEQ Rotex Sander, LS 130 EQ Linear Detail Sander, DX93E Detail Sander, C12 Cordless Drill, CXS Cordless Compact Drill Driver, SYS-Centrotec-Set, Domino XL DF 700 EQ Plus Tenon Joiner Set, Domino DF 500 Tenon Joiner | WOODPECKERS: DF 500 Offset Base System | BOSCH: 5412L Compound Miter Saw, 4100-09 10-Inch Table Saw | POWERMATIC: 60HH 8" Jointer, PWBS 14" Bandsaw w/Riser Block | MAKITA: 2012NB Bench Top Planer | JESSEM: Mast-R-Lift XL/Fence/Slide, Rout-R-Plate/Table Stand | RIKON: 50-120 6inX48in Belt-Disc Sander | JET: JBOS-5 Benchtop Oscillating Spindle Sander | PORTER CABLE: 7518 and 690LVRS Routers, 557 Pro Plate Joiner, 16/18/23 Gauge Nailers | LEIGH JIGS: D4R 24 Pro Dovetail Jig, FMT Pro Mortise & Tenon Jig | LIE-NIELSEN: Almost every hand plane | DOWELMAX: 3/8" and 1/4" | KREG: K3 Master System | FEIN: Multimaster FMM 250 Q Kit | TORMEK: Super-Grind 2000 | DUST DEPUTY: Industrial (ALL) Steel Deluxe Cyclone (2)

Offline Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10471
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2018, 10:35 AM »
Thanks, Joe. That information is presumptive based on the Mafell saw until I hear otherwise. Details are slim at this point.

ETA: If it's just a tweaked version of the GKT 55 with imperial scales or whatever updates for the U.S. market, it will work with Festool rails as shown in this other FOG thread, specifically reply #40.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/festool-ts55-vs-bosch-gkt55/30/
« Last Edit: June 01, 2018, 10:37 AM by Shane Holland »
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Offline Brice Burrell

  • Posts: 7351
  • Remodeling Contractor
    • The Green and Dark Blue blog
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2018, 10:44 AM »
@Shane Holland
I know its early still to have all the details, but do you know if Bosch will offer all of the rails and clamps?
Check out my new blog, The Green and Dark Blue Blog.

Offline Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10471
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2018, 10:53 AM »
I know its early still to have all the details, but do you know if Bosch will offer all of the rails and clamps?

@Brice Burrell, good to hear from you old friend. Hit this link to see what they're offering, at least to start with. Looks like a full assortment to me.
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Offline ScotF

  • Posts: 2490
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2018, 10:59 AM »
Great to see all the rail lengths coming over - that is awesome.

I think this saw will work for 90 degree cuts on both rails, but I think TYler has a Mafell and showed the bevel being off the splinter strip by a pretty wide margin when using it on Festool tracks.

The pros of this saw are more power, the tracks (for ease of use putting together, clamping on edge and replacing the anti-splinter strip). But, this saw does not have anti-splinter on the off-cut or right side like Festool (which is a big deal to me cutting expensive plywood) and while the guide-rails are excellent for the reasons I mentioned (I own and use several Mafell rails now), they do not have the anti-glide strips on them like the green ones on the Festool - this is not an overly big deal, but the Festool guide rails are smoother to push the saw in my opinion with less friction and wear on the sole plate of the saw. With Mafell and Bosch you have metal - metal contact.  May or may not be a big deal to you, but something that I thought I would mention as a differentiator. I have a big carpenter-saw from Mafell and use it on the guide rails and have started to noticed some wear on my sole plate after extended use - it is a tool and does not bother me that much, but something folks might not consider.

There are lots of videos of using this saw or Mafell with the FT tracks on the MFT and also using these type rails on the MFT if you search You Tube you can find them.

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2018, 01:32 PM »
Here's another recent thread on the Bosch TS. There's a lot of chatter about the who manufactures the motor. The discussion starts on Reply 25. [smile]


http://festoolownersgroup.com/general-friendly-chat/timberwolf-tools/30/
« Last Edit: June 01, 2018, 01:35 PM by Cheese »

Offline ben_r_

  • Posts: 1088
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2018, 02:05 PM »
Very cool that this is going to be an option in the states. I love the Mafell rails! Will probably still stick with my TS 55 though since I am so invested in the Festool system and I have yet to feel a need for more power out of my TS 55.
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success!

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1471
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2018, 02:19 PM »
If Bosch GKS 85G follows into the US I may cross into the blue side.  [scared]
« Last Edit: June 01, 2018, 03:57 PM by Svar »

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2018, 02:33 PM »
Will probably still stick with my TS 55 though since I am so invested in the Festool system and I have yet to feel a need for more power out of my TS 55.

And if you need a little more poop...just switch to an HKC thin kerf blade.  [smile]

Offline JimH2

  • Posts: 610
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2018, 02:36 PM »
That price tag is not as attractive as I wanted.

Hopefully I can see it in person and decide if there are design features that make the Bosch better than the TS55.  The only apparent difference is the 1400w motor versus the 1200w motor.

Lots of prices aren't as attractive as anyone wants:)

The US price is cheaper than one UK tool site I looked at whose US price was $725. The accessories that go with it (tracks, stop, ends, clamps etc) are comparatively priced to Timberwolf so no great savings to be had on those items. It would not make any sense for Bosch to come in with low prices when there is a market to support higher prices. Additionally they may be restricted by Mafell in determining pricing (MAP). I am not sure what it is called for Festool as there MAP is also the lowest price an item can be sold for.

Offline Steven Owen

  • Posts: 409
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2018, 02:52 PM »
I’m pretty sure the Canadian price will suck too.  The biggest selling point is the rails and the easy to replace the strips. 

The minus would be having to tape of the edge of the off cut side.  Bosch will definitely shake up the market with this Track Saw in the US.  $599 USD is not bad considering the price of the Mafell unit.  You’re getting Mafell quality.  The lower price of the tracks make up for the high price on the Saw.
Festool CT Midi, Festool ETS 125, DF 700 Domino Coming Soon

Offline JimH2

  • Posts: 610
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2018, 02:52 PM »
Can the Bosch saw run on Festool rails?

The Mafell and Bosch saws can use Festool rails. After purchasing my first saw I mistakenly thought I could save money on rails, but was mistaken. The Mafell design has distinct advantages:
  • Narrower and lighter
  • Significantly better rail connector
  • Better anti-splinter guard design (slides into rail and not stuck on rail)
  • All but a few inches of the rail are usable. You don't need a lot of extra rail to keep the saw on the track

I have unloaded most of my rails with the exception of a few for my routers. Side note: I am still trying to rid myself of a 120" rail if anyone is interested. The first time you pick up a Mafell rail you will be surprised by the dimensions and weight as they are narrower and lighter. In the nearly 3 years I have been using I have not had any problems despite my brain thinking larger and heavier is better.

Offline ben_r_

  • Posts: 1088
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2018, 03:46 PM »
Will probably still stick with my TS 55 though since I am so invested in the Festool system and I have yet to feel a need for more power out of my TS 55.
Ha! Good suggestion, but honestly if I ever felt I needed and could justify more power I would just pick up a refurbed or barely used TS 75. I see them pop up pretty regularly for around $500 with no rail. I think a lot of the people who buy them find them too bulky/heavy and relize afterwards they didnt need a saw that big for what they usually cut. So they sell them and move down to a TS 55 or similar.

And if you need a little more poop...just switch to an HKC thin kerf blade.  [smile]
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success!

Offline Brice Burrell

  • Posts: 7351
  • Remodeling Contractor
    • The Green and Dark Blue blog
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2018, 04:08 PM »
I know its early still to have all the details, but do you know if Bosch will offer all of the rails and clamps?

@Brice Burrell, good to hear from you old friend. Hit this link to see what they're offering, at least to start with. Looks like a full assortment to me.

Thanks for the link Shane.  I've been waiting for this saw, and I'll probably pick one up come September.
Check out my new blog, The Green and Dark Blue Blog.

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1471
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2018, 05:06 PM »
The Mafell design has distinct advantages:
  • Narrower and lighter
  • Significantly better rail connector
  • Better anti-splinter guard design (slides into rail and not stuck on rail)
  • All but a few inches of the rail are usable. You don't need a lot of extra rail to keep the saw on the track
Also, two t-slots on the bottom. One is close to the cut side that allows clamping narrow pieces of material to the rail.

Offline ScotF

  • Posts: 2490
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2018, 05:17 PM »
Will probably still stick with my TS 55 though since I am so invested in the Festool system and I have yet to feel a need for more power out of my TS 55.

And if you need a little more poop...just switch to an HKC thin kerf blade.  [smile]

I do not think you can run the thin kerf on the TS - I think it causes an issue with the riving knife. Maybe I am mistaken?

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2018, 05:20 PM »
I do not think you can run the thin kerf on the TS - I think it causes an issue with the riving knife. Maybe I am mistaken?

Whoops, I think you're right...I'm mistaken. [smile]

Offline skinee

  • Posts: 146
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2018, 05:23 PM »
I guess it’s official.  The Mafell made Bosch Track Saw will be finding it’s way onto store shelves in North America in the Fall.  I guess if you complain enough, maricales do happen. 

How many people will consider the Bosch Track Saw when it’s released in the fall?  How well will the Mafell made Bosch work with things like the Festool MTF?  Obviously the parallel guides won’t work with the Bosch Mafell tracks.
 

mafell do not make this or any other tool for bosch,you have stated wrongly that these saws are"mafell made",no 'blue' units are produced in mafells relatively small factory in Germany,only red,they only licence their technology to bosch.the bosch saw  will have only the  basic features of mafells saw,none of the refinements,we all know as tool buyers that you get what you pay for,however this will be an opportunity for USA folks to get there hands on the superior rails in longer lengths and cheaper(the rails are exactly the same, except in colour, to mafells),then my advice would be to bite the bullet and buy the genuine article,MT55.

Offline Steven Owen

  • Posts: 409
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2018, 08:44 PM »
It utilizes Mafell tech.  Bosch is one of the few major brand tool companies left not making bad quality compromises.  It rates well among the users.

I was always under the impression Bosch was buying motors and some parts from Mafell and final assembly was happening at a Bosch facility. 
Festool CT Midi, Festool ETS 125, DF 700 Domino Coming Soon

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1471
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2018, 09:49 PM »
I was always under the impression Bosch was buying motors and some parts from Mafell...
And this impression is based on what?
I agree with skinee, licencing is the most likely scenario.

Offline jimbo51

  • Posts: 432
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2018, 10:04 PM »
If my Google search is correct, Mafell annual sales just over 80 million, Bosch tool division about 3 billion. Assuming billion is one thousand millions, then Bosch tool sales more than 35 times Mafell. I agree it would be difficult for Mafell to do much production for Bosch given the difference in size.

Offline RustE

  • Posts: 331
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2018, 10:15 PM »
I do not think you can run the thin kerf on the TS - I think it causes an issue with the riving knife. Maybe I am mistaken?

Whoops, I think you're right...I'm mistaken. [smile]

I though the riving knife could be changed out for a thinner one?  It’s not integral like on the HK55.

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1471
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2018, 10:22 PM »
I though the riving knife could be changed out for a thinner one?  It’s not integral like on the HK55.
According to ekat parts diagram blade cover and knife are separate parts on HK saws.

Offline Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10471
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2018, 10:37 PM »
For those who want to know... I did find out that it's supposed to have a metric and imperial dual scale.
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Offline RustE

  • Posts: 331
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2018, 10:44 PM »
According to ekat parts diagram blade cover and knife are separate parts on HK saws.

You are correct. There is a bolt that attaches the riving knife to the pendulum guard. Not sure why I thought it was a single piece.

Offline jpmeunier

  • Posts: 54
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2018, 11:30 PM »
For those who want to know... I did find out that it's supposed to have a metric and imperial dual scale.

All this info kind of makes me wish I needed a saw......is something wrong with me? 100% happy with my metric ts55.

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1471
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2018, 12:18 AM »
All this info kind of makes me wish I needed a saw......is something wrong with me? 100% happy with my metric ts55.
I also feel like needing a new saw. Looking for a rational explanation what for.  [big grin]

Offline Dane

  • Posts: 353
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2018, 12:57 AM »
I've got the Bosch- imported it from the UK a couple of years ago.  I also had a chance to try the Mafell.  I didn't notice any difference in cutting power- the Mafell has some neat bolt-on upgrades, like the hinged blade housing and the tilt mechanism.  But, overall, I didn't walk away thinking I should have paid more than double for the MT55.  The Bosch definitely out-powers the TS55 and I also think it approaches the cutting performance of my old TS75, that could be due to the thinner kerf blades though.  When I made the decision to get it, my TS55 was bogging down on some cuts that I thought it shouldn't and the TS75 was just too durn big.  The Bosch has proven to split that difference admirably.  The rails are an improvement in most respects, except for the fact that you cannot really use the MFT dog approach to rail setting because the saw overhangs the rails and bumps the dogs.  So, unless you have a cutting table that is significantly wider than the piece you are cutting, it is a problem.  I also miss the ability to clamp aftermarket ripping guides to the rail...there is probably a way to do it by attaching it under the rail, but I haven't taken the time to figure it out.  Honestly, I am hoping that once these rails get in wider use, some of the geniuses who have been coming up with aftermarket products will put their mind to the Bosch/Mafell rails.  I do have the right angle thing, and it works pretty well.  Quite accurate at 90 degrees.

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2018, 01:57 AM »
I though the riving knife could be changed out for a thinner one?  It’s not integral like on the HK55.

I was referring to only the TS 55, thus if you change out the blade to one that has a 1.8 mm kerf, you’ll also have to install a new custom riving knife.

Offline ScotF

  • Posts: 2490
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2018, 04:14 AM »
I also miss the ability to clamp aftermarket ripping guides to the rail...there is probably a way to do it by attaching it under the rail, but

Kreg T-bolts fit the Mafell rails and have standard threads.

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2018, 10:15 AM »
FWIW...I noticed that the Bosch rails are significantly less expensive than the Mafell rails. All Bosch rails are approx. 40% less except for the 3100mm rail where the difference is 10%-15%.

It'd be nice if Bosch came out with their version of the Aerofix rail.


Offline Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10471
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2018, 02:02 PM »
The AeroFix is neat, but I think it's a bit gimmicky. I have very rarely felt the need to clamp my rail. I would have a lot of trouble justifying using it and the ROI personally. The only advantage I can see is needing to make a plunge cut somewhere where you cannot affix clamps.

That said, I did use it when we were selling Mafell and it worked quite well.
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2018, 02:12 PM »
The AeroFix is neat, but I think it's a bit gimmicky. I have very rarely felt the need to clamp my rail. I would have a lot of trouble justifying using it and the ROI personally. The only advantage I can see is needing to make a plunge cut somewhere where you cannot affix clamps.

That said, I did use it when we were selling Mafell and it worked quite well.

My thought is to use it for placing in-floor HVAC vents.

Good to hear that the Mafell version works well.

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1471
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2018, 02:22 PM »
The AeroFix is neat, but I think it's a bit gimmicky. I have very rarely felt the need to clamp my rail. I would have a lot of trouble justifying using it and the ROI personally. The only advantage I can see is needing to make a plunge cut somewhere where you cannot affix clamps.
That said, I did use it when we were selling Mafell and it worked quite well.
My thought is to use it for placing in-floor HVAC vents.
Good to hear that the Mafell version works well.
Alternatively you can weight the rail down with bricks if you have length to spare.  [big grin]  [poke]

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2018, 02:46 PM »
Alternatively you can weight the rail down with bricks if you have length to spare.  [big grin]  [poke]

That's true...it's just that ever since I started using the Festool VAC SYS, I've become a huge fan of vacuum holdown. So simple and so secure.  [big grin]

Here's an HVAC vent I installed in the loft.

Offline mike_aa

  • Posts: 1044
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2018, 02:59 PM »
Will probably still stick with my TS 55 though since I am so invested in the Festool system and I have yet to feel a need for more power out of my TS 55.

And if you need a little more poop...just switch to an HKC thin kerf blade.  [smile]

I do not think you can run the thin kerf on the TS - I think it causes an issue with the riving knife. Maybe I am mistaken?

@Cheese  @ScotF

Tenryu makes a thin kerf blade for the TS55 that comes with it's own riving knife.

Mike A.

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2018, 12:04 AM »
Tenryu makes a thin kerf blade for the TS55 that comes with it's own riving knife.

Thanks @mike_aa for that heads-up. That’s a great alternative if you need it. There’s a ton of stuff out there and it’s nigh to impossible to remember it all. That’s why this forum works so well.

Offline ScotF

  • Posts: 2490
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2018, 01:11 AM »
Tenryu makes a thin kerf blade for the TS55 that comes with it's own riving knife.

Thanks @mike_aa for that heads-up. That’s a great alternative if you need it. There’s a ton of stuff out there and it’s nigh to impossible to remember it all. That’s why this forum works so well.

That is awesome! Had no idea. I was at a store that carries Tenryu as I need a new blade for my TS75, but was not sure how much the kerf would be off - I really do not want to replace all my anti-splinter strips.

Offline Steven Owen

  • Posts: 409
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2018, 12:17 PM »
The USD price point of the Bosch doesn’t put it far off from the price of the TS 75.  One place where Festool kills it customers is the ridiculous over pricing of their tracks.
Festool CT Midi, Festool ETS 125, DF 700 Domino Coming Soon

Offline FM_SC

  • Posts: 17
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2018, 02:18 PM »
Great to see that the Bosch track saw is coming to the US with even better rails.

I have decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing even for some of the consumables, such as sanding pads.  I just needed a new pad for my Rotex, it was $50. In my opinion way too extreme when Bosch 1250 pad sells for around $12.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.  I purchased most of my tools around 10 years ago when pricing, while still higher than other tools, was not as high as it is today. Even though I already own all the tools I wanted to own, I found the Rotex pad price truly insulting.  For me this is not about ability to afford, I can afford it all day long, it is about value and fairness.

Offline RussellS

  • Posts: 216
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2018, 03:34 PM »
I was at a store that carries Tenryu as I need a new blade for my TS75, but was not sure how much the kerf would be off - I really do not want to replace all my anti-splinter strips.


Why would you have to replace the anti splinter strip on the rails if you used a thinner blade?  The blade, thick or thin, sits against the backstop on the saw arbor.  That is the inside.  That is also the edge of the ant splinter strip.  The rest of the blade, whether thick or thin, goes out from this inside edge.  There is no anti splinter strip to the outside of the inside edge.  Its just air out there. 

I suppose you could have troubles if the overhang of the teeth is different.  The thick blade is 5mm thick.  Teeth overhang the edge 1mm.  Whereas on the thin blade the blade is 3mm thick.  And the teeth overhang 0.5mm.  Then it would not match up.  But if the thick blade is 5mm thick and the teeth overhang is 0.5mm.  And the thin blade is 3mm thick and the teeth overhang is 0.5mm.  Then all is perfect.  Anti splinter strip is just fine.

Offline JimH2

  • Posts: 610
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2018, 05:39 PM »
Great to see that the Bosch track saw is coming to the US with even better rails.

I have decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing even for some of the consumables, such as sanding pads.  I just needed a new pad for my Rotex, it was $50. In my opinion way too extreme when Bosch 1250 pad sells for around $12.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.  I purchased most of my tools around 10 years ago when pricing, while still higher than other tools, was not as high as it is today. Even though I already own all the tools I wanted to own, I found the Rotex pad price truly insulting.  For me this is not about ability to afford, I can afford it all day long, it is about value and fairness.

This is as logical as selling a car you own outright to buy a new car because it gets better gas mileage.

Offline FM_SC

  • Posts: 17
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2018, 01:20 AM »
Great to see that the Bosch track saw is coming to the US with even better rails.

I have decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing even for some of the consumables, such as sanding pads.  I just needed a new pad for my Rotex, it was $50. In my opinion way too extreme when Bosch 1250 pad sells for around $12.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.  I purchased most of my tools around 10 years ago when pricing, while still higher than other tools, was not as high as it is today. Even though I already own all the tools I wanted to own, I found the Rotex pad price truly insulting.  For me this is not about ability to afford, I can afford it all day long, it is about value and fairness.

This is as logical as selling a car you own outright to buy a new car because it gets better gas mileage.

Sorry, but your statement does not make much sense as stated without further context.  In the car analogy, if the new car did not cost any more to buy than what the current car would sell for, it would make total sense, right? 

It just so happens, in my case, I expect to spend about what I would get from selling my Festool tools I have to purchase the replacements.

Offline RussellS

  • Posts: 216
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2018, 02:19 AM »
I've decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.
This is as logical as selling a car you own outright to buy a new car because it gets better gas mileage.

It makes a lot of sense.  If the new car uses half the gas and you drive a lot of miles, then the gas usage cost/savings will more than offset any difference in price between selling used and buying new.  If a new tool will allow you to earn twice as much profit, then it will likely pay to replace the old tool.  If the new tool costs one million and the old tool costs one dollar, then it won't make sense.  But if the old tool is ten thousand, and the new tool twenty thousand, and you can earn five thousand a year more, it makes sense to get the new tool.  After two years the new tool is 100% gain.

Offline JimH2

  • Posts: 610
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2018, 12:44 PM »
I've decided to sell most of my Festool and purchase alternative tools for the precise reason of exorbitantly high pricing.

I will likely keep only the Domino and the CT22. May even sell the latter to replace with a Nilfisk.
This is as logical as selling a car you own outright to buy a new car because it gets better gas mileage.

It makes a lot of sense.  If the new car uses half the gas and you drive a lot of miles, then the gas usage cost/savings will more than offset any difference in price between selling used and buying new.  If a new tool will allow you to earn twice as much profit, then it will likely pay to replace the old tool.  If the new tool costs one million and the old tool costs one dollar, then it won't make sense.  But if the old tool is ten thousand, and the new tool twenty thousand, and you can earn five thousand a year more, it makes sense to get the new tool.  After two years the new tool is 100% gain.

Cars suffer from massive depreciation much like most tools and a different saw won't cut any better or faster than another nor make you more money unless you are going from a handsaw to a tracksaw and not from a more expensive saw to a less expensive one. There is always opportunity cost associated with money and spending savings or taking on a new loan to subsidize a new car makes just about zero sense if your goal is to "save" money on gas and compromise on functionality (most likely size and usefulness). A decent example of this would be selling an F-150 that gets 15 MPG for one of the newer ones that can squeeze out over 20 MPG. You will "save" money on gas, but it will be a long time before you cover the spread, which in addition to the cash outlay there are registration fees in most states that are 3% and up and some states like mine have an annual property tax on cars that can be substantial.

Offline SRSemenza

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 8577
  • Finger Lakes Region, NY State , USA
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2018, 02:51 PM »
Or get four cordless track saws attach one to each wheel and use zero gas. Would only be able to choose forward or reverse though.  [wink]



Seth

Offline Steven Owen

  • Posts: 409
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2018, 12:46 AM »
Or get four cordless track saws attach one to each wheel and use zero gas. Would only be able to choose forward or reverse though.  [wink]



Seth

You’d run out of battery power after 300 feet.  The 18 Volt systems just don’t have the guts required to do large projects.  The new Makita 36 (Dual 18 Volt) gets heavily critiqued for being unpowered. 
Festool CT Midi, Festool ETS 125, DF 700 Domino Coming Soon

Online The.Handyman

  • Posts: 88
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2018, 02:40 AM »
Or get four cordless track saws attach one to each wheel and use zero gas. Would only be able to choose forward or reverse though.  [wink]



Seth

You’d run out of battery power after 300 feet.  The 18 Volt systems just don’t have the guts required to do large projects.  The new Makita 36 (Dual 18 Volt) gets heavily critiqued for being unpowered.
The 36v Makita get critiqued for being underpowered (unpowered)??? I've never heard that and I know many people using it. I have it and use it all the time. It's the most powerful cordless tracksaw and it has more power than most corded....until the batteries get depleted.

Thay said, 4 of those with 8 batteries should get you about 300 feet. Haha

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk


Online Joe Felchlin

  • Posts: 137
  • Just another day in paradise - Livin’ the dream!
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2018, 03:43 PM »
In my earlier Reply (#5) to this post I wrote that I was:
“A long time Festool TS 75 user/advocate - I’ve been looking for a “55” - For “day to day light work” - But have been a bit apprehensive after lately reading concerns about Festool’s TS 55’s being “'under-powered' (bogging down on some cuts)”.
Hence, I was seriously giving this coming Bosch TS 55 a look.

Yesterday, I “scored” a TS 55 REQ-F-Plus USA and FS-1400 Guide Rail (55") combo -
On Festool’s Recon Sale - At 75% of their New Price. Couldn’t pass it up.  [wink]

So... I’ll keep my beloved TS 75 "beast" - For “heavy duty” cutting - Thicker materials, extremely hard woods, and ripping.
And dedicate the “new” lighter TS 55 for cross cutting stuff up to 3/4” thick - Which has become the majority of my cutting.
My woodworking is done in my shop - So I’m “good to go” with corded tools (actually prefer ‘em).
I'm hoping that "covering my bases" with the two saws -
I'll alleviate my earlier FOG read "concerns about Festool’s TS 55’s being 'under-powered' (bogging down on some cuts)”.

I guess it’s like they say: “In for a dime - In for a dollar.”
Or... ln this case... 75 cents (on the dollar, that is).[smile]
« Last Edit: June 08, 2018, 06:13 AM by Joe Felchlin »
FESTOOL: CT26 and CT33 E HEPA Dust Extractors, MFT 1080, MFT-3, TS 55 REQ-F-Plus USA, TS75 EQ, Guide Rails: 1080's/1400/3000mm, LR 32-SYS/Holey Rail, Parallel Guides and Extensions, OF1400 EQ Plunge Router, OF1010 EQ Plunge Router, HL 850 Planer, RO125 FEQ Rotex Sander, LS 130 EQ Linear Detail Sander, DX93E Detail Sander, C12 Cordless Drill, CXS Cordless Compact Drill Driver, SYS-Centrotec-Set, Domino XL DF 700 EQ Plus Tenon Joiner Set, Domino DF 500 Tenon Joiner | WOODPECKERS: DF 500 Offset Base System | BOSCH: 5412L Compound Miter Saw, 4100-09 10-Inch Table Saw | POWERMATIC: 60HH 8" Jointer, PWBS 14" Bandsaw w/Riser Block | MAKITA: 2012NB Bench Top Planer | JESSEM: Mast-R-Lift XL/Fence/Slide, Rout-R-Plate/Table Stand | RIKON: 50-120 6inX48in Belt-Disc Sander | JET: JBOS-5 Benchtop Oscillating Spindle Sander | PORTER CABLE: 7518 and 690LVRS Routers, 557 Pro Plate Joiner, 16/18/23 Gauge Nailers | LEIGH JIGS: D4R 24 Pro Dovetail Jig, FMT Pro Mortise & Tenon Jig | LIE-NIELSEN: Almost every hand plane | DOWELMAX: 3/8" and 1/4" | KREG: K3 Master System | FEIN: Multimaster FMM 250 Q Kit | TORMEK: Super-Grind 2000 | DUST DEPUTY: Industrial (ALL) Steel Deluxe Cyclone (2)

Offline Jmacpherson

  • Posts: 170
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2018, 04:10 AM »
The 36v Makita get critiqued for being underpowered (unpowered)??? I've never heard that and I know many people using it. I have it and use it all the time. It's the most powerful cordless tracksaw and it has more power than most corded....until the batteries get depleted.
I agree with Handyman, I've just replaced both my 240v ts55 and hkc55 with the 36v Makita it is that good.
I personally crosscut ironwood with no resistance that my 240v Kapex struggled more with.

Back on topic, I think best part of the Bosch/Mafell setup is the rail connector, much more accurate
https://cdn.axminster.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/920x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/5/0/501742_xl.jpg
https://cdn.axminster.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/920x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/5/0/501742_inset1_xl.jpg

Offline Steven Owen

  • Posts: 409
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2018, 05:10 PM »
Or get four cordless track saws attach one to each wheel and use zero gas. Would only be able to choose forward or reverse though.  [wink]



Seth

You’d run out of battery power after 300 feet.  The 18 Volt systems just don’t have the guts required to do large projects.  The new Makita 36 (Dual 18 Volt) gets heavily critiqued for being unpowered.
The 36v Makita get critiqued for being underpowered (unpowered)??? I've never heard that and I know many people using it. I have it and use it all the time. It's the most powerful cordless tracksaw and it has more power than most corded....until the batteries get depleted.

Thay said, 4 of those with 8 batteries should get you about 300 feet. Haha

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

The reviewers where passionate fans of the Festool cordless tracks saws.
Festool CT Midi, Festool ETS 125, DF 700 Domino Coming Soon

Offline amt

  • Posts: 379
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2018, 06:18 PM »
After using the mafell rails, I will never go back to the Festool rails. I’m working on custom rail guides for my Festool routers.

Offline DeformedTree

  • Posts: 166
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2018, 06:16 PM »
So is there any good website to learn about what stuff Bosch has, that is learn more about their Festool similar woodworking tools.   Being in the US, the track stuff and so forth is basically unseen. You can really only find info about the low end stuff sold at Lower and such.  The Bosch websites look to general be awful (every page a pop up, can't get anywheres without constant pop up messages about stuff).  The non-US sites are just as bad and really don't have good navigation or any good way I have found of figuring out much on the tools.

Offline Peter Halle

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 11530
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2018, 06:46 PM »
So is there any good website to learn about what stuff Bosch has, that is learn more about their Festool similar woodworking tools.   Being in the US, the track stuff and so forth is basically unseen. You can really only find info about the low end stuff sold at Lower and such.  The Bosch websites look to general be awful (every page a pop up, can't get anywheres without constant pop up messages about stuff).  The non-US sites are just as bad and really don't have good navigation or any good way I have found of figuring out much on the tools.

Perhaps a google search for a Bosch forum would reveal some results.  Here is one that came up for me:  https://www.bosch-professional.com/gb/en/community/

Peter

Offline Kevin D.

  • Posts: 900
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2018, 11:42 PM »
There's a video on this post here that is on the Bosch NA forum that has a lot of useful info on it especially if you already have Festool rails.

https://bethepro.com/forums/topic/bosch-track-saw-to-us-3rd-quarter-2018/#post-672528
Kapex, CT-SYS, SYS-Cart, Pro 5 Sander, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  Domino XL, MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).

Offline Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10471
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2018, 10:25 AM »
There's a video on this post here that is on the Bosch NA forum that has a lot of useful info on it especially if you already have Festool rails.

https://bethepro.com/forums/topic/bosch-track-saw-to-us-3rd-quarter-2018/#post-672528

Just a note that there's no guarantee that the North America version will be the same. It has a different model number entirely.

Here's the video.

« Last Edit: June 17, 2018, 10:29 AM by Shane Holland »
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline Kevin D.

  • Posts: 900
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2018, 10:50 AM »
And I was just told elsewhere on that Bosch forum that the Bosch accessories work on the Festool rails but you just have to make some adjustments to line them up with the splinter guard.  Keep in mind though, the fellow that offers this has an imported Bosch track saw from years ago and as Shane points out - and thank you Shane - the NA model may be different in some regards, nobody quite knows yet.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2018, 01:06 PM by Kevin D. »
Kapex, CT-SYS, SYS-Cart, Pro 5 Sander, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  Domino XL, MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).

Offline DeformedTree

  • Posts: 166
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2018, 02:33 PM »
So is there any good website to learn about what stuff Bosch has, that is learn more about their Festool similar woodworking tools.   Being in the US, the track stuff and so forth is basically unseen. You can really only find info about the low end stuff sold at Lower and such.  The Bosch websites look to general be awful (every page a pop up, can't get anywheres without constant pop up messages about stuff).  The non-US sites are just as bad and really don't have good navigation or any good way I have found of figuring out much on the tools.

Perhaps a google search for a Bosch forum would reveal some results.  Here is one that came up for me:  https://www.bosch-professional.com/gb/en/community/

Peter

Thanks, but that doesn't help  [sad]   I just want to be able to figure out what they make.  Bosch makes lots of stuff and doesn't keep a focused website on different sectors.  And their websites are awful.  For all Festools web issues at least it's fairly straight forward to understand what they make globally.

My main thing is trying to understand between Mafell and Bosch stuff could you get to the same basic place.  That is  a track system, with saws and routers for it, that have dust collection, that have a proper system for 32mm cabinetry construction.  Have something like an MFT setup, and something like a CMS setup.    This is basically what has kept me still looking at Festool stuff because they have a subset of stuff that all interplays and can't really interchange with others.  It looks like Bosch may bring the missing router/32mm parts to the same Mafell Rails, that one could be using with a MT55 saw.  So that gets closer.  But finding much of anything out about Bosch stuff is not easy or makes no sense. (why is a Bosch South Africa page asking me if I'm Canadian over and over).  You click something on one countries website and end up in a different countries website. 

Offline six-point socket II

  • Posts: 714
  • aka @the_black_tie_diyer
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2018, 06:59 PM »
Hi!

Yes, the Bosch-Website is awful. And they are still working on it, especially if it comes to listed accessories ...

If you want to take my word for it:

Bosch has no CMS or anything close to it.
Bosch has no MFT or anything close to it.

Regarding the pairing of Bosch and Mafell:

Mafell track saw will run on Bosch FSN RA 32 (32mm system guide rail). Obviously the Bosch router with OFA 32 Kit will also run on it. ;)

Bosch uses L-Boxx, Mafell Systainer. (If that matters to you/ your work)

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline DeformedTree

  • Posts: 166
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2018, 08:27 PM »
Yeah, it definitely looks like if the end goal was just tracked tools and not much beyond, I could go that route.

The CMS is something I really like the idea on, especially being over time my workspace will get smaller (problem with completing a house is less of it becomes job site), and in the end, I want to be able to pack/store it all easily.   It's part of the reason I own the really small Bosch table saw (the tube frame one were everything basically packs into a cube). In the end, it's far from a perfect product and I wouldn't try to do finish carpentry cuts with it, also it screams like a banshee.  So having a CMS option for router and smuggling in saw insert over time works for me.  The Mafell Erika just isn't appealing to me, and I don't see a similar insert concept to it.  While swapping inserts and so forth may be a bit of a hassle, it does save on redundant objects/weight/cost. 

It looks like Bosch in some ways is filling in some holes for at least the US market where Mafell leaves off by having a good router setup for the rails.  I'm not so sure why their would be much interest in the Circular saw, not seeing why someone wouldn't just get the Mafell. But if it means the Mafell rail system gets more bits and pieces out there, all the better.   

My concern with the Bosch stuff is if their pro stuff is like their other tools I have bought where they seam nice at first, but quickly you find they aren't that great quality wise or have some really bad designs.

Offline Kevin D.

  • Posts: 900
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #65 on: June 17, 2018, 11:01 PM »


My concern with the Bosch stuff is if their pro stuff is like their other tools I have bought where they seam nice at first, but quickly you find they aren't that great quality wise or have some really bad designs.

Like what?  I have tons of Bosch and don't perceive or experience that at all.
Kapex, CT-SYS, SYS-Cart, Pro 5 Sander, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  Domino XL, MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1471
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2018, 12:00 AM »
Bosch has no MFT or anything close to it.
There is Sortimo work table: https://www.sortimo-shop.us/product-p/1000003701.htm
Not Bosch, but considering that Bosch uses Sortimo storage solutions they are on the same team. Sortimo has much greater variety of products than Tanos.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2018, 12:02 AM by Svar »

Offline DeformedTree

  • Posts: 166
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2018, 12:43 AM »


My concern with the Bosch stuff is if their pro stuff is like their other tools I have bought where they seam nice at first, but quickly you find they aren't that great quality wise or have some really bad designs.

Like what?  I have tons of Bosch and don't perceive or experience that at all.

Table saw that doesn't like to go square to the fence, has a raise/tilt mechanism that either wants to jam or get jumpy, a ruler that that is in no way placed in the correct spot.  On my planer, it's basically like it's designed to clog constantly due to it's cleaver but yet too small direction selectors. Or a small level with a laser in it that you can cut your finger turning the laser on and off because they thought putting a turn nob in the middle of sharp machined aluminum was a good idea.  They have good ideas, but the implementation I have found to be bad.

Offline six-point socket II

  • Posts: 714
  • aka @the_black_tie_diyer
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2018, 03:36 AM »
Bosch has no MFT or anything close to it.
There is Sortimo work table: https://www.sortimo-shop.us/product-p/1000003701.htm
Not Bosch, but considering that Bosch uses Sortimo storage solutions they are on the same team. Sortimo has much greater variety of products than Tanos.

Thanks for pointing that out! I didn't mention this table because it hardly compares to the MFT/3. And yes, Bosch & Sortimo are close.

The Sortimo work table requires an additional WorkMo (If you buy the "Full-Set" over here, it runs 1.5k vs. 800 for the MFT/3)
The table can't be used as a standalone table.
The table has no cutting capabilities as is. (MFT/3 comes with guide rail, angle/miter fence)

If you have a WorkMo this might be an option worth looking into, if you don't it gets pricey and I personally have doubts that there will be accessories for the WorkMo table in near future, that will let you add a guide rail/miter fence for example.

Otherwise this is a great product, I saw/handled it in person in March.

Edit: Here are some real life pictures and a video (at the very end).

https://www.bm-online.de/produkte-und-tests/lesertests/workmo-im-test/

Kind regards,
Oliver
« Last Edit: June 18, 2018, 05:01 AM by six-point socket II »
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline RussellS

  • Posts: 216
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2018, 03:12 PM »


My concern with the Bosch stuff is if their pro stuff is like their other tools I have bought where they seam nice at first, but quickly you find they aren't that great quality wise or have some really bad designs.

Like what?  I have tons of Bosch and don't perceive or experience that at all.

Agree wholeheartedly.  I don't know what the F this person is taking about.  All the Bosch tools I have, have worked wonderfully for years or decades now.  Excellent tools.

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1471
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2018, 03:18 PM »
My concern with the Bosch stuff is if their pro stuff is like their other tools I have bought where they seam nice at first, but quickly you find they aren't that great quality wise or have some really bad designs.
I can say the same about Festool. After initial excitement you begin to discover drawbacks. Nothing is flawless, but overall and in comparison to others Bosch tools are excellent.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2018, 05:22 PM by Svar »

Offline JimH2

  • Posts: 610
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2018, 05:17 PM »
I'll backup those backing Bosch. There tools are well-built cost-effective alternatives to Festool and others. I have never been disappointed in one while using it.

Offline Steven Owen

  • Posts: 409
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2018, 07:36 PM »
I'll backup those backing Bosch. There tools are well-built cost-effective alternatives to Festool and others. I have never been disappointed in one while using it.

Bosch is one of the few major tool brands delivering very good quality tools.  Many of the other companies have dropped quality to cut corners and maximize profits. 

You always judge every tool on it’s individual merit.  Every band has good and bad products.  I agree.  I can’t imagine any good reason to bash Bosch’s products. 
Festool CT Midi, Festool ETS 125, DF 700 Domino Coming Soon

Offline DeformedTree

  • Posts: 166
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2018, 09:34 PM »
I'll backup those backing Bosch. There tools are well-built cost-effective alternatives to Festool and others. I have never been disappointed in one while using it.

Bosch is one of the few major tool brands delivering very good quality tools.  Many of the other companies have dropped quality to cut corners and maximize profits. 

You always judge every tool on it’s individual merit.  Every band has good and bad products.  I agree.  I can’t imagine any good reason to bash Bosch’s products.

Agreed,  I wasn't intending to bash Bosch, but I also won't operate on a default assumption that everything they make is great.  They make a lot of stuff, so some things will be good, other things won't be.  When you make a ton of products for different markets, you also tend as a company to fall in the trap of having some grand business plan drive random decision into things across the lines the aren't very good for a particular business units products.  Also Bosch does a lot of pick and pull from other companies to make stuff.  I'm looking at a heat pump they market, it's Mitsubishi bits on the inside for the outdoor unit, and the air handler inside is a rebadged of a Chinese companies product.  How it all does in the end, hard to say.  I don't know how native their tools are verses pick and pull/rebrand mixed with native. How consistent they are and so forth.   And yes, I understand Festool has done similar things in acquiring stuff over time.

I don't have a mountain of Bosch tools, but of what I have bought, I'm not thrilled about (slice your finger enough times on a level, you get pretty un-happy). I have no way to judge how their other stuff will be.

If I was a Bosch Basher I certainly wouldn't be trying to get more info on them to understand how they stand as an option compared to Festool.

Offline Kevin D.

  • Posts: 900
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2018, 08:57 AM »


My concern with the Bosch stuff is if their pro stuff is like their other tools I have bought where they seam nice at first, but quickly you find they aren't that great quality wise or have some really bad designs.

Like what?  I have tons of Bosch and don't perceive or experience that at all.

Table saw that doesn't like to go square to the fence, has a raise/tilt mechanism that either wants to jam or get jumpy, a ruler that that is in no way placed in the correct spot.  On my planer, it's basically like it's designed to clog constantly due to it's cleaver but yet too small direction selectors. Or a small level with a laser in it that you can cut your finger turning the laser on and off because they thought putting a turn nob in the middle of sharp machined aluminum was a good idea.  They have good ideas, but the implementation I have found to be bad.

I don't believe I have any of those tools myself.  Which level is it that you have? 

I have two digital levels from Bosch and while the angle finder inclinometer is on the heavy side, I still like it.  The other one I have I just bought and is the standard 24in digital level.  I also have a 48in digital Stabila which has a better IP water resistance rating than the Bosch ones Bosch makes.

Which table saw is it that you have?  The 4100 is much better than the smaller one from what I've read.  It's heavier, but it is better made. 

Never tried their older planers either, but I did just buy their newly released 12V planer which I haven't tried yet, just got it last week actually. 

So I guess you've had some bad luck buying some of their not-so-great stuff.  Understood.  My only gripe of theirs so far, is the AM reception on their big PB360 radio is terrible, and its FM reception is not the greatest periodically, but I typically just use both of mine for listening to music off a device via BlueTooth anyways.

I have a lot of Bosch.  I think I'm up to 35 or so tools registered on my ProVantage account with them (ProVantage is for their cordless stuff), and maybe 20 plus tools on their regular warranty account for their corded stuff. 
« Last Edit: June 19, 2018, 09:02 AM by Kevin D. »
Kapex, CT-SYS, SYS-Cart, Pro 5 Sander, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  Domino XL, MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).

Offline DeformedTree

  • Posts: 166
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #75 on: June 19, 2018, 10:21 PM »
This Level. 

It's rather nice in many ways, but what you can't tell in the photo is the turn knob in the back is hidden inside it, so you have 4 edges that when you turn the knob want to slice your fingers plus the pointy corners.   Funny in the reviews on the website it reviews poorly but no one mentioned the cutting of fingers but they mention how the on off is bad and they have issues. I get mine on and off just fine, of course you have to be very careful not to hurt self, so maybe their issue is they are trying to avoid hurting finger and thus not turning it all the way.

Apparently it's sold under other brands than Bosch, so not clear if they were the OEM on it.  Does Bosch make any of their in house design stuff in China?

Anyways, conversation has drifted from tracksaw.

Offline Kevin D.

  • Posts: 900
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #76 on: June 19, 2018, 10:56 PM »
I don't think I've ever seen that one.  I thought it was a digital level you were talking about, my mistake.

I've never been crazy about a tool that is wearing too many hats.  I like my levels to levels, and my lasers to be lasers, not both at the same time.  Have no idea whether that is a Bosch proprietor design, but the vast majority of Bosch tools are designed and built by Bosch.  This particular one I do question just like yourself.  It doesn't have that Bosch design I've come to know it seems.

Could be originally made by a Bosch subsidiary.  Bosch owns a lot of companies.  They're a pretty massive company.  Power tools is but a small part of what they do, especially here in what they offer here in NA insofar as power tools.

If you're keen on a good torpedo level, see if you can find the solid cast SOLA level.  I have one I bought for a good price about 8 years ago and it is a great little level.  The vials are easy to read and are guaranteed for life.  They're practically indestructible.

https://www.amazon.com/Sola-MM-25-Aluminum-Magnetic/dp/B0081G0K2I

For lasers, I have all Bosch lasers.  Think I have about 8 or 10 of them for various purposes.  Been very happy with them.  I don't have any green lasers yet, but likely will at some point.  They eat batteries like crazy but their light is much easier to read than the red lasers.  Al lasers sold can be no stronger than class 2 lasers, so the greens apparently are the answer to hard to read conditions.

What was this thread about again.....of yea, Bosch track saw....lol!
Kapex, CT-SYS, SYS-Cart, Pro 5 Sander, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  Domino XL, MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).

Offline yetihunter

  • Posts: 570
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2018, 12:11 AM »
About the blade.  While it's true that the Mafell MT55 and Festool HK blades are interchangeable, I'm 98% that the Bosch blade has a wider diameter (4-5 mm).
This saw has been available for over six years, so I presume the precise size info is floating around the internet.

Offline DeformedTree

  • Posts: 166
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #78 on: June 20, 2018, 12:13 AM »
I agree about focused tools verses do alls.  This is one of like 3 torpedo's I own.  I own many many levels, much bigger levels.   This tool is very nice with the magnet.  Sticking it to steel stuff makes it very handy. But mainly I bought it for the laser square function, works will for laying out walls in houses where nothing is square, true or straight.

You can never have enough levels, squares, plumb bobs, tape measures, etc.  And having them at all prices grades is good too, cause sometimes you need to make a custom length level.   

The Bosch tools I have are classic examples of things that are both good and bad at the same time.  They have a purpose, they do some of it well, and other ways they fail. 

Offline DeformedTree

  • Posts: 166
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #79 on: June 20, 2018, 12:20 AM »
About the blade.  While it's true that the Mafell MT55 and Festool HK blades are interchangeable, I'm 98% that the Bosch blade has a wider diameter (4-5 mm).
This saw has been available for over six years, so I presume the precise size info is floating around the internet.

General question, is there an ISO standard on saw blades or general standardization?  In the US there is or were just a couple common sizes/arbors.  Mini saws brought about a whole lot more sizes.  But it looks like the German saws run different dimensions, but tend to run the same different dimensions to the US sizes.   Quick search makes it look like there is one, but can't get behind ISO wall.  If there is a spec, I suspect they design to it and it has a range they can fall into.

Offline Kevin D.

  • Posts: 900
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #80 on: June 20, 2018, 03:23 AM »

The Bosch tools I have are classic examples of things that are both good and bad at the same time.  They have a purpose, they do some of it well, and other ways they fail.

You've had bad luck basically in my opinion with what you have had with Bosch.  Just my opinion. 

I've had it with Milwaukee myself.  A brand that I thought was revered until I had three drills prematurely crap out, bad customer service and gouging prices for accessories I needed, and non powered Milwaukee items I bought that were just plain badly engineered.  I learned my lesson, which was long and prolonged and moreso than you have had with Bosch, and simply have started to view Milwaukee as just another company that is riding its namesake coattails into the ground competing in the BB stores market against other inferior brands.  One sign to me is a company offering too many different tools all of a sudden for everything, Milwaukee is one of them.  Think Ryobi.

We each have our own unique qualifying experiences.  If I was a Bosch rep with discretion, I'd set you up with other offerings that I'm sure would make you change your mind, but that's a silly Utopian idea. 

Just sayin', Bosch is by and large IMO a quality manufacturer, albeit with limited NA offerings, but I do know they are a real still decent tool company whereas so many others have 'cheaped out' to appeal to the masses while still offering quality tools at less than exorbitant prices.

FWIW.
Kapex, CT-SYS, SYS-Cart, Pro 5 Sander, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  Domino XL, MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).

Offline Jmacpherson

  • Posts: 170
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #81 on: June 20, 2018, 04:17 AM »
About the blade.  While it's true that the Mafell MT55 and Festool HK blades are interchangeable, I'm 98% that the Bosch blade has a wider diameter (4-5 mm).
This saw has been available for over six years, so I presume the precise size info is floating around the internet.

The Bosch blades are 165mm x 20mm bore and are actually made in Italy by Freud. Bosch bought Freud a couple of years ago.
The blades actually say made in Italy on them. The kerf is 1.8mm and the base thickness is 1.3mm across all the tooth counts they sell for the saw.


Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #82 on: June 20, 2018, 09:48 AM »
Bosch bought Freud a couple of years ago.

FWIW...from a 2008 press release:
Freud is Bosch’s fifth strategic acquisition this year to strengthen its Power Tools division. In January and July 2008, Bosch expanded its measuring-tools business by acquiring the Chinese specialist RoboToolz and the U.S. company CST/berger. A few weeks ago, Bosch also purchased parts of the garden irrigation business of L.R. Nelson Corporation, based in Peoria, USA, strengthening its range of garden irrigation products. In addition, it has acquired the majority shareholding in Sia Abrasives, a Swiss manufacturer of flexible abrasive systems.

With power tools, accessories, garden tools, and measuring technology, the Bosch Power Tools division generated sales of 3.1 billion euros in 2007. The division employs a global workforce of roughly 16,000 associates.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2018, 10:33 AM by Cheese »

Offline Kevin D.

  • Posts: 900
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #83 on: June 20, 2018, 10:04 AM »
Bosch bought Freud a couple of years ago.

FWIW...from a 2008 press release:
Freud is Bosch’s fifth strategic acquisition this year to strengthen its Power Tools division. In January and July 2008, Bosch expanded its measuring-tools business by acquiring the Chinese specialist RoboToolz and the U.S. company CST/berger. A few weeks ago, Bosch also purchased parts of the garden irrigation business of L.R. Nelson Corporation, based in Peoria, USA, strengthening its range of garden irrigation products. In addition, it has acquired the majority shareholding in Sia Abrasives, a Swiss manufacturer of flexible abrasive systems.

With power tools, accessories, garden tools, and measuring technology, the Bosch Power Tools division generated sales of 3.1 billion euros in 2007. The division employs a global workforce of roughly 16,000 associates.

Like I said earlier. huge company that has many companies it owns.  Off the top of my head, they also own RotoZip and Skil, that I can think of.

Robert Bosch, the original founder was an interesting character apparently when he founded this company in the 1800's, he had a dedication to quality with not only his product and how to sell it to consumers, but also with his employees which endures to this day thru what is mostly still controlled by his descendants. 

I read up on Bosch a few years ago and it seemed to me that it was a great company to work for which has become so rare nowadays in our mutual fund driven world where companies are constantly looking to squeeze more blood out of the rock so to speak to satisfy investors.   I just like this company frankly.  And no.....I have absolutely zero German heritage nor do I have any past or present vested interest in Bosch other than being a satisfied user.

EDIT:  Correction....while Bosch did join up with Skil years ago and ultimately controlled Skil, in 2016, Bosch sold their interest/ownership in Skil to HK based Chervon Ltd.  I do believe though they still continue to collaborate at a marketing level together from what I've seen myself, but they are two separate and distinct ownership entities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skil#1979_to_present
« Last Edit: June 20, 2018, 11:18 AM by Kevin D. »
Kapex, CT-SYS, SYS-Cart, Pro 5 Sander, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  Domino XL, MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).

Offline Steven Owen

  • Posts: 409
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #84 on: June 20, 2018, 10:15 AM »
The Bosch Track Saw will create more competition and put more pressure on the market to evolve again.  Festool needs some pressure applied to them.  They’ve taken their market for granted for the past 5-6 years.  Some new competition never hurts.
Festool CT Midi, Festool ETS 125, DF 700 Domino Coming Soon

Online Joe Felchlin

  • Posts: 137
  • Just another day in paradise - Livin’ the dream!
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2018, 09:13 PM »
After reading thru this thread - And seriously considering buying the coming Bosch TS -
In Reply #53 (above) -
I happily wrote: “Yesterday, I “scored” a TS 55 REQ-F-Plus USA and FS-1400 Guide Rail (55") combo - On Festool’s Recon Sale - At 75% of their New Price. Couldn’t pass it up.”

Well...
The saw arrived - DOA.
To add “insult to injury”, as it were - The angle indicator reads 0 degrees -
But, the Base isn’t close to being 90 degrees to the Blade.
Does anybody check these saws before their shipped?

The saw’s on its way to Festool Service tomorrow.
Maybe I should have waited for the Bosch TS.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2018, 09:17 PM by Joe Felchlin »
FESTOOL: CT26 and CT33 E HEPA Dust Extractors, MFT 1080, MFT-3, TS 55 REQ-F-Plus USA, TS75 EQ, Guide Rails: 1080's/1400/3000mm, LR 32-SYS/Holey Rail, Parallel Guides and Extensions, OF1400 EQ Plunge Router, OF1010 EQ Plunge Router, HL 850 Planer, RO125 FEQ Rotex Sander, LS 130 EQ Linear Detail Sander, DX93E Detail Sander, C12 Cordless Drill, CXS Cordless Compact Drill Driver, SYS-Centrotec-Set, Domino XL DF 700 EQ Plus Tenon Joiner Set, Domino DF 500 Tenon Joiner | WOODPECKERS: DF 500 Offset Base System | BOSCH: 5412L Compound Miter Saw, 4100-09 10-Inch Table Saw | POWERMATIC: 60HH 8" Jointer, PWBS 14" Bandsaw w/Riser Block | MAKITA: 2012NB Bench Top Planer | JESSEM: Mast-R-Lift XL/Fence/Slide, Rout-R-Plate/Table Stand | RIKON: 50-120 6inX48in Belt-Disc Sander | JET: JBOS-5 Benchtop Oscillating Spindle Sander | PORTER CABLE: 7518 and 690LVRS Routers, 557 Pro Plate Joiner, 16/18/23 Gauge Nailers | LEIGH JIGS: D4R 24 Pro Dovetail Jig, FMT Pro Mortise & Tenon Jig | LIE-NIELSEN: Almost every hand plane | DOWELMAX: 3/8" and 1/4" | KREG: K3 Master System | FEIN: Multimaster FMM 250 Q Kit | TORMEK: Super-Grind 2000 | DUST DEPUTY: Industrial (ALL) Steel Deluxe Cyclone (2)

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1471
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2018, 10:09 PM »
To add “insult to injury”, as it were - The angle indicator reads 0 degrees -
But, the Base isn’t close to being 90 degrees to the Blade.
Does anybody check these saws before their shipped?
The saw’s on its way to Festool Service tomorrow.
Maybe I should have waited for the Bosch TS.
Why? It's a couple minutes of adjustments. Quicker than packing it for shipment. Chances are you may need the same adjustments with Bosch.

Online Joe Felchlin

  • Posts: 137
  • Just another day in paradise - Livin’ the dream!
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2018, 10:19 PM »
Yea Svar. That would have been OK. That would been simple/easy.
I guess you missed the part about the saw being DOA on receipt.
Ya kinda expect that when you plug it in and pull the trigger... It outa start. Nada.

My point about the base not being 90 degrees to the base - Wasn’t about an adjustment.
My post was meant to point out that -
TWO separate problems existed with a product sent out as “reconditioned”.
It wasn’t.

BTW... GarethR commented on the subject in “TS 55 REQ - Setting blade angle squareness” Reply #5:
“Would be useful if Festool released some official instructions. To be told by the service agent that the saw needs sending in and then to read elsewhere that service agents provide instructions for doing it yourself, and that the methods differ, is confusing.”
« Last Edit: June 20, 2018, 10:39 PM by Joe Felchlin »
FESTOOL: CT26 and CT33 E HEPA Dust Extractors, MFT 1080, MFT-3, TS 55 REQ-F-Plus USA, TS75 EQ, Guide Rails: 1080's/1400/3000mm, LR 32-SYS/Holey Rail, Parallel Guides and Extensions, OF1400 EQ Plunge Router, OF1010 EQ Plunge Router, HL 850 Planer, RO125 FEQ Rotex Sander, LS 130 EQ Linear Detail Sander, DX93E Detail Sander, C12 Cordless Drill, CXS Cordless Compact Drill Driver, SYS-Centrotec-Set, Domino XL DF 700 EQ Plus Tenon Joiner Set, Domino DF 500 Tenon Joiner | WOODPECKERS: DF 500 Offset Base System | BOSCH: 5412L Compound Miter Saw, 4100-09 10-Inch Table Saw | POWERMATIC: 60HH 8" Jointer, PWBS 14" Bandsaw w/Riser Block | MAKITA: 2012NB Bench Top Planer | JESSEM: Mast-R-Lift XL/Fence/Slide, Rout-R-Plate/Table Stand | RIKON: 50-120 6inX48in Belt-Disc Sander | JET: JBOS-5 Benchtop Oscillating Spindle Sander | PORTER CABLE: 7518 and 690LVRS Routers, 557 Pro Plate Joiner, 16/18/23 Gauge Nailers | LEIGH JIGS: D4R 24 Pro Dovetail Jig, FMT Pro Mortise & Tenon Jig | LIE-NIELSEN: Almost every hand plane | DOWELMAX: 3/8" and 1/4" | KREG: K3 Master System | FEIN: Multimaster FMM 250 Q Kit | TORMEK: Super-Grind 2000 | DUST DEPUTY: Industrial (ALL) Steel Deluxe Cyclone (2)

Online Cheese

  • Posts: 4946
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2018, 10:46 PM »

Ya kinda expect that when you plug it in and pull the trigger... It outa start. Nada.

It was meant to point out that TWO separate problems existed with a product sent out as “reconditioned”. It wasn’t.

To the first point that's funny... [big grin]

To the second point, that's disturbing because these are supposed to be reconditioned tools.

More importantly, this unfortunately is not the first time the issue has been raised about reconditioned items. It makes me wonder how much due-diligence Festool actually engages in when "reconditioning" these tools. 
Each tool should have its own list of items to check or adjust. Along with a list of items that need to be included in the Systainer.  The list then gets included with the tool and is initialed by the technician. If a customer has an issue with the tool or contents, the tool and check list both get returned to Festool for their perusal. It really is quite simple. Following their own ISO guidelines would have prevented this occurrence from happening.  [sad]
« Last Edit: June 21, 2018, 07:46 AM by Cheese »

Offline Kevin D.

  • Posts: 900
Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #89 on: June 22, 2018, 03:29 AM »
Four of the first seven tools I ordered that when I got into Festool back in 2009 were recons and have served me well over the years, although I'm not an everyday trades person, but have used them well in those years since.

No idea if their recons are that well traded/done towards today.  Some back then were varying degrees of discounts.  Ten to 30% depending on their qualifying estimations of wear and tear at Festool themselves.  I'm still quite happy to this day with those items/tools.

I feel I lucked out as here in Canada, nobody does recon offerings on Festool for quite a few years now.  I did speak to a few of what was actual Festool USA staff at the the Roadshow a month ago here in Toronto, and was told that they will have a recon type sale here in Canada in July sometime, or at least at that time was their expected date for it,
Kapex, CT-SYS, SYS-Cart, Pro 5 Sander, CT36AC, TS75, MFT 1080, MF-SYS/2, PS300 EQ-Plus, Parallel Guides Set, LR32 SYS, RO 150FEQ-Plus, OF1400 EQ Plus, DOMINO 500 Q-Plus,  Domino XL, MFK 700 EQ-Set, FS-SYS/2, CT22 w/hose storage, D36HW-RS-Plus, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, FS 1080/2-LR32, FS 1400/2-LR32, Gecko, Festool Floor Mat, Festool Stein, Multi-Tool, tape measure, large and small Festool floor mats (foam rubber).