Author Topic: Crazy Horse -- a REVOLUTIONARY New Way to Move Plywood and Other Panels  (Read 4759 times)

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Offline RDMuller

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There have been several major developments that I have found to contribute dramatically to safety and ease of use in moving large heavy 4X8 sheets such as plywood, mdf, etc. and facilitate accurate easy cutting.

1.  The Festool TS55 saw with guide rails.  In particular, the guide rails that exceed 48"  and 96".  I believe my longest is 108".  Thank you Festool!

2.  The "invention" and publication of the disposable open torsion box concept of a cutting table by ME!!   This was published 7 years ago on YouTube and was introduced here on this forum.   There have been countless modifications of this concept since on the forum.  You can find these videos by going to youtube.com and searching for 2 words:   Muller Festool.  Thank you Roger!

This video was named training video of the year by Cabinetmaker magazine at the time (now called FDM).  Every year at Festool Connect, I have had people introduce themselves to me and thank me for those videos.   

3.  The Guide Rail Square accessory by TSO Products.  www.tsoproducts.com   This works extremely well and stays in position.  Thank you Hans for bringing this to market!

4.  Something very exciting announced in the Dec 15, 2017 edition of woodworkingnetwork.com (yesterday).   This is a 272666-0new product a woodworker named Larry Lee is developing.  I have attached a picture, a link to the article and a link to the YouTube video.  I first looked at the picture and said to myself -- "This could never work".    LOOK AT THE YOUTUBE VIDEO
Thank you Larry, best of luck in your efforts.

https://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/news/woodworking-industry-news/crazy-horse-dolly-handles-panels-shop

Here is the link to the YouTube Video   http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Pzg7ZZ57ydc

I am attaching a Jpeg.  Make sure you watch the video to see this in action

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Thanks for posting, it looks like a great invention. I hope that Larry sales a lot of these, Iā€™m most likely going to buy one or two of them when they become available.
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Offline Chris Perren

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Great Idea and Product.  Looking forward to seeing final version and price.

Offline Tinker

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What a great idea.  It reminds me of something I did way back when I was a mason contractor.  I was working a stone fireplace when the owner had received delivery of a 1000 gallon oil tank. It had been dropped in the middle of his garage perpendicular to the direction it had to be rolled to a side wall. The owner and his friend were perplexed that they could not turn it around to roll in the direction they wanted to roll it.  They were both engineers, which struck my helper and me sort of odd they could not figure it out. They decided that two more men would be sufficient to turn it.  I looked at my helper, who, BTW, never got thru 6th grade and could neither read or spell, and  signaled for him to keep quiet.  Once the owner and his friend disappeared to go find help, I told my helper to go find a short piece of 2x4 and a piece of 4x4 or anything thicker than the  2x4. He knew right away what I had in mind. We just set the 2x4 close to the center of the tank and the 6x6 about 4 or 5 feet away, rolled the tank onto the 2x4. The tank stopped rolling when it got onto the 2x4 so we did not need the 6x6 to stop it. We just twisted the tank around on the 2x and rolled it to the wall. As luck would have it, all the caps were at the top of the tank when against the wall. We got rid of the 2x4 and 6x6 and never told how we had managed to twist the tank and put in place right side up. I often used the same method to set heavy stones by lifting with my back hoe and dropping onto a short piece of wood, a brick or another stone close to where I wanted it and twisting back and forth until it was perfectly in place. 

I think that crazy horse is a stroke of genius and really a back saver. 
Tinker
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Great idea!

What do you think the hemisphere is made of? It looks like it has a non-slip surface.

Also wondering what the thin lines are that go from the flat disk to the nut?
I suppose the elevator post is similar to T-JAK?

So the Quick/Tilt Knob is kept from inadvertently tilting by elastic cord?

Offline Svar

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What do you think the hemisphere is made of?
I think the video mentioned rubber. Alternatively one could use small flat top on a ball swivel joint.

Offline mwildt

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Brilliant

Offline fshanno

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It's a brilliant idea.  And it would be utterly useless for me. 

I have a two car garage.  In that garage are the following a jointer, a lunch box planer on a cart, a router table, a grinder on a stand, a band saw, a drill press, a 10' long crosscut station for my Kapex.  A 4x8 low rise assembly table on wheels w/storage below, an MFT on a cart w/storage below, a Sears tool chest on wheels, a Kreg Forman on a cart, a 2x5 workbench, a 2x6 workbench/outfeed table, a dust collector, a CT36 with boom, a refrigerator, a fan on a 24x24 rolling stand and a cabinet saw with a 50 inch fence.

Roll around a 4x8 sheet of plywood on the horizontal?  Are you kidding?  I can barely walk.

But it's such a good idea I may make one anyway!

P.S.   A power feeder on a table saw?  I'm surprised.  I expected to see a Powermatic laser guided straight line rip saw.  How disappointing.  Why do I have this deep gnawing resentment of a guy working by himself in a 5000 sq ft shop with every tool one man could possibly use? 
« Last Edit: December 21, 2017, 01:32 AM by fshanno »
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That's genuinely awesome for this type of shop, not sure if it would work in mine, but I can see it being pivotal in the right shop.
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Offline jimbo51

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"That's genuinely awesome for this type of shop, not sure if it would work in mine, but I can see it being pivotal in the right shop."

Pivotal. I say, I say, that's a joke, son.

Offline Scorpion

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Crazy Horse -- a REVOLUTIONARY New Way to Move Plywood and Other Panels
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2018, 11:26 AM »
Neat idea.  Wonder though, how well it would work when working with 5ā€™ sheets instead of 8ā€™ sheets.  (Maybe) luck has the working height of the crazy horse and your machines/work surfaces at less than half the length of the material you use.  Leverage to pull a 5ā€™ sheet up on in the saddle off of the floor would be lessened dramatically because the working height would be more than mid-board unless the saddle was lowered.  Intriguing tho.  Clearly you were wearing your thinking cap...


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Offline talk-tools

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I'm glad I watched the video, so I could see that sheets could be pulled from the wall and pivoted successfully onto the device. I would have guessed that the panels would push it toward you in a frustrating cat-and-mouse game. He showed you could use a foot, but also that it wasn't needed. The rubber material used plus the shape must be just right. Nicely done.

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Offline zapdafish

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Looks pretty cool. I was considering the one by Rockler.

http://www.rockler.com/rockler-material-mate-panel-cart-and-shop-stand

Since I don't have so much room, being able to tilt it to get around in my garage seems more friendly.
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Offline TealaG

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I love the idea, but he has plenty of room for it.   I need the collapsible version or a mini version.   I don't have the floor space to store it.   :-[

Offline Greg Powers

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I love the idea, but he has plenty of room for it.   I need the collapsible version or a mini version.   I don't have the floor space to store it.   :-[

Me too +1
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Offline Woodwork Wizard

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What a great way to move 8 x 4 sheets and easily put them where you want them by one person.

Offline RobNJ

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I need the one that helps get 4x8 sheets down the stairs!

Offline Corwin

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I need the one that helps get 4x8 sheets down the stairs!

Ha, ha, ha, don't we all!  [big grin]
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline rst

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Those types of accessories usually entail furnishing beer.   [big grin]

Offline RDMuller

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I need the one that helps get 4x8 sheets down the stairs!
I NEVER bring 4x8 down the stairs anymore .  Break them up to something smaller in the garage with a TS55 track saw.  Much more accurate then the tablesaw for full sheets.

Offline Mario Turcot

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I need the one that helps get 4x8 sheets down the stairs!
I NEVER bring 4x8 down the stairs anymore .  Break them up to something smaller in the garage with a TS55 track saw.  Much more accurate then the tablesaw for full sheets.

You tell me, I stripped two sheets of BB into 2" strips to make 25 systainer drawers and I was amazed how easy was the assembly. I only cross cut the parts on the table saw. I could have use the Kapex but I am not setup yet for repetitive cuts :( but it's coming shortly :)

Mario
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