Unfortunately I couldn't find proper information on connecting the CTL Midi to the plastic Dust Deputy (US$ 59) therefore I thought it might be worth to start a new post for myself and other Midi owners. Images of the completed setup will be posted later.

For those not owning a Midi, the biggest difference to the other models beside power and capacity is the D27 (27 mm) hose.

I've just ordered the new Dust Deputy, but I guess it will take a few days for delivery and in the meantime I would like to order the proper accessory for a perfect setup.

I am thinking about buying the Plug It Suction Hose anyway since this would really improve my taped DIY version and this seems to be the perfect time.

From my research I've learned that it's probably not necessary to switch to D36 (36 mm) or even D50 (50 mm).  If someone feels different about this please let me know.

I am intending to use an old Systainer (probably SYS 4) instead of a bucket, mount the Deputy on top, cut the original CTL Midi D 27 hose and connect it to the Deputy. The new D 27 Plug It Hose would then connect to the tool.

The Deputy obviously has a 2" outlet and inlet therefore I assume the Festool  rotating angle adapter (#456806) and the rotating adapter (#452892) with 58 mm (outside) should almost fit. I like to keep the Dust Deputy optional, therefore the connection should be easy to take off. Will these Festool adapters fit the Dust Deputy?


Angled adapter #456806


Adapter #452892

I've seen many setups, but never with an angled connection, like the Festool rotating angle adapter, from the Deputy to the vac, although it would make a slimmer setup. Is there any downside with an angled connection?

I have the older metal DD, but this should work for the plastic one as well.  I went to the plumbing section of HD and bought a rubber 90 elbox with 2 hose clamps.  It fits perfectly on the 2" DD top outlet and connects directly to a  a 1 1/2" Mr. Nozzle hose section (4.5") that I purchased from Lee Valley.  I use this 4.5' section between the DD and the CT22.  I use a 27mm antistatic hose between the DD and tool, or the reminder (19') of the Mr. Nozzle hose for general cleanup and the planer.   

No complains here.

The $99.00 Dust Deputy comes with a 2 1/2 inch hose that goes between the vacuum and the cyclone.  It has fittings on each end that are the same and they will hook onto the vac just like the Festool hoses do.  They also have this same fitting at Woodcraft.  When I set up my Dust Deputy I didn't use the black hose that comes with the Dust Deputy because it was too short for the way I mounted mine..  I mounted My Dust Deputy on top of the ct33 so I needed longer hose to go between the vac and the cyclone.  The fitting on the Festool hose fits directly on the cyclone as well.  However, when I set mine up, I put a piece of 2 1/2 inch hose from the cyclone on one end and mounted the other end on the to pf the ct33.  That is where I plug in my Festool hose so when I pull on it it doesn't put stress on top of the cyclone.  To do this, I bought two of the fittings at Woodcraft that are the same as the two that came with the dust deputy and some extra 2 1/2 inch hose.  

So really, when you buy the Dust Deputy, you don't need any extra fittings or hoses to make it work.... Only if you need a longer hose for your specific mounting application or if your add the anti stress hose the way I did.  Since the clear hose that I added has steel wire reinforcement, eventually I'm going to complete the continuity From the vac all the way through the system to the Festool hose that goes to the tool.

Also, I don't have the Midi or Mini, but if they have the 90 degree fitting at the vac, I believe you just eliminate it and the Dust deputy Hose will fit directly on the vac just like the Festool hoses do.  Keep in mind that all the additional hoses reduce suction.  And the Midi and Mini have less CFM than the 22 o33 already.  So if you are going to use the Mini or Midi with the Dust Deputy, I would think about mounting them side by side and using the shortest connection between the vac and Cyclone with the hose and fittings that come with the Dust deputy.  Also, I would consider eliminating  the extra hose that I added to reduce the stress on the top of the cyclone.  Instead I would rig up something else so when you pull on the hose it doesn't pull the top of the cyclone.

Separated Unit below:



Mounting to CT33 below:



Hoses attached below:



Complete Unit below:

It's a Mini-Cyclone and diverts a substantial amount of the dust and debris to a 5 gallon bucket instead of the vac.

Thanks Wayne & Ruta

Craig,

There are two buckets.  One is screwed to the wooden mounting board.  The one that catches the dust set inside of it.  I also drilled some holes in the "holster" bucket to reduce the suction when pulling the top bucket out to empty.  So to empty is simple, just pop the top off and pick the dust bucket up with the handle.

Eventually I plan to automate emptying the dust deputies and put a 4 inch gate on the bottom of the bucket.  when It's time to empty, I'll just put the hose on the 4 inch gate that goes to my large cyclone and presto, empty system without any dust.  The only time I will be exposed to dust is when I empty the Large cyclone which is already in a contractors bag.  I just close it up, seal it off and put in a new bag.

I have three small cyclones like the one you see in the pictures above and will probably be adding a fourth.  Another reason to transfer the Dust Deputy dirt into the large cyclone is this.  The large cyclone has a sensor that alerts a loud buzzer when full.  However when it goes off there it isn't quite full, maybe 6 inches of room left before it's completely full.  At that point I don't like to empty the bag early and waste bags but I also don't want to shut off the buzzer and risk spoiling my filters.  So that is the time I will go around and suction out all the dust deputies, filling the void in the large cyclone, and then change the large cyclone bag.  At least that's the plan.

Steve,

My Dust Deputy came with two buckets just for the purpose of one being for dust and the other for mounting...so it wasn't my idea.  I bought the complete unit for 99.00.  I know they sell just the cyclone for 59.00.  To me the best bargain was the complete unit.

The cure for that is easy you just need to renforce the container.

I had the same hard decision to make and that was when I needed a hose my kapex.  I wanted something I could afford so I was going to get the non-antistatic hose.  But then the voice kept running in my head "But what if you have a fire"  then I would of always felt like I should of went with the anti-static hose.  You can never go wrong buying this hose if you can afford it. 

I should add that I also used a hose connector cut in half with one half at each the intake and output ends of the cyclone to connect the hoses.  Since these connectors are also AS, this allowed me to make the needed connection (copper tape) to these added pieces leaving the hoses alone -- just plug and play.

Well sometimes a new filter bag can really make a difference!

With the new bag the midi cyclone has a great performance! I'll post some photos tomorrow.

Please excuse my last post, as I just realized the new bag made the difference 

Dan.

Hello FOG!

I am excited to be able to introduce to you a new product from Oneida Air Systems, Inc. that is coming very soon! A Dust Deputy that is specifically designed to be integrated with your Festool.  I am sure most of you are familiar with the Dust Deputy(www.dustdeputy.com).  For those of you who are not familiar with the Dust Deputy, the Dust Deputy is an extremely efficient, cyclonic pre-seperator for vacuums.  The Dust Deputy will filter 99% of sanding dust, with only 1% going into the vacuum, thus extending the life of your vacuum and filters. 

Coming very soon, Oneida will have a Dust Deputy that has been designed to be integrated into your Festool systainer system (see picture) seamlessly.  No more cumbersome buckets attached to your Festool.  All the benefits of the Dust Deputy in a streamlined design for your Festool, that works with your Festool Systainer system. 

Please leave me your questions and/or comments.

Thanks,

Jason Seymour
Sales Manager
Oneida Air Systems
jason@oneida-air.com

Festoller, nice job!!!

I have been waiting to see how your project would come out, and have been doing some research to see if I should buy the MIDI?, would it work with a DD?, should I build my own?... and voila!  Here comes the DD version.  Jason from Oneida tells me it's about 30-60 days out (maybe sooner), but don't know the price yet... 

At least you were on the cutting edge!  Great execution.

Questions:  what types of hoses did you end up using?  Are they Festool?  How did you line the top of the systainer? 

Have you tried it with a plastic bag inside your wood liner?
If it works OK I would think it would make emptying the sawdust easier and more Festoolian 

I would think that a bag should not sucked   up as there should be no airflow in the collector. If there were the dust itself would not stay there.
I would think that no attachment would be needed just folding the excess over the edges of your wood box liner should be fine.
The reason I ask is because of the collection system shown in the FWW "An Island Workshop"
http://www.finewoodworking.com/Workshop/WorkshopArticle.aspx?id=23974
You will see at about 4 mins Alan DeVilbiss shows his collection method. It is only a plastic bag so it should work.

I haven't built mine yet (I will do so next month) so I can't test it now.

To eliminate the bag being 'sucked up', add a small vacuum line to the container.  Source can be from dust collector itself.  This would create negative pressure between walls and bag and keep it in its place.

Have you had a chance to try out the bag?

I have just found this http://sanaka.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Cycloned-Shop-Vac/10837914_qxJSY#755870512_jWLs9 and he is using a plastic rubbish bag and says

"I really wanted to be able to use a regular trash can with regular trash bags/liners, so I can neatly dispose of the dust and shavings. If you have to dump out the can, you get exposed to everything you collected anyway - a little self-defeating. The piece of Formica sprung inside keeps the liner from floating around or geting sucked up. Although, it seems to work without the Formica too."

the complete systen is here


and it is a WMS  (not WMD) 

Great idea.  I am considering making my own like Festooler or buying one.

On Oneida's website I noticed that their system has a small diameter hose with a valve that connects from the inlet elbow of the Festool vacuum to the side of their box.  It apparently keeps the plastic bag from being sucked up into the cyclone.  When using a plastic bag the small valve is opened.  And when not using a plastic bag the valve is closed.

On Oneida's website there is a photo and explanation of it on page 13 of their Owners Manual:

http://www.oneida-air.com/pdf/Plastic%20Dust%20Deputy%20Combined%20Owners%20Manual.pdf

Hope this helps
Witchetty