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Can the DC attachment for the Fein Multimaster be used with the cutting blades ? If so will it actually collect? Or is it too far from the blade?
Did a search but didn't really find a good answer.
Seth
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 11:18 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2012, 11:44 PM » |
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Seth,
I'll find out first hand, tomorrow and report back. Please stand by.........................................................
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 11:55 PM » |
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The DC attachment for the Fein is a bit of a joke. I've used mine with all types of blades. It helps somewhat but isn't great by any means. I think Fein came up with the thing as an add-on to hop on the DC bandwagon. I only attach mine if the client is around or in cases where as much DC as possible is needed. I wouldn't expect to much from it.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2012, 12:23 AM » |
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You are better off getting someone to hold a vacuum nozzle near the work (dentist style) - or use a black hole powered DC !
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2012, 01:01 AM » |
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It didn't look too promising, at least for the blades. Wonder if it could be mdified with an extension tube to get it closer to the cutting area? Sort of a built in hose holder.
Is it any good for sanding collection? Don't really plan to use it for sanding but you never know.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2012, 02:40 AM » |
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It didn't look too promising, at least for the blades. Wonder if it could be mdified with an extension tube to get it closer to the cutting area? Sort of a built in hose holder.
Is it any good for sanding collection? Don't really plan to use it for sanding but you never know.
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Better for sanding compared to sawing - but still no where near Festool class .. it still leaves a lot of mess. |
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2012, 07:25 AM » |
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Yes, definitely third rate compared to the RO 90 which I just got and am very pleased with. Just sanded the front of an old cafe - light enough to use all day long and practically no dust. I did use the Multimaster a bit for curved sections but didn't bother with the dust extraction , as the others say it's a bit of a joke - even for delta sanding.
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2012, 11:49 AM » |
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Can the DC attachment for the Fein Multimaster be used with the cutting blades ? If so will it actually collect? Or is it too far from the blade?
Did a search but didn't really find a good answer.
Seth
Seth, The DC that comes with the MM only works for sanding. But that doesn't mean you don't have good option for DC when cutting. On the first cut or too I used the vacuum nozzle near the work (dentist style). The problem was that is a two person job.....too much cost! The following method/set up is almost dust free when cutting out sheet rock, for outlets, patches etc. When cutting I never attach the cutting blade straight out (inline) with the handle. I use the blade at 45 degrees off straight with the MM handle. I then take the Festool Crevice tool and place it on bottom side of the MM and so that the angled opening of the crevice tool alines with the angle of the blade. It fits between the the MM and the blade due to the blade offset. The crevice tool is not alined straight with the handle but maybe at 22 degrees but the opening is very close to alining with the cutting edge of the blade angel. I Duct tape the crevice tool to the bottom of the MM.... don't cover the switch  . With this setup I find cutting out sheet rock from a wall dust free. You will find dust in the wall when you are done but that can be vacuumed out when you are done. Now if you cutting sheet rock or any material with the back side of the cut open you will need to collect dust on that side, just like you would do with Festool jig saw. If have a second person handy, I will put in a Y connection to the DC and have them keep the second vacuum nozzle near the work (dentist style) on the far side and have dust free collection. I hope this is clear. I'm not near my MM as it is on site. Cheers, Steve |
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2012, 12:47 AM » |
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I had to pull out my MM last night and have a look at the DC duct that came with it and I must say it's a joke.  The blade end of the duct is not attached to anything and is actually pressed outwards (to gain sealing I guess) against the sanding pad installed and depending on the pad you need to add an plastic extension to the duct or not. Super fiddly with one or two felt O-rings and the loose plastic extension ring... Nothing is screwed together so everything is just a bunch of loose duct bits in the box. Bet you anything those felt O-rings will go MIA on a worksite at lightning speed. The whole thing is held in place with only a flimsy plastic "clamp" at the electric cord end of the tool that clips over the DC duct to the body of the MM (small slots next to the speed dial). No, it will not work with blades since the felt O-ring would go flying if in contact against a blade from one edge only and still the duct would be hoovering the wrong end of the blade anyway. I'm liking my RO90 more and more by the minute!  |
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2012, 12:56 AM » |
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Thanks for the replies confirming that it doesn't work very well.
Steve, that makes sense, and is along the line of what I was thinking "built in hose holder".
Just trying to decide whch 'kit' to buy.
Seth
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2012, 08:00 AM » |
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I had to pull out my MM last night and have a look at the DC duct that came with it and I must say it's a joke. The blade end of the duct is not attached to anything and is actually pressed outwards (to gain sealing I guess) against the sanding pad installed and depending on the pad you need to add an plastic extension to the duct or not. Super fiddly with one or two felt O-rings and the loose plastic extension ring... Nothing is screwed together so everything is just a bunch of loose duct bits in the box. Bet you anything those felt O-rings will go MIA on a worksite at lightning speed. The whole thing is held in place with only a flimsy plastic "clamp" at the electric cord end of the tool that clips over the DC duct to the body of the MM (small slots next to the speed dial). No, it will not work with blades since the felt O-ring would go flying if in contact against a blade from one edge only and still the duct would be hoovering the wrong end of the blade anyway. I'm liking my RO90 more and more by the minute! I disagree with that. I didn't have that happen. Here is a link to a video I did yesterday using the Fein Multimaster with a cutting blade and the Fein dust extraction attachment connected to a Festool CT 26 dust extractor using the 27mm non-anti static hose. Member AWDRIVEN helped me film the video and provided his house for the test/demo. There is a picture of the dust left behind on the floor after cutting.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2012, 09:24 AM » |
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Ok, that circular saw blade is the exception - what I was referring to in my comment was the E-cut blades. |
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Ok, that circular saw blade is the exception - what I was referring to in my comment was the E-cut blades. I knew you'd say that. No I have to go back and cut up more of his walls!  |
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2012, 04:36 PM » |
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Trying to decide which MM lit to buy is a tough one. If you have Festool sanders, the MM sanding disks are just a waist of money. The DC is so so... Maybe the best deal is just the basic set with a few blades, e-blades and circular etc... I have been on the fence for months and have just not put out the money yet???
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2012, 06:01 PM » |
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Trying to decide which MM lit to buy is a tough one. If you have Festool sanders, the MM sanding disks are just a waist of money. The DC is so so... Maybe the best deal is just the basic set with a few blades, e-blades and circular etc... I have been on the fence for months and have just not put out the money yet???
i have the MM and have used it for sanding. dc wasnt great , sandpaper didnt last as long as i hoped. a bit slow. it was better than by hand yes but compare to my ro90 , not even 1 % as good. dc while cutting wasnt even part of their design, there is no dc at all. im am sure it could be cobled together easy enough with a few plumbing fittings and some flex ably pipe. maybe some of that pex pipe with the aluminium inside or very large oil line (copper coated in plastic and bendy). if i was using it regularly in homes i would build some kind of a dc for it. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2012, 06:16 PM » |
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im am sure it could be cobled together easy enough with a few plumbing fittings and some flex ably pipe.
maybe some of that pex pipe with the aluminium inside or very large oil line (copper coated in plastic and bendy).
if i was using it regularly in homes i would build some kind of a dc for it.
Alan, look at reply #8 with a Festool crevice DC is really quite good. Nothing to build just attach. Cheers, Steve |
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2012, 06:18 PM » |
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I have an older MM set in a metal case with lots of bits in it. Wish I just ad the basic one in a systainer. I never sand with it and don't rely on it cleaning up after itself.
Great tool, just not a great "multi" at everything.
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2012, 06:23 PM » |
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im am sure it could be cobled together easy enough with a few plumbing fittings and some flex ably pipe.
maybe some of that pex pipe with the aluminium inside or very large oil line (copper coated in plastic and bendy).
if i was using it regularly in homes i would build some kind of a dc for it.
Alan, look at reply #8 with a Festool crevice DC is really quite good. Nothing to build just attach. Cheers, Steve sorry missed that part. sounds good. i might try that if i need dc |
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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2012, 01:32 AM » |
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Trying to decide which MM lit to buy is a tough one. If you have Festool sanders, the MM sanding disks are just a waist of money. The DC is so so... Maybe the best deal is just the basic set with a few blades, e-blades and circular etc... I have been on the fence for months and have just not put out the money yet???
Anyone try the 14 volt cordless Multimaster yet? They say it has the same power as the corded version. Apparently it also has an option for dust extraction, although it is a different part than the corded version. It only comes in one configuration so that would be an easier decision.  |
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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2012, 10:49 AM » |
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Thanks for the video , Ken. Pretty much looks like there is a bunch of dust blowing out of the cut, especially on the second passes. Doesn't look like the OEM DC is good enough to bother with.
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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2012, 10:58 AM » |
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Thanks for the video , Ken. Pretty much looks like there is a bunch of dust blowing out of the cut, especially on the second passes. Doesn't look like the OEM DC is good enough to bother with.
Seth
I agree. Dave said I should have tried it with the CT 26 off, but it didn't look like it was doing anything on the first pass anyway so I didn't bother. Thinking about it now, I wonder how it would have worked upside down. Might try another video doing that at some point. |
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