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Offline grobkuschelig

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Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« on: January 11, 2018, 03:37 PM »
Hi there,

I want to make use of the currently available Fein Edition 2017 Versions (coming in T-Loc Systainer for Tool + Accessories) to finally get me a Multitool.  [dead horse]

I occasionally had use for one, but avoided the use when possible, due to the fact that mine was a very low-cost version which lacked power and ability.
Now, since I am trying to get my tool collection up and running for anything I might encounter, I want to add a "proper" version. I want it to be cordless, to enable quick use everywhere and have the "quick cut anywhere" tool. Hence the vecturo is out.

I am settled on Fein, for the vibration damping and T-Loc etc.

The only question is, what to get!?

- AFMM 18 QSL -> 18V Multimaster (some basic accessories, 2x 2.5ah batteries)
- AFSC 18 -> 18V Supercut (Additional accessories like 100mm blade & depth stop, 2x 5ah batteries)

Both would be coming in Systainers, both would have a base of blades and sanding pads.
In comparison the Supercut would be roughly 60-70 Euros more expensive (if I calculate the cheapest online pricing for the additional blades/acc & battery capacity).

Do any of you have recommendations on the real-world difference between the two units?

I recon this will last me for the next decade, with my limited use.
Which would you get?  [poke]

Thanks for any input!

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Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 03:41 PM »
I’m interested in getting a Fein kit as well...

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 05:58 PM »
I bought the supercut when it came in a systainer from Tool nut.
Great tool, the only thing to me is, it is hard to find blades locally. USA
Mine is corded . 400 Watts .
I wish I had done it before.
I have had it about 4 years and it is a “game changer “ tool.
Btw I no longer use the systainer because it takes up to much space. I leave a blade in it and wrap the cord. Works for me.
Charlie


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Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 06:13 PM »
I bought the supercut...
I wish I had done it before.
I have had it about 4 years and it is a “game changer “ tool.

Hi Charlie,

Did you have a different Multitool before you got the supercut? Which one?

Which blades do you use?
Any experience with carbide tipped for cutting screws etc?

Offline demographic

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2018, 12:32 PM »
Buiding site use here so I would never buy a milticutter that has a cord, personally I feel Festool totally missed the mark with the Vectro.
I'd likely go for the Supercut as the depth stop will make blades last longer.

Offline grobkuschelig

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2018, 01:59 PM »
@demographic since the Venturo is basically just a re-branded SuperCut from the old days, Festool did not really miss the mark, in my opinion. But as always, they unfortunately are way too slow to actually capture a lot of their market with simple tool maintenances like LEDs on routers etc as well, but this leads us off topic and has been discussed at length in this forum... ;)

The depth stop will also be compatible with the Multimaster. The MM350 Q/QSL also has the two mounting screws...


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Offline grobkuschelig

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2018, 02:39 PM »
In direct comparison of the two cordless ones, these are the technical advantages of the SuperCut:
- Brushless motor
- Slightly shorter housing
- More power: 450W (vs 350 on the MM)
- bigger oscillation angle: 2x 2.0 degrees (vs 2x 1.7 on the MM)
- Less weight: 200 grams (when both have the same battery)
- wider range of “rpm” 10-19.5k (vs 11 - 18.5k on the MM)
- more accessories (prof dust collection, more blades, star lock max etc)

One thing I also like about the SuperCut is, that the speed dial is located to the left (top view) not on top of the tool. Seems like a better place to avoid accidental changes.

So, it looks a lot, like I might be more and more willing to put the money into it...

Any more inputs from you guys? :)


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Offline demographic

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2018, 03:56 PM »
@demographic since the Venturo is basically just a re-branded SuperCut from the old days, Festool did not really miss the mark, in my opinion. But as always, they unfortunately are way too slow to actually capture a lot of their market with simple tool maintenances like LEDs on routers etc as well, but this leads us off topic and has been discussed at length in this forum... ;)

The depth stop will also be compatible with the Multimaster. The MM350 Q/QSL also has the two mounting screws...


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As far as I'm aware Feins new Supercut is cordless and Festoool is corded.
As far as my needs go that makes Festools version a bit of a fail.
Other peoples needs may well be different.

Offline rst

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2018, 05:05 PM »
I've used the regular Multimaster for years.  I bought a Supercut when Toolnut sold them in a systainer for crazy price, and it came with an adapter that allowed me to use the regular blades.  Toolnut did the same thing with the 18V Supercut so I had to buy it as I had also been suckered into the 18v Fein drill...Toolnut is incredibly tough on my bank account.  I still use all three, the two corded models reside in two separate shops and the cordless lives in my van.  I also bought the Festool Vecturo attachments as they fit the Feins perfectly.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 05:16 PM »
@demographic

I don’t disagree, but the Festool one is ancient (2014 or earlier), that’s why I thought the comparison lacks equality.

And this is obviously the reason I am looking at the Feins!


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Offline grobkuschelig

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2018, 05:19 PM »
Hi @rst,

Can you please elaborate on the “performance differences” between the different Versions?
Which Multimaster do you have? 350W?
How would you describe the difference to the SuperCut?
..especially for the cordless Versions..

Thx!


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Offline rst

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2018, 05:38 PM »
My original Multimaster is at least nine years old and I worked it hard and had all available attachments.  The two Supercuts are not the current version with the new blade attaching mechanism.  I really find no difference in performance.  I have cut steel, aluminum, wood and plastics with both.  The cordless one lives in my van is the bomb if working up on a ladder.  I also have the dust extractor attachment that picks up 90% of dust when I am cutting drywall.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2018, 08:23 AM »
 [eek]

I have taken the plunge.  [thumbs up]

I made my girlfriend listen to the pros and cons, and the darling she is, the reply I got was: "You know, you are going to regret going with the less powerful, down the line..." She knows me well and is the best!  [not worthy]

What made me go for it was in main parts the thoughts that the brushless motor will be nicer, and that I will value the 200 grams less weight when handling the tool.
I will surely get a small 2.5amp 18V battery sometime soon to make it light and nice.

Can't wait for the orange systainers to arrive!
I'll keep you updated on my impressions...


Does anyone have recommendations from the vast field of accessories?
What does work best?
What are the "surprising" tools you did stumble upon?

Offline pettyconstruction

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Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2018, 10:23 AM »
I bought the supercut...
I wish I had done it before.
I have had it about 4 years and it is a “game changer “ tool.

Hi Charlie,

Did you have a different Multitool before you got the supercut? Which one?

Which blades do you use?
Any experience with carbide tipped for cutting screws etc?
I didn’t own one,but had used a Makita and a Milwaukee and wasn’t very impressed .
The multi master is great also.
I use the MM blades with a adaptor ,or blades from Bosch .
Screws are real hard on any blade,but the carbide ones will cut them,the cut nails a lot easier . You will only get about 5-10 cuts though before the blade gives up.
Good call on the cordless one,I see one in my future as well.
Charlie   


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Offline rst

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2018, 05:47 PM »
Just a side note on the oscillating tools, I have three Feins but also have a Milwaukee 12v whose sole purpose in life is to cut off the polycarbonate shims I use.   Small and light enough to slide into a toolbelt, great working off an eight foot laddder.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2018, 04:00 AM »
After I saw this Russian review from Sergey Shevelyov, where he shows the SuperCut AFSC 18 QSL running off of 18V, 14V and 12V Fein Batteries, I thought that will be my option for a “light” 12V tool, if I need one.
I will check out the Batteries to compare how much weight saving is possible between the 2.5amp 18V and a 12V...


Offline grobkuschelig

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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2018, 09:43 AM »
A quick Amazon study reveals following (untested) weights:
- 18V 5ah: 770g
- 18V 2.5ah: 500g
- 12V 2.5ah: 280g

On the Fein website, the SuperCut toolweight is given with following weights:
- 18V 5ah: 1.8 kg
- 18V 2.5ah: 1.6 kg

This looks to be roughly corresponding to the Amazon info and it would lead to:
- 12V 2.5ah: 1.4 kg

The Multitalent (12V Fein) is stated as 1.4kg for the old version and 1.5kg for the new.

The Milwaukee 12V mentioned by @rst is an astonishing 0.95kg (the 0.75kg/1.67lbs from their website seems to be without battery).


Offline demographic

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2018, 10:18 AM »
Now I've never measured this but I suspect that the lighter batteries on them isn't always a good thing.
I'm guessing that heavier equals less vibration but it is just a guess.

Thats my justification for using my Hitachi brushless multitool with 5 Ah batteries all the time anyway.
I just don't own smaller batteries and I'll not be buying them as I often work a fair distance away from charging points.

Offline pettyconstruction

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2018, 12:00 PM »
Now I've never measured this but I suspect that the lighter batteries on them isn't always a good thing.
I'm guessing that heavier equals less vibration but it is just a guess.

Thats my justification for using my Hitachi brushless multitool with 5 Ah batteries all the time anyway.
I just don't own smaller batteries and I'll not be buying them as I often work a fair distance away from charging points.
I agree with the battery comment, the last thing I want is it to run out mid cut because a smaller battery.
As in my earlier post,I have a corded supercut that I love, but I’m looking hard at the cordless Fein .
Charlie


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Offline grobkuschelig

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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2018, 12:26 PM »
That was a big point, why I went for the cordless SuperCut over the Multimaster, to have the 5ah Batteries.

I‘ve done the same with the Carvex Jigsaw.

But for both Tools I like to have a small battery, as an option for the times where I know I don’t need the grunt and power, but want a light weight tool for a quick cut. :)

Offline TXFIVEO

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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2018, 02:12 PM »
From my research the Bosch oscillating tool seems to always come out on top...think I may be switching my purchase to Bosch...don’t have any Bosch tools but think this may be my first...

Offline grobkuschelig

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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2018, 03:35 PM »
From my research the Bosch oscillating tool seems to always come out on top...

When you get it, let me know what you think!

...I might have been blinded by the Orange Systainers, at least a little. ;)
Since everything else in my tool stack is organized that way, I am somehow reluctant to think about things in L-Boxes.  [scratch chin]

Offline Womble

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2018, 07:41 AM »
I got a 110v FEIN Multi Talent the lil baby one & it has done everything i thrown at it over the last few years.

Whenever my mates use it who got Bosch, Makita, Dewalt etc they all say the FEIN is much much smoother, quieter & nicer to use & doesn't sound like its going to rattle itself to bits like the other main brands. But as FEIN invented this type of tool its hardly surprising. I will say two of my mates have had Bosch ones though and the blade holding mechanism worn out & fell apart & they was not impressed.

I am looking to upgrade mine to a cordless version later this year & wont be looking at anything other than the FEIN versions, also you never hear any issues about the FEIN batteries either unlike the main brands. I appreciate all brands have their fan boys & favourites but with this particular type of tool i don't think you will find anything better than a FEIN.

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Re: Fein Multitool - Which to get? Looking for experiences...
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2018, 08:52 AM »
From my research the Bosch oscillating tool seems to always come out on top...think I may be switching my purchase to Bosch...don’t have any Bosch tools but think this may be my first...

Do you have a Fein now and if so, which model?

Offline TXFIVEO

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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2018, 05:19 PM »
I have the Dewalt cordless and it works really well...great feel, like your holding a drill.  It has never failed me yet.  Looking for a backup because I have been using mine quite regularly lately with my recent reclaimed barn wood projects. 


From my research the Bosch oscillating tool seems to always come out on top...think I may be switching my purchase to Bosch...don’t have any Bosch tools but think this may be my first...

Do you have a Fein now and if so, which model?

Offline grobkuschelig

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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2018, 06:13 PM »
The Fein has landed! [emoji41]



I have not had the chance to cut anything today, but it feels good in hand, hefty, but nice and comfortable.
My researched weight study seems to check out.

Soft start is nice, blades etc. fit easily and the quick release is a huge plus compared to the previous multitools I handled.

If anyone has questions, shoot.