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Offline Llama

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Felder AD941
« on: August 01, 2017, 11:41 PM »
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, a guy ordered a Felder AD941. So many things have happened since then! Anyway, I've waited for the day my machine to arrive. And today is that day!

Fresh off the truck!!! I almost had a heart attack when the pallet moved a little...

 

I had to talk the delivery guy into helping me move this thing to the inside of my shop. He was a good guy, so he helped. I called a few people, and got help unloading this thing from the pallet. Just walked it off the pallet... nothing fancy.



Should be wired up tomorrow night. I will be making a video review on my channel, and leave a link here for those interested.

If you have any questions about it, or how I arrived at the decision to buy this machine let me know.

Thanks,
Mel


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Offline live4ever

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2017, 01:53 AM »
Well, let me be the first to say congratulations.  What a fine looking machine that is!

I'd love to hear about your decision process, and especially what led you to this machine over the A3-41.  Did you go with the spiral head?

I'm going to be shrinking the shop space unfortunately and will need to go combo in the near future. 
"What you have to do tomorrow, do today.  What you have to do today, do now."  - a wise grandfather who was clearly talking about purchasing Festools

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 09:35 AM »
On a scale of meh to insanely jealous, I'm pretty close to insanely jealous.

Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 09:50 AM »
Well, let me be the first to say congratulations.  What a fine looking machine that is!

I'd love to hear about your decision process, and especially what led you to this machine over the A3-41.  Did you go with the spiral head?

I'm going to be shrinking the shop space unfortunately and will need to go combo in the near future.

I hope this helps...

Here was my my thought process:

I was going to buy the A3-41 that my friend Matt K was kind enough to review for us. Then I got to thinking about the bed length and the pirate ship hand wheel.

Then I learned about the electronic mechanism to raise and lower the planer beds with digital readout. I needed this... I plan on having this machine for hopefully the rest of my life, and the thought of that pirate wheel really turned me off.

So, that brought me up to the Felder AD741 because Hammer does not (yet) offer that feature on their line. So I was set on the AD741.

Then something great happened... The almighty AD941 went on sale.  [eek]

So, in the end I bought the AD941 with spiral head due to the increased bed length (nearly 8') and upgraded planer mechanism. (not only the electronic mechanism, but the AD941 has a better design which is much more robust than the AD741.) The AD941 also included a little maintenance kit, the Euro comfort guard, and shipping assistance. (credit towards shipping). I ended up with the AD941 for less money than the AD741 would have cost me. Plus the extras were icing on the cake.

The Hammer units are certainly geared toward the hobby guys looking for a really nice machine. The Felder equipment is what you'd see in a pro shop. Meant to really take a beating over the years. Truly a no compromise machine. All of this comes at a price.

Then we can get into why I chose to buy a combo unit if you want :)

Offline RobBob

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 10:12 AM »
Very nice machine.  Congratulations!

I purchased a Hammer A3 31 with spiral head combo machine October 2015 and have been very happy with it. Of course, the AD941 with that electric lift would have been fantastic.

 Just recently talked to Felder about the Hammer N4400 bandsaw.  Started asking questions and discovered that the Felder FB510 bandsaw was only about $600 more than the N4400.  (Sale prices)

So, like you, I could not resist and now have a Felder FB510 on the way.  Should be delivered early October.  October was my choice.  Needed some time to save some funds.   ;D

BTW, my understanding is that the Hammer line is considered hobby level, Felder 5 series is pro level and Felder 9 series is industrial.  These terms are not official and just something I picked from forums and Youtube videos.  Then, they also offer the high end Format 4 line.  So, YMMV.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2017, 10:25 AM by RobBob »

Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 10:29 AM »
The way the rep told me was anything under 16" just get he Hammer... and most people make the jump to the Felder because of the power drive lift.

She did say the Hammer was hobbyist, Felder is more pro/industrial and the Format line was really the Felder with all the upgrades as standard.. think heavy duty industrial. Whatever that means.

There are differences throughout the lines. The 941 has a more robust planer table configuration. Not to say the 741 isn't good, just the 941 is more robust. The 941 also has an almost 8' jointer bed.

Offline live4ever

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 01:40 PM »
Thanks Mel, your reasoning is helpful and I could see myself traipsing down the same path.  Now, I'm just a professional hobbyist, and even the Hammer would be plenty good enough for me considering most of my stationary is currently Grizz.  Would I want the power lift mechanism and the additional build quality improvements of the Felder?  Heck yeah.  But I also would be cognizant that the price difference between the Hammer and AD9 might buy me that bandsaw upgrade I've also been lusting after.  Granted, I don't really know realistic [sale] prices at the moment because I've not begun chatting up the reps...but I know my jaw will still hit the floor.

Decisions, decisions.  Still gonna be a way off for me, but at this point I do know I'll want 16".  Have to convince el capitan (la capitana?) that I'm really suffering in the downsized digs first though.  [big grin]

Looking forward to your video review.
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Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 01:51 PM »
What is the "sale" price for an ad941 w/spiral if you don't mind me asking. PM if you don't want to share openly.

Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2017, 01:52 PM »
I paid $11,138 delivered for my machine.

Offline live4ever

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2017, 01:57 PM »
Okee, Hammer for me. 
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Online RKA

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2017, 03:45 PM »
Okee, Hammer for me.

LOL!!  I expected 5 figures, but the low end of 5 isn't bad at all.  But your response sent coffee up my nose...ick! 

@Llama
Congrats on the new machine!  Please do share your video once you get it up an running.  It costs us nothing to watch a video...only IF we act upon that.   [smile]
-Raj

Offline live4ever

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2017, 05:48 PM »
Okee, Hammer for me.

LOL!!  I expected 5 figures, but the low end of 5 isn't bad at all.  But your response sent coffee up my nose...ick! 

@Llama
Congrats on the new machine!  Please do share your video once you get it up an running.  It costs us nothing to watch a video...only IF we act upon that.   [smile]

It's going to cost me a Euro bandsaw, lol!  Take yer time on that video Mel.  [tongue]
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Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2017, 06:47 PM »
I should have my power done tonight... Video will be up soon, maybe tomorrow!  [big grin]


Offline egmiii

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2017, 09:49 PM »
Congrats dude!

My AD941 showed up yesterday as well, so I'm sharing the same high right now. Unfortunately my low is coming when I have to move it into my basement shop. That is NOT going to be fun!

Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2017, 10:45 PM »
Congrats dude!

My AD941 showed up yesterday as well, so I'm sharing the same high right now. Unfortunately my low is coming when I have to move it into my basement shop. That is NOT going to be fun!

How about no?  [eek]

I was sweating when we moved it off the pallet! Went well, no incidents.. but wow.. into a basement? ugh

I'd love to see some pics! Post them here if you want! :) 

Offline egmiii

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2017, 10:58 PM »
AD941 is in the pallet on the left. Couple other items came in as well... [big grin]


Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2017, 11:11 PM »
Interesting! Your pallets are different.

Also ... wow!! Nice equipment!!!


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Offline egmiii

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2017, 11:28 PM »
I visited the Delaware showroom a couple times. Everything comes in from Austria on just the base pallet wrapped in a yellowish plastic. I'm a one day trip via freight, so they just built a frame and wrapped it in plastic. That way fork lift guys can see what is inside and balance the load properly. Yours might have taken a longer journey and required a bit more protection. I'm shocked they didn't have you pick it up at the terminal, opting for liftgate delivery instead. I had a 700 pound smoker delivered via liftgate. Swore I'd never do that again after 3 of us saved it from crashing down.

Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2017, 11:39 PM »
I was very nervous and actually argued with the delivery guy. :)

Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Got the fence installed... fairly straight forward process. Very short video showing the blade guards.


Offline RobBob

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2017, 08:41 PM »
Boy, I like that hinged extension on the back of the fence and on the Euro guard.  I could sure use those on my A3 31.  Wonder If I can make or adapt something?

Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2017, 11:16 PM »
Boy, I like that hinged extension on the back of the fence and on the Euro guard.  I could sure use those on my A3 31.  Wonder If I can make or adapt something?

That's why I made the short video... I didn't know it did that on the back! The Hammer has a flimsy sheet metal that gets in the way... I almost didn't put it on because I didn't realize how clever this one was.

The comfort Euro guard in the front is flat out amazing. I got power run to the machine tonight, and was able to run some 12" wide cherry boards through it... Flawless! I could not be more impressed with this machine.


Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2017, 05:10 AM »
I made this rough live video the other day. Didn't have DC hooked up because I was missing an adapter. I now have it! I'll be making a proper video soon. It's a long video, and there is some banter with some of my friends in the chat :) Rough live video! Only the first 20 minutes or so are the action, the rest is just more banter with a few questions in between.

https://youtu.be/v9uSvOiSnC4?t=124

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2017, 09:28 AM »
I was racking my brain about an adaptation of a Hammer A3 I have seen, where the guy automated a lot of the things that keep the A3 in the semi-pro range & I found it at last. It's in French, but the images speak for themselves:

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Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2017, 11:14 AM »
It's a neat idea, but it really doesn't elevate the base machine to a higher level. More convenient than the hand wheel. :)



Offline RobBob

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2017, 12:36 PM »
I was racking my brain about an adaptation of a Hammer A3 I have seen, where the guy automated a lot of the things that keep the A3 in the semi-pro range & I found it at last. It's in French, but the images speak for themselves:


Looks like you could take the handwheel off and use a cordless drill to power the stock drive shaft.  A Wixley digital setup would provide the precision.

Actually, the manual handwheel does not seem much slower than the AD941.

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« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 12:53 PM by RobBob »

Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2017, 12:52 PM »

Actually, the manual handwheel does not seem much slower than the AD941.


It's really not a huge difference in time from what I've seen in other videos.

Offline RobBob

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2017, 12:57 PM »

Actually, the manual handwheel does not seem much slower than the AD941.


It's really not a huge difference in time from what I've seen in other videos.

Except, the handwheel is too low for those of us with arthritic knees and hips.  [emoji20]
A cheap hydraulic stool on wheels from Harbor Freight helps though.

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« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 01:30 PM by RobBob »

Offline RussellS

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2017, 02:54 PM »
Boy, I like that hinged extension on the back of the fence and on the Euro guard.  I could sure use those on my A3 31.  Wonder If I can make or adapt something?

That's why I made the short video... I didn't know it did that on the back! The Hammer has a flimsy sheet metal that gets in the way... I almost didn't put it on because I didn't realize how clever this one was.

The problem with the hinged rear cover is it does not provide any benefit.  Yes it looks good.  But if you watch the video you see it does not bend at the hinge and drop down until the fence is pushed completely back.  So the entire cover is sticking out the back before it bends and drops down.  If it had 2 or 3 hinges in it, then shorter sections could fall down as the fence is pushed back.  And save you room behind the machine.  With just the one hinge, NO space is saved behind the machine at all.  You have to take up ALL of the space with the cover, BEFORE the hinge activates and the cover drops.

Offline Llama

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Re: Felder AD941
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2017, 03:02 PM »

The problem with the hinged rear cover is it does not provide any benefit.  Yes it looks good.  But if you watch the video you see it does not bend at the hinge and drop down until the fence is pushed completely back.  So the entire cover is sticking out the back before it bends and drops down.  If it had 2 or 3 hinges in it, then shorter sections could fall down as the fence is pushed back.  And save you room behind the machine.  With just the one hinge, NO space is saved behind the machine at all.  You have to take up ALL of the space with the cover, BEFORE the hinge activates and the cover drops.

That is the benefit of the hinged guard. When your fence is completely back it does not hit anything. And when putting the jointer table up it will not hit anything causing it to break. There are actually three hinges on the guard, perhaps I did a bad job of capturing that.

Most of the time, the fence is all the way back anyway, so the guard is in the "down position" where as on other designs that is not the case. Is there room for improvement, sure.. always is.