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Offline Untidy Shop

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Hustler or Ferris
« on: June 06, 2013, 03:36 AM »
Whilst we have had little rain since November last year, there is now some movement from brown/yellow to green grass.
My trusty Australian Greenfield ride-on mower of 11 years is on its last legs.

Those of you who have approx 5 acres to mow and have a John Dere, Ferris or Hustler Zero Turn Mower; what have been your experiences, and with which model?

These are the main US built zero turn mowers imported to Australia.

Sadly there are no grey mowers with green controls!!
« Last Edit: June 06, 2013, 03:38 AM by Stephen B »
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 01:15 PM »
I have a JD 757 and mow about three acres. We've had it for about a year and a half absolutely no complaints.  I have a cousin who was a small engine mechanic at the local JD dealership. He said to watch the top end on the 700 series and be sure to have them adjusted about every two years (home owner use) and steer clear of the 900's as they have had lots of problems with the engines on those units. Hope this helps.

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2013, 02:53 PM »
I've heard a lot of good things about the Hustler line. Being that you are on Australia, I think you'd want to make sure the brand had a good service and parts infrastructure in place there. Even a great product needs parts and service occasionally.

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 12:18 AM »
Is Grasshopper available in Australia?


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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 01:28 AM »
Is Grasshopper available in Australia?


Seth

They're about, but I don't think they're common (you're talking the 700 I assume?)

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 01:48 AM »
Whilst we have had little rain since November last year, there is now some movement from brown/yellow to green grass.
My trusty Australian Greenfield ride-on mower of 11 years is on its last legs.

Those of you who have approx 5 acres to mow and have a John Dere, Ferris or Hustler Zero Turn Mower; what have been your experiences, and with which model?

These are the main US built zero turn mowers imported to Australia.

Sadly there are no grey mowers with green controls!!

Have you looked at the Cox?

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2013, 02:11 AM »
Is Grasshopper available in Australia?


Seth

They're about, but I don't think they're common (you're talking the 700 I assume?)

Thanks Seth and Kev, Tim and AWDriven

Grasshopper do not have, to my knowledge, the number of distributors that Hustler, Ferris and JD have;certainly in my area.
I have one Ferris, 2 Hustler, and one JD within 50 mins.

Re Cox, like the Greenfield a great Australian ride on. However their deck sizes of around 34" do not compare with the 48 and 54 inch decks of the zero turns I am considering. (Nth American readers will no doubt note that we often refer to mower deck sizes in inches in a metric country!!. 'Imperial ism' at work via your manufacturers.)

I am also looking at larger decks because I need to reduce my mowing hours following removal of a stage 2b Melanoma last November.

« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 08:03 AM by Stephen B »
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 02:32 AM »
Is Grasshopper available in Australia?


Seth

They're about, but I don't think they're common (you're talking the 700 I assume?)

Thanks Seth and Kev, Tim and AWDriven

Grasshopper do not have, to my knowledge, the number of distributors that Hustler, Ferris and JD have;certainly in my area.

I have one Ferris, 2 Hustler, and one JD within 50 mins. Re Cox, like the Greenfield a great Australian ride on. However their deck sizes of around 34" do not compare with the 48 and 54 inch decks of the zero turns I am considering. (Nth American readers will no doubt note that we often refer to mower deck sizes in inches in a metric country!!. 'Imperial ism' at work via your manufacturers.)

I am also looking at larger decks because I need to reduce my mowing hours following removal of a stage 2b Melanoma last November.



I'd be looking at lights on the mower and cutting at night (or at least out of the big sun).

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2013, 07:58 AM »


"I'd be looking at lights on the mower and cutting at night (or at least out of the big sun)."


Thanks Kev,

Have you ever seen Lawrence of Arabia on a mower!

« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 08:00 AM by Stephen B »
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2013, 08:05 AM »
I've heard a lot of good things about the Hustler line. Being that you are on Australia, I think you'd want to make sure the brand had a good service and parts infrastructure in place there. Even a great product needs parts and service occasionally.

A BIG, Great Big Ditto on that.
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 08:23 AM »
As far as the three choices you have asked about, the Hustler has probably best specs for heavy duty work.  It is definitely a commercial machine.  The John Deere, around Connecticut, just a short swim from your field, [poke] has the largest distributorship.  The Ferris has some interesting features such as a deck that will follow an undulating slope better than the other machines.  I don't see them very much and i have not looked them over as closely as the JD and the Hustler.  The JD's cover a wider range of quality from homeowner to heavy commercial (not as heavy as the Hustler tho) My feeling on the JD mowers is that over the past several years, they have been aiming at the homeowners market.  Their heavy equipment is still among the very best, but I'm not so sure their mowers are as strong as they need to be for heavy commercial work.  you know what your needs are.  Perhaps you don't need the very strongest mower out there. 

Do you cut your field on a regular basis while still short?  Or do you wait until you can't see over the top of the grass?  Is the grass you are cutting real coarse?  Or is it a fine or thin grass.  These answers might also influence your direction of purchase.  But in the long run, the most important factor to consider is still SERVICE. 
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 11:09 AM »
Is Grasshopper available in Australia?


Seth

They're about, but I don't think they're common (you're talking the 700 I assume?)

Thanks Seth and Kev, Tim and AWDriven

Grasshopper do not have, to my knowledge, the number of distributors that Hustler, Ferris and JD have;certainly in my area.
I have one Ferris, 2 Hustler, and one JD within 50 mins.

Re Cox, like the Greenfield a great Australian ride on. However their deck sizes of around 34" do not compare with the 48 and 54 inch decks of the zero turns I am considering. (Nth American readers will no doubt note that we often refer to mower deck sizes in inches in a metric country!!. 'Imperial ism' at work via your manufacturers.)

I am also looking at larger decks because I need to reduce my mowing hours following removal of a stage 2b Melanoma last November.




Kev,   Yes the 700 or 900 series front mount zero turn, with liquid cooled engines.

Stephen,  If you're looking to reduce mowing time , why not 60" or 72" decks?    Narrow spots ?  Transport?



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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2013, 02:28 PM »
Once you start going to decks wider than 48 or 54 inch, you want to think great horse power. Also bigger wheels.
I have had several Z-Turn mowers.  The ones with smaller tires tend to do less scruffing of Zero turns. 
for field mowing, the sod roots are generally deeper and less subject to such tire damage.

Seth's thought to get water cooled is a good one.  My first three or four Z's were air cooled and had tendency to over heat under dusty conditions. With the water cooled, be sure to keep the radiator clean every day.  My mowers have a screen over the radiator that can be removed and the dust tapped out.  I do that daily.

The first two Z's were all belt and chain drives.  You can be glad they don't make those any more in any brand (I don't think so anyhow)
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2013, 03:54 PM »
Once you start going to decks wider than 48 or 54 inch, you want to think great horse power. Also bigger wheels.
I have had several Z-Turn mowers.  The ones with smaller tires tend to do less scruffing of Zero turns. 
for field mowing, the sod roots are generally deeper and less subject to such tire damage.

Seth's thought to get water cooled is a good one.  My first three or four Z's were air cooled and had tendency to over heat under dusty conditions. With the water cooled, be sure to keep the radiator clean every day.  My mowers have a screen over the radiator that can be removed and the dust tapped out.  I do that daily.

The first two Z's were all belt and chain drives.  You can be glad they don't make those any more in any brand (I don't think so anyhow)
Tinker

 Yeah, first one I had used a  hydro motor/pump to power a chain drive system. It wasn't too bad but having the hydros (one for each wheel) directly driving is just awesome !!!  Yup, nothing like HP and torque that holds.  Mine is 61" deck , 25 HP (gas) , 3 cyl. liquid cooled Kubota engine.  It'll knock 2" - 3"  off damp medium weight grass at about a 7-8 mph mowing speed without a hick up. if the grass is lighter 9- 10mph , heavier 6 - 7. Those are what I would call get it cut speeds. But with a clean deck and sharp blades the cut still comes out quite nice even at those speeds. Travel speed is 10.5 .  I have even cut a few grown up areas of two foot grass, albeit at slow speed but it processes it just fine.

     When I was buying the mower they let me test out a 72" deck also. No problem powering it but that knocked about 1 or 2 mph off the speed. So it would have been a trade off in width for speed.  I would have wanted more like 28 - 32 HP for the 72" unless I was only cutting light grass.

Just a note on the style of the machine ie; Mid or front mount. I have used both and even though the mid mounts are shorter in overall length I found that the front mount actually got around better especially when dealing with trees and obstacles.  The mid mounts are certainly the most popular , at least in my area, though for some reason.

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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 04:39 PM »
Mine is 61" w/29hp water cooled.  I have a couple of fields i mow regularly about once pr month.  with all of the rain we have been having this spring, i mowed both last week a week late and one of them was 2.5 feet tall in one area.  I go thru the field going arod and around and at mowing height of 5-1/2".  any higher and it leaves a lot of bent flat grass.  At 5-1/2" it comes out rough.  I then go over the entire field a gain going back and forth as I would a fine lawn.  That trip I mow at 4-1/2" and it comes out smooth and not too bad for clippings.  Some of the worst spots i might hit a third time this time of year.  The mower moves along pretty fast.  fast enough that i do bounce around quite a lot.

I had one front mount with 54" deck, but it is almost impossible to mow across a hillside.  it is a lot better than the mid mounts for trimming around beds and trees.  I will say, either type is a bit dangerous in some situations on hillsides.  The mid mounts are dangerous going down a hill frontwards.  If they start to slide, forget it.  They won't stop.  The front mounts handle going down a hill frontwards, but if the hill is steep, they only way to get back up is to back up.  If it turns around on you, you might as well get off and take a walk.  Go get the camera and take a pic of the disaster.

A few years ago, i had just taken my vac pac off of my Skag mid mount.  i had not taken the extra weight off of the front that was there to keep stability to the mower on hillsides with the weight of full buckets on the back.  I was mowing across a terraced section. At the end, there was a turn down the hill alonside of a stone wall.  i had made that turn hundreds of times.  A piece of cake?

As I made the turn, the mower started to slide towards the stone wall.  there was a car beside the wall.  the wall was slightly higher than the front of the car.  As I started to slide, i yanked back on the levers to go into reverse.  i actually left two very clear tracks as I continued to slide towards the edge of the wall.  i finally ralized I was not going to stop so i tried guiding parallel to the top of the wall.

A couple of minutes laer, i was knocking on the door of the owner's house and asking, "Is the owner of the grey Honda inside?"

The owner was summoned.  As he approached me, still inside of the house, he asked, "Can i help you?"

I'm not sure.  Do you own that Honda out by the wall.

Well yes.

Well, I thought you might like to know that somebody just parked a lawnmower on top of it.

Are you kidding me?

No.  why don't you come out and look.  That car looks like a real handy spot for parking lawnmowers.

I was fortunate the guy had a sense of humor.  He actually laughed when I told him I had insurance.
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Another time, i was loading a mid mount on my truck.  The ramps were a little steeper than they had been the year before.  i had just put a new dump body on the chassis that was four inches higher than before.  I had no problem backing off the truck, but when i went to reload, the mower tipped up and the first thing I knew, I was looking at a 550 lb mower coming straigtht at me with me flat on my back.  The adrenaline kicked in and i managed to get my feet and hands into the air.  I actually tossed that mower about three feet off to the side.  When I got to my feet, I could not move the machine.  I had to go to another job and bring a couple of my other crew to help me get the mower back on its wheels.  I, nor the mower, were any the worse for wear.  I never again have loaded a rider by driving frontwards up a ramp.  In fact, i have, since that episode, loaded my riders only onto my trailer.
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2013, 06:42 PM »
Thanks Again Seth.

You guessed correctly, the larger machines will not fit through some tree groves I have. Another factor is cost. The 48 and 54 inch Hustler and Ferris Models are between 9 and 14 thousand Australian dollars. Over 64 inch, or water cooled diesel we jump over $20,000. I could by a Toyota Corolla with that.

Re power, the Ferris 48 inch has suspension which would be nice but only 18hp, compared to Hustler fast track super duty with about 24hp. Both are hydro drive.

You have reminded me that there is a Kubota dealer 30 mins away so will have a look.

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The main environmental hazards I have are red belly black and copperhead snakes in late spring when they are emerging from their winter sleep and looking for mates. The old Greenfield has run over five in past eleven years, not a proud record but never deliberately as I like snakes. And they are a protected species.  On several occasions I have seen the snake in time, stopped mowing and admired them as they slide away. Usually when you hit them you do not know they are there, the vibration of the blades makes them raise their head. You do not know about it until you come around on the next circuit. However the last one I backed over and the whole body, in pieces, came out the shoot. Made me think it must have been raised to strike! Both these snakes are highly venomous, the copperhead one of the deadliest in the world. But fortunately they are timid, and most people who are bitten have asked for it through their own stupidity.


« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 06:53 PM by Stephen B »
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2013, 10:34 PM »
Thanks Again Seth.

You guessed correctly, the larger machines will not fit through some tree groves I have. Another factor is cost. The 48 and 54 inch Hustler and Ferris Models are between 9 and 14 thousand Australian dollars. Over 64 inch, or water cooled diesel we jump over $20,000. I could by a Toyota Corolla with that.

Re power, the Ferris 48 inch has suspension which would be nice but only 18hp, compared to Hustler fast track super duty with about 24hp. Both are hydro drive.

You have reminded me that there is a Kubota dealer 30 mins away so will have a look.

Tickler

Some enjoyable tales, made me laugh  too.
The main environmental hazards I have are red belly black and copperhead snakes in late spring when they are emerging from their winter sleep and looking for mates. The old Greenfield has run over five in past eleven years, not a proud record but never deliberately as I like snakes. And they are a protected species.  On several occasions I have seen the snake in time, stopped mowing and admired them as they slide away. Usually when you hit them you do not know they are there, the vibration of the blades makes them raise their head. You do not know about it until you come around on the next circuit. However the last one I backed over and the whole body, in pieces, came out the shoot. Made me think it must have been raised to strike! Both these snakes are highly venomous, the copperhead one of the deadliest in the world. But fortunately they are timid, and most people who are bitten have asked for it through their own stupidity.




  I don't know much about them but my dealer who is trust worthy and a Ferris dealer mentioned something that was not so great about the Ferris suspension. It was several years ago and I don't remember what it was. It may have been changed by now too. In any case that might be something to look into before you buy just to be on the safe side.


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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2013, 05:48 AM »
 >>> I don't know much about them but my dealer who is trust worthy and a Ferris dealer mentioned something that was not so great about the Ferris suspension. It was several years ago and I don't remember what it was. It may have been changed by now too. In any case that might be something to look into before you buy just to be on the safe side.<<<

I don't know for sure what the problem is.  I think there are justtoo many moving parts.  On undulating ground, the deck can lean one way whle the wheels are still leaning the other.  That is supposed to eliminated roughness of mowing height and a more even looking job when finished.  I am sure the pivot, probably a strong bolt, is subject to excess wear and possibly breakage.  I rread the adds, but that thought just steared me away from the mower.  Besides, i like the bouncing of my solid framed Skag.  It keeps me awake. ::)

Plus, i had it in for the local dealer.  He tried to rip off my 14 year old son on a deal.  Son was suspicious and asked me.  I agreed and we never went back.  Within a couple of years, that biz was gone. That was the only ferris dealer I knew of locally.
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2013, 02:23 PM »
If you want to really reduce your mowing time I have a suggestion. I have a John Deere Wide Area Turbo 1600 that has three hydraulic  run mower decks and covers just under 11 feet in one pass. It does a great job and I mow about 12 acres with it in just over 2 hours on a weekly basis from April thru October. The unit is 6 years old and I have had no problems.

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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2013, 09:00 AM »
If you want to really reduce your mowing time I have a suggestion. I have a John Deere Wide Area Turbo 1600 that has three hydraulic  run mower decks and covers just under 11 feet in one pass. It does a great job and I mow about 12 acres with it in just over 2 hours on a weekly basis from April thru October. The unit is 6 years old and I have had no problems.
  You may have a problem with that suggestion WoodSam, as the OP has said he has some tree groves that need a slimmer machine to sneak through, so he can't go too big with his mower choice.  [unsure]
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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2013, 11:55 AM »
I don't know about the JD with the wings, but the Toro has wings that can be lifted independently.  I think the hustler used to have a mower with wings as well.  The center deck can be configured to a narrower deck as 48" and the wings are smaller.  The center deck can be the only deck mowing while the other two are both riased. Or only one wing deck might be raised.  I have seen some Toros with center deck and only one wing deck.  The Toro we have for the town has several wing decks and the center is three small decks in V-alignment.  All of the decks are narrow, I think 30" per deck.  With so many small decks, a really nice cut is the result.  Those machines also can tilt the decks vertically exposing all of the blades for removal to sharpen. A nice and labor saving feature.

Right now, i don't know anybody else making the multi wing mowers other than Toro, but I'm sure they are out there (John Deere as stated above).
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2013, 07:10 PM »
Thanks again guys.

Have not mentioned Toro in my considerations as they have a terrible reputation in this area. I know of two ride ons that have caught fire from overheating in summer, and the decks on their zero turns are liable to quick rust out.

Am still considering my options, although Hustler is strong contender.

Further thoughts from FOG members are certainly welcome.

Update:
Just looked at latest Toro Aust website. Appears decks are now stronger, but spec range I am considering have followed Ferris with lower HP engines.

« Last Edit: June 10, 2013, 09:12 PM by Stephen B »
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2013, 07:58 AM »

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Eleven year old Australian Greenfield Mower starts first time after no use since last November. Mows all Sunday afternoon under a sunny winter sky.

Stephen will give it another mowing season (with fingers crossed).

Consequently pressure on Australian - United States trade deficit eases in the medium term, however pressure on Australian - German trade deficit may significantly increase over next 12 months.
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2013, 08:38 AM »
Those "Under belly" tractor mowers a definitely more stable on hillsides than mid-mount "Z"s.  The problem tho, is they don't have much difference from lowest setting to the highest.  They are also slower than most of the Z's.

i had a Kubota that was configured as a tractor in reveres and the mowing deck, out in front (the big wheels in front, the steering wheels in back gave the tractor a lot of manuverability and able to mow brush as well as grass.  I could drive up to a clump of wild roses and raise the deck until it was over the center of the bush, lower and the bush was gone.  The tractor was just too heavy and too much swing behind me for mowing around intricit flower and shrub beds.  I traded it in on a Kubota tractor/loader and bought a couple of walk behind mowers for the lwans.  I did get a belly mounted mower for the tractor, but could not use it for field mowing as I had hoped.  i just could not raise the deck high enough.  I ended up with a brush hog on the back of the tractor.  Eventually, i got a Skag Tiger that has a deck mowing height from 1-1/2" (never set that low) to 6-1/2" fully raised.  that sucker goes thru anything that can be mowed with any lawn mower.  I have even cut thru brush up to 1" in diameter.  Of course brush can bend blades, so I put on already damaged blades for that work.
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2013, 07:04 PM »
Hi Tinker,

Thanks for all your responses to this post, I have certainly enjoyed your mowing adventures.

Stephen
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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2013, 06:51 AM »
Stephen, I just hope they were of help.  Sorry i have not had any experiences that could help you "Down Under" friends the most. My only experience with running a mower upside down (mentioned in an earlier post)was quite scary and uncomfortable.  [poke] ::)
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2013, 08:56 AM »
Stephen, I just hope they were of help.  Sorry i have not had any experiences that could help you "Down Under" friends the most. My only experience with running a mower upside down (mentioned in an earlier post)was quite scary and uncomfortable.  [poke] ::)
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2013, 09:04 PM »
Stephen, I just hope they were of help.  Sorry i have not had any experiences that could help you "Down Under" friends the most. My only experience with running a mower upside down (mentioned in an earlier post)was quite scary and uncomfortable.  [poke] ::)
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2013, 09:22 PM »


Yes, thought of this thread yesterday when again I was mowing 'upside down!'
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2013, 06:08 AM »
I often wonder how you guys do that.  Superglue on the tires must slow you down terribly.   [scratch chin]
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Re: Hustler or Ferris? No it's a . . . . .
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2015, 04:58 AM »


Last week after 1500hrs, the trusty Honda Twin in my Australian Greenfield Mower decided enough was enough.

From this thread you can see it has taken some time to consider its replacement. The two contenders first announced have been put aside. There have been some concern in the district that Hustlers have some difficulty with our Aussie longer grass because the shoot size somewhat restricts extraction of longer grass from the deck. As for Ferris, well yes the neighbours did replace theirs with another Ferris, but I was not impressed about the spectacular suspension and subsequent chassis failure of their first.  [eek]

Then with the devaluation of the Australian dollar against the U.S. this year, NA mowers have significantly increased in price.  [eek] [embarassed]

So I took delivery on Friday [AEST] of an Australian built COX Cruiser with 48inch deck and 24hp Briggs and Stratton Twin. The key feature of the deck is three discs with flick back blades. This allows some moderate impact without fracturing blades. The deck also has more reinforcement than either the Hustler or Ferris and the exhaust shoot is bigger than comparable Hustlers.

In its first two hours the mower has been in Capeweed, Onion and Rye as well as some unknown agricultural varieties; most at 5 to 10cm high. So far I am very impressed.

But apart from supporting Australian Manufacturing, there is the Tinker factor. It's Australian, so yes Tinker, it can defiantly mow upside down!  [smile] [big grin]
@Tinker

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2015, 05:33 AM »
 [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [popcorn]
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2015, 05:52 AM »
[thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [popcorn]
Tinker

Mmm, Tinker glad you seem impressed. However  the PopCorn implies waiting for more!

Well I did bog it in the nature strip drain [semi rural properties] just on dusk. Yes Zero turns do bog! The same drain was a piece of cake on the Greenfield. Had to get the neighbour to help me get it out.   [embarassed]

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2015, 06:22 AM »
[thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [popcorn]
Tinker

Mmm, Tinker glad you seem impressed. However  the PopCorn implies waiting for more!

Well I did bog it in the nature strip drain [semi rural properties] just on dusk. Yes Zero turns do bog! The same drain was a piece of cake on the Greenfield. Had to get the neighbour to help me get it out.   [embarassed]

@Tinker

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Of course i knew the popcorn would be necessary.  With a Z-Turn, another absolute necessity is to either have a 4x4 tractor with a good tow hitch, or a good friend with the same equipment.  especially when one lives Down Under and possibly Out Back  [poke]
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2015, 09:01 AM »
One of the downsides to living in Australia is the grass doesn't seem to stop growing in the winter, like it does in the UK.
  Just when you think you have a bit of free time to yourself, you have to go out in the garden and mess around with lawn mowers when you'd rather be messing around in the workshop!

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2015, 09:15 AM »
One of the downsides to living in Australia is the grass doesn't seem to stop growing in the winter, like it does in the UK.
  Just when you think you have a bit of free time to yourself, you have to go out in the garden and mess around with lawn mowers when you'd rather be messing around in the workshop!

Why can't they genetically modify a type of grass that only grows to 2.5cm ?? [sad] Everything we eat is being messed with [mad]

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2015, 09:32 AM »
One of the downsides to living in Australia is the grass doesn't seem to stop growing in the winter, like it does in the UK.
  Just when you think you have a bit of free time to yourself, you have to go out in the garden and mess around with lawn mowers when you'd rather be messing around in the workshop!

A less than helpful comment from 'Senior Management' this afternoon was - "I am so glad we bought this mower, it is so much faster and now you will have so much more time to do other projects around the house".  [eek]

If only all these other projects involved Festool, or even just working with wood!

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« Last Edit: August 15, 2015, 09:50 AM by Untidy Shop »
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2015, 11:56 AM »
One of the downsides to living in Australia is the grass doesn't seem to stop growing in the winter, like it does in the UK.
  Just when you think you have a bit of free time to yourself, you have to go out in the garden and mess around with lawn mowers when you'd rather be messing around in the workshop!

Many moons ago, I had a customer who habitually paid his bill   >>>  6 months or more after the fact.  I had gotten tired of his great habit.  The first snow of the winter (summer to you guys who walk upside down [scratch chin]) was a very wet 12" deep.  his driveway was somewhat dangerous to plow, let alone drive up and down.  I decided this was a good time to get a point across, soooo..... i did not plow his driveway. 

About daybreak, i was just getting home and sitting down to breakfast when the phone rang.  My late paying "friend" was at the otter end of the line and asked, "did you forget to plow my driveway?"

"No"

"Well when are you going to plow it?"

"I'll tell you what Mr (fill in the blank).  This year we are starting a really great service."

After a short pause, a very sarcastic,  "what is this great service?"

For those customers who like to pay for sno plowing in July or August (and he was usually later than that) we are going to plow in July or August.  The best part of that is that it is much easier on our equipment and we don't tear up driveways by dropping the plows too low.  We can do the plowing in the daytime so we don't wake people up.  we don't have to carry extra shovels in case we get stuck and we can leave our tire chains in storage.  We also have a deal for those who like to pay for lawn mowing services in February (July is summer and February is just the opposite for you guys who live Down Under) we are going to mow in february so we don't get all sweaty and wear ourselves out swatting mosquitos. This is going to be a really great deal."

from that point on, i no longer plowed his driveway or mowed his lawn.  Not even, as he requested, "... for old times sake?"

I have used other fun type arguments when a customer habitually complains. But I won't get into them here.
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2015, 01:12 PM »
One of the downsides to living in Australia is the grass doesn't seem to stop growing in the winter, like it does in the UK.
  Just when you think you have a bit of free time to yourself, you have to go out in the garden and mess around with lawn mowers when you'd rather be messing around in the workshop!

Many moons ago, I had a customer who habitually paid his bill   >>>  6 months or more after the fact.  I had gotten tired of his great habit.  The first snow of the winter (summer to you guys who walk upside down [scratch chin]) was a very wet 12" deep.  his driveway was somewhat dangerous to plow, let alone drive up and down.  I decided this was a good time to get a point across, soooo..... i did not plow his driveway. 

About daybreak, i was just getting home and sitting down to breakfast when the phone rang.  My late paying "friend" was at the otter end of the line and asked, "did you forget to plow my driveway?"

"No"

"Well when are you going to plow it?"

"I'll tell you what Mr (fill in the blank).  This year we are starting a really great service."

After a short pause, a very sarcastic,  "what is this great service?"

For those customers who like to pay for sno plowing in July or August (and he was usually later than that) we are going to plow in July or August.  The best part of that is that it is much easier on our equipment and we don't tear up driveways by dropping the plows too low.  We can do the plowing in the daytime so we don't wake people up.  we don't have to carry extra shovels in case we get stuck and we can leave our tire chains in storage.  We also have a deal for those who like to pay for lawn mowing services in February (July is summer and February is just the opposite for you guys who live Down Under) we are going to mow in february so we don't get all sweaty and wear ourselves out swatting mosquitos. This is going to be a really great deal."

from that point on, i no longer plowed his driveway or mowed his lawn.  Not even, as he requested, "... for old times sake?"

I have used other fun type arguments when a customer habitually complains. But I won't get into them here.
Tinker

 [big grin]

Sometimes people just need put in their place.  It is so much fun too.

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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2015, 08:36 PM »

COX just been picked up by the Dealer for its first service. What was previously a 16-18 hr mow (never in one go) was completed in 7.2 engine hours.

Only work I requested was slight adjustment to left steering arm.

Am I  [smile] [smile] - ing, you bet.



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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2015, 04:34 AM »

COX just been picked up by the Dealer for its first service. What was previously a 16-18 hr mow (never in one go) was completed in 7.2 engine hours.

Only work I requested was slight adjustment to left steering arm.

Am I  [smile] [smile] - ing, you bet.



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Last week after 1500hrs, the trusty Honda Twin in my Australian Greenfield Mower decided enough was enough.

From this thread you can see it has taken some time to consider its replacement. The two contenders first announced have been put aside. There have been some concern in the district that Hustlers have some difficulty with our Aussie longer grass because the shoot size somewhat restricts extraction of longer grass from the deck. As for Ferris, well yes the neighbours did replace theirs with another Ferris, but I was not impressed about the spectacular suspension and subsequent chassis failure of their first.  [eek]

Then with the devaluation of the Australian dollar against the U.S. this year, NA mowers have significantly increased in price.  [eek] [embarassed]

So I took delivery on Friday [AEST] of an Australian built COX Cruiser with 48inch deck and 24hp Briggs and Stratton Twin. The key feature of the deck is three discs with flick back blades. This allows some moderate impact without fracturing blades. The deck also has more reinforcement than either the Hustler or Ferris and the exhaust shoot is bigger than comparable Hustlers.

In its first two hours the mower has been in Capeweed, Onion and Rye as well as some unknown agricultural varieties; most at 5 to 10cm high. So far I am very impressed.

But apart from supporting Australian Manufacturing, there is the Tinker factor. It's Australian, so yes Tinker, it can defiantly mow upside down!  [smile] [big grin]
@Tinker

@ Untidy Shop I looked up COX "Z"turn mowers on internet. (I had to turn my computer upside down  ::))
From what i can see, you made a great choice.  That machine must weigh tons.  The deck skirt is 8mm thick.  I did not have a deck built that strong even on my old brush hogs.  I also like the idea of the swinging blades suspended on a flat disc.  That is somewhat like our flail mowers.  The blades can hit rocks and stumps (stumps do far more damage than rocks) and just swing back with no hangup or breakage.

Another great feature:
uote from COX spec advertisement.>>>When you have finished mowing, all you have to do is just snap on a standard hose fitting and the underside of your deck will be cleared of accumulated grass clippings.<<<

My SKAG has just turned 4000 hours (a month ago) and is on its second deck. This deck, like the original, is so full of welds it is like one solid weld.  I am hoping it will hold up until i am 40 and retired.  The major cause of deck breaking down is metal deteriorating from the acids in decomposing grass clippings built up on the underside.  Does your mower have that washing feature.

One of the mowers I got suckered into buying a few years ago had a diesel engine.  i paid a lot of ruples for the diesel extra. When I finally junked that mower (gave it to a friend who likes to play with old equipment), the engine was still going strong but everything else was rusted, corroded and basically falling apart. It was on its third deck. If your entire mower is built in comparison to the deck skirt thickness, with that wash under the deck feature, that mower will still be around a lot longer than the 4000 hours on my Skag.  it looks to me that you made a great choice.
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2015, 05:11 AM »
Looks like you have done some follow up research Tinker.

Yes it was the deck construction and the discs with flick back blades that sold me. The washing feature was a bonus but my dealer told me to let the mower cool for two hours before using it. I have used it once so far.

Our property was once a small part of a large dairy farm, and from time to time the old Greenfield mower was a bit of an 'archeologist' finding bits of fencing wire, star pickets and broken fence posts [which could 'suddenly'  emerge with soil movement], bricks, bottles and the odd rock. So when looking for a new mower an ability to at least attempt to survive such incidents was something I was looking for.

So far, apart from the bogging previously mentioned, we have only hit a shallow tree root. Forgot it was there in the long grass.  [eek]



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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2015, 07:48 AM »
I am surprised more mowers don't have that disk and floppy blades feature, at least as an option.  Every one of my old brush hogs had the same.  with my 61" Skag Z, i mow my best lawns to tall field grasses where i can discover hidden rocks to brush up to about 1".  all with the same "flat" blades.  I would very definitely have gone for the extra plate with swinging blades as an alternative to the grooming blades used most of the time.

I like the thickness of the deck skirt, but I am sure it can be quite a jolt when running into a hidden stump.  I think all kinds of frame parts can get buggered up where with my thin 7ga (not 7mm) skirt allows for bending to be straighter with torch and a little bit of weld to only the deck parts. 
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Re: Hustler or Ferris - Another Cox
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2017, 09:54 PM »


Last winter I discovered that my Zero turn, like most, could not handle the wetter areas of our property. Nor did it really like really tall grass. This added to some 'tight' areas and a need to tow implements led me to recently supplement the Zero Turns capabilities with a COX 4000 series Lawn Tractor. This machine has a 16hp Honda Twin and Live Drive. The deck is 32inch with one disc and two flick back blades. This desk is designed for rough area mowing. Although available with Hydro drive,  I chose the live drive because it handles wet and tall grass conditions better and also is better suited to towing. As to why another COX? Look at the image of the steering/front axle assembly [lower right of image collection]. [smile]  Oh and this machine, except for the engine, is Aussie made.

Last evening it did some gentle mowing as I want to be kind during the first few hours.  [big grin]

Ref: http://www.coxmowers.com.au/stockman-4000-range/

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« Last Edit: April 13, 2017, 06:36 PM by Untidy Shop »
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Re: Hustler or Ferris - Another Cox
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2017, 10:18 PM »
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Last winter I discovered that my Zero turn, like most, could not handle the wetter areas of our property. Nor did it really like really tall grass. This added to some 'tight' areas and a need to tow implements led me to recently supplement the Zero Turns capabilities with a COX 4000 series Lawn Tractor. This machine has a 16hp Honda Twin and Live Drive. The deck is 32inch with one disc and two flick back blades. This desk is designed for rough area mowing. Although available with Hydro drive,  I chose the live drive because it handles wet and tall grass conditions better and also is better suited to towing. As to why another COX? Look at the image of the steering/front axle assembly [lower right of image collection]. [smile]  Oh and this machine, except for the engine, is Aussie made.

Last evening it did some gentle mowing as I want to be kind during the first few hours.  [big grin]

Ref: http://www.coxmowers.com.au/stockman-4000-range/

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. Interesting reading on the COX brand.
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Re: Hustler or Ferris
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2017, 08:27 AM »
@Untidy Shop
I'm glad you went with the Honda engine.  In my experience, if the Honda won't start, I am doing something wrong. i'm not so sure about going to the tractor type as opposed to the Z turn.  I am not sure those small back wheels will handle the "bogs" any better than you Z turn.  Is the deck removable for changing/harpening blades? OR>>>  Do you have to tip the entire machine? If so, you might put your Festoys to work advantageously in building a ramp or deck so you can safely work underneath the machine for such mainenance chores.

I am sure your mowing hours will be closer to your original mower than the hours mowing with your Z turn.

I think you just like shiney new maches to play around with ::)

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Re: Hustler or Ferris - Mowing adventures continue.
« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2017, 08:40 AM »
Thanks for your thoughts @Tinker. The idea of a perminant ramp or a small reinforced wall to which I can attach the trailer ramps is a good idea. As I said this mower is for the rough areas and towing shredder and spray. 80% of actual mowing will still  be by the Zero turn, I am just seeking to lesson the amount if brushcutter wirk.

First 'adventure' today, or rather act of stupidity and consequent self embarrassment.

Mowing an area furthest away from the mower shed  when engine cuts out. Look at the fuel tank sight gauge. A little fuel showing, but none the less I trudge up to the mower shed  to retrieve a fuel can. Back and the tank full, but no ignition. I check the foot switch. Not loose. [Think I might get that changed to a toggle switch on the dash though?] Try to start again. No luck. After repeating this cycle several more times, as well as picking at other leads; it's a long push across the paddock and up a long rise  to the mower shed, cursing the manufacturer and the dealers pre delivery checks with every step.

Well before I push it up on the trailer, I better check the manual. Might have missed something. Yep!  The mower will not start unless the cutter disk is disengaged!!   [embarassed] [embarassed] [embarassed] [embarassed]  [mad]
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Re: Hustler or Ferris - Mowing adventures continue.
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2017, 05:29 AM »

Well before I push it up on the trailer, I better check the manual. Might have missed something. Yep!  The mower will not start unless the cutter disk is disengaged!!   [embarassed] [embarassed] [embarassed] [embarassed]  [mad]

We call that an "idiot swich". Don't even ask how i know about them. 

I have a friend who does all of my tree work, takedowns and climbing as well.  He bought an older mower that was pre idiot switch. His blades jammed.  got off the mower with machine still running.  reached under the deck to free the blades.  as debris came free, blades decided to rotate again.  He was lucky escaping with only the back of his hand skinned.  When he was looking for a mower for his son to do neighborhood mowing, I did suggest that he get one with all the idiot switches working as he had an idiot for a teacher.

I chopped my own fingers by mounting a PTO shaft wrong end forward and trying to make an adjustment "on the fly".  Not good.  I have thought many times that Saw Stop is a lot of nonsense and then I realize it is right in line with idiot switches on tractors and mowers.  I have never fed my fingers into a saw, but I have managed a few near misses with mowers and other farm equipment.  I used to disconnect all of the idiot switches whn the first came out.  The engineers have gotten smart and the designs now include impossible to disconnect those switches and start the machine. An occasional inconvenience, but once we get used to them, they seem like a great idea.

Let us know when you learn how to run both machines at once.
Tinker
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