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Offline Nimos

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Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« on: January 19, 2017, 07:06 AM »
Hi!

I planning to mount my Festool OF1400 in a table (INCRA) with a Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige router lift.

Is there anyone who fitted the same Router + Lift and can share their experience

/ Nimos

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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2017, 01:45 PM »
I thought the Festool routers werent supported by any third party lifts.
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Offline antss

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2017, 04:07 PM »
The prestige is a relatively new model that does work with Festool.

The routers mount to a plate/ring that is lifted rather than a clamping motor carriage which is common to their other models. And pretty much everyone else's.

Offline Edward A Reno III

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2017, 04:15 PM »
I thought the same, but he speaketh the truth.  Here's the link: http://www.jessemdirect.com/product_p/02320.htm

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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2017, 04:50 PM »
Very cool! Was not aware of that offering. Thankfully I am more than happy with the tried and true PC 7518 3.25HP motor in an Incra lift with the CleanSweep magnetic inserts! Been awesome!
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Offline Nimos

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2017, 06:08 AM »
I live in Europe (Norway), there is unfortunately limited access to "router motors" here, otherwise I would buy a "router motors" and Incra Mast-R-lift II.

Offline jrb9

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2017, 11:57 PM »
Anyone pick one of these up yet? Any opinions?

Thanks,
John

Offline kdzito

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 09:52 AM »
Interesting.... I have been in the market for a router lift and this one may have pushed me over the edge.
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Offline jdw101

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2017, 10:16 PM »
Hi!

I planning to mount my Festool OF1400 in a table (INCRA) with a Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige router lift.

Is there anyone who fitted the same Router + Lift and can share their experience

/ Nimos

Just going to say that is a waste in my view.  Using a router motor for 200 dollars will net you the same functionality in a table.  The OF 1400 is such an expensive router table router.  I dropped a large porter cable in my incra table and then I can use the of 1400 for handheld.  Just my .02.

Offline jrb9

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2017, 10:50 PM »
Hi!

I planning to mount my Festool OF1400 in a table (INCRA) with a Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige router lift.

Is there anyone who fitted the same Router + Lift and can share their experience

/ Nimos

Just going to say that is a waste in my view.  Using a router motor for 200 dollars will net you the same functionality in a table.  The OF 1400 is such an expensive router table router.  I dropped a large porter cable in my incra table and then I can use the of 1400 for handheld.  Just my .02.

I'm kind of torn. Sure, ideally I'd throw the big PC router in the table and be done...but that $300 would buy me a lot of toys/beer/lap-dances when I don't know how often the inconvenience of task switching between table and hand held would bother me...and then I think I'm probably being penny smart and dollar foolish which is why I haven't bought anything yet.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2017, 10:52 PM by jrb9 »

Offline Svar

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2017, 11:30 PM »
Just going to say that is a waste in my view.  Using a router motor for 200 dollars will net you the same functionality in a table.  The OF 1400 is such an expensive router table router.  I dropped a large porter cable in my incra table and then I can use the of 1400 for handheld.  Just my .02.
I agree. Plus 1400 in that lift must be in fully plunged position at all time. You don't want to leave it like that for long.

Offline jrb9

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2017, 11:35 PM »
Just going to say that is a waste in my view.  Using a router motor for 200 dollars will net you the same functionality in a table.  The OF 1400 is such an expensive router table router.  I dropped a large porter cable in my incra table and then I can use the of 1400 for handheld.  Just my .02.
I agree. Plus 1400 in that lift must be in fully plunged position at all time. You don't want to leave it like that for long.
That is probably enough of a reason to skip this option. Thanks!

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2017, 11:37 PM »
It's  just not a router for a router table. It make's little sense.

For me NONE of the Festool routers are table routers, I don't care if Festool makes a table for one.

My Milwaukee 5625-20 which is 10 years old is a better router in a table than any current Festool router. For 309.00(269.00 on sale every blue moon) that Milwaukee is a heck of a router for a table.
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2017, 11:07 AM »
Same here. Id rather have a big, powerful, tried and true Porter Cable 7518 3.25HP motor permanently mounted in an Incra lift with all the other accessories any day for the same price or less as an OF 1400. My OF 1010 and OF 1400 are for hand use only and I have the PC and Incra setup. Now, if you are a mobile worker, its an entirely different story.
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Offline Cincinnati

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 01:45 PM »

....

My Milwaukee 5625-20 which is 10 years old is a better router in a table than any current Festool router. For 309.00(269.00 on sale every blue moon) that Milwaukee is a heck of a router for a table.


Yep. I concur. The Milwaukee 5625 is powerful, quiet, smooth as far as vibration free, and well-built.  I sold my Dewalt and PC when I tried the Milwaukee.

Offline grbmds

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2017, 04:32 PM »
Remounting the router in the table would bother anyone each time it wasn't mounted when you needed it in the table. Then, if it was mounted in the table and you wanted to do a quick handheld operation, it would again bother you.
Randy

Offline Holmz

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2017, 12:11 AM »
If I did not have a similar router to a 1400 I would probably have a 1400. Any they seem to have a good reputation as a hand router.

In a table something is to be said for power the fancy attachments etc seem like waste, so I would stuff in a PC, triton etc.

i am not saying not to get the 1400... You probably (or may) need both, but a nice table setup deserves its own router if it gets used a lot. Then you can use the 1400 solely where it excels.

Offline Roseland

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2017, 03:09 AM »
OK, perhaps I'm being dumb here, but why would anyone buy a Jessem Router Lift ($350?) when a $300 Triton TRA001 router has "through the table height" adjustment, automatic spindle lock and no loss of depth of cut?

I agree the OF1400 router is a fine bit of kit (I have one) but nothing would persuade me to put it in a table where the spindle lock and height adjustment are so awkward.

Am I missing something?

Andrew
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Offline grbmds

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2017, 08:33 AM »
OK, perhaps I'm being dumb here, but why would anyone buy a Jessem Router Lift ($350?) when a $300 Triton TRA001 router has "through the table height" adjustment, automatic spindle lock and no loss of depth of cut?

I agree the OF1400 router is a fine bit of kit (I have one) but nothing would persuade me to put it in a table where the spindle lock and height adjustment are so awkward.

Am I missing something?

Andrew

I find the height adjustment on my Incra lift to be much more accurate even if the Triton router can do above table height adjustment also. I own a Triton. Great handheld router but can't compare to the OF1400 especially for dust collection and setup for handheld routing. Wouldn't use the OF1400 in a table either.
Randy

Offline Roseland

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2017, 11:50 AM »
The height adjustment accuracy isn't great (I think it's 2mm per turn) but adequate for my needs.  If I need high accuracy I'll back it down and then raise it again to the new height.

And I agree, the dust collection on the Triton isn't a patch of that of the OF1400.

What would you recommend to go in a lift?

Andrew
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Offline antss

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2017, 12:15 PM »
In the UK , about the only thing I know available for a lift is Makita's 2.25hp router #3601.

That market seems to favor medium to large plunge only routers which aren't the best for lift tables. Or are even compatible with most lifts.

In the U.S., in addition to that makita, porter cable 89x , Dewalt 618, and Bosch 16xx routers are the top sellers for router table lifts.   Usually bought in kits with a fixed and plunge base, guys will use it in their lift and have the option to pull it out for handheld use in one of the bases.

Porter Cable 7518 is a 3.25 hp router than some use for their lifts.  It's been around for decades and has lots of power.  Milwaukee has the 5625, but it's not a big seller.  I don't know anyone who uses these in a lift that doesn't have at least one other smaller router for handheld work.


Offline Roseland

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2017, 02:21 PM »
Thanks for the feedback.  As I said, I'm happy with the Triton and will stick with that.  I have four routers for handheld use - an OF1010, and OF1400, a DeWalt 621 and a Bosch.

Thanks again.

Andrew
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Offline grbmds

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2017, 03:03 PM »
The height adjustment accuracy isn't great (I think it's 2mm per turn) but adequate for my needs.  If I need high accuracy I'll back it down and then raise it again to the new height.

And I agree, the dust collection on the Triton isn't a patch of that of the OF1400.

What would you recommend to go in a lift?

Andrew
@Roseland I personally have the PC7518 but, as was already stated, I think, it's unclear whether this motor is available in 230V, if that is what you require. It is a very powerful motor and there is nothing I would ever have it do that it couldn't. Plus, the Incra lift (which I still believe is really a Jessem lift) is already set up as purchased from Incra just for this motor, so installation involves just setting it in place and tightening down the appropriate mounts.

In addition, the following router motors are compatible with this lift:

Porter Cable 7518, 690-699 series, & 890-899 series
Bosch 1617EVS,1618
DeWalt DW610 & DW618
Makita RF1101 & RD1101
Hitachi M12VC & KM12VC
Milwaukee 5625, 5615, 5616, & 5619
Craftsman 17543, 17540, & 28190
Rigid R29302

The Triton isn't listed, but it's possible that this list isn't complete. I don't know which other motors would also be available in 230V. I would think any of these would be OK, but would think the other PC, Bosch, Dewalt, Makita, and Milwaukee would be the best choices, depending on the HP rating of each and the needs of the user. However, the only direct experience I have with routers is Makita, PC, Dewalt, and Triton. (I did own a Ryobi and an old Craftsman at one point and, while they were OK, they weren't made for heavy duty use.)
Randy

Offline grbmds

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2017, 03:04 PM »
Thanks for the feedback.  As I said, I'm happy with the Triton and will stick with that.  I have four routers for handheld use - an OF1010, and OF1400, a DeWalt 621 and a Bosch.

Thanks again.

Andrew

Can't go wrong with any of those for sure.
Randy

Offline rst

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2017, 05:07 PM »
I've been using a PC 7518 in a Bench Dog Tools 40-150 ProLift  more than 20 years.  This thing is a beast weighing 25 lbs. Add the 14 1/2 lbs of the router and you have one very massive almost shaper like machine.  I replaced the collet and nut with an Eliminator Quick Change Router Chuck. 

Offline Holmz

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2017, 06:02 PM »
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@Roseland I personally have the PC7518 but, as was already stated, I think, it's unclear whether this motor is available in 230V, if that is what you require.

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The Triton isn't listed, but it's possible that this list isn't complete. I don't know which other motors would also be available in 230V.
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I do not mind running a sander on a 230->115 transformer, but I do not prefer it..

A  2-2.6 kW router seems like it deserves good power in the 220/221/230v range.

Basically it did not appear that Jessem supported Eu routers and US router were not available in Eu voltage.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2017, 12:14 AM »
I've been using a PC 7518 in a Bench Dog Tools 40-150 ProLift  more than 20 years.  This thing is a beast weighing 25 lbs. Add the 14 1/2 lbs of the router and you have one very massive almost shaper like machine.  I replaced the collet and nut with an Eliminator Quick Change Router Chuck. 
Had the Bench Dog ProLift and while it was really nice and solid I upgraded to the Incra lift to get the CleanSweep magnetic inserts. They make a big difference for dust collection. That said Id never heard of the Eliminator Quick Change Router Chuck before. Pricey but I have have to pick one up to try out.
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Offline rst

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2017, 07:47 AM »
I use the now discontinued Dust Router attachment for under table extraction and it works great.  I get less than a table spoon of chips escaping into my cabinet.

Offline antss

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Re: Jessem Rout R Lift - Prestige experiences
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2017, 08:19 AM »
The PC 7518/9 has been available in 220v for decades.

I assume it still is.