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Offline mattbyington

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(It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« on: December 14, 2018, 07:03 PM »
After a few months of debate - just ordered a Hammer A331. So excited.

Should arrive in early February they think.

Went for the spiral silent block carbide cutter head and moveable base.

Will post pics when it comes!

Big thanks to Ryan from the Felder group for answering all my questions.

Matt
« Last Edit: February 16, 2019, 09:53 AM by mattbyington »

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Offline rmhinden

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2018, 07:16 PM »
Cool!  Now you will also need a dust extraction system :-)


Offline travisj

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2018, 07:31 PM »
Congratulations!  I have their mobile base and the Silent Power cutterhead on mine as well.  I love it as I’m sure you will once it arrives.


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Offline mattbyington

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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2018, 07:56 PM »
Thanks both!

Yes, going to get the Dust Right 650 CFM from Rockler

Matt

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2018, 07:59 PM »
Congratulations!  I have their mobile base and the Silent Power cutterhead on mine as well.  I love it as I’m sure you will once it arrives.


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Offline macrutt

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2018, 08:36 PM »
Matt ,

Congratulations , I have a MiniMax FS30 Smart .
Do take a long look at this dust collector,
https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/personal-shops/mini-gorilla

Take care George

Offline TomGadwa1

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2018, 12:04 AM »
I have that machine and it is a fantastic unit. However their mobility solution is a joke. I wound up making my own that was inspired by the sawstop setup which utilized a hydraulic piston to raise the weight of the saw. Turns out that the A3-31 is in the same weight range as a defect sized table saw. So I figured that something based on a hydraulic like the Sawstop setup would be ideal for my use. I have a Youtube video on my setup called Save your back. Trust me the stock setup is hazardous to your health if you value your back!!   Before I implemented my hydraulic lifter each time I moved my A3-31 with the old crappy stock setup my back hurt for days and days.  After my system was installed not only do I have no more back issues but if I want I can turn the unit around within its length. If you are in a small humble shop as am this is a huge benefit. I know you will be happy with your decision!! Don't forget the mechanical digital readout hand wheel for the thickness setting. Great accurate repeatable results!
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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2018, 08:22 AM »
To put a finer point on one of the issues Tom raises...the factory mobility option will only move the machine perpendicular to the planer beds, which means you need a clear 5 ft swath to move the machine.  I think it was really designed to back the unit away from a wall and push it back again.  If your shop set up requires moving it the other way, there are lots of machine mobility platforms that can accomplish this.

Congrats on the new acquisition!  This should open up some options for you!
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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2018, 08:34 AM »
Congrats on your purchase.  I actually had the A3-31 and K3 Winner on order earlier in the year, but held off because I was looking for a small shop to lease at the time and didn't want to have them delivered to home and then move them.  I've decided to go with the Sawstop PCS now, but the A3 is still on the list. 

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2018, 02:57 PM »
Matt ,

Congratulations , I have a MiniMax FS30 Smart .
Do take a long look at this dust collector,
https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/personal-shops/mini-gorilla

Take care George

I have the Minimax FS30 Classic.  It produces copious amounts of shavings in planer mode.

Definitely invest in a good dust collector with easy bag changes.  I have a 30 gallon Oneida and it fills up FAST.

Recently, I was planing some 8/4 stock down to 6/4 for a countertop and filled up five bags in one afternoon.
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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2018, 03:18 AM »
I will second that the “digital wheel” is worth it.  Expensive for what it is, but repeatability is awesome.  I stated in another thread that I have been making drawers for a cobbled together outfeed table (reusing scrap plywood).  I planed what I thought was enough 12mm oak, but I have had to go back and mill more on three different occasions.  It was nice to be able to quickly and easily mill up 12mm and 11.5mm boards that perfectly match the stuff I had done weeks ago.

As for a dust collector, for a jointer/planer it is mostly “fluff”, not fine dust.  I am contemplating a large Clear Vue cyclone, but I’m not sure where I could fit it inside or outside of my shop space.  The route I took was to build a cyclone.  I modified a Harbor Freight dust collector with the large Oneida Dust Deputy and a 30 gallon drum.  Including the remote and aforementioned parts, I’m into it for less than $300.  It works well with my SawStop and my A3-31.  I also use it as an oversized vacuum to clean up the shop.  I would definitely recommend my setup as a somewhat inexpensive solution.  The Hammer does fill the drum pretty quickly though.


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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2018, 10:02 PM »
Congrats! Just got mine not too long ago. Havent even gotten it all setup yet. Still on the pallet. Beast of a machine. Weighs a ton!
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2018, 02:10 PM »
Thanks everyone for the replies! I will definitely get the digital readout then!

Matt

Offline egmiii

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2018, 04:41 PM »
I'd suggest getting the gauge in metric if your comfortable with it. The imperial version is a bit harder to read when dealing with fractions. I briefly had both and preferred the metric version.

Offline online421

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2018, 08:34 PM »
congrats... quality gear is addictive and make you do more work happily. I am going to order a Profil 45 Z in 2020

it seems my AD951 was only delivered yesterday.... but it was 5 months ago already!!

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Offline egmiii

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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2018, 09:14 PM »
I bet 2020 can't come fast enough for you! If I could get a 45 Z to fit through a 35" door, I'd buy it tomorrow. Problem is it has to fit through two 35" interior doors then travel down a finished staircase to my basement. Took me over a year to figure out a rig to get an AD941 down, but it eventually got done.

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2018, 11:27 PM »
I bet 2020 can't come fast enough for you! If I could get a 45 Z to fit through a 35" door, I'd buy it tomorrow. Problem is it has to fit through two 35" interior doors then travel down a finished staircase to my basement. Took me over a year to figure out a rig to get an AD941 down, but it eventually got done.

Care to share the details around the process of getting the AD941 down there?  I was going to hire someone, but I’m not too confident they will heed instructions not to handle the machine by the beds.
-Raj

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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2018, 11:36 PM »
I’ll need a little time to dig up the best photos and to outline the process. What I did was likely a huge engineering overkill, but I didn’t trust anyone else to do it properly. I called quite a few places. The riggers who were capable, didn’t want the job, and the movers who wanted the job, weren’t capable. 1400 pounds is no joke to move across a tile floor and down a staircase.

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2018, 06:38 AM »
@egmiii Thanks, much appreciated!
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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2018, 07:43 AM »
Congratulations!!!

I’ve had 2 A3-41’s in my shop. The first was bought used and was a straight knife head. Loved it but took my local tech 2 days to adjust and level it out. Used that for 2 years then opted for a new one with the spiral cutter (sold it for more than I paid for it). I did the imperial dial but not fond of it. I’ll definitely be ordering the metric one this month.

FYI- mine weighed 967# we got it off the pallet by disassembling the pallet from underneath!  A couple small floor jacks, walking it down an inch each side. Crazy stuff. Couldn’t find a small pallet jack anywhere.


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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2018, 08:57 AM »
Thanks both!

Yes, going to get the Dust Right 650 CFM from Rockler

Matt

That would be a waste of money ... and potentially hazardous for your health. You need a system that will suck up the fine dust, which is <0.3 microns. Those bags simply spread it around the shop.

You also need to build a dust collector for the future machines. This is a minimum of 3 hp DC and 6" hoses. The Hammer uses 5" hoses, which requires surgery to convert them to 6". I will do this with mine (Hammer's A3-31, K3, and N4400), which currently use 5" hose.

Get the digital gauge. This is an essential piece of equipment.

Regards from Perth

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Offline RKA

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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2018, 09:46 AM »
I'm not sure if you noticed Derek, but that dust collector has an optional 1 micron filter cartridge.  That coupled with an open garage door allowing air to circulate should keep the air pretty clear. 

I did recently order an inexpensive (~$40) particle counter from eBay after watching a Peter Millard video.  It's accuracy is questionable, but the relative changes from a still shop to a working shop should give me better insight about what's happening with the air quality in my basement.  If it appears to be helpful, I can post a link.  Might be a week or two (or more) before it gets here (from Hong Kong).
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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2018, 11:43 AM »
I hate to say it, but 1 micron is not good enough. It is the sub-0.3 micron dust that we have to worry about.

The blurb I read stated, " .. flow rate of 650 CFM ...  the inlet accepts standard 4'' hose. The collector includes a 30-micron bag". That is far from impressive.

Regards from Perth

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2018, 01:52 PM »
Thanks both!

Yes, going to get the Dust Right 650 CFM from Rockler

Matt

That would be a waste of money ... and potentially hazardous for your health. You need a system that will suck up the fine dust, which is <0.3 microns. Those bags simply spread it around the shop.

You also need to build a dust collector for the future machines. This is a minimum of 3 hp DC and 6" hoses. The Hammer uses 5" hoses, which requires surgery to convert them to 6". I will do this with mine (Hammer's A3-31, K3, and N4400), which currently use 5" hose.

Get the digital gauge. This is an essential piece of equipment.

Regards from Perth

Derek


Now that you mention it I would LOVE to add say a 4" dust port in the front of the N4400 under the table like the Felders have. That would be so nice!
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2018, 07:13 PM »
Thanks so much for all the replies everyone. I really appreciate all of the insight.

With regard to the readout - sounds like metric is the way to go. Thanks for that tip!

With regard to dust collection - @derekcohen thanks for the reply! I really appreciate you taking the time to warn me.

So, @RKA is right - the standard bag it comes with IS 30 micron but they do make both 5 micron and 1 micron bags.

My plan was to get the DC *with* the optional cartridge filter AND the 1 micron bag.

I also have overhead air cleaning  (Jet ABS 1000) .

Lastly, I'm going to be putting the DC into a little closet in my garage that is closed off (via a door, it is its own room) from the main part of the garage, and run the DC through the wall with:

https://www.rockler.com/through-the-wall-dust-right-port-kit

Do we think that'll b sufficient or should I really look for a different DC?

Between the A331, and all the DC+ electrical work I need to support it, trying to keep costs at least a LITTLE down :)

Matt

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2018, 08:34 PM »
Matt ,

Some good links:
http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm#index.cfm
https://www.finewoodworking.com/tag/dust-collection

As Derek points out .3 micron is a good goal . The first link I sent , the Oneida mini gets that.

Take care George

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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2018, 08:37 PM »
@macrutt thanks george!

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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2018, 08:49 PM »
Matt ,

You are welcome .
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Take care George

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2018, 05:27 PM »
I ordered my C341 last month but I have to wait until April 2019 to receive. I went for the silent power, mobility kit, digital read out, 200mm sliding table, table extensions. I am considering have a tech come out to the house and setup and calibrate the machine for an extra fee. Has anyone used that service?
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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2018, 06:07 PM »
I ordered my C341 last month but I have to wait until April 2019 to receive. I went for the silent power, mobility kit, digital read out, 200mm sliding table, table extensions. I am considering have a tech come out to the house and setup and calibrate the machine for an extra fee. Has anyone used that service?

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2018, 09:50 PM »
@smbobby It would be in your best interest to join the Yahoo Felder Owners Group. It's a private group, requiring a brief account setup process. The members there will quickly and effectively guide you on how to make the best decision regarding the commissioning process. This question is answered every few weeks.

Nice saw BTW...

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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2018, 02:19 AM »
I ordered my C341 last month but I have to wait until April 2019 to receive. I went for the silent power, mobility kit, digital read out, 200mm sliding table, table extensions. I am considering have a tech come out to the house and setup and calibrate the machine for an extra fee. Has anyone used that service?
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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2018, 12:32 AM »
Got my A3-41 two days ago.  I work in a fairly cramped garage and need longitudinal movement, so the Hammer mobility kit was out for me as well.  Going to have a base welded up and run four Great Lakes Casters, although that will probably be after the new year.  I had my garage wired up a separate panel with four 220 outlets on four different circuits a few years back, so power won't be a problem, though space is.  This is a pretty big step up for me.  Very excited.



Getting it into the garage wasn't so bad. I don't have the space for a pallet jack, but I do have a Johnson bar that makes moving heavy things reasonably easy.  Had my little helper work the Johnson bar while I shoved a couple of furniture dollies under the crate.  Slid in like butter.


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« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2018, 12:12 PM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
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« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2018, 12:45 PM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
Got any plans for that lifting table cart you built in that second pic? That looks useful.
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« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2018, 03:42 PM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
Got any plans for that lifting table cart you built in that second pic? That looks useful.

I watched a YouTube video of some guy, way sharper than myself.  I was able to reproduce something close.  I will try to find the link to share.
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« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2018, 03:46 PM »
Congrats on the new JP - I have have my Hammer for going on  10 years now and it is running just as well as when I bought it - the newer table and new head is certainly an upgrade.

For casters, just use Zambus casters - you can widen the holes on each corner slightly to accommodate the 10mm stud on the casters. I have had those on mine since day one with no issues. No real need to weld a base of anything. And they are self-leveling. Similar to the Great Lakes brand.

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« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2018, 04:10 PM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
Got any plans for that lifting table cart you built in that second pic? That looks useful.

Here it is:

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« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2018, 01:58 AM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
Got any plans for that lifting table cart you built in that second pic? That looks useful.

Here it is:


Got it, and yea I’ve seen that one too. Crazy how much work he put into that thing! Pretty sure Id have just bought a premade metal one before going through all that though!
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« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2018, 08:31 PM »
@mattbyington just ordered one as well with the year end clearance sale going on. Selling off my dw735 and pm60 with shelix on both to pay for most of it. I’m excited about the space savings.
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« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2018, 08:57 PM »
@blaszcsj have you sold the PM60 yet?

PM me with details please if it is still available.

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« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2019, 05:16 PM »
Well team, got the new dust collector setup this morning finally (had been sitting in the garage for 2 weeks, holiday time w/ family et cetera).

The clear hose from Rockler was delayed (backordered) and should come in a week or so. But I got it hooked up.

Having a beer to work up the courage to cut a 4" hole in the wall downstairs :) to use Rockler's through-wall dust port.

I decided to mount this in the closet area of the garage - and run hose through the wall right to the machine.

I'll post some more pics sometime that make it more clear.

Matt


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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2019, 12:32 AM »
According to Felder, one week until the unit arrives on the boat - then they ship it to me.

It's so close I can almost taste it.

Got the dust collection all ready to go for it and installed a new sub-panel myself that powers the Festool system and will power the jointer.

Matt


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« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2019, 09:55 AM »

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2019, 10:13 AM »
Congratulations!

I got a MiniMax FS30c last year.  Very similar machines.

Be careful getting that beast off the pallet.  It's very top heavy.

I built a ramp off one end and my brother & I slid it off.  Slid is probably an exaggeration.  Muscled it off is more accurate.

Others have used engine hoists and other lifting devices.

I can highly recommend the Portamate Super Duty Adjustable Mobile Base PM-3500.

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2019, 11:14 AM »
Nice Matt ..... I'm hoping to have one of these by the end of the year.  Looking forward to hearing how you like it?

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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2019, 11:27 AM »
My A341 looks just like your A331, still in the crate. I hope you get yours setup and actually use it. I know this is extremely pathetic, but I’ve had mine for 3 years and it’s still on its crate and in one of my storage rooms. I had every intention of using it but it just hasn’t happened. It’s the same thing with my ICS SawStop and bandsaw.

Anyway, your shop is looking awesome!
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« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2019, 12:38 PM »
Lol @Runhard , you’re not alone!  You might have me beat by a little, but I’m in the same boat.  Bandsaw, table saw and planer are all boxed up in the garage waiting for me to sort out layout, install a sub panel and 4 circuits and figure out my dust collection.  I’ve got to pay for some foundation work in the basement first, then work on the shop.
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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2019, 01:10 PM »
I've had my A331 for a coulple of years now and love it.  It just works well.

Here's something you should know about.  Its something to keep in mind when you're setting yours up.

Scroll down to Episode 10 - Combination Machines, Dust Collection and More!
Fast forward to the 17:00 minute mark where he talks about setting up the jointer's outfeed table.

http://www.woodshoplifepodcast.com/
« Last Edit: February 22, 2019, 11:49 PM by RobBob »

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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2019, 08:16 AM »
@Runhard  @RKA  Lol... that makes 3, my A326 was a 3/16 delivery.
But I managed a 16" block of Walnut and about a minutes worth
gawking how quiet & smooth it was. Turned it off and put it off to the side.
At least the N4400/K3 gets some use, not much. Dont have time, but
they'll be there when I will need them someday.

Does felder hire temporary crate builders? My crate looked
no wheres near that and was rickety. I had those little white stickers
all over the crate & plastic wrap also as well as the machine.

If Matt doesnt show up for work we might know why.

Btw, @mattbyington Nice shop! too nice  [huh]
Well Dogey

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« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2019, 10:09 AM »
Lol @Runhard , you’re not alone!  You might have me beat by a little, but I’m in the same boat.  Bandsaw, table saw and planer are all boxed up in the garage waiting for me to sort out layout, install a sub panel and 4 circuits and figure out my dust collection.  I’ve got to pay for some foundation work in the basement first, then work on the shop.

Seems to be a theme. Took 15 months to move my Felder gear into the basement shop. I'm trying to find the time to wire it all up and get the dust collector setup.

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« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2019, 12:06 PM »
@Runhard  @RKA  Lol... that makes 3, my A326 was a 3/16 delivery.
But I managed a 16" block of Walnut and about a minutes worth
gawking how quiet & smooth it was. Turned it off and put it off to the side.
At least the N4400/K3 gets some use, not much. Dont have time, but
they'll be there when I will need them someday.

Does felder hire temporary crate builders? My crate looked
no wheres near that and was rickety. I had those little white stickers
all over the crate & plastic wrap also as well as the machine.

If Matt doesnt show up for work we might know why.

Btw, @mattbyington Nice shop! too nice  [huh]

@Picktool I think it’s just crated at the Felder US warehouse by whomever is responsible for shipping these out.  When I picked mine up at the Delaware warehouse it was bolted to the narrow pallet and wrapped in plastic sheeting, probably exactly how it made it’s trip across the pond.  That’s how I took possession of it, but they had a few standard pallets, chop saw, wood stock, impact drivers, screws, etc. to prep these units for freight shipping when necessary.

SCMI (Minimax) completely wrapped my bandsaw in 3/4” pine on all 6 sides leaving the factory in Italy.
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« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2019, 08:28 PM »
@deepcreek thank you sir! Actually the mobile base I ordered with Felder was backordered so I took you up on your suggestion and went out and bought one as soon as you mentioned it :) it's a great base it seems. Thanks for the tip!!

@TrackTubesGuy thanks! I'll let you know - should be up and running in a day or two!

@Runhard go unpack that bad boy man!!

@RobBob thanks i'll go watch that!

@Picktool i thought the same thing - the create was a thing of beauty!!


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« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2019, 08:36 PM »
Nice work. Glad to see you lifted it properly. Seems obvious that you shouldn’t lift it by the tables, yet I see it time and time again. Must be excited to send some wood through!

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« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2019, 08:39 PM »
Thanks @egmiii !

It says it straight in the manual - no lifting by tables!

Had to get creative but it worked like a charm.

I just used the 2x4s that came with the pallet to make that little sled :)

I am super excited! I need to work out power though. And waiting on Amazing for a 5" to 4" coupler thingy.

So close!

Matt

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« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2019, 08:47 PM »
If possible, try to run 120mm or 5” hose from the machine to your dust collector. 4” is quite small and won’t provide enough airflow to grab all the chips. Lots of static pressure. You can choke down to 4” at the dust collector if required. I’m currently in the process of building out my dust collection. Going from the Felder 120mm hose to 6” PVC sucked. I eventually broke down and had a local fabrication shop make custom transitions. Came out great, but really slowed the project down.

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« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2019, 10:20 PM »
@mattbyington
Nice work getting it off the pallet.  My solution to get the A3 off the pallet was much more 3 stooges than your method. 

My first dust collection setup for the A3 was an old Jet DC-650 with a 4 inch hose.  It did a poor job.  Just a few weeks ago I upgraded to an Oneida Mini Dust Gorilla.  I found a 5” by 18 foot clear plastic hose for it and though the hose is longer than I want, the chip collection is still good. 

Have fun getting to know your machine.  I’m very pleased with mine—especially how quiet it is compared to the banshee (a Dewalt 735) it replaced. 

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« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2019, 11:11 PM »
Great job getting it off the pallet!  I'm going to use your method when I get this bad boy...only been lusting after it for years. 
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

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« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2019, 11:13 PM »
I agree with egmiii regarding duct size. If possible use your 4 to 5” reducer at the DC and use 5” ducting to the machine. I think that you will be pleased with that performance. Better yet, I had Oneida make me a custom flange for my Jet jointer so that I could have 5” all the way. You might contact Oneida to see if they already have the pattern necessary to make one for your DC. Mine was quite reasonable and greatly improved performance from the 4”. Also use as much straight pipe and long radius 90’s as possible and minimize the use of flex duct as much as possible. Again, I think that you will be pleased with the performance difference. You would be shocked as to the difference in the cfm loss between the two.

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« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2019, 11:15 PM »
And waiting on Amazing for a 5" to 4" coupler thingy.

@mattbyington

My portable Oneida Dust Gorilla has a 5" hose with a 4" connector on the end so I can use it on my various stationary tools.

This fitting from Rockler worked perfectly to convert my Minimax JP.  I bought two and put one on each dust port (jointer & planer).

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-schedule-40-pvc-to-4-hose-adapter

The Minimax dust ports are 120mm (4.72") so the true 5" fittings are too large.  I think Felder/Hammer may be the same.
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« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2019, 08:35 AM »
Thanks so much for the replies everyone! This forum is such a wealth of knowledge.

I have to admit I think I'm going to try it with the 4" just because that's what I have already and I jus can't stand to wait any longer!

But... that at least allows me to compare it with a 5" run to compare them ;)

Lots of stuff coming in today (small stuff like adaptors and power cable and stuff) so should hopefully have pics of it working in a day or two!!

Matt

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« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2019, 03:54 PM »
@mattbyington - Very exciting stuff! Can’t wait to hear how you like it. Does your A3 run off 220V and is it 20amp or 30 amp?

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« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2019, 11:21 PM »
The A3-31 is 240 volt 30 amp per Felder USA. Felder in Austria says 20 amp. There are one or two cases where people installed 12ga wire and a 20 amp breaker, who then had to rip it out of finished walls and start over. But there are tons who never had an issue with the same wiring (myself included while doing a temporary shop in the garage). My advice, save yourself the trouble and run 10ga wire and a 30amp breaker. Not worth rolling the dice.

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« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2019, 11:42 PM »
@mattbyington
 
Is that an old Blue Bird knock down Port-A-Crane?

Tom

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« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2019, 09:54 AM »
@mattbyington
 
Is that an old Blue Bird knock down Port-A-Crane?

Tom

It sure looks like it!  I've been looking for something like that, but they are surprisingly expensive or hard to find.  ICF now makes it.  Another company offers a $1400 knock off.  Other options don't really break down easily to move between my garage and basement shop.
-Raj

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« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2019, 10:25 AM »
I have one of these that I have used much more than I thought I would.  Works fine.  No issues.
Folds up into a small footprint that sits in a corner until needed.

2 ton shop crane

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« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2019, 11:41 AM »
@Alanbach I think @egmiii already answered :) but yeah I'm actually running a full 50 amp line to it, from a wire size standpoint (6 gauge) but then using a 40 amp breaker.

Actually I should send you guys pictures of that if I didn't already - the breaker at the main service panel is 40 amp but I want to install either a 20 or 30 amp in the smaller panel I wired and installed specifically to run the Festool stuff + this jointer off of.

@tjbnwi no idea..I just rented it. But it looks like @RobBob knows of something similar.

And alas, the dust shrouds I ordered don't fit :(

Last night I ordered one from Oneida and also the one from Felder.. both on next day air shipping.

So hold tight a day more!

Matt

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« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2019, 01:39 PM »
@mattbyington you might want to take a look at your local big box store in the plumbing section for Fernco couplings. They are rubber and stretch a little. Lowe’s Home Depot

https://m.lowes.com/search?searchTerm=fernco+coupling

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« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2019, 04:24 PM »
Ok, so if I understand it correctly you have a double pole 40 amp breaker in you your main panel feeding this sub panel in your shop. The only thing about that is that it looks like you have one double pole (220V) 50 amp breaker in your sub panel. I’m no electrician but that’s probably not cool??? The good news is that it sounds like you are going to use that 50 amp double pole breaker in the sub panel to only feed your new combo machine and it only requires a 30 amp circuit. So it is probably not code compliant but in practical use it probably won’t pop your 40 amp breaker that feeds this sub panel. I’m no electrician but I do know there are some very knowledgeable guys on this forum including some electricians that you could probably ask.

Are you planning on running a circuit out of that sub panel to your new machine with a receptacle near the machine or are you just going to make up a power cord to run from you new machine into the closet where you have the dc and this sub Panel? How far is it from that sub panel to where you are going to place your new machine?

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« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2019, 04:36 PM »
Also, I used a fitting like the one rvieceli described when I converted the 4” outlet on my Sawstop (via a 4” to 5” reducer) to my 5” ducting for my dust collection. Here is a pic.

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« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2019, 04:39 PM »
Well team, got the new dust collector setup this morning finally (had been sitting in the garage for 2 weeks, holiday time w/ family et cetera).

The clear hose from Rockler was delayed (backordered) and should come in a week or so. But I got it hooked up.

Having a beer to work up the courage to cut a 4" hole in the wall downstairs :) to use Rockler's through-wall dust port.

I decided to mount this in the closet area of the garage - and run hose through the wall right to the machine.

I'll post some more pics sometime that make it more clear.

Matt

(Attachment Link)

Very nice Hammer and nice clean shop to put it in!

Just a word of warning - you will probably fill that dust collection bag in a matter of minutes with that machine.

Mike

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« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2019, 04:46 PM »
I have another question regarding your process for unpacking your A3. Was the slot between the legs sufficiently deep to allow you to use your sled to lower it right down onto the new mobile base (once you had it up in the air and completely disconnected from the shipping pallet) and then just slide out the sled or was it more involved than that?

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« Reply #75 on: February 19, 2019, 05:29 PM »
Well team, got the new dust collector setup this morning finally (had been sitting in the garage for 2 weeks, holiday time w/ family et cetera).

The clear hose from Rockler was delayed (backordered) and should come in a week or so. But I got it hooked up.

Having a beer to work up the courage to cut a 4" hole in the wall downstairs :) to use Rockler's through-wall dust port.

I decided to mount this in the closet area of the garage - and run hose through the wall right to the machine.

I'll post some more pics sometime that make it more clear.

Matt

(Attachment Link)

Very nice Hammer and nice clean shop to put it in!

Just a word of warning - you will probably fill that dust collection bag in a matter of minutes with that machine.

Mike

I thought the same thing regarding the size of the dust bag. I could fill it in about 5 minutes.

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« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2019, 12:49 AM »
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« Reply #77 on: February 21, 2019, 07:02 PM »
Thanks so much for the replies everyone! This forum is such a wealth of knowledge.

I have to admit I think I'm going to try it with the 4" just because that's what I have already and I jus can't stand to wait any longer!

But... that at least allows me to compare it with a 5" run to compare them ;)

Lots of stuff coming in today (small stuff like adaptors and power cable and stuff) so should hopefully have pics of it working in a day or two!!

Matt

Matt, going from 4" to 5" hose will double the dust extraction! I started on 4", was amazed at the better efficiency with 5", and plan ti move up to 6" (which requires new out ports).

My A3-31 runs happily on 15A. As does my K3. However the N4400 bandsaw needs 20A. As with ALL these machines, Felder advise that the start button must be held down until the motor is running. Never simply jab it to start. That will burn out the start capacitor.

Regards from Perth

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« Reply #78 on: February 21, 2019, 11:24 PM »
Thanks everyone for the replies!

I powered it up last night. She purrs like a kitten.

I'm going to hit up Lowe's shortly to see if I can find that one @rvieceli

@Alanbach that's not a problem at all - electricity-wise, the smallest breaker will always break first. You could also have a 1,000 amp breaker connected to the line and that would be fine, as an extreme example - so my breaker size is 30A (the one in the sub panel I installed).

I probably could change it to 20A and be a little safer, but since my wiring is rated for 40A, it's totally fine.

@deepcreek I saw that one too! I want to order it but it'll take so long to get here. I hope I find one at Lowe's. If not I'll go to Rockler Saturday - the closest one is 1.5 hours away from me though.

@derekcohen thanks...I'll have to look into that.

And I know the bag will fill quickly. I'll figure something else out. Just want to try it for now.

Matt

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« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2019, 11:57 PM »
Cool, I’m glad to hear that! When I looked at the picture you posted of your sub panel the only double pole breaker that I saw was a 50 amp. I’m glad that you changed it out. Glad to hear that it is up, running and purring!

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« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2019, 10:37 AM »
@mattbyington If you don't find it in Lowes, HD should have it.  I *believe* the one below is what you will need.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/4-in-Clay-x-4-in-DWV-Flexible-PVC-Coupling-P1002-44/100372311
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« Reply #81 on: February 22, 2019, 10:59 PM »
Thank you @RKA !

I found something crappy but semi workable at Lowe’s and finally ran a board through !


I’ll post pics tomorrow. It came out with a beautiful finish but there was some snipe. It is more than likely my technique - this is my first jointer. Anyone have any tips?

I’ll send pic tomorrow!

And no, the bag isn’t quite full yet ;)

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« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2019, 11:46 PM »
Thank you @RKA !

I found something crappy but semi workable at Lowe’s and finally ran a board through !


I’ll post pics tomorrow. It came out with a beautiful finish but there was some snipe. It is more than likely my technique - this is my first jointer. Anyone have any tips?

I’ll send pic tomorrow!

And no, the bag isn’t quite full yet ;)

Yes, look at my post (reply #49) above and listen to the podcast beginning at 17:00. 

The way the machine is setup from the factory will give you a little snipe.  The outfeed table is set slightly lower than the cutterhead.  See page 33 of the manual, top of the page - "8.3 Adjusting the joint." 

The outfeed table is easily adjusted to be even with the cutterhead, thus eliminating snipe.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2019, 12:02 AM by RobBob »

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« Reply #83 on: February 23, 2019, 12:03 AM »
So for me proper jointing technique involves two foam bottomed push paddles and a smooth consistent forward motion with strong steady downward pressure against the bed. You position your feet comfortably in front of the machine keeping in mind where you are going, not just where you start. Then with your dominant hand in the rear position use the front hand to insure contact with the fence and the bed below. Use the back hand to push the board forward while maintaining enough downward pressure to keep uniform contact with the bed. Just before your front hand reaches the blade area lift it slightly off the board while continuing a steady pace forward. Now place that front hand back down on the board just past the blade area. Now, as your rear hand reaches the cutting area slide it back a foot or so and then as you rengage contact move that front hand back and maintain your steady movement forward. Keep doing that back and forth Until you are near the end of the board. So the end goal is uniform pressure support of the board on both sides of the cutter head while providing a nice consistent feed rate with no stopping if possible. When you get to the end of the board (the last foot or so) move the back hand to the outbound side of the blade and leave the front hand where it was. Now maintain feed rate and focus on nice solid contact with the bed from both hands until the board is completely through the cutter head. The key to jointing is keeping that board in great contact with that nice big flat bed, especially at the beginning and at the end. It takes some practice but you will get it.
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« Reply #84 on: February 23, 2019, 01:31 AM »
You want to make sure the board is sitting 'naturally' on the bed, ie if it has a bow, don't push that bow down to contact the bed, otherwise you'll never actually straighten the board. The main objective of the planer is to give a dead straight face, and edge, to reference off when it comes time to thickness plane. Pressure in the wrong spot/s will give you a nice clean board, but not a straight one.
Always plane with the 'bow up' - the ends touching the bed, gap in the middle. Not middle touching, ends in the air.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2019, 01:34 AM by Lincoln »

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« Reply #85 on: February 23, 2019, 03:26 PM »
Thanks everyone! I am trying to adjust it now - so with the ruler trick, when turning cutter manually, I want it to JUST touch the carbide blade but NOT move the ruler. Is that right

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« Reply #86 on: February 23, 2019, 03:35 PM »
This is what I mean:

It seems it's already really close, but moving the ruler maybe 1-2 mm.


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« Reply #87 on: February 23, 2019, 08:24 PM »
@mattbyington it should just glaze it. Just make sure it pulls the ruler not lift it.

This is what I mean:

It seems it's already really close, but moving the ruler maybe 1-2 mm.

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« Reply #88 on: February 23, 2019, 09:22 PM »
This video was just posted by Jay Bates.  Nothing new really, but you might find parts of it interesting.


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« Reply #89 on: February 24, 2019, 10:38 AM »
I know I watched that as soon as it came out :)

Unfortunately no real technical help.

@RobBob I listened to the podcast - that’s exactly what I need to do. You’re right.

The manual isn’t very clear though. Anyone know of any pictures or video on the adjustment itself ?

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« Reply #90 on: February 24, 2019, 10:09 PM »
@mattbyington your cutter is way closer than 1-2mm. You need to rotate the head such that the leading edge of the insert is just touching the ruler. Not flat as you have shown. Try checking again before adjusting.

This is what I mean:

It seems it's already really close, but moving the ruler maybe 1-2 mm.

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« Reply #91 on: February 24, 2019, 10:24 PM »
@blaszcsj  got it thank you sir!! Will do!

Biggest issue right now is I don’t know how to adjust the outfeed table height. So I can’t adjust.

The instructions aren’t super clear. If anyone has any info or link I would be forever grateful!

I’m searching online but plan to call Felder technical support tomorrow!

Matt

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« Reply #92 on: February 24, 2019, 11:27 PM »
Turning the cutter should pull the ruler 2-3mm. Your machine looks to be calibrated correctly from the factory. Attached photo is from the Felder manual for my AD941.

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« Reply #93 on: February 24, 2019, 11:30 PM »
@egmiii thanks!! I wonder why I have snipe then. Maybe Just my technique ?

Matt

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« Reply #94 on: February 25, 2019, 07:03 AM »
@egmiii thanks!! I wonder why I have snipe then. Maybe Just my technique ?

Matt

First check to see if your infeed and outfeed tables are coplanar and not twisted. Seems to be a common complaint. If not you have found your problem. I'm not familiar with the setup procedure on the new style A3-31, when I had mine it was back in 2008 and I'm currently running an AD951 with a helical head from Hermance. Call Felder and they will give you the setup procedure. You also might consider joining the original FOG, more combined knowledge/info there than on these other forums.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #95 on: February 25, 2019, 11:40 AM »
Thanks @kcufstoidi !

I ordered one of those "dial indicators" on Amazon - I've seen on Youtube they use those with a piece of wood to measure the height of the tables relative to both ends of the cutter head to measure co-planer.

So, will do that! And hopefully figure it out!

Matt

Offline blaszcsj

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #96 on: February 25, 2019, 12:45 PM »
@mattbyington If you are going to check coplanarity at zero position, first you need to establish flatness of each table. This will establish if there any excessive twist or cupping. you can do this by using a reference straight edge (I have a 24" veritas and 48" peach tree straight edges). Check straight down the long axis of the bed in the front, middle, and back. Use feeler stock to determine any gaps. Then do the same across the table in the short direction, then finally again in an "X". This can then be repeated on the table/bed.

After you understand the tables you can then use the indicator or the straight edges to determine if they are co planer by checking the relationship between tables. With the tables at zero, you can extend the straight edge across the cutter and check to see if there is skew between tables: front, middle, back. Then check the pitch of tables by extending the straight edge further over the second table and you can do the same check to determine if the tables have any rise or fall in relation to each other.

Does that make sense?

Thanks @kcufstoidi !

I ordered one of those "dial indicators" on Amazon - I've seen on Youtube they use those with a piece of wood to measure the height of the tables relative to both ends of the cutter head to measure co-planer.

So, will do that! And hopefully figure it out!

Matt
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Offline egmiii

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #97 on: February 25, 2019, 02:00 PM »
Thanks @kcufstoidi !

I ordered one of those "dial indicators" on Amazon - I've seen on Youtube they use those with a piece of wood to measure the height of the tables relative to both ends of the cutter head to measure co-planer.

So, will do that! And hopefully figure it out!

Matt

Not sure which dial indicator you purchased, but the Oneway Multi Gauge is the right tool for the job. It’s not terribly expensive and you will find other uses for it as your tool collection grows.

Offline YOGO100

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #98 on: February 25, 2019, 02:39 PM »
I don't know if you have already seen this, but there is a thread on sawmillcreek where someone posted instructions (with pictures) on how to do some of the table adjustments (https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?198789-Hammer-A3-31-Hinge-side-adjustment). Also, Rob Porcaro (rpwoodwork.com) has a couple of posts on his blog about setting up a hammer jointer/planer. I have had an A3-31 for a couple of years, and have had to adjust the jointer table a couple of times (more than I expected to be honest). If I were you, however, I would use the machine for a while before trying too many adjustments to the tables. If you have never used a jointer before, moreover, I would suggest to find a local woodworking school (community college perhaps) to get a bit of instruction, as technique may certainly resolve some issues.

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #99 on: February 25, 2019, 05:28 PM »
Not sure which dial indicator you purchased, but the Oneway Multi Gauge is the right tool for the job. It’s not terribly expensive and you will find other uses for it as your tool collection grows.

Ditto.  Excellent tool and very handy in the shop.

There's a used one for sale listed at Sawmill Creek and WoodNet.
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #100 on: February 26, 2019, 10:29 AM »
@blaszcsj yes totally makes sense, thank you! That's what I was planning to do. I am hoping they are already flat and pretty co-planer. I think Felder checks them pretty carefully before shipping them out.

@egmiii thanks! I just found a highly rated one on Amazon. It was $50 I think. My thought is it doesn't matter too much how precise it is as long as it's accurate - meaning if it is a few thousands off, as long as it is a constant amount off I don't care what the actual number is I just care about the tables in relation to one another, and to the cutter head if that makes sense.

@YOGO100 yes I did! Thanks! But I couldn't view the pictures as I wasn't a forum member or something (that's a little silly right?). I'll go sign up and read it again.

@deepcreek thanks!

I jointed some cherry last night - looks awesome!

I found if I reduce my pressure downwards on the outfeed, I got less / almost zero snipe. So it very well could be my technique. We will see.

I have a call with Felder today and going to ask them about how and why they ship the outfield table lower than the cutter head.

Thanks all for such awesome help!

Hey PS - I ordered a custom Oneida air metal 120mm to 4" reducer, that just arrived yesterday - but on Saturday ended up going (on someone's suggestion in this forum!) to Rockler to get the schedule 40 PVC.

Anyone want the metal reducer? It looks like it's made pretty well.

Happy to ship it out for free (well you pay shipping but no cost on top of that) if it'd be useful to you.

I also have a Felder reducer coming today as well - we'll see if I use that / need that. If not you guys can have it too.

Matt

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #101 on: February 26, 2019, 11:17 AM »
If you don’t have a need for the Felder and Oneida reducers, I’ll gladly pay the shipping to get them.

I’m not exactly sure on why the outfeed table is set below the cutterhead, but that is the intended design across machines.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #102 on: February 26, 2019, 11:40 AM »
@egmiii you got it - PM me your shipping address and I can get it mailed out - might not be until this weekend but I'll try to do it this week.

On the sawmill creek thread they said so that if you join boards together that are long, there's a slight gap in the middle and when you apply clamping pressure, it closes that gap and also puts pressure on the ends (picture a dining room table top glue up).

Which actually makes sense. So maybe I won't fiddle with it and trust our Austrian friends did the right thing :)

Sometimes you gotta just ENJOY a new piece of equipment instead of finding something wrong with it (me talking to myself!)

Matt

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #103 on: February 26, 2019, 11:59 AM »
On the sawmill creek thread they said so that if you join boards together that are long, there's a slight gap in the middle and when you apply clamping pressure, it closes that gap and also puts pressure on the ends (picture a dining room table top glue up).

Which actually makes sense. So maybe I won't fiddle with it and trust our Austrian friends did the right thing :)

Sometimes you gotta just ENJOY a new piece of equipment instead of finding something wrong with it (me talking to myself!)

Matt

I agree, especially now that you're not getting snipe.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #104 on: February 26, 2019, 04:46 PM »
Matt, How high are we talking (outfeed table above top knife height)? In my experience all jointers are set 2-3 thousandths high in order to allow exit clearance so that the newly trimmed board’s end does not catch on the outfeed table as it leaves the cutter head. I have never heard of a jointer set up to crown boards?

Offline egmiii

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #105 on: February 26, 2019, 06:02 PM »
Felder calibrates the tables at the factory to produce a slight spring joint. This is done by adjusting the angle of the infeed table. The cutterhead height in relationship to the outfeed table does not come into play here. As the previous poster mentioned, it’s done to allow some clearance so the edge of the board doesn’t catch on the outfeed table. At least that how I understand it.

I wouldn’t suggest trying to adjust the tables to remove the spring joint unless you really know what you are doing and have the proper calibration tools to do so. A Starrett 199z precision level would make the job much easier. I would also opt for a steel straight edge as well. Big bucks unfortunately...

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #106 on: February 26, 2019, 06:31 PM »
Never assume that Felder sets their machines up for the NA market they don't. They setup for spring joint as mentioned. I've had 3 of their J/P's and help setup 6 others. Not one came from the factory without snipe when trying to do an edge joint let alone surface jointing. All needed tweaking and some alignment. When I questioned our Felder services techs all the said was it was within there specs. That and $1.50 will get you a coffee. There is absolutely no checks done on the machines between Felder Austria and your home, that's why they recommend commissioning. They come off the container, stored for short time and get shipped out. Get the proper setup instructions, the spring joint may work in some situations but really not very many especially when you get into larger and wider boards for glue ups. I've been on the Felder Owners Group since 2007 and J/P setup has been one of the constant complaints.

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #107 on: February 26, 2019, 10:49 PM »
@kcufstoidi Are there setup instructions outside those in the manual?

Never assume that Felder sets their machines up for the NA market they don't. They setup for spring joint as mentioned. I've had 3 of their J/P's and help setup 6 others. Not one came from the factory without snipe when trying to do an edge joint let alone surface jointing. All needed tweaking and some alignment. When I questioned our Felder services techs all the said was it was within there specs. That and $1.50 will get you a coffee. There is absolutely no checks done on the machines between Felder Austria and your home, that's why they recommend commissioning. They come off the container, stored for short time and get shipped out. Get the proper setup instructions, the spring joint may work in some situations but really not very many especially when you get into larger and wider boards for glue ups. I've been on the Felder Owners Group since 2007 and J/P setup has been one of the constant complaints.
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #108 on: February 27, 2019, 12:21 AM »
@egmiii hit the nail on the head and thanks @kcufstoidi for your view as well!

I connected with Ron at Felder today - he corrected me, I indeed thought the outfield table was set lower than the cutter head, but it's what egmii said - the indeed has a *slight* dip in it closer to the cutter head.

I went down and checked and I think that's right.

I just ran a few Walnut boards through, still getting some snipe.

I'll go take a picture to show you guys:

Let me know if you think this is normal or not - this is coming off the jointer and then the planer, down from 13/16 to about .625"

Matt


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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #109 on: February 27, 2019, 07:53 AM »
Blazscsj. Yes there are and they are different for the various J/Ps they sell and typically not found in the manual. That's why I said to contact Felder service and talk to service tech. There is typically a set of adjustment screws for both sides of the jointer table. The fence side are typically hidden behind access panels and the out board are obvious as they a used in conjunction with the table lock down system. Others have contacted the right people and got the instructions.

If you see a straight line across your board about 3" in from an end and its a several of thousands of inch lower, that's snipe, both the jointing and planing operations can induce it. Thats why proper jointing must be achieved first. If you get snipe in the planing operation then its typically improper pressure roller adjustment.

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #110 on: March 16, 2019, 09:14 PM »
@mattbyington - hello! I was curious how things are going with your A3 31? Have you been able to get some support from Hammer and has it resulted in improved cuts? Also are you happy with the dust collection?

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #111 on: March 17, 2019, 09:16 PM »
@kcufstoidi thank you!

@Alanbach I love it! I'm building my first piece of  furniture with it, so I'll keep you updated!

I did talk to someone @ Felder. I ended up not adjusting the machine.

Adjusting my technique helped a lot. Like not pushing down super hard on the infeed table.

The dust collection is wonderful!

Matt

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Re: (It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #112 on: March 17, 2019, 11:30 PM »
That’s great to hear!