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Offline mattbyington

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Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« on: December 14, 2018, 07:03 PM »
After a few months of debate - just ordered a Hammer A331. So excited.

Should arrive in early February they think.

Went for the spiral silent block carbide cutter head and moveable base.

Will post pics when it comes!

Big thanks to Ryan from the Felder group for answering all my questions.

Matt

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Offline rmhinden

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2018, 07:16 PM »
Cool!  Now you will also need a dust extraction system :-)

Bob

Offline travisj

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2018, 07:31 PM »
Congratulations!  I have their mobile base and the Silent Power cutterhead on mine as well.  I love it as I’m sure you will once it arrives.


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Offline mattbyington

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2018, 07:56 PM »
Thanks both!

Yes, going to get the Dust Right 650 CFM from Rockler

Matt

Offline RobBob

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2018, 07:59 PM »
Congratulations!  I have their mobile base and the Silent Power cutterhead on mine as well.  I love it as I’m sure you will once it arrives.


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Offline macrutt

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2018, 08:36 PM »
Matt ,

Congratulations , I have a MiniMax FS30 Smart .
Do take a long look at this dust collector,
https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/personal-shops/mini-gorilla

Take care George

Offline TomGadwa1

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2018, 12:04 AM »
I have that machine and it is a fantastic unit. However their mobility solution is a joke. I wound up making my own that was inspired by the sawstop setup which utilized a hydraulic piston to raise the weight of the saw. Turns out that the A3-31 is in the same weight range as a defect sized table saw. So I figured that something based on a hydraulic like the Sawstop setup would be ideal for my use. I have a Youtube video on my setup called Save your back. Trust me the stock setup is hazardous to your health if you value your back!!   Before I implemented my hydraulic lifter each time I moved my A3-31 with the old crappy stock setup my back hurt for days and days.  After my system was installed not only do I have no more back issues but if I want I can turn the unit around within its length. If you are in a small humble shop as am this is a huge benefit. I know you will be happy with your decision!! Don't forget the mechanical digital readout hand wheel for the thickness setting. Great accurate repeatable results!
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Offline RKA

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2018, 08:22 AM »
To put a finer point on one of the issues Tom raises...the factory mobility option will only move the machine perpendicular to the planer beds, which means you need a clear 5 ft swath to move the machine.  I think it was really designed to back the unit away from a wall and push it back again.  If your shop set up requires moving it the other way, there are lots of machine mobility platforms that can accomplish this.

Congrats on the new acquisition!  This should open up some options for you!
-Raj

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2018, 08:34 AM »
Congrats on your purchase.  I actually had the A3-31 and K3 Winner on order earlier in the year, but held off because I was looking for a small shop to lease at the time and didn't want to have them delivered to home and then move them.  I've decided to go with the Sawstop PCS now, but the A3 is still on the list. 

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2018, 02:57 PM »
Matt ,

Congratulations , I have a MiniMax FS30 Smart .
Do take a long look at this dust collector,
https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/personal-shops/mini-gorilla

Take care George

I have the Minimax FS30 Classic.  It produces copious amounts of shavings in planer mode.

Definitely invest in a good dust collector with easy bag changes.  I have a 30 gallon Oneida and it fills up FAST.

Recently, I was planing some 8/4 stock down to 6/4 for a countertop and filled up five bags in one afternoon.
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Offline travisj

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2018, 03:18 AM »
I will second that the “digital wheel” is worth it.  Expensive for what it is, but repeatability is awesome.  I stated in another thread that I have been making drawers for a cobbled together outfeed table (reusing scrap plywood).  I planed what I thought was enough 12mm oak, but I have had to go back and mill more on three different occasions.  It was nice to be able to quickly and easily mill up 12mm and 11.5mm boards that perfectly match the stuff I had done weeks ago.

As for a dust collector, for a jointer/planer it is mostly “fluff”, not fine dust.  I am contemplating a large Clear Vue cyclone, but I’m not sure where I could fit it inside or outside of my shop space.  The route I took was to build a cyclone.  I modified a Harbor Freight dust collector with the large Oneida Dust Deputy and a 30 gallon drum.  Including the remote and aforementioned parts, I’m into it for less than $300.  It works well with my SawStop and my A3-31.  I also use it as an oversized vacuum to clean up the shop.  I would definitely recommend my setup as a somewhat inexpensive solution.  The Hammer does fill the drum pretty quickly though.


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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2018, 10:02 PM »
Congrats! Just got mine not too long ago. Havent even gotten it all setup yet. Still on the pallet. Beast of a machine. Weighs a ton!
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2018, 02:10 PM »
Thanks everyone for the replies! I will definitely get the digital readout then!

Matt

Offline egmiii

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2018, 04:41 PM »
I'd suggest getting the gauge in metric if your comfortable with it. The imperial version is a bit harder to read when dealing with fractions. I briefly had both and preferred the metric version.

Offline online421

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2018, 08:34 PM »
congrats... quality gear is addictive and make you do more work happily. I am going to order a Profil 45 Z in 2020

it seems my AD951 was only delivered yesterday.... but it was 5 months ago already!!

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Offline egmiii

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2018, 09:14 PM »
I bet 2020 can't come fast enough for you! If I could get a 45 Z to fit through a 35" door, I'd buy it tomorrow. Problem is it has to fit through two 35" interior doors then travel down a finished staircase to my basement. Took me over a year to figure out a rig to get an AD941 down, but it eventually got done.

Offline RKA

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2018, 11:27 PM »
I bet 2020 can't come fast enough for you! If I could get a 45 Z to fit through a 35" door, I'd buy it tomorrow. Problem is it has to fit through two 35" interior doors then travel down a finished staircase to my basement. Took me over a year to figure out a rig to get an AD941 down, but it eventually got done.

Care to share the details around the process of getting the AD941 down there?  I was going to hire someone, but I’m not too confident they will heed instructions not to handle the machine by the beds.
-Raj

Offline egmiii

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2018, 11:36 PM »
I’ll need a little time to dig up the best photos and to outline the process. What I did was likely a huge engineering overkill, but I didn’t trust anyone else to do it properly. I called quite a few places. The riggers who were capable, didn’t want the job, and the movers who wanted the job, weren’t capable. 1400 pounds is no joke to move across a tile floor and down a staircase.

Offline RKA

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2018, 06:38 AM »
@egmiii Thanks, much appreciated!
-Raj

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2018, 07:43 AM »
Congratulations!!!

I’ve had 2 A3-41’s in my shop. The first was bought used and was a straight knife head. Loved it but took my local tech 2 days to adjust and level it out. Used that for 2 years then opted for a new one with the spiral cutter (sold it for more than I paid for it). I did the imperial dial but not fond of it. I’ll definitely be ordering the metric one this month.

FYI- mine weighed 967# we got it off the pallet by disassembling the pallet from underneath!  A couple small floor jacks, walking it down an inch each side. Crazy stuff. Couldn’t find a small pallet jack anywhere.


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Offline derekcohen

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2018, 08:57 AM »
Thanks both!

Yes, going to get the Dust Right 650 CFM from Rockler

Matt

That would be a waste of money ... and potentially hazardous for your health. You need a system that will suck up the fine dust, which is <0.3 microns. Those bags simply spread it around the shop.

You also need to build a dust collector for the future machines. This is a minimum of 3 hp DC and 6" hoses. The Hammer uses 5" hoses, which requires surgery to convert them to 6". I will do this with mine (Hammer's A3-31, K3, and N4400), which currently use 5" hose.

Get the digital gauge. This is an essential piece of equipment.

Regards from Perth

Derek


Offline RKA

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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2018, 09:46 AM »
I'm not sure if you noticed Derek, but that dust collector has an optional 1 micron filter cartridge.  That coupled with an open garage door allowing air to circulate should keep the air pretty clear. 

I did recently order an inexpensive (~$40) particle counter from eBay after watching a Peter Millard video.  It's accuracy is questionable, but the relative changes from a still shop to a working shop should give me better insight about what's happening with the air quality in my basement.  If it appears to be helpful, I can post a link.  Might be a week or two (or more) before it gets here (from Hong Kong).
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Offline derekcohen

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2018, 11:43 AM »
I hate to say it, but 1 micron is not good enough. It is the sub-0.3 micron dust that we have to worry about.

The blurb I read stated, " .. flow rate of 650 CFM ...  the inlet accepts standard 4'' hose. The collector includes a 30-micron bag". That is far from impressive.

Regards from Perth

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2018, 01:52 PM »
Thanks both!

Yes, going to get the Dust Right 650 CFM from Rockler

Matt

That would be a waste of money ... and potentially hazardous for your health. You need a system that will suck up the fine dust, which is <0.3 microns. Those bags simply spread it around the shop.

You also need to build a dust collector for the future machines. This is a minimum of 3 hp DC and 6" hoses. The Hammer uses 5" hoses, which requires surgery to convert them to 6". I will do this with mine (Hammer's A3-31, K3, and N4400), which currently use 5" hose.

Get the digital gauge. This is an essential piece of equipment.

Regards from Perth

Derek


Now that you mention it I would LOVE to add say a 4" dust port in the front of the N4400 under the table like the Felders have. That would be so nice!
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2018, 07:13 PM »
Thanks so much for all the replies everyone. I really appreciate all of the insight.

With regard to the readout - sounds like metric is the way to go. Thanks for that tip!

With regard to dust collection - @derekcohen thanks for the reply! I really appreciate you taking the time to warn me.

So, @RKA is right - the standard bag it comes with IS 30 micron but they do make both 5 micron and 1 micron bags.

My plan was to get the DC *with* the optional cartridge filter AND the 1 micron bag.

I also have overhead air cleaning  (Jet ABS 1000) .

Lastly, I'm going to be putting the DC into a little closet in my garage that is closed off (via a door, it is its own room) from the main part of the garage, and run the DC through the wall with:

https://www.rockler.com/through-the-wall-dust-right-port-kit

Do we think that'll b sufficient or should I really look for a different DC?

Between the A331, and all the DC+ electrical work I need to support it, trying to keep costs at least a LITTLE down :)

Matt

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2018, 08:34 PM »
Matt ,

Some good links:
http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm#index.cfm
https://www.finewoodworking.com/tag/dust-collection

As Derek points out .3 micron is a good goal . The first link I sent , the Oneida mini gets that.

Take care George

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2018, 08:37 PM »
@macrutt thanks george!

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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2018, 08:49 PM »
Matt ,

You are welcome .
Sadly only 1 pr. of lungs each . [sad]

Take care George

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2018, 05:27 PM »
I ordered my C341 last month but I have to wait until April 2019 to receive. I went for the silent power, mobility kit, digital read out, 200mm sliding table, table extensions. I am considering have a tech come out to the house and setup and calibrate the machine for an extra fee. Has anyone used that service?
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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2018, 06:07 PM »
I ordered my C341 last month but I have to wait until April 2019 to receive. I went for the silent power, mobility kit, digital read out, 200mm sliding table, table extensions. I am considering have a tech come out to the house and setup and calibrate the machine for an extra fee. Has anyone used that service?

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Offline egmiii

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2018, 09:50 PM »
@smbobby It would be in your best interest to join the Yahoo Felder Owners Group. It's a private group, requiring a brief account setup process. The members there will quickly and effectively guide you on how to make the best decision regarding the commissioning process. This question is answered every few weeks.

Nice saw BTW...

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2018, 02:19 AM »
I ordered my C341 last month but I have to wait until April 2019 to receive. I went for the silent power, mobility kit, digital read out, 200mm sliding table, table extensions. I am considering have a tech come out to the house and setup and calibrate the machine for an extra fee. Has anyone used that service?
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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2018, 12:32 AM »
Got my A3-41 two days ago.  I work in a fairly cramped garage and need longitudinal movement, so the Hammer mobility kit was out for me as well.  Going to have a base welded up and run four Great Lakes Casters, although that will probably be after the new year.  I had my garage wired up a separate panel with four 220 outlets on four different circuits a few years back, so power won't be a problem, though space is.  This is a pretty big step up for me.  Very excited.



Getting it into the garage wasn't so bad. I don't have the space for a pallet jack, but I do have a Johnson bar that makes moving heavy things reasonably easy.  Had my little helper work the Johnson bar while I shoved a couple of furniture dollies under the crate.  Slid in like butter.


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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2018, 12:12 PM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
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« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2018, 12:45 PM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
Got any plans for that lifting table cart you built in that second pic? That looks useful.
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« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2018, 03:42 PM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
Got any plans for that lifting table cart you built in that second pic? That looks useful.

I watched a YouTube video of some guy, way sharper than myself.  I was able to reproduce something close.  I will try to find the link to share.
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« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2018, 03:46 PM »
Congrats on the new JP - I have have my Hammer for going on  10 years now and it is running just as well as when I bought it - the newer table and new head is certainly an upgrade.

For casters, just use Zambus casters - you can widen the holes on each corner slightly to accommodate the 10mm stud on the casters. I have had those on mine since day one with no issues. No real need to weld a base of anything. And they are self-leveling. Similar to the Great Lakes brand.

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2018, 04:10 PM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
Got any plans for that lifting table cart you built in that second pic? That looks useful.

Here it is:

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« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2018, 01:58 AM »
I really enjoy my Hammer A3 41, had it for 8 mos now.  I second the Oneida vacs, works great for my setup.  Here’s a picture of the ramps I built to get it off the pallet.  Quite the experience in itself!  I also made a simple lift table to catch wood coming out the planer.  Congrats on the purchase!
Got any plans for that lifting table cart you built in that second pic? That looks useful.

Here it is:


Got it, and yea I’ve seen that one too. Crazy how much work he put into that thing! Pretty sure Id have just bought a premade metal one before going through all that though!
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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2018, 08:31 PM »
@mattbyington just ordered one as well with the year end clearance sale going on. Selling off my dw735 and pm60 with shelix on both to pay for most of it. I’m excited about the space savings.
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« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2018, 08:57 PM »
@blaszcsj have you sold the PM60 yet?

PM me with details please if it is still available.

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Offline mattbyington

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Re: Just ordered a Hammer A331!
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2019, 05:16 PM »
Well team, got the new dust collector setup this morning finally (had been sitting in the garage for 2 weeks, holiday time w/ family et cetera).

The clear hose from Rockler was delayed (backordered) and should come in a week or so. But I got it hooked up.

Having a beer to work up the courage to cut a 4" hole in the wall downstairs :) to use Rockler's through-wall dust port.

I decided to mount this in the closet area of the garage - and run hose through the wall right to the machine.

I'll post some more pics sometime that make it more clear.

Matt