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Offline Dane

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Kapex competition
« on: May 29, 2017, 03:34 PM »
Well, this looks promising:  http://toolguyd.com/makita-18v-x2-brushless-miter-saw-xsl06-with-bluetooth-dust-collection-activation/

Forward rail design. Both corded and corded versions.  Dual dust ports.  Bluetooth thing seems silly, but whatever.

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Offline Svar

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2017, 04:31 PM »
Having both rails on one side and handle on the opposite is not a good approach. You'd want to minimize skew and lateral defection during plunge as much as possible by going with symmetric design.
Dual dust port seems clever.
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Offline antss

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2017, 05:01 PM »
Bluetooth vac activation silly ?    :o

You mean silly like all the guys round here asking if their battery operated carvex and TS/HK  saws could somehow incorporate triggering their vacs ?

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2017, 07:03 PM »
Nah, Id never commit to a battery for something like a miter saw. And wow all that thought it looks like they put into that dust collection and in the video the guy said the dust collection was on and all I could see was dust EVERYWHERE! And Bluetooth in a miter saw?! I guess they need some way to automatically activate the vacuum since its not power through it. But that does sound funny.

Cool that the companies are starting to really innovate, but nothing here thats going to talk me out of my Bosch 12" Glide.
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2017, 08:31 PM »
the guy said the dust collection was on and all I could see was dust EVERYWHERE!


Echo that.

My Kapex doesn't have dual dust ports but seems to be far better than what is seen in the vid.
If my Kapex dies, I'd get the Bosch.

To me, the first cut was made with the hand a bit too close to the blade, although I have seen Frank Klauz's hand even closer to a spinning blade in one of his videos. I always keep my hand outside the danger zone as marked on the turntable.

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Offline Bohdan

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2017, 08:40 PM »
Dual dust ports.

Pity only the top one was connected and it looks like the bottom one is the main dust collector.

Offline Aussie

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2017, 09:07 PM »
That does look interesting.
I like the cordless vacuum that can work off a cord also.
I don't know why they wouldn't make the cordless saw do the same.

Offline The.Handyman

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2017, 10:44 PM »
Dual dust ports.

Pity only the top one was connected and it looks like the bottom one is the main dust collector.
These aren't final production models, that's why both dust ports weren't hooked up. The dust collection will be amazing on both versions of this saw, the cordless and corded model.

I hope they release a 12" model. I would choose this over the Bosch 12" glide saws.

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2017, 10:44 PM »
Metabo had a miter saw with through the table and rear port collection years ago and even  a model that collected dust at 3 points. I am not sure if they still make them, but I always wondered why those  were not sold in the US, at least I could never find them. If I remember they even had an induction motor version. They were Blue in color if memory serves me.
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Offline Northern Early

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2017, 02:57 AM »
Cool that the companies are starting to really innovate, but nothing here thats going to talk me out of my Bosch 12" Glide.

The DW790 is identical to the 780 with batteries which is a classically trained saw. The batteries have come in clutch a few times as well. i do love my hitachis though.

Offline LooseSox

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2017, 05:16 AM »
i do love my hitachis though.

+1 to that!

I'm running a Hitachi C10FSH and it serves me very well. Yeah it's old school with rails out the back and needs spanners to set blade depth for trenching cuts, but after a couple hours of setup and some custom zero clearance inserts and fences, accuracy is on par with if not better than the kapexes I've used and dust collection is 90% as good. Plus it slices through 50x200mm redgum and jarrah with ease, something I struggled with using a kapex last week.

Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2017, 07:29 AM »
Metabo had a miter saw with through the table and rear port collection years ago and even  a model that collected dust at 3 points. I am not sure if they still make them, but I always wondered why those  were not sold in the US, at least I could never find them. If I remember they even had an induction motor version. They were Blue in color if memory serves me.

Hi, I know of the Dewalt version, if you remember seeing a blue one it must have been an old elu version. They still make that model, but have a lot of different versions of it (even a few cordless), they all start with dws 77.. Milwaukee also sells a similar looking scms here, but I don't know if they have a similar three point dustcollection accessory for it.

(I took my time looking at the dewalt site, meanwhile you changed your post to metabo; but dewalt definately has the three point extraction)
/edit looking at the timestamp of your edit I think I just imagined I read dewalt in your post ;)
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2017, 11:11 AM »
Dual dust ports.

Pity only the top one was connected and it looks like the bottom one is the main dust collector.
Ah, didnt even catch that only the top dust port was hooked up!
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Offline online421

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2017, 07:34 PM »
Makita as Kapex competition?

Thought Makita is more of a builders tool and Kapex is boutique joinery/professional hobbyist...

If I ever have to move back to a simpler dropsaw, It will be an Omga T50 350, I had one before and sold it when I upgraded to my current double mitre saw AL129.

If you think Kapex is accurate than you need to go and see your local Omga dealer or whoever has one, the whole saw is cast iron apart from the plastic blade guard.


The list price of a T50 is $4300 USD for a basic model, if you want its own stand and other bits and pieces, it can quickly make ones eye watery.

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2017, 07:58 PM »
Makita as Kapex competition?

Thought Makita is more of a builders tool and Kapex is boutique joinery/professional hobbyist...

If I ever have to move back to a simpler dropsaw, It will be an Omga T50 350, I had one before and sold it when I upgraded to my current double mitre saw AL129.

If you think Kapex is accurate than you need to go and see your local Omga dealer or whoever has one, the whole saw is cast iron apart from the plastic blade guard.


The list price of a T50 is $4300 USD for a basic model, if you want its own stand and other bits and pieces, it can quickly make ones eye watery.

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I imagine that a cast iron drop saw would not be as portable as my Kapex.   [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2017, 08:13 PM »
Makita as Kapex competition?

Thought Makita is more of a builders tool and Kapex is boutique joinery/professional hobbyist...

If I ever have to move back to a simpler dropsaw, It will be an Omga T50 350, I had one before and sold it when I upgraded to my current double mitre saw AL129.

If you think Kapex is accurate than you need to go and see your local Omga dealer or whoever has one, the whole saw is cast iron apart from the plastic blade guard.


The list price of a T50 is $4300 USD for a basic model, if you want its own stand and other bits and pieces, it can quickly make ones eye watery.

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I imagine that a cast iron drop saw would not be as portable as my Kapex.   [big grin] [big grin]

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Peter you are correct, the Omga is not as portable as the Kapex  [big grin]
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2017, 11:52 AM »
I wish Omga would make a good sliding miter saw! I was considering buying the 1P 300, but the cut capacity of a non-sliding miter saw is just not enough for as often as I need extra cut capacity on my miter saw.
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Offline live4ever

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2017, 01:54 PM »
When my Kapex dies I'll probably go with the Bosch Glide or the Dewalt combo saw, but kudos to Makita for continuing to push miter saw tech.  I really like the DW Flexvolt concept so unless that saw is a dog compared to the Bosch in terms of accuracy and ergonomics, it would probably be the one I'd get.
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Offline The.Handyman

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2017, 02:56 PM »
When my Kapex dies I'll probably go with the Bosch Glide or the Dewalt combo saw, but kudos to Makita for continuing to push miter saw tech.  I really like the DW Flexvolt concept so unless that saw is a dog compared to the Bosch in terms of accuracy and ergonomics, it would probably be the one I'd get.
The FlexVolt is a phenomenal saw! I love mine. Currently working to improve the dust collection a bit. It's still much better than the Bosch glide saw.

Offline Brandon

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2017, 06:44 PM »
I'm looking to replace my Kapex soon but this is not the answer for me. I'll likely go with the Bosch also. Portability is not something I care about, my Kapex pretty much sits in my shop. Might go out 3 times a year. It sees use daily.
I'm hoping another alternative saw comes out, can't bring myself to buy anything Dewalt.
If Festool made a dependable miter saw I'd buy it but the Kapex is not that.

Offline ewils91

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2017, 07:24 PM »
Dewalt had a scms that had both rails on the same side (stacked vertically) a long time ago. As I remember it, the rails allowed the blade to flex from side to side more than the now more traditional rails placed side by side. I wonder if Makita has been able to overcome that.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2017, 07:54 PM »
When my Kapex dies I'll probably go with the Bosch Glide or the Dewalt combo saw, but kudos to Makita for continuing to push miter saw tech.  I really like the DW Flexvolt concept so unless that saw is a dog compared to the Bosch in terms of accuracy and ergonomics, it would probably be the one I'd get.
The FlexVolt is a phenomenal saw! I love mine. Currently working to improve the dust collection a bit. It's still much better than the Bosch glide saw.

I have the FlexVolt Mitre and Tablesaws and am more than satisfied with them. Dewalt has leaped ahead of the pack with the FLEXVOLT system. These are first Dewalt tools I have purchased in at least 15 years (other than their small portable tablesaw) so I was slow to purchase. I also popped for the blower, but that might be it for me. I never have liked their drills as they have always been to heavy for me. The Festool drills are more than adequate and much more friendly on arms for long periods of use.

I have had a Kapex that has worked perfectly since the day I bought it. The price was high when it was released and now it is insane. Anyone thinking about buying a mitre saw needs to look elsewhere considering for the same money you can buy two of the FLEXVOLT saws and be corded or cordless. Most of the Festools lineup is worthy of the price, but the Kapex is not one of them.

Offline oneeyesquare

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2017, 06:18 AM »
I'm gonna try the corded version when it comes out July (hoping Makita is being accurate, not optimistic on release dates)

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Re: Kapex competition
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2017, 09:45 AM »
Makita as Kapex competition?

Thought Makita is more of a builders tool and Kapex is boutique joinery/professional hobbyist...

If I ever have to move back to a simpler dropsaw, It will be an Omga T50 350, I had one before and sold it when I upgraded to my current double mitre saw AL129.

If you think Kapex is accurate than you need to go and see your local Omga dealer or whoever has one, the whole saw is cast iron apart from the plastic blade guard.


The list price of a T50 is $4300 USD for a basic model, if you want its own stand and other bits and pieces, it can quickly make ones eye watery.

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$4300 already makes my eyes watery.
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