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Offline ear3

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Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« on: January 29, 2017, 02:38 PM »
Was looking at the Lamello Zeta P2, and noticed that the ones sold in America are rated at 800Watts, while the European ones are 1050.  I might have the opportunity to buy a 1050W version, but can this be used in the States (assuming it's prewired for 110V)?
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Offline Kev

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2017, 02:50 PM »
I thought they were all 800w .. need to go and look at mine when I can get at it. When I purchased mine it deffo said 800w on the brochure for the Zeta P2.

Offline ear3

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2017, 02:55 PM »
On this site it's listed as 1050, though also 230V:

http://www.lamello.com/en/home/join-wood/p-system/zeta-p2.html

The one I'm looking at is being sold in the states, but, the listing says 1050W and 110V. 
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Offline Kev

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2017, 03:01 PM »
It's quite possible they simply updated the motor. The brochure I looked at linked to my local supplier had the machine in a classic systainer, yet mine came in a t-loc ... so the brochure was obviously old.

I've got most of my tools back our of storage now - I'll see if I cam lay my hands on it and check.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2017, 04:11 PM »
Was looking at the Lamello Zeta P2, and noticed that the ones sold in America are rated at 800Watts, while the European ones are 1050.  I might have the opportunity to buy a 1050W version, but can this be used in the States (assuming it's prewired for 110V)?

https://www.timberwolftools.com/tools/protool/converter.html

And the tools in 230v are usually less $.

Offline ear3

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2017, 04:50 PM »
FYI: after corresponding with the seller, this is almost certainly a fake/scam listing:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01J1FSPUQ/ref=dp_olp_used_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=used

He wouldn't answer my question about the wattage issues, even after multiple, point blank follow-ups (just kept repeating the product description info), and then asked me to submit my information outside the Amazon system directly to him.  If a price is too good to be true, it usually is...
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2017, 04:55 PM »
i looks the same as was listed under a different name a few days ago. I sent a question and it smelled like a scam and the listing was pulled.

Offline ear3

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Lol.  I just checked his storefront, and every single item there is listed at $499!  I'm sending a violation report to Amazon...

https://www.amazon.com/sp?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B01J1FSPUQ&isAmazonFulfilled=0&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&orderID=&seller=A2UZ65GY1BTN6I&tab=&vasStoreID=


i looks the same as was listed under a different name a few days ago. I sent a question and it smelled like a scam and the listing was pulled.
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Offline Rip Van Winkle

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2017, 08:31 PM »
Lamello doesn't manufacture their own motors. The motors they use sre manufactured for them by other power tool manufacturers who supply motors. The motor on the Zeta appears to be made by Suhner. It also looks like suhner supplies the motors for a number of the other Lamello tools. Some of the lower cost Lamello tools used to use Metabo motors. There are one or two larger Lamello tools that aren't sold in the USA that may use a motor from someone else.

Offline ear3

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2017, 09:28 PM »
@Holmz or anyone else familiar with moving down from 230/40 to 110/120 -- there's no issue with running a European power tool on a 110 circuit using a step-down transformer?  The 230V Lamello is significantly cheaper through Axminster than the American model here is in the US, and so I'm tempted to go international on this one.

Also, does anyone know the difference between the diamond blade and the carbide blade on the Lamello?  The kit that comes with the diamond blade is significantly more expensive, and so I'm wondering what justifies the added cost.

Was looking at the Lamello Zeta P2, and noticed that the ones sold in America are rated at 800Watts, while the European ones are 1050.  I might have the opportunity to buy a 1050W version, but can this be used in the States (assuming it's prewired for 110V)?

https://www.timberwolftools.com/tools/protool/converter.html

And the tools in 230v are usually less $.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2017, 09:39 PM by Edward A Reno III »
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Offline denovo

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2017, 10:59 PM »
Buying from Canada might be a middle ground and you wouldn't have to worry about the transformer

http://www.atlas-machinery.com/lamello-zeta-p2-profile-groove-biscuit-joiner-with-carbide-blade-in-systainer/

Offline Holmz

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2017, 02:46 AM »
The transformer works when the tool does not draw a lot.
Or you run a 220v (US) to an shumko (EU) female.

The transformer into a vacuum will make the vacuum run non stop, so...

Offline Kev

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2017, 03:23 AM »
FWIW mine is fairly new and it's 1050w, just checked.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2017, 03:30 AM »
Have you put it to god1 use yet @Kev ?








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Offline Kev

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2017, 03:47 AM »
Have you put it to god1 use yet @Kev ?

I took delivery just before I started preparing the house for sale .. to take a picture I had to move about 40 systainers to find it [sad]

(They're out of storage now but not organised)

It probably won't come out to play till I build my new shop.








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Offline Holmz

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2017, 03:52 AM »
Well it should work for one of those Kaos walls.

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2017, 04:27 AM »
@Edward A Reno III
If you are anything other than a light user or you are using the Zeta on man made boards you will be better off with the diamond blade as the standard blade will dull after some use.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kind of **** to drink it.......

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Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2017, 07:21 AM »
"Also, does anyone know the difference between the diamond blade and the carbide blade on the Lamello?  The kit that comes with the diamond blade is significantly more expensive, and so I'm wondering what justifies the added cost."

The cost of Diamond blades/tooling is significantly more than carbide usually 4 to 10 times more but in return the tooling needs less frequent sharpening. High use operations typically will go for diamond. If you were going to be making a couple of hundred cuts a day, everyday you might consider the extra cost.

John

Offline RKA

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2017, 10:59 AM »
I can't add much to the conversation, but here is a shot of the sticker on mine. Looks to be a Sept 2015 date of manufacture looking at the 4 digits preceding the SN. This one came in the old finger jointed wooden box.

As far as the blade, my thinking was carbide works well enough for the rest of my cutters and it will not see production usage. I doubt lamello is providing a cutter with low grade carbide. I haven't really given this one a workout so I can't speak to its durability.
-Raj

Offline Holmz

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2017, 03:21 PM »
So it the 110v motors that have 800W and the 230v have 1050?

I suppose that it is possible that there could be a low grade of carbide, but is there really?

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2017, 04:13 PM »
I guess it depends of what you consider low grade carbide, as with most metals there is a myriad choices. The trick is choosing the carbide for the given operation and material being worked.

https://www.federalcarbide.com/tungsten_carbide_grade_app_guide.html

As far as power goes the 230v units shown are all 50HZ while the 110V units are 50/60HZ this maybe a big part of the equation to keep the RPM the same.

John

Offline ear3

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Re: Lamello 800W vs. 1050W
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2017, 06:29 PM »
Thanks for all the info guys.  I like the idea of the Canada option, which is only a little more costly, it looks like, than sourcing it from Europe.
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