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Offline Alan m

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little giant ladders
« on: December 02, 2011, 05:01 PM »
hi there.

 im thinking of getting a small ladder that will fit in my small van. i would like one that can be used as a a frame  and as a ladder to get me up into an attic or up to soffet level.

i am looking at at the little giant ladders. i think one of them should so everything  i need.
i was quoted 300 euro for a small 3 foot one. it should extend to 10 feet  and be big enough for reaching ceilings etc. this includes an attachment to hold the the ladder away from the wall .

any opinions on the ladders and how they will work for what i want.

is this a good deal.
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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2011, 05:14 PM »
I have seen them before bit never researched them until now! 

Just watched some videos!  Love it!  I'm getting one!!  Now!
http://www.midlandladders.com/products/6_Rung_Little_Giant_Professional-414-74.html


6run version!


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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2011, 05:23 PM »
Alan

They are good ladders. A couple of things about them...make sure that you (or anyone under your watch) using one knows how to use it. Some horrible accidents occur when these things are not set up and locked in properly.

Also, while I think they are very handy, I would not want it to be my only, or even primary, ladder type. They are a little cumbersome for many applications. Lightweight aluminum extensions are the easiest to deal with on a daily basis.

There are also straight telescoping ladders that are pretty good if you just want something that is convenient for transport and occasional use.

All of the specialty ladders like this are priced a good bit higher than conventional extensions.

Offline neth27

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2011, 05:24 PM »
It looks like something you would get from QVC  [big grin]

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Offline Deansocial

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2011, 05:25 PM »
i looked at some recently and found them heavy to be honest

Offline JD2720

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2011, 05:25 PM »
I bought my first Little Giant Ladder in 1992. I now have 6 of them. I have 2 each of the model 13, 17 & 22. Mine are the classic style. They do not have the rollers on them.
I carry 1 model 13 in my truck & take the others as needed, depending on the job. I love them & now hate using any other types ladders. They work great on steps.
I also have all of the accessories. I use the platform step the most.


Offline VSM_4

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2011, 05:34 PM »
An old boss of mine had one.  I too found it to be a bit heavy and a PITA to set up sometimes.  The locking pins on his were VERY hard to pull out and get to lock properly.    

It could have been that the one I used was old, but it sure as heck didn't set up as easy as the guy in the video makes it seem.  The new model looks much lighter.

I also found that we hardly ever utilized its nifty features; it was just a heavy folding ladder.


There are also straight telescoping ladders that are pretty good if you just want something that is convenient for transport and occasional use.

I haven't use one of those before, but it looks a little sketchy.  
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Offline andvari

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2011, 05:38 PM »
While they can be useful the price is a bit high. The patents on the design have expired so at least in the US you can find reasonable quality knockoffs like Werner at Home Despot etc. for less.



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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2011, 06:11 PM »
I have the 22' version of the Little Giant. I use it for all kinds of things - but it is heavy. It is also a small system in itself.
I have the roller version (two wheels on one of the extensions) with the platform and the leveling leg. All of which I have used in the last week.
I also have a compatible spreader (for going across windows) and a couple of other items I regularly use with it.
I find I often use it with  only one extension piece - the one that also has the leveler attached and usually (not always) at the bottom. (the extension also makes a good spreader!) This also reduces the weight.
As with all ladders you need to think safety. Always ensure the locks are in place!
I find it cumbersome to work with (as in put up) in small spaces, however given it can be a 22' ladder as well a smaller version might be more appropriate. It is often a case of using what I have, rather than the 'right tool for the job'.
I need to lubricate it on occasions - the hinges and locks do get stiff.
But once you get the hang of them they are great for stairs or working where regular ladders will not go. As a step ladder they can go up against a wall or safely up a half flight of stairs.
The wide base on the extensions makes them a little more stable than regular ladders, but you can always add a stabilizer onto regular ladders.
I did not buy the extendible platform as in most cases it was too long for my typical usage. However I have seen them in use and would recommend them over a fixed length plank. 
When standing at the lower end the double rungs are easier on the feet. The platform is easy on the feet and great for putting things on when used as a step ladders platform.
There are copies - and variations.
I got very good support and service from the manufacturer when I needed some new feet.
I also have regular stepladders (much easier to pull out for a small job).
When folded they will stand up by themselves - but could easily blow over.
I do not do much electrical work - these are metal remember.

The true test - would I buy another?
Yes. but as I am getting older I would buy the next size down, simply because of the weight.
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Offline Alan m

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2011, 06:22 PM »
this wouldnt be a replament for a good extension ladder  (i have a three part ladder that will easily reach the ridge of my house). this will be used for work inside houses  and light work on the exterior. mostly fitting  appliances, painting, filling etc, getting int attics to insulate them. fitting soffet vents , lights, pipes, etc. mostly light quick work situations where scaffold isnt required ( i would set up2 trusses and a few planks when needed).

the reason im looking at these is that i can have it permenently in the van  , i dont need to put it on the roof (could be robbed, gets wet(people dont like puddles on their carpet), also i would have it all the time so if a situation pops up i have it. no more asking around to borrow a ladder.

i know it heavy but there are a lot of parts to it. it would be worse if it was too light.

the cheaper knock offs seam more plentyfull in the us than over here.
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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2011, 06:33 PM »
They are excellent and as others have pointed out they can be heavy - mine is the 22' one and tough to manouever in small spaces but really well made and reliable. Mine's taken a beating over the years but all the latches still work fine.  Since the patents expired, I've seen very similar ladders priced much cheaper though. If you need to work on stairs occasionally, the are invaluable for that. I'd certainly recommend them but also would look for less expensive alternatives that are available now

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2011, 06:41 PM »
I acquired my first Little Giant, a 17' one, in 1980.  It shows some signs of wear, and it can be considered a bit heavy, but given its sturdiness, I'll take it.  

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2011, 07:05 PM »
I have the 21' Gorilla brand one. It's a Little Giant knock off, but was around $150 (I think ???)
It is very handy, but it's heavy.
I normally use step ladders and extension ladders, but this type of ladder definitely has a place in the trades.
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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2011, 09:07 PM »
I've had the 17 for about 12 years and it's the first ladder I grab when I need to go up - it is very stable with the splayed legs.  The only thing I don't like is the splayed legs when you have it setup as a straight ladder -  it is a little uncomfortable to get off when up against a roof.

As far as sticky latches go, I spray mine with a graphite lubricant occasionally and they work fine.  I have the work platform and use it to hold paint as well as standing on it.

I'd recommend it because it is stable and easy to carry.  I just stick one arm through and carry it on one shoulder upright.
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Offline Steve R

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2011, 09:57 PM »
hi there.

 im thinking of getting a small ladder that will fit in my small van. i would like one that can be used as a a frame  and as a ladder to get me up into an attic or up to soffet level.

i am looking at at the little giant ladders. i think one of them should so everything  i need.
i was quoted 300 euro for a small 3 foot one. it should extend to 10 feet  and be big enough for reaching ceilings etc. this includes an attachment to hold the the ladder away from the wall .

any opinions on the ladders and how they will work for what i want.

is this a good deal.


Do you have a model number?

I just did all the resource this last summer and had quite a long thread going here .

I ended up buying the Type 1A Revolution XE Model 22. It stores as a 5'7" package, it will go from a "A" frame 5' to 9'. Or as a normal ladder, of 11' to 19'  US price is now $399. It can split into 2 "A" ladders and you can put a scaffold at 3'.

In a house you don't want to be putting the ladder against the wall. I can set it up and reach a 12' ceiling without touching a wall.

The only downside to owning a Little Giant ladder is you will want more and more. Just like Festool.  It is a system and it all works well together.

Cheers,
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Offline Alan m

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2011, 02:50 AM »
i dont have a part no as i was ringing off of a mobile and only wanted a price.
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Offline William Herrold

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2011, 05:36 AM »
Now it's locked!.....   (Cut to 30 seconds to see the gravity demonstration)


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Offline joiner1970

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2011, 06:13 AM »
Love that William  [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

Alan do you have screwfix in Ireland ? I bought one of those multi ladders from them last year and its great. Very well made and strong enough for TRADE use it came with a platform too so you can use it as a scaffold.


this is the one I have as you can see it gets good reviews.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/multipurpose-ladder-with-platform-4-section-3-rung-3-34m/27581

Offline jmbfestool

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2011, 08:12 AM »
Alan

They are good ladders. A couple of things about them...make sure that you (or anyone under your watch) using one knows how to use it. Some horrible accidents occur when these things are not set up and locked in properly.

Also, while I think they are very handy, I would not want it to be my only, or even primary, ladder type. They are a little cumbersome for many applications. Lightweight aluminum extensions are the easiest to deal with on a daily basis.

There are also straight telescoping ladders that are pretty good if you just want something that is convenient for transport and occasional use.

All of the specialty ladders like this are priced a good bit higher than conventional extensions.

I got one of those telescopic xtend ladders years ago still go it now!  It's like new only used it a couple of times!  Extends upto 3.8m I think!  Horrible don't like it at all they are handy for surveying or just checking something but for working of NO!! 

Fully extended they bend a lot they don't feel solid they are not for heavy use and so i wouldn't carry a lot of stuff on me while going up them ladders.   

I'm with Alan I have plenty of steps and ladders but these little big ladders seem a nice set of ladders to have in your van all the time but if your on a job longer than a couple of days I could bring my proper scafolding or ladders onto the job instead.


My local dealer has a set of the little big ladders but a knock of version and it feels a little cheap and crappy so I won't be bothering with them ones.

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2011, 08:16 AM »
jmb

+1 on that.

Just to clarify for other readers, the Little Giant is more of a heavy duty solution than the xtend & climb. We use the x & c just as a convenience tool where we have to access one area for a short time. Not a day in day out, all day long deal. Just a convenience. Easy to load and navigate up through a stairway to reach a short cathedral ceiling than our shortest extension which is 16' or 8+ collapsed.

The Little Giant is definitely more heavy duty and offers alot more configurations, but as noted above, I dont like those as a daily ladder either, for painting at least. We ned lighter weight mobility when getting around a house. Also, I have never liked the platform feature of them. I would much rather set up a baker for that. I like a good 24" of width under me at least. Don't like having to watch every single step.

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2011, 08:17 AM »
Love that William  [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

Alan do you have screwfix in Ireland ? I bought one of those multi ladders from them last year and its great. Very well made and strong enough for TRADE use it came with a platform too so you can use it as a scaffold.


this is the one I have as you can see it gets good reviews.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/multipurpose-ladder-with-platform-4-section-3-rung-3-34m/27581


Not from me!  I got a set of them years ago and not really fond of them really dont ever use them just sit in the garage gathering dust they don't feel safe as a platform for standing on unless you have a totally flat ground to sit them on and even then if you lent forward they could tip away from you.


I don't rate them.

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2011, 10:38 AM »
I *can't stand* skimpy ladders. I personally wont go anywhere near the fold-up jobs.  Any ladder with skimpy narrow rungs that cut the circulation off in the arch of the foot is also a no-no.
I own 3 Warner fiberglass, and 5 Scando anodized aluminum. The Scandos are by far the best ladders I've used, same as the Fire/rescuse services use here. The Rungs/treads are 80mm deep on all their pro models, very comfortable. My favorites are the 'double sided' stepladders.

 -And I can't be the only one here with reoccurring extension ladder-fall dreams.... God, I hate waking up like that.
 

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2011, 11:09 AM »
I have two sizes of the Werner Ladders which are the same as Little Giant ladders.  They are handy but also on the heavy side.  If you look around they are also less expensive than the Little Giant ladders but as good in quality.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=werner+ladder&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=18156570219271835976&sa=X&ei=ukjaTsfQNYLd0QGc_fnJDQ&ved=0CGoQ8wIwAQ

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2011, 12:08 PM »
Love that William  [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

Alan do you have screwfix in Ireland ? I bought one of those multi ladders from them last year and its great. Very well made and strong enough for TRADE use it came with a platform too so you can use it as a scaffold.


this is the one I have as you can see it gets good reviews.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/multipurpose-ladder-with-platform-4-section-3-rung-3-34m/27581



Not from me!  I got a set of them years ago and not really fond of them really dont ever use them just sit in the garage gathering dust they don't feel safe as a platform for standing on unless you have a totally flat ground to sit them on and even then if you lent forward they could tip away from you.


I don't rate them.

Jmb



Must be the DIY ones you had as mine are very solid theres no way that they would topple over. There are some rubbish ones about you have to be careful what you buy. I dont use them all the time as onsite we have stuff supplied by the subby and we obviously use proper scaffolding.
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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2011, 06:16 PM »
Great ladder but HEAVY.
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Offline MarkusS

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2011, 07:33 AM »
Don't know if they are sold in UK/IR but I got this ladder http://www.zarges.com/en/access-technology/products/ladders/multipurpose-ladders/z300-multipurpose-ladder.html 42382 two weeks agot for 190 Euros, the aluminium plate is 90 Euros on top http://www.zarges.com/en/access-technology/products/ladders/ladder-accessories/accessory-for-multi-purpose-ladder.html.

Until now no problems with gravity although I'm quite heavy. Zarges is a very well respected company.

This is a cool ladder too http://www.zarges.com/en/access-technology/products/ladders/single-ladders/z300-telescopic-single-ladder.html
 - very small footprint in my van.
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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2011, 09:38 AM »
Don't know if they are sold in UK/IR but I got this ladder http://www.zarges.com/en/access-technology/products/ladders/multipurpose-ladders/z300-multipurpose-ladder.html 42382 two weeks agot for 190 Euros, the aluminium plate is 90 Euros on top http://www.zarges.com/en/access-technology/products/ladders/ladder-accessories/accessory-for-multi-purpose-ladder.html.

Until now no problems with gravity although I'm quite heavy. Zarges is a very well respected company.

This is a cool ladder too http://www.zarges.com/en/access-technology/products/ladders/single-ladders/z300-telescopic-single-ladder.html
 - very small footprint in my van.
Regards
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My steps and ladders are zarges brilliant best ones you can get! They are festool of ladders!   No suprise made by Germans!

But the telescope you linked to are just the same as any others on the market and they are no good for heavy use.


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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2011, 06:12 PM »
I just posted a Review of the Little Giant Revolution XE type 1A (300 lbs) model 22. It might be of help to some of you.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tool-reviews/review-of-the-little-giant-revolution-xe-type-1a-%28300-lbs%29-model-22/msg181085/?topicseen#msg181085

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2011, 07:32 AM »
Personally, I'm not comfortable on ladders.  I can't make it up more than 2 steps on most of them.

A few years ago I decided to risk it and bought one of the smaller ones they make, and I found I can get as high as they indicate safe to go on these.

For me, they are enabling -- I wouldn't be up very far on a ladder at all if I didn't have one.  I definitely notice a difference in the stability and feel more secure on one.


Yes, the aluminum ones are a bit on the heavy side.  They make carbon-fiber versions that are supposedly lighter in weight, but they are even more $$$.

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2011, 09:59 AM »
Personally, I'm not comfortable on ladders.  I can't make it up more than 2 steps on most of them.

A few years ago I decided to risk it and bought one of the smaller ones they make, and I found I can get as high as they indicate safe to go on these.

For me, they are enabling -- I wouldn't be up very far on a ladder at all if I didn't have one.  I definitely notice a difference in the stability and feel more secure on one.


Yes, the aluminum ones are a bit on the heavy side.  They make carbon-fiber versions that are supposedly lighter in weight, but they are even more $$$.



Well thankfully your not out of luck, there is always plenty of work to do with your feet planted firmly on the subfloor...and all these houses we build start in the same place-
On the ground.


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Re: Re: Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2011, 02:09 PM »
Personally, I'm not comfortable on ladders.  I can't make it up more than 2 steps on most of them.

A few years ago I decided to risk it and bought one of the smaller ones they make, and I found I can get as high as they indicate safe to go on these.

For me, they are enabling -- I wouldn't be up very far on a ladder at all if I didn't have one.  I definitely notice a difference in the stability and feel more secure on one.


Yes, the aluminum ones are a bit on the heavy side.  They make carbon-fiber versions that are supposedly lighter in weight, but they are even more $$$.
I think you mean fiberglass,carbon fiber would be out of reach for most people.

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Re: Re: Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2011, 05:14 PM »
They make carbon-fiber versions that are supposedly lighter in weight, but they are even more $$$.

The fiberglass ladders actually weigh around 25%-50% more than the same-sized aluminum model. Their main advantage is that they are non-conductive, so they can be used around live electrical conductors. I also think that they feel a bit studier when fully extended, but that's just my perception.

For comparison, the Model 13 weighs 26 lbs in aluminum, and 38 lbs in fiberglass (46% more). Definitely no weight savings there.  [smile]

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2011, 06:14 PM »
Most users of carbon fiber ladders are probably military. These would also be electrically conductive.
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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2011, 08:39 PM »
Oops, sorry, fiberglass, yes... I was thinking of something else when I typed that.

Interesting, I'd thought they were lighter for some reason, but looking at the specs they are definitely quite heavier.

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Re: little giant ladders
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2011, 08:50 PM »
yeah, fiberglass ladders are MUCH heavier...on the flip side good for electrical work.



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