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Title: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: jonathan-m on August 01, 2017, 03:41 AM
Hi,

I'm looking to buy a thicknesser but can't seem to decide between the Makita 2012nb and Metabo dh330.

(http://www.mtmc.co.uk/Image.aspx?strFileName=p54353_1.jpg&strItemType=p&numMaxHeight=220&numMaxWidth=220&numItem=54353&strParent=)
What I like about the Metabo is the higher power rating and that it has a gauge on the infeed that shows how much you're taking off.


(http://a5.img.bidorbuy.co.za/image/upload/user_images/807/180807_100520093337_Makita-2012NB.jpg)
What I like about the Makita is the lighter weight and lower decibel rating.


Anyone here who's had to make a similar decision or that has used either machine?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: ear3 on August 01, 2017, 07:41 AM
Can't speak about either one, as I just converted over to the Dewalt 735 a couple of days ago, but just a small comment about the gauge.  I find the material removal gauges on thickness planers to be pretty useless.  The one function they have for me is to let me know that I'm in the ballpark on the first cut, so that I'm not taking off so much that I stress the machine.  Thereafter, though, I'm relying on how far I turn the wheel and digital calipers to set the next cut.  But in truth, if the gauge from my thickness planer suddenly disappeared tomorrow, I would not miss it.

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a thicknesser but can't seem to decide between the Makita 2012nb and Metabo dh330.

(http://www.mtmc.co.uk/Image.aspx?strFileName=p54353_1.jpg&strItemType=p&numMaxHeight=220&numMaxWidth=220&numItem=54353&strParent=)
What I like about the Metabo is the higher power rating and that it has a gauge on the infeed that shows how much you're taking off.


(http://a5.img.bidorbuy.co.za/image/upload/user_images/807/180807_100520093337_Makita-2012NB.jpg)
What I like about the Makita is the lighter weight and lower decibel rating.


Anyone here who's had to make a similar decision or that has used either machine?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: Bob D. on August 01, 2017, 08:51 AM
Can't speak about either one, as I just converted over to the Dewalt 735 a couple of days ago, but just a small comment about the gauge.  I find the material removal gauges on thickness planers to be pretty useless.  The one function they have for me is to let me know that I'm in the ballpark on the first cut, so that I'm not taking off so much that I stress the machine.  Thereafter, though, I'm relying on how far I turn the wheel and digital calipers to set the next cut.  But in truth, if the gauge from my thickness planer suddenly disappeared tomorrow, I would not miss it.

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a thicknesser but can't seem to decide between the Makita 2012nb and Metabo dh330.

(http://www.mtmc.co.uk/Image.aspx?strFileName=p54353_1.jpg&strItemType=p&numMaxHeight=220&numMaxWidth=220&numItem=54353&strParent=)
What I like about the Metabo is the higher power rating and that it has a gauge on the infeed that shows how much you're taking off.


(http://a5.img.bidorbuy.co.za/image/upload/user_images/807/180807_100520093337_Makita-2012NB.jpg)
What I like about the Makita is the lighter weight and lower decibel rating.


Anyone here who's had to make a similar decision or that has used either machine?

Thanks in advance

Same here. I have even tried the Wixey digital gauge which does work pretty well. I have the original one and batteries seem to go in about 6 months, doesn't seem to matter how much you use it. I think the second version uses  AAA batteries, mine is a button cell. I use a digital caliper most times and the thickness gauge to ensure I'm not biting off too much on the first cut just as you do.
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: ChuckM on August 01, 2017, 10:48 AM
Hi,

I'm looking to buy a thicknesser but can't seem to decide between the Makita 2012nb and Metabo dh330.


What I like about the Metabo is the higher power rating and that it has a gauge on the infeed that shows how much you're taking off.


What I like about the Makita is the lighter weight and lower decibel rating.


I have had no experiences of either machine you quoted, but I would choose Metabo, everything being equal because:

- unless you are carrying the machine from site to site, the weight itself (on a bench or on castors) doesn't matter and you will still need to wear ear protection regardless of the lower db rating.
- on the other hand, the power and gauge on the Metabo are more useful features.

Unlike the other comments about the gauge, I find the depth gauge very important for thicknessing boards with no or the least machine marks on the surface as well as avoiding or minimizing snipes (mine is the Ridgid http://tinyurl.com/y8c5rwxb  ($500 Cdn or less at sale time)). The depth gauge is NOT designed to tell you the final thickness of the stock has been planed, but rather, it keeps you from over-planing when you turn the depth wheel. To plane all boards to the same thickness, in the case of the Ridgid, we use the Repeat-A-Cut™ adjustable depth stops.

The Ridgid machine alone can produce boards of identical thickness of your choice using one of the 8 adjustable depth stops, without using any calipers. And I have never needed to use a caliper in any stock preparation.

I used the Dewalt 734 before the Ridgid and found Ridgid a lot better in preventing snipes and in dust collection. With proper set-up and techniques, I can get snipes-free boards a lot of the times.

You may also consider which of the two machines has a better snipe control feature.
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: glass1 on August 01, 2017, 05:49 PM
I have the makita. I like it. Miles better than either dewalt. Lighter, quieter, just works better. Never seen the metabo before.
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: BJM9818 on August 01, 2017, 10:57 PM
I have the Dewalt 735 and it works great. I like The 4 post design over either of these two units.
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: Roseland on August 02, 2017, 03:17 AM
I think the key thing to look for is a depth stop, so that you can easily get all your boards the same thickness.

Mine doesn't have this feature, and it's a pain, but the current Axminster one does:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-trade-series-ct330-330mm-thicknesser-501207

Andrew
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: RJNeal on August 02, 2017, 09:18 AM
I liked my Dewalt 735. But I sold it when I bought a 15" powermatic.
I never used it out of the shop.
Rick
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: ChuckM on August 02, 2017, 10:37 AM
I liked my Dewalt 735. But I sold it when I bought a 15" powermatic.
I never used it out of the shop.
Rick
That's a machine in a different class (240V, 3HP).

With a byrd shelix cutterhead, it could cost 6 to 7 times a DW735 or other benchtop models.



Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: RJNeal on August 02, 2017, 07:32 PM
Yes I understand that Chuck. What I really was saying that I was happy with the 735. And I would purchase another one if I needed to go portable.
Rick
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: glass1 on August 03, 2017, 05:10 PM
y'all consider the 735 portable ? does it not weigh 90lbs plus ? I unlike others have found the dewalts loud, overated, heavy. The makita is the sweet spot in terms of weight and portability. For the record in my opinion hitachi made the best lunch pail planer the c12  the older one with the joiner option was an awesome machine. If you can find one of those buy it.
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: glass1 on August 03, 2017, 05:11 PM
hitachi p12ra  thats the one
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: ChuckM on August 03, 2017, 08:16 PM
Hi,

Anyone here who's had to make a similar decision or that has used either machine?

Thanks in advance

The FW2017 Tool Guide covers the MAKITA 2012NB as follows (the other one you are considering is not there):

Of the planers with two-knife
cutterheads, the Makita produced
the best surface quality. The knives are
very narrow and a bit tricky to change,
but Makita provides two magnets for
lifting them off the cutterhead, and these
make it easier. The machine’s dust port
is an odd size, with an outside diameter
of approximately 27⁄8 in. Using an adapter
to connect it to a 4-in.-dia. hose, dust
collection was only fair. Finally, a full
revolution of the height-adjustment wheel
moves the cutterhead 3⁄32 in. The other
machines move 1⁄16 in. with a complete
revolution of the handle, a dimension
that’s much easier to work with because
the most common thicknesses for
furniture are in multiples of 1⁄16 in.

In the same Guide, the Best Overall is Dewalt 735X and Best Value Ridgid R4331. I believe they arrived at the same conclusions in the 2016 Tool Guide.
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: glass1 on August 03, 2017, 08:49 PM
Dewalt probably spent more on adds. I have owned both my company has the 735! I own the Makita. The crew uses the beater the Dewalt. When we need good clean cuts it's the Makita.  Plus if you need one person portable the Dewalt is a boat anchor.
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: kevinculle on August 03, 2017, 09:28 PM
Another vote for the DW735...mine has the Byrd head and a Wixey digital readout and it is a workhorse.
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: jonathan-m on August 04, 2017, 02:42 AM
Unfortunately, the choice of compact "portable" ticknessers and planers in europe is rather restricted.
The DeWalt 735 is not available to us :(

You have the Chinese budget crap  < €500
The lunchbox types listed and the old elektra beckum 260 spinoffs  < €1200
and then you have cast iron quality products  > €1200
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: #Tee on August 04, 2017, 03:00 AM
been very happy with the 735
Title: Re: Looking to buy a thicknesser...
Post by: jobsworth on August 10, 2017, 12:04 AM
When I was looking for a thicknesses, I was looking at te same 2 thicknessers. I decided on the Makita. Mainly because i had a talk with a old carp who had one and he said it lasted for many many years . So based on his recommendation and the parts availability as the makita is everywhere, I am happy I chose the one I did. The makita is a awesome plane. Lighter then the delta and does a very good job at planing hard woods.

Since I didnt get the Metabo I can tell you how it works. But the Makita is awesome