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Offline Oldwood

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2017, 11:03 PM »
Thanks Josh
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Offline Steven Owen

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2017, 12:11 PM »
I am interested in this saw however I have seen some reviews by individuals such as the wood whisperer that state the saw doesn't stay square co-planer as the blade is slid forward.  The link below is from his video on his Instagram account.  I am wanting to get this saw but not if it can't cut square I am curious what others will say on this subject or makita dealers who carry the saw.   

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1ZVFMhTzS/?taken-by=woodwhisperer
6:15 in the video


This is unfortunate. Why does it seem so difficult to find an accurate SCMS for a decent price?

This Makita seemed like a contender, but I'm not satisfied with the accuracy issues.

I feel like there would be more side to side deflection with the way the rails are oriented on this vs the typical side by side layout in Kapex and others.

The Dewalt 780 is the only affordable Miter Saw left on the market that doesn’t have this issue.  It’s only a matter of time before Dewalt decides to discontinue the 780.  People would hate on the DW 780 and DW 782 because they clock in at 52 pounds.  The heavy duty simple and clean aluminum rods keep the saw straight and don’t allow it to drift out of alignment. 

The DW 717 is not machined to the same quality level as the DW 780.  You see a lot of 780’s used in Cabinet and Pipe fitting shops because of their accuracy.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2017, 12:15 PM by Steven Owen »

Offline timbozi

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2017, 02:14 PM »
Does anyone know of way to check for the parallel issue in store? Without making a cut.

Offline RKA

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2017, 06:04 PM »
A simple 12” square should do.  But if the blade isn’t 90 degrees to the fence it will be harder to tell.

Set the square with the long leg against the blade and short leg against the fence.  Pull the saw out away from the fence.  If a gap emerges or the blade starts to jam against the square, it’s not dialed in right. 

Or you can use a bevel gauge.  If you can set it to match the angle between the fence and blade.  You might need an extra set of hands to hold the saw head Dow and hold back the guard while you tighten the bevel gauge.  Now it doesn’t matter if the miter is set dead at 90.  Then pull the saw away from the fence and observe a gap or binding against the bevel gauge and blade.
-Raj

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2017, 07:04 PM »
I tried 3 saws they all had the same problem. We did not think it was worth opening more boxes as we felt they would probably be the same. I like the saw and Makita service said they were aware of the problem and will call me when they know if or when it might get resolved.

I decided to wait bit and see what happens. I am not without a saw so I will use my old Hitachi for a while longer.

As RKA has already said hold a square against the blade when it is at the back of it's travel then draw the saw forward while holding the square tight to the back fence. If the blade wants to climb your square hold it on the other side and it should pull way from the square and give a indication of how much it is out.

Hope you can find a good one I think it could be a good saw.

Gerry
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2017, 09:07 PM »
The test is simple (checking if bade is parallel to travel)

With the saw at one end of it's travel, place a hard square edge block of wood (heavier the better) gently against the fore and aft teeth on one side of the blade. The block should touch same shaped teeth if the teeth are alternate ground.

Then push/pull the saw to the other position. If the block of wood didn't move you have to do the test on the other side of the blade.

If the block still didn't move the saw tracks and blade are parallel.

Offline glass1

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2017, 11:34 PM »
I own the dewalt dhs790 and have used many, I guarantee that my blade is not perfectly parellel yet it’s a great saw.  The dewalt suffers from this issue just as many others do. Some saws parellel issues are unfixable others are. The dewalt saws tubes can be an be twisted. The Makita LS1019L blade can easily be set parellel. Just loosen the 2 allen set screws in the bar connecting the rails at front. Actually I could explain it but most  on this site simply will not understand how, but it’s easy peasey. One will need a piece of wood todo so. Just pm if I anybody is really interested.

Offline chileodell

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2017, 04:57 PM »
I own the dewalt dhs790 and have used many, I guarantee that my blade is not perfectly parellel yet it’s a great saw.  The dewalt suffers from this issue just as many others do. Some saws parellel issues are unfixable others are. The dewalt saws tubes can be an be twisted. The Makita LS1019L blade can easily be set parellel. Just loosen the 2 allen set screws in the bar connecting the rails at front. Actually I could explain it but most  on this site simply will not understand how, but it’s easy peasey. One will need a piece of wood todo so. Just pm if I anybody is really interested.

HI Glass and Josh F.  I purchased this saw and am trying to adjust the rails. Which way are you inserting the wood to align them? I have tried but am not having any luck.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2017, 05:46 PM by chileodell »

Offline glass1

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2017, 06:51 PM »
The square or block method only checks for square or angle accuracy, sorry wood whisperer but I am surprised by your lack of understanding. It does not matter the angle that the miter saw is set to to check if the blade is parallel to the rails. Take a 12" wide board put on saw with the saw in fully retracted position make a plunge cut lift head up to fully extended position and plunge down and finish cut. The cuts should perfectly or nearly perfectly line up. some saws can never be adjusted some can. pm me for more detail its to hard to explain it a post.

Offline chileodell

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2017, 08:18 PM »
So after taking a frustration break I was able to align the slide rails as described by Glass1. Now the saw is tracking perfectly straight. I am ecstatic because I loved everything about the saw and didn't want to have to return it.

Offline dustymc

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2017, 06:26 PM »
@glass1 I made an account just to say THANK YOU! I got a new saw today, it was about a quarter-blade off on the plunge-slide-plunge test, took maybe 5 minutes of diddling with the arms to get it where it's supposed to be.

Offline glass1

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2017, 08:07 AM »
No worries. Have fun cutting. It’s a great saw.

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2017, 03:17 PM »
At least Makita has an adjustment for the rail.  I had to exchange the Dewalt 782 twice to get one that squared up correctly.

Offline Job and Knock

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2017, 05:11 AM »
My Makita ls1019l is solid side to side. The old Dewalt dw708 had stacked slide rails it was solid as well.
Hmmm... My old DW708 had a tendency to twist in cut noticeably on long one-sided dust cuts (where I was adjusting a mitre cut). I believe that's why DW changed the design to a side by side rail arrangement on the DW718. The big Makita (LS1214) was better than the DW708 in that respect (we ran them side by side for  couple of oak panelling jobs)

I like the Makita better than the kapex  in every way  except for the large bevel scale on the kapex  and
the Makita weighs 10 lbs more.
I have issues with how miniscule the bevel scale on the Makita is - and the effect that will have on ultimate accuracy and repeatability of cuts. One of the best features of the Kapex is those large, easily read scales. Makita need to learn that we aren't all 25 year old hotshots with razor sharp eyesight.

18 months on with a 110 volt Kapex doing mainly oak, ash and maple and it still hasn't fried, yet. Must be doing something right

« Last Edit: November 12, 2017, 06:11 AM by Job and Knock »
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Offline glass1

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2017, 08:02 AM »
Really. I found the 1019 much more solid than the kapex. No doubt the 1014 and 1214 were solid saws that gave years of use and abuse.  The only 2 things on those saws that was lacking was no 60 degree miter and no bevel past 45.
The only 2 things I like about the kapex over the 1019 are the bevel scale and the weight. Everything else the makita takes it, flat table, better blade guard, standard blades, 60 miter both ways, more power, no carpal tunnel trigger, no leaky arbor, miter detent override, dust collection, and more than likely that pesky motor issue, and of course price.

Offline Cochese

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2017, 08:59 PM »
Would anyone be able to tell me how similar the corded vs 36v versions are? I can only find the cordless one at a store nearby to look at and try out to see some sort of indication of if I would enjoy the corded one.

Offline sheperd80

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2017, 08:38 AM »
Would anyone be able to tell me how similar the corded vs 36v versions are? I can only find the cordless one at a store nearby to look at and try out to see some sort of indication of if I would enjoy the corded one.
Same here. I toyed with the cordless and liked it but found a few features that were deal breakers for me. The bevel locking knob is a horrible idea, and the button to bypass the 0 stop is in a bad spot so bevel adjustments are gonna be a constant pain. Also the fence wings being removable instead of sliding makes no sense. Sad, i was hoping this might be the next great saw.

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