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Offline James Biddle

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Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« on: September 30, 2017, 06:30 PM »
So, I've only had my Makita LS1019L for just over 2 months now after selling my Kapex and I thought I'd give some of my initial observations of the new tool compared to the Kapex. 

1. Dust collection.  The dust collection is good, not Kapex good, but good.  It has a hose diverter where it suck from both around the blade and behind.  I'm not happy that the hookup for the DC points downward at an angle, making it more challenging to hook up on a closed bench, but that's a minor bit.  Advantage-Kapex

2. Use against a wall.  Both tools have dual fixed tubes the saw slides out from so both can be put close to a wall.  You really can't put either against a wall and swing the miter without hose issues, but both are really well done.  Advantage-both

3. Quality of cut.  Using a good cut technique has a major impact on any miter saw, and the Makita is no different.  I was able to get perfect cuts (I was only cutting base cap molding on the Makita) with good technique.  If I pushed the cut too fast I got fuzz and if I raised the blade too quickly, I sometimes got flung the offcut.  Advantage-both

4. Accuracy of the setup out of the box.  I realize this may vary greatly from tool to tool, but my Makita needed adjustment out of the box. The good news is that the bevel adjustment is VERY easy with the attached hex wrench and access to the adjustment points.  The miter was dead on.  However, the Kapex required no adjustment out of the box.  Advantage-Kapex

5. Squareness and flatness of the fence and base.  Here, I had issues with both.  My Kapex base was not flat along the fence and non-adjustable.  The fence was dead-on though.  On the Makita, the base and stationary fence were dead on, but the removable fence had only a minor adjustment and I was unable to adjust the removable fence at the outer end of the base where there is a post and hole casting.  The effect was that I could not get perfectly cuts where that surface was referenced.  Advantage-neither

6. Ergonomics.  Neither machine is a pain to use, but my preference was the horizontal handle on the Makita over the vertical on the Kapex.  The laser switch was the index finger above the hand one the Makita making it easier to switch on and off during the process.  It was also easier to lower the blade to align the cut line on the Makita. Advantage-Makita

7. Laser.  Makita laser is only on one side, so the Kapex will win here.  Also, the Kapex laser was dead on at delivery, and I still need to adjust the Makita about a 64th, but have not got that far yet.  Advantage-Kapex.

8. Motor.  It's unfair to rate the Kapex against the Makita. The Makita is new with little track record.  Id does not seem to bog down in any of the cuts I've made, nor should it cutting the base cap I've used.  Advantage-neither

9. Hold downs.  I liked the Kapex hold downs and did not like it came with only one.  I don't like the Makita at all and don't like it came with only one.  Neither tool allows for 2 hold downs to be used with full miter rotation. Kapex got the hold down right and just did not include enough.  Makita falls flat here.  Advantage-Kapex

10. Miter and bevel adjustment.  Mixed bag here.  Kapex is really easy to unlock and rotate the bevel and use the button to release the stops.  Makita has the unlock at the end of a tube and then you manually pivot the tool and use buttons to release the stop.  On the miter, I found it easier to adjust the Makita close to the detents than the Kapex.  Both are a pain and the new innovator will have some method to rotate the bevel like Festool does with the bevel.  Advantage-neither

11. Price. I paid $509 for the Makita and the Kapex sells for $1,475.  Advantage-Makita

Overall.  The Kapex is clearly a better saw to me, while working.  The Makita has incorporated many of the Kapex's fine features while keeping the price at a level WAY below the Kapex.  I purposefully did not address portability because although the Kapex is easily more portable, you can buy two of the Makita and leave one in the shop and one in the truck and have a backup saw in case of emergencies.


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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2017, 06:38 PM »
I appreciate a well done comparison and you have achieved that it my mind.   [thumbs up]

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Offline Brandon

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 08:18 PM »
Thanks for the review. I am debating the Makita or a Bosch to replace my Kapex. I’m going to roll with Kapex for a bit longer but still live in fear of another motor failure. Mine went in less than a year and a half but has been fine since, about 3 years. I’ve since replaced/ modified a few parts on it to keep it going. If not for the dust collection it’s really just an average saw at an above average price.
As for your Makita motor, I will personally guarantee it won’t burn up in less than a year and a half. Send me a PM if it does and I’ll buy you a new one. I’ve had the same Makita circular saw for 10+ years, no issues.

Offline Lbob131

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2017, 08:15 AM »
Is this saw available in the UK?

I have the older  tried and trusted  LS1013. As does an acquaintance.
And he is looking for a suitable  replacement.

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2017, 01:46 PM »
I am interested in this saw however I have seen some reviews by individuals such as the wood whisperer that state the saw doesn't stay square co-planer as the blade is slid forward.  The link below is from his video on his Instagram account.  I am wanting to get this saw but not if it can't cut square I am curious what others will say on this subject or makita dealers who carry the saw.   

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1ZVFMhTzS/?taken-by=woodwhisperer

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2017, 01:48 PM »
UK - Sitebox Ltd
https://www.sitebox.ltd.uk/makita-ls1016-110v-240v-mitre-saw-260mm-blade-omak_ls1016

Haven't checked anywhere else.

Fwiw, be interested in what reviews say 12/18 months.

Richard (UK)

(Edit: see John1102 posted as well)

(Edit: Apologies! My link is to a different version. Thanks for being on the ball John1102)
« Last Edit: October 03, 2017, 05:09 AM by fuzzy logic »
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Offline John1102

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2017, 08:31 AM »
The link used by fuzzy logic (UK) isn't the saw model being discussed in this thread, which is the newer Makita LS1019L model that has the forward fixed rails to compete against the Festool Kapex model.  Thanks.

Offline James Biddle

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2017, 10:19 AM »
I am interested in this saw however I have seen some reviews by individuals such as the wood whisperer that state the saw doesn't stay square co-planer as the blade is slid forward.  The link below is from his video on his Instagram account.  I am wanting to get this saw but not if it can't cut square I am curious what others will say on this subject or makita dealers who carry the saw.   

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1ZVFMhTzS/?taken-by=woodwhisperer

I had the same problem out of the box, but I just adjusted the saw to 90 by moving the detent ring.  Now mine tracks straight, not like he is showing.  I don't have the Kapex anymore, but I think it adjusts the same way, doesn't it?

Offline RKA

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2017, 12:12 PM »
The issue WW experienced was that the saw blade wasn't parallel to the slides.  So even if you adjusted the blade (like you described) so it was exactly 90 degrees to the fence, when you pulled the blade back, the blade slides out in a skewed fashion.  This is a manufacturing defect, not something that you can adjust for. 
-Raj

Offline James Biddle

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2017, 03:56 PM »
From the video Marc posted, it looked like the blade started out about a 1/16th away from the square and ran in towards and hit the square at full extension.  The only thing the square is testing is whether the 90degree cut is calibrated correctly.  Looks no different than if I set my miter about a half degree or so off of 90.  It that's the case, he needs to recalibrate the 90 position, which is as I described.  Am I missing something?

Offline John1102

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2017, 04:38 PM »
It's not a squareness issue. Since the square is placed offset of the blade about 1/16" an inch yet still square to the blade off of the fence as the saw blade is pulled out along the rails at the end of the cutting length it begins to come into contact with the square.  It appears to be a manufacturing defect with the rail carriage as was my understanding from the video.   

Offline Getmaverick

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2017, 06:16 PM »
Curious to see how Makita responds to this co planar issue.

Offline RKA

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2017, 08:53 PM »
6:15 in the video

-Raj

Offline glass1

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 09:04 PM »
I have found the blade not perfectly parellel to the slides to be a common issue on almost all scms. It’s the first thing I look for. I clamp a wide blade board to the saw. It does not matter the miter angle. With thread pushed all the way back I do,a plunge cut and with the blade still running I lift the blade up and pull it all the way out without cutting. Than I plunge down and mate the cuts. If the do not perfectly line up than the blade is not parellel to the slides. Most saws have no adjustment to fix if the blade is not parellel to the slides. My ls1019l is perfectly parellel. Dust collection is very good. Power is excellent.  Slides are smooth. Detent override. Easy to use safety and one can hold the blade guard up with the thumb. Flat table. It’s a great saw.

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2017, 09:05 PM »
Head pushed all the way back not thread...

Offline nms

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2017, 08:40 AM »
I am interested in this saw however I have seen some reviews by individuals such as the wood whisperer that state the saw doesn't stay square co-planer as the blade is slid forward.  The link below is from his video on his Instagram account.  I am wanting to get this saw but not if it can't cut square I am curious what others will say on this subject or makita dealers who carry the saw.   

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1ZVFMhTzS/?taken-by=woodwhisperer
6:15 in the video


This is unfortunate. Why does it seem so difficult to find an accurate SCMS for a decent price?

This Makita seemed like a contender, but I'm not satisfied with the accuracy issues.

I feel like there would be more side to side deflection with the way the rails are oriented on this vs the typical side by side layout in Kapex and others.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2017, 08:43 AM by nms »

Offline glass1

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2017, 01:23 PM »
My Makita ls1019l is solid side to side. The old Dewalt dw708 had stacked slide rails it was solid as well. I like the Makita better than the kapex  in every way  except for the large bevel scale on the kapex  and the Makita weighs 10 lbs more. I still think the. Eat way to check if the blade is parallel is by lining up a chop cut with a push cut as I mentioned before. It does not matter the angle.

Offline RKA

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2017, 03:34 PM »
@nms
Just buy it locally from a retailer that turns over stock regularly.  If it has this issue, you'll be able to confirm it quickly and return it.
 WW got his just after they were introduced.  His report in the video was some time after all this happened.  Granted, we're talking about months and not years, but it's still possible Makita has already resolved the issue and if they haven't, I'm sure they will soon.   
-Raj

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2017, 09:11 PM »
My Makita ls1019l is solid side to side.
Have you done many test cuts on wide pieces and checked closely for deflection? I'm worried about it with 2x6 or 1x12 boards particularly.
@nms
Just buy it locally from a retailer that turns over stock regularly.
Yeah that does sound like the best way to go. It seems like the dust collection is better than most alternatives. I was checking these out, but the dust collection is not good and no one mentions them around here: http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/milwaukee-2734-10'-sliding-compound-miter-saw/

Offline glass1

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2017, 09:16 PM »
So far deflection is a non issue. Why does this saw concern you with deflection ? I find it rock solid. Now that , Milwaukee 10” is a hunk of junk cheap feeling thing which is odd because their 12”maybe a beast but it sure feels solid to me.

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2017, 09:55 PM »
The issue WW experienced was that the saw blade wasn't parallel to the slides.  So even if you adjusted the blade (like you described) so it was exactly 90 degrees to the fence, when you pulled the blade back, the blade slides out in a skewed fashion.  This is a manufacturing defect, not something that you can adjust for.

I think it's what is called "heeling" in a table saw.

Offline Arthur444

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2017, 06:50 AM »
I also bought the Makita LS1019L to replace my 13 month old Kapex that burnt out. I much prefer the ergonomics on the Makita. The horizontal handle and the blade lock can be squeezed at the same time feels better. I also really like that the guard is on the outside of the blade housing so you can hold it up with your thumb if need be. I hate the guard on the Kapex, it would catch on your piece and lift up while cutting if your not careful. The way you have to twist your wrist on the Kapex to push the top safety switch is carpal tunnel stupidity. The Makita has a 15 amp motor compared to 13 amp on the Kapex. I personally don't see much of a difference in dust collection. I use a Fein dust extractor that is dedicated to the saw and it seems to work well in my small shop. The two sided laser is useful and the line is a little finer then the Makita but again the guard on the Kapex has really small slots where the laser shows through and as soon as the guard gets dirty you can't see the laser. The Makita guard has slots about 1/4"x 2" so you can see the laser better and the on off switch is placed in a better position. If the two saws were priced competitively you could give advantage to either one depending on your preferences but with the Kapex costing 3 times as much no way is the extra cost justified. Really the Kapex isn't worth more 650$.  My Kapex basically had the entire motor and gear housing replaced, if anyone is in the southern Wisconsin area and wants what is essentially a new Kapex for 1100$ I'll be listing it on Craigslist today.

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2017, 01:53 PM »
I have found the blade not perfectly parellel to the slides to be a common issue on almost all scms. It’s the first thing I look for. I clamp a wide blade board to the saw. It does not matter the miter angle. With thread pushed all the way back I do,a plunge cut and with the blade still running I lift the blade up and pull it all the way out without cutting. Than I plunge down and mate the cuts. If the do not perfectly line up than the blade is not parellel to the slides. Most saws have no adjustment to fix if the blade is not parellel to the slides. My ls1019l is perfectly parellel. Dust collection is very good. Power is excellent.  Slides are smooth. Detent override. Easy to use safety and one can hold the blade guard up with the thumb. Flat table. It’s a great saw.

Great trick for checking to see if the saw blade is aligned to the travel. Thanks for that. I returned my first saw the second one was better but still not acceptable. I am involved in a discussion with Makita service to see if this is something they can resolve or if I need to look for another brand of saw.
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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2017, 11:28 PM »
Im getting the sense that some of these makita saws are working and some not. Do we think this is related to early vs late or current production batches or across the board.

This feedback is critical, just trying to summarize the consensus
helper: i used a festool "circular saw" to do something simple and it made it really hard

me: exactly, it makes simple cuts complicated and complicated cuts simple

Offline glass1

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2017, 01:45 AM »
I do believe if one loosens the 2 Allen screws that hold the front bar to the rails the rails can be pushed left or right and held in position when retightening.

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2017, 10:50 AM »
I had a talk with the service department in Vancouver and he sent out some inquiries within the company and it looks like they are aware of the problem and will be dealing with it. The service rep went through a few saws they had in stock and he said most had the issue to some degree and he did find one that was good.

They have a 10" precision ground plate they mount in place of the blade then put a square against the fence and the plate then draw the saw head forward. 

I talked with the store I bought the saw from and they will let me check a few saws to see if I can find one within reasonable tolerances. I like the saw and am willing to do some work to find one that will work for me.

We will have to wait to see what they do about this but I think something will be done shortly.
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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2017, 01:53 PM »
Just loosens the 2 screws that attach the front bar to the rails than the bars can be adjusted til the blade is parellel and hold and retighten. May take some trial and error.

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2017, 01:29 PM »
Just loosens the 2 screws that attach the front bar to the rails than the bars can be adjusted til the blade is parellel and hold and retighten. May take some trial and error.

I created I account here just to say. I had the same problem with the saw. Just got it yesterday. I did what was mentioned above and now it cuts perfect. The rails are not co planar to each other and just a little tweak and they are perfect.

   On a side note I love festool, have a half dozen of their tools. I just couldn’t justify spending almost 1500 on a scms, when my buddies motor burnt out on his winthin the first 3 months.

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2017, 07:38 PM »
Just loosens the 2 screws that attach the front bar to the rails than the bars can be adjusted til the blade is parellel and hold and retighten. May take some trial and error.

I created I account here just to say. I had the same problem with the saw. Just got it yesterday. I did what was mentioned above and now it cuts perfect. The rails are not co planar to each other and just a little tweak and they are perfect.

   On a side note I love festool, have a half dozen of their tools. I just couldn’t justify spending almost 1500 on a scms, when my buddies motor burnt out on his winthin the first 3 months.

Josh or Glass could you tell me on the attached diagram are you talking about part #169?

TIA
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Offline Josh F

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Re: Makita LS1019L miter saw mini review
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2017, 09:58 PM »
Yes part 169, I loosened the two Allen screws. Then slid a piece of 3/4 cedar in between the rails. I pushed lightly on it and relighted the Allen screws. It took me 3 or 4 tries, before I figured out which way I was moving the rails, and how it effected the blade and cut. We’re talking tweaking the rail maybe a 1/16”, but it transfer a lot down to the blade.