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Offline hopper

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Makita track versus Festool Track
« on: March 17, 2016, 06:21 AM »
I've read on this forum that the Makita track is identical to the Festool track and can be used with my TS 55 REQ track saw. I have the opportunity to purchase a 2700 mm Makita track for less than $200.  Has anyone used a Makita track with a Festool saw ?

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Offline Tayler_mann

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2016, 08:51 AM »
I have a makita track saw with tracks and a TS55. The saws fit both tracks but buyer beware the the Makita tracks are garbage. The track had a convex shape and rocks side to side. I called it into makita and they said it is part of the "extrusion process". If I wanted to I could pay shipping to get it back to them and they could look at it and pay shipping back to me but it was a three month delay. The festool sticker price is worth the penny.

Offline mrB

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2016, 09:22 AM »
Also the blue tape (non friction) on top of the rails is really hard and over time will wear groves into the saw base!! See this happen to both makita and festool saw used on the makita tracks.

And I've heard that some of festools rail accessories don't fit. I know the clamps do for though.
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Offline Tayler_mann

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2016, 10:10 AM »
Also the splinter guard on the makita is awful. It's extremely soft and you end up cutting it away from the blade after 20 uses or so and it no longer works. My track is also bowed and has a 32" arc in it so straight line cuts are not possible. This is true of both my 55 and 110 track.

Offline hopper

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2016, 10:55 AM »
Thanks for the replies.  Looks like I'll pass on the Makita track.

Offline glass1

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2016, 04:36 PM »
My 4 makita tracks are perfect. The sacrificial strip actually stays attached to the rail unlike the new clear hard festool junk ones.

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2016, 04:50 PM »
The 3000 mm Makita track in Canada cost only 159.00 to 205.00 new to begin with(if you dont need to ship it), less than 200.00 not such a great price anyhow.
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Offline blaszcsj

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2016, 08:55 PM »
My 4 makita tracks are perfect. The sacrificial strip actually stays attached to the rail unlike the new clear hard festool junk ones.

I will second the fact that the tracks I had were quality tracks. I have had both long and short.  I only sold off my makita stuff because as my festool stuff has grown so have my accessories and several of them are not compatible with the makita rails. I had no issue of grooving from the plastic slides on my old makita saw.

I will agree with the other post that the softer strip was slightly annoying. It moved around due to the softer glue used as well. Especially in the sun. And it was a pain in the  to clean off and replace. I will also have to say that the long festool rail was much better packaged during shipping.

I think it just depends on what you want to use it for. If it is just for the saw and you don't care about using the end stops then get the makita rail. If you want to use accessories get the festool.

 
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Offline itchy

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2016, 09:53 PM »
I have no issues with my Makita track I like it, I have both festool and Makita.

Offline Michael1960

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2016, 10:57 PM »
Another owner of both Festool and Makita tracks.  Some Festool owners report difficulty joining and aligning Festool tracks.  The Makita tracks are very easy to join - just butt them up and tighten the joiners and your ready to go.  I have not joined my Festool tracks.

Offline GregBradley

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2016, 11:19 PM »
I have Makita and Festool saws and tracks. Pretty much use them interchangeably.

I prefer the Makita Anti-Splinter as the Festool Clear one dries out in the low SoCal humidity and pulls itself off the track and into a curve.

Bear in mind, Makita tools are some of the most heavily counterfeited tools on the planet. Makita has tools made in China, then the suppliers copy them, the employees steal the plans and copy the copies, etc. etc.

Buy Makita only from legit sources or you will get crap!

Offline itchy

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2016, 11:28 PM »
I have had better experiences with the Makita splinter guard, I find the festool one does come loose sooner.

Offline Papajoe

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2018, 04:30 PM »
I've read on this forum that the Makita track is identical to the Festool track and can be used with my TS 55 REQ track saw. I have the opportunity to purchase a 2700 mm Makita track for less than $200.  Has anyone used a Makita track with a Festool saw ?

IM ALSO SHOPPING FOR ANOTHER TRACK SAW. THE PRICE IS 70% HIGHER FOR FESTOOL TS 55; TRACK AND 118" RAIL IS $975 FESTOOL, AND $570 MAKITA/118". i think festool makes good tools in general, but there are good alternatives that exist. the track saw seems to be 1. the wood whisperer recently replaced his Kapex with a Bosch glide. he also stating the kapex is better, but not by much, and he can do everything he needs with the bosch. the Kapex cost $1475.00 vs the Bosch 12" glide was $390, this labor day sale. 

Offline Papajoe

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2018, 04:12 PM »
today, 9-14-18 the makita track saw is $279 new at cpo.

Offline RussellS

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2018, 05:05 PM »
today, 9-14-18 the makita track saw is $279 new at cpo.

I looked up this CPO Outlets place.  And based on the prices I saw, there is NO F-ing way I would ever buy Festool if I could get quality Makita tools for these low prices.  Track saw $280.  55" rail $73.  Combo saw track $409.  Funny you are gouged when you buy both as a kit.  Reconditioned saw $250.  Rail connectors $21.  No 10 foot rail listed.  I would not be surprised if Makita and DeWalt steal Festool's lunch and kick them in the butt too.  The Festool TS55 saw is $590 bare.  $690 with 55" rail.  $690 Festool compared to $353 Makita.  Very close to DOUBLE the price.  Is the Festool saw TWICE as good?  I doubt it.  I own the TS55 and rails.  Good saw.  But if I could have bought the Makita for HALF the price, I would have.  Unlike a lot of people, I do not intentionally try to spend more than I need too.

Offline tallgrass

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2018, 08:08 PM »
I have a ton of festool rails up to 8 ft and I have several makita tracks up to their 118 rail and I love them all. I do not have makita saws. So I use my festool saws on the makita and festool track, interchangeably. I set up my saws so that I can use all the rails interchangeably with any of the saws.I use the 118 to break down plywood, which I lovre. I also prefer the makita edge guide material. I have placed it on all of my festool tracks. The only concern I have is with shipping. I have had bent festool track due to shipping abuse. The Makita shipped the long rail in a wood box, where the festool long rail was shipped in cardboard box. I would suggest that you should check any aluminum extrusion right out of the box. They may leave the factory straight but get bent bent in shipping.

Offline tallgrass

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2018, 08:10 PM »
I would add the makita track connectors are vastly superior to the festool ones. So I use the makita connectors with all of the rails.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2018, 12:05 PM »
today, 9-14-18 the makita track saw is $279 new at cpo.

I looked up this CPO Outlets place.  And based on the prices I saw, there is NO F-ing way I would ever buy Festool if I could get quality Makita tools for these low prices.  Track saw $280.  55" rail $73.  Combo saw track $409.  Funny you are gouged when you buy both as a kit.  Reconditioned saw $250.  Rail connectors $21.  No 10 foot rail listed.  I would not be surprised if Makita and DeWalt steal Festool's lunch and kick them in the butt too.  The Festool TS55 saw is $590 bare.  $690 with 55" rail.  $690 Festool compared to $353 Makita.  Very close to DOUBLE the price.  Is the Festool saw TWICE as good?  I doubt it.  I own the TS55 and rails.  Good saw.  But if I could have bought the Makita for HALF the price, I would have.  Unlike a lot of people, I do not intentionally try to spend more than I need too.

Completely different markets for all three companies. Your logic implies there is no market for any luxury (or higher priced) items if a cheaper alternative is available. Real world examples exist: cars, watches, phones, computers, stereo equipment. In the woodworking area beside motorized tools some examples: planes, blades, drill bits, chisels, router bits, etc. I will always spend extra to get the longest life out of them and to be able resharpen these items. Freshly out of the box the cheap versions are not as good as high quality ones and are certainly not worth resharpening.

There is a lot more to making a purchase besides price, unless price is the only factor you consider. **Note that this is not an attack on those who don't have the means to purchase high end items.**

Makita and Dewalt make good tools but they won't be cutting into Festool's or other high end tool makers sales.


Offline RussellS

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2018, 08:40 PM »
Completely different markets for all three companies. Your logic implies there is no market for any luxury (or higher priced) items if a cheaper alternative is available. Real world examples exist: cars, watches, phones, computers, stereo equipment.

There is a lot more to making a purchase besides price, unless price is the only factor you consider.

Makita is going to steal Festool's business for saws with pricing like this.  Half price, for comparable quality.  Unless you buy Festool because the green color matches your eyes.  When you buy a Ferrari or Porsche you get a look.  Look is important with cars.  And you get a 685 HP motor capable of taking you 0 to 60 in 2.0 seconds.  You get something when you spend 10 to 50 times the price of a Camry.  When you buy a Rolex or Audemars Piquet, you get looks and solid gold or diamonds.  Its jewelry.  And you get a Swiss chronograph capable of keeping exact time to .001 second per century.  With the higher priced phones you get a bigger screen, more memory, better camera with two lenses.  With computers you get the Intel i7 processor and 1 TB SSD.  Instead of a ten year old AMD processor and 125 MB hard drive and dial up modem with no camera.  You get something when you spend $5000 on a computer instead of $500.  With stereos you get bigger amplifiers, speakers that have clearer sound.  You get something when you spend more.  Sound quality.  I have Magnepan and Polk speakers.  Spending money on speakers gets you quality sound.

With Festool track saws you spend DOUBLE the price of the Makita saw and you get the exact same performance, functionality.  Imagine pick up trucks.  I presume a few of the people here own one.  Ford, GM, Fiat, all sell more or less identical pick up trucks.  Similar motors and luxury conveniences in the cab.  They ALL have 8 and 6.5 foot beds.  That is how similar trucks are.  They all use the exact same bed length.  Why doesn't one make an 8.5 foot bed then it can boast it can haul longer lumber?  And all pick ups cost the same too for comparable trucks.  $20,000 to $80,000.  Imagine how Ford sales would be if they doubled the price on their truck?  Or GM cut its price in half?  They would either lose or steal all the sales.  People love their truck for imagined reasons.  But when the time comes to write the check, that imagined love will disappear.  If Festool keeps its price DOUBLE of Makita for the same quality, they will lose all track saw sales quickly.  Except for the people who think the lime green tool color is prettiest.

Offline glass1

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2018, 09:04 PM »
Well when the trim crews kapex crapped out on site I was on after 3 months(came on when plugged into a ct and only turned off when unplugged-scary), the lead guy promptly sold it after Festool fixed it. Guess what he replaced it with? The makita ls1019l. He used mine and was blown away. Hey Festool why cannot you match the power and performance of your routers with your saws. I mean every saw is underpowered period yet every router is a class leader in power. Please no koolaid comments the saws are underpowered save for the tsc.

Offline jonathan-m

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2018, 04:04 AM »
There's a new guide rail option coming out very soon by Metabo.

- It uses the Mafell splinterstrips and connectors
- Comes in 80, 160, 250 & 310 cm
- Does not have an accessory T-Track on the left

An attached rail for their battery circle saw, like the Mafell KSS and Festool HK, is also coming down the pipeline.


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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2018, 08:33 PM »
I need a new track saw after an unfortunate event in the garage a few weeks ago. I have zero issue dumping money into tools and I’m a festool die hard.

I was on tool nuts website about to pull the trigger on the TS55req only to see the makita pop up.....I am actually contemplating getting the makita to replace the TS55. Only because I have a PM2000 in the shop now and really only use a track saw to break down sheet goods into more manageable sizes....

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Offline kevinculle

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2018, 10:43 PM »
That's crazy...you'd buy a better performing saw that's about half the price???  What are you thinking man!

Offline broseiden

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2018, 01:45 AM »
I prefer using the Festool rails with my TS55.

I bought a long Makita track to save money, but ended up buying the Festool track as well. The  cams required adjustment to eliminate play every time I switched from one brand to the other.

I could be happy with one brand's track or the other, but not both (when paired with the same saw).

FWIW, I don't recall hearing about other people having this problem. I should check the difference with calipers. And I later bought the Makita saw to go with the track -- I prefer the Festool saw over the Makita, but would be ok with either (for my needs).

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2018, 07:51 AM »
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Offline ihadmail

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Re: Makita track versus Festool Track
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2018, 04:47 AM »
I just wanted to chime in that I have the Makita saw and both their short and long tracks. I found out the hard way the first time I really needed a long straight precise cut that the Makita 10' track is not straight. I went to my local tool dealer and checked all of his Makita tracks, they all had the same curve along their length.

I left that day with a Festool 3000 track. When I got home I found out that I needed to adjust the saw when switching between the Makita and Festool tracks, so I purchased a 1400 track also.

I couldn't be happier with this combination from a cost/performance standpoint. The only real complaints I have are that the Makita tracks were a bit of a waste of money since they're not straight and are no longer used, and that Makita didn't put an edge guard on the outside edge of the blade like the Festool saw has.

If I ever find a need for it I'd like to add a TS75 to my collection, but so far I'm happy with the smaller Makita being my only track saw.