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Title: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: TOOLTOWN on March 19, 2017, 11:44 PM
Hello all,

I'm looking for recommendations for mechanics tools for my personal use.  I don't need anything quite at the price point of Snap-On, but I would like a brand that's a bit more refined than Craftsman.  I have many craftsman tools from back in the day, but the new ones seem to be of lesser quality, and with the sale to the Stanley conglomerate I question the future consistency of the brand. 

I need to re-outfit myself with some new ratchets, sockets, breaker bars, box end wrenches, combination wrenches, etc.

A good warranty is a must, lifetime is even better.  And as much as I want to say made in USA, Germany, etc, I may be able to bring myself to buy from China etc given a good product.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Ken
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: RustE on March 19, 2017, 11:52 PM
Off the top of my head:

Channellock (adjustable wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers)

GearWrench (ratcheting wrenches)

Proto Industrial Tools

SK Tools
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: leakyroof on March 20, 2017, 12:06 AM
You could go  with used and get Snap-On , MAC or Matco tools at bargain prices compared to new. That's how many techs starting out get tools. Craigslist, Letgo, or Pawn Shops or even Estate Sales.
If new is what you're set on, Gear Wrench makes great ratcheting wrenches in flex and non-flex head versions.
You can mix and match. Buying Snap-On Ratchets but Craftsman or Husky sockets.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: RustE on March 20, 2017, 12:14 AM
Kobalt sockets are decent.  Think these are made in Taiwan?

The 1/2-inch Kobalt torque wrench (click type, vernier adjustment) that sells for around $80 is a good buy to use on lug nuts.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: #Tee on March 20, 2017, 02:33 AM

I used to be a tech for benz and used craftsmans/snapon, but now for home use i prefer wera sets along with their super cool and affordable screw driver set. So I ditched most of my snapon ratches/sockets/wrenches for and replaced them with wera. i just love the feel and quality of them better.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Peter Parfitt on March 20, 2017, 02:43 AM
Hello all,

I'm looking for recommendations for mechanics tools for my personal use.  I don't need anything quite at the price point of Snap-On, but I would like a brand that's a bit more refined than Craftsman.  I have many craftsman tools from back in the day, but the new ones seem to be of lesser quality, and with the sale to the Stanley conglomerate I question the future consistency of the brand. 

I need to re-outfit myself with some new ratchets, sockets, breaker bars, box end wrenches, combination wrenches, etc.

A good warranty is a must, lifetime is even better.  And as much as I want to say made in USA, Germany, etc, I may be able to bring myself to buy from China etc given a good product.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Ken

Hi Ken

I appreciate that this may be a bit too expensive but if I were buying some really good mechanics tools I would start by looking at Wera. They are a German brand and I have a number of their smaller kits. I have been to several shows where I have looked carefully at the larger socket sets and so on and it is all very desirable. I will probably replace my large Proxon socket set at some stage.

I have made a video about the smaller stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcO3xxeUsOI

Good luck.

Peter
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: #Tee on March 20, 2017, 02:53 AM
about 4 mins in i was sold lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2U1sR4CI-0
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Huxleywood on March 20, 2017, 03:24 AM
The majority of my mechanics tools bought over the last few years are Wera, Wiha, Felo, Knipex and NWS.  German Amazon, Zoro, Chads Tool Box and KC Tools have been my major sources the last three only used when I had significant coupons. 

I have found the ergonomics are much better with the German tools than most American brands and do my best to avoid Chiwanese except in the case of one use tools when I may even call upon Harbor Freight for my needs.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: rvieceli on March 20, 2017, 07:42 AM
Ken - You might want to head over to the Garage Journal http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/ and ask that question there.

It a great forum with folks ranging from pro mechanics to extremely talented amateurs. It is more mechanics tools focused and that question comes up a lot. There are also posts on good deals on these types of tools.

Ryan, the administrator was recently over here asking a similar question about outfitting a Festool kit.

Ron
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: SRSemenza on March 20, 2017, 09:27 AM
   I am interested in this topic too as I am looking to add/ complete/ improve my hodge podge. Lately I have been diving into ratchets, wrenches, sockets, etc. I have just started to buy some "try them out" items after a bunch of research. I am after a complete set of sizes. EX- I am tired of maybe having a 12mm socket but needing an open end wrench only to find that the metric wrench set I bought 20 years ago (Craftsman) skips over the 12mm. That sort of thing combined with a variety of quality has prompted me to get a better set up.

   I don't use tools of this type all that much. That fact plus wanting a really complete set moves me away from Snap On and probably away from SK, Wera and some others too. Thought about going for used Snap On but getting a complete set that way can still be expensive and more of a hassle to get say all open end wrench sizes. The Craftsman products aren't what they used to be and seem to be hit and miss. Not all bad though. There are definitely some that I am planning to get.

    So far the winner standing at the crossroads of completeness, bang for buck, and seemingly quality, features, etc. looks like Gearwrench.
   

Seth
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: SRSemenza on March 20, 2017, 09:29 AM
Ken, if you ask on Garage Journal please link it here.  I have found a bunch of useful topics on GJ by using google searches.

Seth
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: neilc on March 20, 2017, 09:42 AM
Check out www.tekton.com. I bought a number of their ratchet and combination wrench sets.  Guaranteed for life.  Got a problem, take a photo and email it and they send you a new tool.  VERY responsive.  Made in Taiwan with a nice finish and features.  Good reviews on Amazon and in YouTube videos.  I learned about them in Garage Journal.

I looked at big box brands and even higher end brands but found them to be a good alternative for non-professional use.  Still prefer Wiha and Wera for screwdrivers, but have been happy w Tekton for wrenches.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: SRSemenza on March 20, 2017, 10:25 AM
I would say the same on screwdrivers  ...... it is hard to beat the Wera, Wiha, etc. even when comparing price  barring cheapo screwdrivers.

A very nice alternative to Knipex and the like for pliers is Channellock.

Seth
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: TOOLTOWN on March 20, 2017, 11:07 AM
Lot's of great responses here.  Thank you to all that responded. 

I have some GearWrench ratcheting combination wrenches and I do like the fit and finish of them, along with the lifetime warranty.  I've broken a couple and have had good experiences with getting them replaced.  That may be the way I go.

I will pose this question over at the Garage Journal and link back over here for all who are interested. 

If anyone else has any input I am open to all of it.

Ken

Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: TOOLTOWN on March 20, 2017, 11:12 AM
For anyone who is interested here is the link to the post over in the Garage Journal forum. 

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6393623#post6393623

As I get responses over there I will try to summarize the results here.

Ken
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: coug on March 20, 2017, 11:16 AM
I am going through the same thing.  I moved my craftsman screwdriver set into my truck / RV toolbox and am just picking out the Wera's I want.  I bought a SK ratchet set for the truck.  I have a few knipex tools and they are fantastic.  I am shopping for a new torque wrench and breaker bar.  The Knipex stuff is expensive, so I am replacing things as necessary.  GJ is a great forum.  I lurk there all of the time
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: SRSemenza on March 20, 2017, 11:17 AM
A note on the Gearwrench ratcheting combination wrenches. There are several different variations. The standard length original have a lower tooth count/ higher swing arc than the XL version. And there are two versions of the XL. The newest has red / blue filled size stamps and small 3 degree swing.

In any case be sure of what you are ordering. You will find sets for as little as $50 but those are almost all the original version. Previous XL is about $75 and the current is about $100.

Same for ratchets and socket sets with ratchets.   There are previous version 84 tooth and the current 120XP which have a 60 tooth double pawl. They look exactly the same except for 120XP markings.  Again be sure of what you are ordering.

Seth
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Peter Parfitt on March 20, 2017, 12:08 PM
For anyone who is interested here is the link to the post over in the Garage Journal forum. 

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6393623#post6393623

As I get responses over there I will try to summarize the results here.

Ken

Hi Ken

Gosh some of their members are good looking !

Peter
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: RKA on March 20, 2017, 12:14 PM
I tend to prefer certain brands for certain types of tools (and in some cases do NOT like some brands).  I'm just a DIYer though, so I don't have experience with everything, but I'll summarize my preferences below.

Ratchets - Snap On, I really like their ratchets.  I haven't tried the high tooth Gearwrench ratchets, but heard very good things and would try without hesitation if I needed more ratchets.  Nepros is another interesting brand, hard to get, beautiful quality (toolbox jewelry), not cheap and completely unnecessary considering what we readily have access to, but I have one ratchet and one adjustable wrench and love them!  I tried a Wera and didn't care for it much.  I think it was too short (but not short enough to replace my short craftsman ratchet), the odd handle and plastic bits didn't sit well with me.  For some applications that swiveling head can be useful, but for auto work, this didn't appeal to me. 

Sockets - Williams USA made if that floats your boat, or their Taiwan line.  Easy to discern what's what from the part numbers.  Wright Tool is also good.  I've not been pleased with SK (finish is a little rough, chrome plating flakes off).  Koken (Japan) makes some really nice sockets for a reasonable (but not cheap) price.  I prefer 6 sided sockets for fasteners under 13mm.  Koken makes an interesting lobed profile socket to avoid rounding over fasteners, but it certainly makes it interesting when you're not sure whether the fastener is SAE or metric because that socket will always have a little more play than a standard straight walled socket (so many will not like this). 

Impact socket sets - Sunex or Gray Pneumatic (both Taiwan I think)

Socket bits - After breaking a few torx, I ponied up for Snap On (gold colored bits) and they have been really great.  I would spend money on good torx if you encounter them frequently.  VIM Tools (Taiwan) offers some good quality socket bit sets.

Screwdrivers - Snap On, Wiha (their heavy duty version).  I also have some older Craftsman Professionals that are very good, no idea if they still are?  There is a lot of personal preference in the handle design and ergonomics.  As an example, I can't stand my Wera's.  The handle design isn't all that appealing and the tips aren't durable either.  Vessel (Japan) also has some nice screwdrivers. 

Ratcheting screwdriver - I like my snap on, but mostly because of the handle shape. 

Pliers and Cutters - Knipex, Channellock.  Durability of Knipex is outstanding and some of their pliers are truly unique.  Channellock is high quality USA made stuff.  Grip On makes some nice locking pliers (I think they make them for Snap On).  For slip joint pliers, I have a set of Snap On's that have a cross hatch pattern in the jaws that are terrific!

Ratcheting wrenches - Look for something with a low swing angle.  I have Snap On's, but they are stupid expensive and I know you get Proto, SK's or other good quality at a better price.  The Gearwrench pieces I have are okay, but don't have a low swing angle. 

Picks and hook sets - I got some from PB Swiss that haven't broken on me, even the miniature set.  I would get them again if they were lost.

Pry bars - Craftsman Professional when it's on sale.  They will take a beating and the handles are nicer than the non-Pros for a little more money.  But the non-Pros are also good. 

Torque Wrenches - I have a precision instruments split beam with a flex head for the larger bolts (which I love) and an all metal SK clicker for the 3/8" stuff and a Snap On for the 1/4" stuff.  All are great.  The plastic locking rings on many of the craftsman's wear out, I gave mine away after 20 years of faithful service.  Harbor Freight actually has cheap all metal clicker style torque wrenches and they are accurate and consistent!  At $10-12 they are a bargain and a fraction of the cost of the others.  Usually this isn't a place you want to economize, but I know several people that have bought these and I checked every one. 

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.  If there are specific types of tools you're interested in, post that and I can add more detail. 
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: SRSemenza on March 20, 2017, 12:54 PM
The Gearwrench 120XP (double pawl 60 tooth that equates to having 120 teeth) ratcheting wrenches have a 3 degree swing which is much less than the original ones. I have a set on the way. I will post about them when they arrive.

I noticed on the Tekton  ratcheting wrenches that they are 6 point rather than 12 point. I get that this may have a better grip on the fastener but seems counter to part of the purpose of a ratcheting wrench, that being access and convenience getting the tool on to the fastener in a tight space. Yes, you can just turn a couple clicks but that still seems like a nuisance in tight quarters to have to mess with it.

Seth
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Hank77 on March 20, 2017, 01:02 PM
Quite a few years ago, I would work on my cars regularly.  I decided to stock up on quality tools, after some miserable experiences with cheaper tools.  Here's what I ended up with:
I built up my tool chest slowly, looking for good deals along the way.  I never worried much about having a warranty since these don't have too many moving parts (other than the torque wrenches).  Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Cheese on March 20, 2017, 01:09 PM
I'm a huge fan of Snap-on screwdrivers. Mine are over 30 years old and for many years they were used on a daily basis. Guaranteed for life, they keep extra blades in the Snap-on truck and Snap-on will remove and replace the damaged blade on the spot...no questions asked.

The screwdriver blade tips are hardened and vapor-honed to provide a surface with a little bit of tooth to hold/grab the screw recess more securely. If mine were lost or stolen today, I'd purchase another set of Snap-on screwdrivers tomorrow...they're worth the money.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: RobBob on March 20, 2017, 09:32 PM
For anyone who is interested here is the link to the post over in the Garage Journal forum. 

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6393623#post6393623

As I get responses over there I will try to summarize the results here.

Ken

Hi Ken

Gosh some of their members are good looking !

Peter

Lol.  I'll say.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Lettusbee on March 20, 2017, 09:35 PM
Has anyone tried the Dewalt sockets/ratchets and wrenches?   They actually seem pretty good from playing with them in the store. 
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: johninthecamper on March 21, 2017, 02:12 AM
Williams tool was purchased by snap on years ago,many Identical items for less.blue point is the place you probly want to be,owned by Snapon, warranty is there,made in Asia,so its cheap.you can buy a (500 piece!) set for about what craftsman costs . Problem is the warranty is long-time,my truck only had sets ,would not break them for a $2 socket (got a few common items to use(lose) for stagework),I had to order the things I got,felt like I paid at harbor freight and royal mail delivery and royal mail for the broke one(my fault,used a cheater bar)
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: TOOLTOWN on March 21, 2017, 01:36 PM
For anyone who is interested here is the link to the post over in the Garage Journal forum. 

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6393623#post6393623

As I get responses over there I will try to summarize the results here.

Ken

Hi Ken

Gosh some of their members are good looking !

Peter

Haha I'll say!
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: TOOLTOWN on March 21, 2017, 01:38 PM
I'm surprised how many people are into the Harbor Freight junk over at the other forum.  I can't stand walking into that store, it literally stinks of cheap plastic. 

I think I'll be investigating the Gear Wrench lineup.  I have some of their stuff and like the fit and finish of it.  I'll also investigate some of the brands listed here that I've not considered in the past, see how they perform.

Thanks for all the insight.

Ken
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: leakyroof on March 21, 2017, 08:53 PM
I'm surprised how many people are into the Harbor Freight junk over at the other forum.  I can't stand walking into that store, it literally stinks of cheap plastic. 

I think I'll be investigating the Gear Wrench lineup.  I have some of their stuff and like the fit and finish of it.  I'll also investigate some of the brands listed here that I've not considered in the past, see how they perform.

Thanks for all the insight.

Ken
. WHATtttt.... That's the smell of Victory...... [wink]
Okay, more like a smell of light oil that permeates every Harbor Freight on the Planet.... [embarassed]
I never dismiss old HF, there are strange, almost indestructible deals lurking in there. You just have to be daring at times and buy it , to try it....
I would actually really miss it if they went under.... [sad]
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: TOOLTOWN on March 21, 2017, 10:25 PM
I'm surprised how many people are into the Harbor Freight junk over at the other forum.  I can't stand walking into that store, it literally stinks of cheap plastic. 

I think I'll be investigating the Gear Wrench lineup.  I have some of their stuff and like the fit and finish of it.  I'll also investigate some of the brands listed here that I've not considered in the past, see how they perform.

Thanks for all the insight.

Ken
. WHATtttt.... That's the smell of Victory...... [wink]
Okay, more like a smell of light oil that permeates every Harbor Freight on the Planet.... [embarassed]
I never dismiss old HF, there are strange, almost indestructible deals lurking in there. You just have to be daring at times and buy it , to try it....
I would actually really miss it if they went under.... [sad]

Don't get me wrong, when I needed a hand truck to change my water heaters, or moving dollies I went straight there.  I got a hand truck with 12 inch pneumatic tires for about $35 with a coupon, sure the tires leak, but at that price I'm cool filling them up each time i need to use it. 

But for a hand tool I do take fit and finish into the equation.  Case in point, when I got the hand truck I had to file down some sharp edges (I cut myself loading it into the car).  I don't want that aggravation on hand tools. 

But all of us here definitely know the difference between price and value... We do all buy Festool after all [thumbs up]

Ken
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: leakyroof on March 22, 2017, 09:37 AM
I'm surprised how many people are into the Harbor Freight junk over at the other forum.  I can't stand walking into that store, it literally stinks of cheap plastic. 

I think I'll be investigating the Gear Wrench lineup.  I have some of their stuff and like the fit and finish of it.  I'll also investigate some of the brands listed here that I've not considered in the past, see how they perform.

Thanks for all the insight.

Ken
. WHATtttt.... That's the smell of Victory...... [wink]
Okay, more like a smell of light oil that permeates every Harbor Freight on the Planet.... [embarassed]
I never dismiss old HF, there are strange, almost indestructible deals lurking in there. You just have to be daring at times and buy it , to try it....
I would actually really miss it if they went under.... [sad]

Don't get me wrong, when I needed a hand truck to change my water heaters, or moving dollies I went straight there.  I got a hand truck with 12 inch pneumatic tires for about $35 with a coupon, sure the tires leak, but at that price I'm cool filling them up each time i need to use it. 

But for a hand tool I do take fit and finish into the equation.  Case in point, when I got the hand truck I had to file down some sharp edges (I cut myself loading it into the car).  I don't want that aggravation on hand tools. 

But all of us here definitely know the difference between price and value... We do all buy Festool after all [thumbs up]

Ken
  Oh the tires... Not only do they leak, but THAT SMELL......It never stops coming out of them. I think I bought some different ones from Mc-Master Carr because I got tired of the smell in the area where my Hand Truck was stored... [eek]
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: RobBob on March 22, 2017, 10:17 AM
I also bought one of the HF hand trucks with the leaky tires.  Finally got tired of it not being ready to use because of the flat tires and replaced them with flat-free tires.  Now it is never flat and always ready to go.

Marathon Tires Flat-Free Hand Truck Tire (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660488_200660488?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Tires%20%2B%20Wheels%20%3E%20Flat%20Free%20Wheels&utm_campaign=Marathon%20Tires&utm_content=50774&gclid=CMfN5Yan6tICFYMkgQodouwLwg)
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Peter_C on March 22, 2017, 01:49 PM
I also bought one of the HF hand trucks with the leaky tires.  Finally got tired of it not being ready to use because of the flat tires and replaced them with flat-free tires.  Now it is never flat and always ready to go.

Marathon Tires Flat-Free Hand Truck Tire (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660488_200660488?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Tires%20%2B%20Wheels%20%3E%20Flat%20Free%20Wheels&utm_campaign=Marathon%20Tires&utm_content=50774&gclid=CMfN5Yan6tICFYMkgQodouwLwg)
Hmmf...guess I got lucky. I bought HF's biggest tyred hand cart years ago and put air in the tyres maybe once a year. It gets used fairly often and has been an excellent ROI.

As someone who was a professional technician for decades, I have a disdain for crappy hand tools and bits. Snap-on is most often the best. Craftsman is good for when you need to cut up a wrench, grind a socket, weld onto a socket, or need a screwdriver to hammer on. SK I found out their flare nut wrenches spread more than the open side of a Snap-on box wrench. Gave them away, and bought Snap-on flare wrenches. So does quality matter as much to a non professional? Maybe more! If a nut doesn't want to come off who do you think is going to be more adept at removing a stuck nut? A professional with years in the field or a person who has never come across something like this?

Warranty is very important to me. I can break just about anything. I have a spot in my tool box for broken tools.

Wrenches should be very good quality. Impact sockets, who cares buy HF. Chrome sockets use 6 point of reasonable quality (12 points are only for 12 point bolts which are rare). Screwdrivers use good quality as extraction is a pain. Get an impact driver for removing stuck screws, as in the type you hit with a hammer, and use top quality bits with it. The Bluepoint kits from Snap-on are decent and come as a full set. They do carry a warranty, but the stores are mobile aka Snap-on tools trucks. Bluepoint is far superior to Craftsman (Other than maybe their ratchets which often are the same as Matco). As stated above there are a lot of good tool companies Wera, Wiha, Stahlwille, Proto, Knipex, Hazet, and many others. Look for replacement or warranty availability.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Richard/RMW on March 22, 2017, 02:01 PM
I'm surprised how many people are into the Harbor Freight junk over at the other forum.  I can't stand walking into that store, it literally stinks of cheap plastic. 

I think I'll be investigating the Gear Wrench lineup.  I have some of their stuff and like the fit and finish of it.  I'll also investigate some of the brands listed here that I've not considered in the past, see how they perform.

Thanks for all the insight.

Ken
. WHATtttt.... That's the smell of Victory...... [wink]
Okay, more like a smell of light oil that permeates every Harbor Freight on the Planet.... [embarassed]
I never dismiss old HF, there are strange, almost indestructible deals lurking in there. You just have to be daring at times and buy it , to try it....
I would actually really miss it if they went under.... [sad]

Yup. I wear dark glasses 8) every time I go there, but when I can buy a 4.5" angle grinder for $18 they are basically disposable. Why bother changing out the grinding disk when you can replace the whole grinder... Same goes for brad nailers.

Seriously though I did grab a second grinder so I could leave it set up with a cutoff disk and use my DW for flap sanding belts.

AND - they have Morse Portaband blades (3) for $20, same air fittings you get elsewhere, and locally available parts tumblers and abrasive media. HF Definitely has it place in the ecosystem.

RMW

Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: RobBob on March 22, 2017, 02:49 PM
Buyer beware....Big headline today says that Sears and K-Mart are near bankruptcy and may not have funds available to restock shelves.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: them700project on March 22, 2017, 03:03 PM
In my opinion if it has moving parts spend the money on something that works well.

I have owned everything from lowes brand to snap on on both socket wrenches and sockets
A cheap ratchet isnt worth buying. Get yourself something name brand when it comes to that I really like the snap on ratchets. And get some craftsman level sockets.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: TOOLTOWN on March 22, 2017, 03:12 PM
Buyer beware....Big headline today says that Sears and K-Mart are near bankruptcy and may not have funds available to restock shelves.

True for Sears/K-mart,  but the craftsman name has been sold to Stanley.  So even if those two stores shut down Crftsman will live on in some way. 

I am a bit dubious about the future quality of the brand.  And even at it's peak there were better options.

Ken
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: JimD on March 22, 2017, 09:05 PM
I carry a tool roll filled with tools from HF in my BMW and I am happy with them, at least most of them.  I do not like the screwdriver much but it works.  The combination wrenches are good quality.  The sockets, 6 point, are also very useful.  I use the plastic ratchets in both 3/8 and 1/4.  I also carry an extendable 3/8 I use for wheel nuts.  If they are torqued correctly it works fine.  I also have 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 inch torque wrenches from HF, jack stands, and jack.  For heavy iron type things, I think HF if fine.  I am not surprised a Festool dealer would not be attracted to the place, their stuff cannot be considered in the same league as Festool, but the prices aren't either. 

I have other tools, including some old Craftsman which are definitely nicer than newer Craftsman, but nothing I like significantly better than the HF.  For something reasonable in cost, I think they are a good deal.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Cheese on March 22, 2017, 09:11 PM
I carry a tool roll filled with tools from HF in my BMW and I am happy with them, at least most of them. 

BMW + Harbor Freight...those are truly strange bedfellows. Kind of like jumbo shrimp...
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Claimdude on March 22, 2017, 11:36 PM
+1 Wera. Check KC Tools and Amazon

Jack
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Bob D. on March 25, 2017, 08:47 PM
"... Harbor Freight actually has cheap all metal clicker style torque wrenches and they are accurate and consistent!  At $10-12 they are a bargain and a fraction of the cost of the others.  Usually this isn't a place you want to economize, but I know several people that have bought these and I checked every one. ..."

I am curious how you checked these, do you have a calibrated torque tester or just doing a comparison torque check on a bolt which has been torqued with a calibrated torque wrench?
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Samo on March 25, 2017, 08:59 PM
"Harbor Freight actually has cheap all metal clicker style torque wrenches and they are accurate and consistent!"

No offense, but not on something I (or someone I like) would drive.  [blink]
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Rollin22Petes on March 25, 2017, 09:10 PM
There cheap for a reason I have personally never bought a tool at Harbor BREAK  that was worth the time it took me to drive to the store. 
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Samo on March 25, 2017, 10:19 PM
There cheap for a reason I have personally never bought a tool at Harbor BREAK  that was worth the time it took me to drive to the store.

A good friend of mine, who is not usually stupid, bought the Harbor Freight Mechanics Pry Bar Set.  You know, the type that you would use to pry on a part that you need to pop off without too much force, like Aluminum heads etc.

Half of the largest pry bar, popped off when we were working together and bonked him in the head.  Could have easily hurt him if it had not hit in the middle of his fat forehead.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Rollin22Petes on March 25, 2017, 10:42 PM
I'm glad your buddy is OK but I couldn't help but laugh at that. But that also brings up a good point he could have been seriously hurt or lost an eye. Simply not worth it just to save a few bucks I'm willing to bet his next set was of a better quality. 
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: RKA on March 25, 2017, 10:43 PM
"... Harbor Freight actually has cheap all metal clicker style torque wrenches and they are accurate and consistent!  At $10-12 they are a bargain and a fraction of the cost of the others.  Usually this isn't a place you want to economize, but I know several people that have bought these and I checked every one. ..."

I am curious how you checked these, do you have a calibrated torque tester or just doing a comparison torque check on a bolt which has been torqued with a calibrated torque wrench?

Just checking against my PI split beam (not calibrated) and a digital torque meter.  No scientific testing here.  The consistency was there. 

Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Samo on March 25, 2017, 10:54 PM
"... Harbor Freight actually has cheap all metal clicker style torque wrenches and they are accurate and consistent!  At $10-12 they are a bargain and a fraction of the cost of the others.  Usually this isn't a place you want to economize, but I know several people that have bought these and I checked every one. ..."

I am curious how you checked these, do you have a calibrated torque tester or just doing a comparison torque check on a bolt which has been torqued with a calibrated torque wrench?








Just checking against my PI split beam (not calibrated) and a digital torque meter.  No scientific testing here.  The consistency was there.

Tool Trucks have a more precise method.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: PreferrablyWood on March 26, 2017, 02:51 AM
I'm a son of a master fixer, so even though I have limited need, I went and outfitted my setup with the recommended brands, Stahlwille 1/4,3/8,1/2 6 point socket sets, Box and open ended wrenches up 32mm, ratcheting stubby screw driver, Cold chisels and punch pins set, inspection mirror, Hazet Deep 6 point sockets mini bit ratchet, Wera screw drivers and  a impact bit set. Felo 1000v screw driver kit with drivers that kan be used with the smaller speed handle or inserted into a holder. Gedore odd things. I want so heavy duty pry bars either Gedore or Hazet. Will get the Hazet 1/2" telescoping ratchet. Bought a proxxon ratcheting wrench set. This was done over a couple of years. Knipex Cobra 150,180,250, combination pliers, wire cutters cable cutters, precision flat needle nose, ringlclip pliers. no mane needle nose.. Additional things not yet acquired a couple of Stahlwille torque wrenches, prybars in various sizes..
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: RKA on March 26, 2017, 11:12 AM
"... Harbor Freight actually has cheap all metal clicker style torque wrenches and they are accurate and consistent!  At $10-12 they are a bargain and a fraction of the cost of the others.  Usually this isn't a place you want to economize, but I know several people that have bought these and I checked every one. ..."

I am curious how you checked these, do you have a calibrated torque tester or just doing a comparison torque check on a bolt which has been torqued with a calibrated torque wrench?








Just checking against my PI split beam (not calibrated) and a digital torque meter.  No scientific testing here.  The consistency was there.

Tool Trucks have a more precise method.

You and I aren't the first people to raise a brow at the HF torque wrenches and if one is so inclined, one could do more homework to see what [better] testing has revealed.  I certainly didn't recommend it based on my idea that a $12 tool could supplant a $130 tool.  I was equally skeptical and despite my efforts to find its failings, it works quite well.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: Samo on March 26, 2017, 01:45 PM
"... Harbor Freight actually has cheap all metal clicker style torque wrenches and they are accurate and consistent!  At $10-12 they are a bargain and a fraction of the cost of the others.  Usually this isn't a place you want to economize, but I know several people that have bought these and I checked every one. ..."

I am curious how you checked these, do you have a calibrated torque tester or just doing a comparison torque check on a bolt which has been torqued with a calibrated torque wrench?








Just checking against my PI split beam (not calibrated) and a digital torque meter.  No scientific testing here.  The consistency was there.

Tool Trucks have a more precise method.

You and I aren't the first people to raise a brow at the HF torque wrenches and if one is so inclined, one could do more homework to see what [better] testing has revealed.  I certainly didn't recommend it based on my idea that a $12 tool could supplant a $130 tool.  I was equally skeptical and despite my efforts to find its failings, it works quite well.

 [scratch chin]  My apologies.

I may be guilty of being a little judgemental and have not been inclined to look further at HF.  My friend's little accident and the fact that I smelled this horrible off gassing the last time I was in there is mostly why.

I do have a few things from them, small jack stands and a long 1/2" breaker bar.  Just be careful and safe using their stuff and I don't think the product is at all consistent.  If I want something again, I'll mail order it or have my friend pick it up.

Thanks for the heads up on the torque wrenches and I do pay attention to the recommendations for the various manufacturers.
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: JimD on March 26, 2017, 06:38 PM
It may not be something for the FOG but other forums I participate in have threads where people report what they think are good buys at Harbor Freight (HF).  It is definitely a place where you can get useless junk (like a woodworking dado set I bought there once).  But it is also a place where you can get very usable tools at a good price.  I tend to avoid them for power tools but I needed a hammer drill with a demolition mode and bought one at HF for less than $100.  The mode switch is a little baulky but it has taken down one chimney and about 8'x8' of brick veneer so far.  It also drills large holes in concrete without me having to push on it.  My son gave me a cordless impact wrench from HF when we were replacing floats on the dock a few years ago.  It drove 3/8 lags into 2x4s with no pilot hole.  Did about 20 floats (so 80 lags) on one battery.  I still use it to quickly spin on or off larger bolts. 

The composite, plastic covered, ratchets are actually pretty decent.  Others not so much.  I don't like their 12 point sockets (don't seem to be machined well) but the six point haven't rounded a nut for me yet.  I actually like their combination wrenches.  They are all smooth so they are easy to clean.  Markings may come off, however.  Hasn't happened yet. 

I thought somebody might like the contrast of HF tools in a bimmer.  I use a HF torque wrench on it too, but so far only for drain plug and filter cap tightening.  The drain plug is going into aluminum so I do not want to overtighten and the filter cap is plastic - but must be adequately tightened.  If I rebuilt engines for a living I would get better torque wrenches.  But for my uses, HF is fine. 
Title: Re: Mechanics tool recommendation wanted
Post by: demographic on April 02, 2017, 03:40 AM
One thing I've noticed with the soft grip stuff the tool manufacturers use ( even the posh manufacturers like Wera) is that if it gets oil or solvent (remember, mechanics tools here) on the soft grip part it STINKS like puke and goes like a chewing gum consistancy. Ugh.

I prefer the square hard handle screwdrivers over that.