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GENERAL DISCUSSIONS => Other Tools & Accessories => Topic started by: morogue on February 14, 2010, 05:36 PM

Title: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: morogue on February 14, 2010, 05:36 PM
So what is this thing, and has anyone used or seen it?
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: harry_ on February 14, 2010, 05:39 PM
got a link?
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Charimon on February 14, 2010, 06:00 PM
Got this off Google  never seen it before
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202019771&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&cm_sp=1c4cdb4b-d1cb-4782-8ca9-995496c1e806 (http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202019771&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&cm_sp=1c4cdb4b-d1cb-4782-8ca9-995496c1e806)

(http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/80/80c9e425-cdf2-4d77-98a9-06c6d1557b33_300.jpg)

Looks like it promises alot  for under $400

Craig
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 14, 2010, 06:07 PM
Got this off Google  never seen it before


Looks like it promises alot  for under $400

Craig


"Manufacturer?s suggested retail price is $1,597.00"   [eek] 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: harry_ on February 14, 2010, 06:30 PM


"Manufacturer?s suggested retail price is $1,597.00"   [eek] 

yeah, but we all know that with few exceptions MSRP's from American manufacturers are to be taken with a grain of salt
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: morogue on February 14, 2010, 10:29 PM
It is on home depot's site with some glowing reviews...

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202019771&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&PID=1319015&cm_mmc=CJ-_-shopping_com-_-D24X-_-202019771&cpncode=22-47512974-2&AID=10368321&cj=true&srccode=cii_13736960 (http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202019771&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&PID=1319015&cm_mmc=CJ-_-shopping_com-_-D24X-_-202019771&cpncode=22-47512974-2&AID=10368321&cj=true&srccode=cii_13736960)

Milwaukee hasn't ever disappointed me (sawzall, worm-drive circ saws, and corded drill), it really doesn't seem possible.

I can't find a store with it within 100 miles of LA.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Charimon on February 14, 2010, 10:53 PM
now i am thinking i should grab one in case the price is a mistake.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Steve-CO on February 14, 2010, 11:39 PM

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202019771&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&PID=1319015&cm_mmc=CJ-_-shopping_com-_-D24X-_-202019771&cpncode=22-47512974-2&AID=10368321&cj=true&srccode=cii_13736960 (http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202019771&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&PID=1319015&cm_mmc=CJ-_-shopping_com-_-D24X-_-202019771&cpncode=22-47512974-2&AID=10368321&cj=true&srccode=cii_13736960)

I can't find a store with it within 100 miles of LA.

The ad says on-line only

here's a short video, Milwaukee ToolTV: Airless/Finish Paint Sprayer M4910-20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnycI0V1nw0#)
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Brice Burrell on February 15, 2010, 09:46 AM
now i am thinking i should grab one in case the price is a mistake.

I can't help but thing you're right.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Tom Bellemare on February 15, 2010, 11:19 AM
They sold me one. It hasn't shipped yet so we'll see if it does...


Tom
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: morogue on February 16, 2010, 05:01 PM
Well, just was in the Newbury Park CA HmDpt and they have a display and two in boxes. Of course, no one knows a thing about it...
I tried reading the manual, and obtuse would be a compliment. Perhaps someone who uses airless would understand it better.
Is it a "turbine assisted airless" or "pump assisted turbine" in "fine mode"? Does that make up for the two stage turbine?
It would be awesome to spray my stucco exterior and patio cover (maybe even reseal my redwood fence), and then turn around and finely spray some interior trim and built-ins I'm working on!!!!
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Brice Burrell on February 16, 2010, 05:33 PM
Well, just was in the Newbury Park CA HmDpt and they have a display and two in boxes....

What was the price?
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: morogue on February 16, 2010, 08:05 PM
Same as internet: $379. I know, all I could think was, uh you can get: a really good conversion gun, or a fairly decent hvlp, or a disposable/diy airless for that amount...
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Steve-CO on February 20, 2010, 10:01 PM
Anyone thinking of getting this, here's a coupon (http://milwaukeepropaint.com/pdf/M4910-20_rebate_flyer_2.pdf) for $100 off, final price $279.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Tom Bellemare on February 20, 2010, 10:21 PM
Thanks, Steve!

A Franklin buys a lot...

Mine arrived a couple of days ago. It appears to be a solid piece of goods. I won't have a chance to use it for a little while but I thought it sounded like a good deal so I jumped on it. This makes the deal a lot sweeter.


Tom
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: rnt80 on February 21, 2010, 09:18 AM
I might have a crown job coming up that will be 1500+lf, this would ideal.  I've got a nice Asturo gun now with a pressure pot but I wouldn't want to use that for this job.  Being able to spray directly from a 5 gallon bucket would be perfect.  Let us know how the unit performs.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: darelv on February 21, 2010, 01:38 PM
Hey Tom Bellemare can you tell does the spray gun and hose connection has a SWIWEL? Did you try the sprayer? Is the spray pattern unified?
Thank you in advance for respond
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Tom Bellemare on February 21, 2010, 02:47 PM
No, the gun doesn't swivel. In fact, there are two hoses - one for pressurized fluid and one for air, which is used if you are in HVLP mode.


Tom
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: John Stevens on February 21, 2010, 09:49 PM
Is the HVLP part a gimmick?

Aren't HVLP systems around a grand?  I mean, ones that aren't a PITA to use or clean.

Is it possible that Milwaukee's machine could give comparable performance at 40%-50% the cost of a Fuji, for example?

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Robert Robinson on February 22, 2010, 03:18 AM
Anyone thinking of getting this, here's a coupon (http://milwaukeepropaint.com/pdf/M4910-20_rebate_flyer_2.pdf) for $100 off, final price $279.
I couldn't get the coupon to work. It says Adobe file is damaged and cannot be repaired.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: nico on February 22, 2010, 06:12 AM
Does anyone know if they sell something similar in Europe ( Belgium) for that price?
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Alex on February 22, 2010, 07:34 AM
Does anyone know if they sell something similar in Europe ( Belgium) for that price?

I have never seen anything with this functionality at this price. I am really amazed they can market this at this price, having both the airless and HVLP functionality in one. Of course I don't know at what quality standard this thing is built. If it works it's extremely good value for the money.

The things that comes closest to this in Europe that I know about are Wagner's products. Wagner has a line of spray equipment that ranges from Pro to Semi-Pro to Hobbyist. Even their Semi-Pro line is a lot more expensive than this Milwaukee sprayer. Check out some of Wagner's Hobbyist and Semi-Pro lines at ToolProf (http://www.toolprof.nl/merken/51/wagner.html). They also ship to Belgium but I'm sure Wagner is also sold in Belgium.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Steve-CO on February 22, 2010, 09:30 AM
Anyone thinking of getting this, here's a coupon (http://milwaukeepropaint.com/pdf/M4910-20_rebate_flyer_2.pdf) for $100 off, final price $279.
I couldn't get the coupon to work. It says Adobe file is damaged and cannot be repaired.

It's still working for me, maybe you need to upgrade the version of Adobe you're using.  Under the Help menu in Adobe, select Check For Updates.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Robert Robinson on February 22, 2010, 04:58 PM
Well, it's working now. I didn't do anything, but click on it again. I tried 3 or 4 times last night, but got the same response. Thanks for posting that. I have the Wagner airless sprayer, but for that price, would love to own this one too.
Title: We need a report on the system, even just Yeah/Neah...
Post by: morogue on February 24, 2010, 03:36 PM
I think we all would love to hear anything regarding this system in use, thanks.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Memphis Larry on March 12, 2010, 10:47 AM
Bump.

Still thinking about buying one of these sprayers.   Would like to use the $100 rebate good for the remainder of this month.

Any feedback from actual users?  Tom??
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Charimon on March 12, 2010, 06:05 PM
Hey
I found out some DISAPPOINTING information on these....TTI Milwaukee's owner has pulled a Porter-Cable here The internal parts to this are all from Milwaukee's sister Ryobi  [sad]   TTI rebadged  ryobi mechanics in Milwaukee red and black  ........ shame on them
 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: harry_ on March 13, 2010, 10:13 AM
is there a problem with ryobi mechanics?

For the price point, they actually decent tools.



A Corolla is not a Lexus, but it can still cart you to the store :D
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Peter Halle on March 13, 2010, 10:35 AM
is there a problem with ryobi mechanics?

For the price point, they actually decent tools.



A Corolla is not a Lexus, but it can still cart you to the store :D

Manufacturers of tools typically manufacture - or have manufactured - to a price point.  The Festool users out there are lucky because Festool focuses on quality, longevity, innovation, and not necessarily price.  I think the tools that we will see this year will put an exclamation point on that.  That is why they are comfortable enough to offer the warranties they do.

I think the issue at hand is when manufacturers have several quality lines and then use the reputation (goodwill) of one line whose history has been of better quality to sell a product that is really a rebadged lesser quality product.

I have many Ryobi tools from the 1980's when they first came out as competition to Makita.  There were lawsuits at that time regarding price dumping and also similarity of colors.  They were very innovative and they still are.  They do indeed serve a place in the tool chain. 

Peter

Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: WarnerConstCo. on March 13, 2010, 10:45 AM
Peter- I have several older Ryobi's.

They were made in Japan and were really similar to the Makita's at the time.

I still have 2 grinders and a electric drill that are working like new.

Kind of a shame a company can start out like that and end up where they are now.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: mastercabman on March 13, 2010, 10:54 AM
Peter- I have several older Ryobi's.

They were made in Japan and were really similar to the Makita's at the time.

I still have 2 grinders and a electric drill that are working like new.

Kind of a shame a company can start out like that and end up where they are now.
Look at PORTER&CABLE I think they are doing the same thing!
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: jonny round boy on March 13, 2010, 11:57 AM
Peter- I have several older Ryobi's.

They were made in Japan and were really similar to the Makita's at the time.

I still have 2 grinders and a electric drill that are working like new.

Kind of a shame a company can start out like that and end up where they are now.
Look at PORTER&CABLE I think they are doing the same thing!

The above is true of nearly every company that's ever existed - at least those with more than half a dozen employees. It's how the world works, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: WarnerConstCo. on March 13, 2010, 01:49 PM
That's what happens when they look at price points first and then fill in the blanks.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Charimon on March 13, 2010, 04:04 PM
Remember the Cadillac Cimerion  [blink] Re-badged Pontiac.

People Expect a certain things from a brand. 

 
is there a problem with ryobi mechanics?

For the price point, they actually decent tools.

The fact is if TTI had launched this as a Ryobi It would have never even bliped on our radar.   

Rather than have its own thread on FOG
Craig
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: quietguy on March 13, 2010, 09:41 PM
I believe that the Cadillac Cimarron was actually a re-badged Opal, not a Pontiac. 
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: WarnerConstCo. on March 13, 2010, 10:18 PM
Actually, here in the states it was a re-badged chevy cavalier.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Charimon on March 13, 2010, 10:22 PM
no it is a GM J series its siblings were the Chevy Cavalier  and the Pontiac J 2000  it even used the Pontiac motor.


upon further research we are  ALL right:

Many vehicles used this platform including the following American nameplates:

    * 1982?1988 Cadillac Cimarron
    * 1982?1988 Oldsmobile Firenza
    * 1982?1989 Buick Skyhawk
    * 1982?2005 Chevrolet Cavalier
    * 1982 Pontiac J2000
    * 1983 Pontiac 2000
    * 1984 Pontiac 2000 Sunbird
    * 1985?1994 Pontiac Sunbird
    * 1995?2005 Pontiac Sunfire

International J-bodies include:

    * 1982?1988 Opel Ascona C (Europe and South Africa)
    * 1982?1988 Vauxhall Cavalier Mk II (United Kingdom)
    * 1983?1989 Isuzu Aska (Japan) (originally called Florian Aska)
    * 1982?1989 Holden Camira (Australia and New Zealand)
    * 1982?1996 Chevrolet Monza (Brazil)
   


Craig

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658533_1658526,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658533_1658526,00.html)
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: WarnerConstCo. on March 13, 2010, 10:44 PM
Was that the best cadillac had to choose from? [sad]
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: RonWen on March 14, 2010, 12:20 AM
I had a 1981 Chevy Citation that had the exact body as the Caddy Cimmaron.
Title: Anymore Feedback on this?
Post by: Christopher Fitch on March 15, 2010, 12:42 PM
Has anyone who just bought one had a chance to try it out?

How does it perform?
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Tom Bellemare on March 15, 2010, 01:16 PM
I bought one but haven't had a chance to use it yet. This past weekend was the first I've gotten back to work outside due to unusual weather and other pressing matters.

I have some painting to do and will get to it soon, hopefully. I'll post my impressions as soon as I try the thing.

It appears to be pretty well made. The proof is in the performance...


Tom
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: morogue on March 29, 2010, 07:00 AM
So, for everyone who is trying to get some useful info regarding the Milwaukee sprayer...

An actual user using it and talking about it--  http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=133451 (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=133451)



EDIT:  made link selectable for convenience
Peter Halle - moderator
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: morogue on April 05, 2010, 04:31 AM
So I got it.
Loved it all the way through assembly--really beefy cart, nicest wheels I've seen in a while, clever accessory bag...
Got to the gun and the doubts arose. It's crap. Milwaukee is so full of it for claiming it's a $700 dollar value. I've seen better guns in Harbor Freight. It's all chromed brass and PAINTED aluminum. The tips they provide are of dubious quality. The tip guard is too small and tight to the nozzle. The hvlp hose is just super cheap plastic with plastic connectors.
The thing only has controls for the pump, with no control for the turbine.
To prime the pump and get material to the gun, you have spent nearly a half gallon, so good luck with shooting the good stuff (and the cleanup).
So, to the spraying (in hvlp)--lame. Just can't atomize and the pattern is inconsistent. Playing with the only control (pump) yielded unsatisfactory results in both directions. Then it sputters.The pump kicking in and out varies the quality of the spray a great deal as you spray.
The only way to get a decent and consistent pattern is to run the pump way higher than recommended, but then the material is coming out WAY more than you can handle, at least for waterbourne clear...
So, back to the Home Depot it goes.
Probably would do well spraying 5 gallons of exterior latex at a time.
I'm curious if anyone here got theirs going any better.
Also, wondering if there is such a thing as a tip smaller than .010, as it seems that might make a world of difference.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: Kim on April 05, 2010, 09:31 AM
morogue,

Thanks for the update. I almost got one too but when I read that it was just rebranded Ryobi I thought I be better off to keep looking

Were you able to use the extra 100.00 coupon?

Kim
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: morogue on April 06, 2010, 06:03 AM
There is no $100 coupon, it was a rebate and it ended.
I did waste a $25 Lowes coupon on the purchase, though. That stung. The HD was cool though, and offered to give me a $25 credit if I had something to purchase that evening. I was so bummed, I didn't even take them up on it.
I looked at the new Husky "pro" hvlp guns that run ~$95, but from what I hear they are just Campbell Hausefeld... Have heard a wide spectrum of opinions on them. For a little more, you can get into a real name brand like Asturo or Devibiss, which is probably the direction I'm heading.
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: MetalWych on May 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
I just purchased the Airless/Finish Paint Sprayer M4910-20 yesterday to paint the stucco with Electromeric paint, which they said it would not do.  It did it with no issues.  Awesome machine.  Got it for $379.00 at home depot.  Its big and powerful and works perfectly!
Title: Re: Milwaukee Airless/Fine Finish Paint Sprayer Hub Model # M4910-20
Post by: b2hart on January 05, 2011, 04:08 PM
It seems to be impossible to get parts for the spray gun.(Perhaps other parts too). They do not have any listing in their parts catalog. I just spent 2 hours trying, with the usual waits, etc. They try to shuffle you back and forth between tech support and parts. If anyone has any positive experiences please let me know.