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Offline Mavrik

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Mini table saw ?
« on: June 01, 2016, 05:21 PM »
I've got TS 55 & MFT table.
Also have a bandsaw.

As frequently discussed there are some jobs needing something else for precision cutting of small things.

I contemplated a portable table saw like the DW 745.
I have never used a table saw.
In reality that exposed blade terrifies me somewhat.
The reviews all say "very useful,  not for precision"

I want to make small stuff. With precision.

I've recently become aware of model builders mini table saws.
Proxxon makes one.
And others.

What views or experiences do people have of these?


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Offline Nestor

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2016, 08:08 PM »
If the exposed blade concerns you, get a Sawstop job site saw.


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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2016, 10:40 PM »
Research "Table Saw Sled" also. They make cutting small things far more accurate and to a point safer. Although I am sure you can buy one, most are built.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2016, 10:56 PM »
If your really serious about making small things and want to be as safe as possible look at the Bridge Coty Tool Works jointmaker pro. The price may make you throw up but it's exactly what your looking for.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2016, 12:27 AM »
What is it that you are planning to do?
DW745 and Proxxon are different classes of machines
For delicate modeling work check this out http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/tablesaw.html


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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2016, 03:31 AM »
I often make models (to varying degrees) of projects I'm going to make in order to work out a design, or for interaction with a client. Sometimes I'm making small elements for a larger project, or fabricating small parts for an artistic/sculptural endevor. 

To that end I have a collection of "desktop / bench top" machines and hand tools/machines to accomplish that goal. Of some of the desktop machines, I have the Bridge Cities - Jointmaker Pro, the Brynes - table saw, disc sander, thickness sander, Proxxons - Chop & miter saw and Hotwire cutter.

When making small parts safety is a major concern and I find it far more comfortable to make small parts on machines that are designed with that in mind. (Caution - one could lop off a fingertip just as easy on small machines as well)

When doing rips, especially longer ones I find the Brynes table saw works better than the Jointmaker, keep in mind that on the Brynes u have either a three or four inch blade so the max cutting height is about an inch. For more convoluted angle cuts and special effects on smaller parts nothing quite rivals the Jointmaker.

The quality of the Byrnes machines are second to none, they are fabricated completely in Orlando, Florida by a machinist that started out building model ships and he couldn't find tools to his liking so that was his starting point, the rest is very much history. The luthiers just recently discovered Jims machines and that influx has been keeping him quite busy.

Cheers

Ps. Thru Model machines website there is a link to a very good review, there is also a very in depth review on YouTube if you feel like a bedtime story. :)
« Last Edit: June 02, 2016, 03:36 AM by Roger Savatteri »
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2016, 05:17 AM »
That is awesome...
I am not sure what defines small for the OP, the next size up could be an Erika60. But in that small size I like that Byrnes unit.

I often make models (to varying degrees) of projects I'm going to make in order to work out a design, or for interaction with a client. Sometimes I'm making small elements for a larger project, or fabricating small parts for an artistic/sculptural endevor. 

To that end I have a collection of "desktop / bench top" machines and hand tools/machines to accomplish that goal. Of some of the desktop machines, I have the Bridge Cities - Jointmaker Pro, the Brynes - table saw, disc sander, thickness sander, Proxxons - Chop & miter saw and Hotwire cutter.

When making small parts safety is a major concern and I find it far more comfortable to make small parts on machines that are designed with that in mind. (Caution - one could lop off a fingertip just as easy on small machines as well)

When doing rips, especially longer ones I find the Brynes table saw works better than the Jointmaker, keep in mind that on the Brynes u have either a three or four inch blade so the max cutting height is about an inch. For more convoluted angle cuts and special effects on smaller parts nothing quite rivals the Jointmaker.

The quality of the Byrnes machines are second to none, they are fabricated completely in Orlando, Florida by a machinist that started out building model ships and he couldn't find tools to his liking so that was his starting point, the rest is very much history. The luthiers just recently discovered Jims machines and that influx has been keeping him quite busy.

Cheers

Ps. Thru Model machines website there is a link to a very good review, there is also a very in depth review on YouTube if you feel like a bedtime story. :)


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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2016, 08:43 AM »
If you're really serious about making small things and want to be as safe as possible look at the Bridge Coty Tool Works jointmaker pro. The price may make you throw up but it's exactly what your looking for.

I bought one several years ago. Sold it about six months later. It's the most exact cutting saw I've ever used. However, it's cutting capability is limited to approximately 6" inches. If someone can work within that limitation and willing to pay the horrendous price, then this is the saw to get. Otherwise, suggest people look elsewhere.
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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2016, 09:05 AM »
@Roger Savatteri great to see you posting! 

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2016, 09:14 AM »
@neilc Totally Agreed!
@Roger Savatteri ABSOLUTELY GREAT TO SEE YOUR POST!

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2016, 09:18 AM »
@Roger Savatteri great to see you posting!

Agree! I was just thinking about Roger a few days ago.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2016, 10:06 AM »
Many yonks ago bought eldest son a toy "5 in 1" multi-purpose, battery powered, woodworking thingy.   
Only for balsa wood - had lots of fun - for a while!   [big grin] 

Upgraded to various Proxxon individual machines.  Somewhere still have polystyrene cutter, and, the smallest table saw.  The rest went over time. 

Distinctly under-impressed with the saws - imho too much play, for eg, in the mitre groove. 
Would never buy, without verifying, that really up to whatever expectations you have. 
Would strongly researching carefully if thinking of going for Proxxon - or anything else come to that.   

The Jointmaker Pro, and in particular, the Byrnes table saw look awesome - thanks for the heads up Rodger. 
Like the idea of home-made table saw sled as well. 

But...as mentioned, what are you wanting to make with the saw. 

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Offline Holmz

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2016, 03:18 PM »
... If someone can work within that limitation and willing to pay the horrendous price, then this is the saw to get...

The base saw is 450$ ?

Offline Mavrik

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2016, 03:44 PM »
The times I've found myself needing it have been for luthier type work.

Without such a tool I use my bandsaw and then clean up with a sander

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2016, 04:00 PM »
Someone mentioned Jointmaker. While very accurate you can't make rip cuts on it. Long and narrow that is.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2016, 04:07 PM »
That Byrnes saw looks unbelievably beautiful.
I did send them a message on their website to see if I could get one in South Africa but didn't get a response.

I nearly pulled the trigger on a Proxxon saw which is available here.
Until I read some reviews.
Which appear to be reinforced here.

I would be prepared to pay the price of the Byrnes saw.
I tend to buy one decent tool per year.
(Only way I've managed to build up my Festool collection over many many years)
:)

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2016, 04:19 PM »
That Byrnes saw looks unbelievably beautiful.
I did send them a message on their website to see if I could get one in South Africa but didn't get a response.

I nearly pulled the trigger on a Proxxon saw which is available here.
Until I read some reviews.
Which appear to be reinforced here.

I would be prepared to pay the price of the Byrnes saw.
I tend to buy one decent tool per year.
(Only way I've managed to build up my Festool collection over many many years)
:)

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You'll need 220V motor or converter. The original saw is for the US @ 110V.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2016, 04:54 PM »
That Byrnes saw looks unbelievably beautiful.
I did send them a message on their website to see if I could get one in South Africa but didn't get a response.

I nearly pulled the trigger on a Proxxon saw which is available here.
Until I read some reviews.
Which appear to be reinforced here.

I would be prepared to pay the price of the Byrnes saw.
I tend to buy one decent tool per year.
(Only way I've managed to build up my Festool collection over many many years)
:)

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You'll need 220V motor or converter. The original saw is for the US @ 110V.

The 110v has a price of $450, and on their website there was a $475 version that said 230v.

Furthermore I believe the USPS and UPS, and FedEx all ship to South Afrika.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2016, 05:20 PM »
Mavrik,

Ok, to help clarify I just called Model Machines for you and spoke with Donna (his wife) who deals with the shipping side. Firstly, they do ship to South Africa and they only use UPS, they used to use USPS until they had a spat of international issues and they will never use USPS again. You need to go thru the order form and pick out what you want and when u get to the cart it should give u the option to send it as quote. ( if that does not work for u just send it as a screen shot file) but she needs that breakdown it order to calculate a shipping charge. On that note I asked her what the ballpark figure would be and she said about $180. (If that helps your decision)
You should order the 220 Version for your neck of the woods.

Oh, one more thing to add to your decisions,
They do offer an extended table top version where the depth of cut from the blade to the fence would be 7 inches instead of the standard 3.75 inches to the fence. That would be on either side of the blade. Everything else , motor housing etc remains the same. The wait time is longer because it's not a "stock" item on their side.  Don't look for that option on their website because they don't publish that at the moment.
And yes there is an up charge for the extended top,,, add $175 to that tally. :)


{Ps. To give u a comparison if u lived in California shipping from Orlando would be about $60 (UPS)}

Ok, lunch break is over, time to go back to work.

Cheers,
Roger

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2016, 06:13 PM »
Thanks Roger !
Very kind & generous of you !
:)

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2016, 08:11 PM »
My dad did some of the most intricate work of anybody I have known.  He worked in miniature with wood, metal, plaster, cloth, plastics, you name it he probably worked with it.  For woodworking, he had a 10" Delta Table saw, a 9" homelite bandsaw that I now have and an 8" craftsman Radial arm saw.  The table saw, even tho it was designed to use a 10" blade, he used it mostly with a fine toothed 6" blade, or smaller.  The bandsaw, I don't know how fine a blade he used, I only inherited the saw itself.  The RAS he setup with a worm drive to give better control. He often used a camera to sight his work as he did the finishing touches.  Some projects he work almost entirely by looking thru his camera. 

Not suggesting the same tools for use here.  I like Roger's suggestions. My dad would have had the JMP, I am sure, had it been around while he was alive.  It might have allowed him to work a little longer.  He worked for a few years after he was declared legally blind. He had ARED, but even tho he could not see directly in front thru the center of his eye, he figured ways to see using the tools he had. I have a lot of his hand tools, some I don't even know what they are.  Every now and then, I need something I don't have, or don't even know what it is that I need.  I look thru his old boxes and suddenly, i discover just what I need.
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Offline Mavrik

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2016, 12:44 PM »
I'm seriously entertaining the idea of pulling the trigger on the Byrnes saw.
There are a number of optional extra's.
Wonder which would be useful ...
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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2016, 04:53 PM »
Thank you for your help.
As a direct result of this thread I just made (large) payment for a Jim Byrnes saw.
I'm very excited.

Oh ... and Jim & Donna are a pleasure to deal with.

I like Jim's sense of humour.
I sent him an exploratory email saying "I'm not sure if I need the wider saw table"
His answer "I'm also not sure if you need the wider saw table"
 [big grin]

I didn't get the wider saw table.
 [big grin]




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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2016, 10:38 PM »
Thank you for your help.
As a direct result of this thread I just made (large) payment for a Jim Byrnes saw.
I'm very excited.
...

I am looking forward to reading how it goes for you.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2016, 01:21 AM »
I bought a Byrne saw not long ago and love it. I paid extra and opted for the bigger 18" table top with 7" of rip
capacity. The larger table was $625 for the basic saw. It is the most accurate cutting tool I have ever used.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2016, 02:21 AM »
@rbaker36 - Could you please give some indication of what you are doing with it?
(I am trying to get my head around possibilities)

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2016, 03:17 AM »
Holmz,
I am going to use it for a number of different things. I plan to build intricate jewelry boxes using it and my Incra Ultra. The boxes I envision are the sort with complex joinery work (e.g., double dovetails), interior dividers with micro box joints, wooden hinges, and even concealed spaces. I also plan to use it for jig work and picture frames. Lastly, I plan to try my hand at a scratch built wooden ship.
Rob

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2016, 03:21 AM »
Holmz,
I can take a pic or two if you would like to see the bigger saw Model Machines makes. I can also include pics of some of the extras I ordered. Realize though, my bigger saw is by no means a "big saw."  [smile]
Rob

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2016, 03:58 AM »
Thanks @rbaker36 - I am thinking about Shoji myself.
I should probably just use a pull saw...  [unsure] , but I like the look of those little saws.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2016, 03:44 PM »
Here's a picture of my Byrnes model table saw
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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2016, 03:46 PM »
That looks like it is very finely made. Nice.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2016, 12:49 AM »
Somewhat embarrassed to admit I don't know how to use a table saw.
Did some trial cuts on my shiny new tool.
Using the mitre gauge in crosscut mode it works fabulously.

But I really showed my novicehood while trying to cut thin strips of Baltic birch ply against the fence.

I didn't push the ply down between blade & fence.
Have invented a missile launcher.
At end of cut the piece would shoot the length of the workshop.
On another trial the whole piece kicked back violently.

The saw is in a cupboard until I learn the basics of how to use it.

14 years with a ts55 and never had kickback once.

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2016, 08:28 AM »
Somewhat embarrassed to admit I don't know how to use a table saw.
Did some trial cuts on my shiny new tool.
Using the mitre gauge in crosscut mode it works fabulously.

But I really showed my novicehood while trying to cut thin strips of Baltic birch ply against the fence.

I didn't push the ply down between blade & fence.
Have invented a missile launcher.
At end of cut the piece would shoot the length of the workshop.
On another trial the whole piece kicked back violently.

The saw is in a cupboard until I learn the basics of how to use it.

14 years with a ts55 and never had kickback once.

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I have to admit i have, once or tiwice launched missiles with my TS 55.  They were not kick backs but kick aways.  It only happened while cutting very thin strips without a blocking scrap at the end of the cut. No danger to me, but it sure could have put a hurtin' to anybody walking past the far end of the rail.  I think any spinning blade or bit can be a missile launcher at one time or another.

Good luck with your new saw. You will learn how to avoid mistsooks I am sure.
Tinker
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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2016, 06:26 PM »
Somewhat embarrassed to admit I don't know how to use a table saw.
Did some trial cuts on my shiny new tool.
Using the mitre gauge in crosscut mode it works fabulously.

But I really showed my novicehood while trying to cut thin strips of Baltic birch ply against the fence.

I didn't push the ply down between blade & fence.
Have invented a missile launcher.
At end of cut the piece would shoot the length of the workshop.
On another trial the whole piece kicked back violently.

The saw is in a cupboard until I learn the basics of how to use it.

14 years with a ts55 and never had kickback once.

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"Gets More kickbacks that a politician", is not a good moniker for a table saw.

I am keenly interested on how you go though, as have this saw on my radar for some very small work.

Howzit

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2016, 12:23 PM »
Actually  ... Tinker's comment made me realise something.
Every single time I've cut thin ply on my TS55 with the Festool "fence" bar down, the cut material becomes a missile.
I just don't do it anymore.

So obviously the same thing will happen if I just turn it upside down as with a table saw

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2016, 02:04 PM »
This saw doesn't appear to have a riving knife (can't see one anyway) which could be a reason for the kickback. As for the missile, I think the lack of a riving knife might also contribute to that problem. Since I have a saw with an appropriate riving knife I have never had any strip thin or not, be launched backward.
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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2016, 02:21 PM »
Actually  ... Tinker's comment made me realise something.
Every single time I've cut thin ply on my TS55 with the Festool "fence" bar down, the cut material becomes a missile.
I just don't do it anymore.

So obviously the same thing will happen if I just turn it upside down as with a table saw

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It only happened when I was either in too much of a hurry, or just being lazy.  When using my Rip Dog guides, the thin piece is  under my rail. 

If  not using the rip guides, I set up a fence just beyond the rail to butt the thin piece against.  In doing that method, one needs to add an extension to the fence to butt the end of the thin cut against. If you don't do that, the thin piece will almost always become an airborn missile.
Tinker
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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2016, 03:57 PM »
See if you can track down a vintage Inca 250 or 259 table saw.  These are phenomenally accurate tools that were made in Switzerland.  They have a small footprint, have all the safety features of new table saws (riving knife, blade guard, etc) and run super smooth.  I have one setup with a Baldor 1.5hp motor and am constantly impressed with it. 






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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2016, 03:57 AM »
See if you can track down a vintage Inca 250 or 259 table saw.  These are phenomenally accurate tools that were made in Switzerland.  They have a small footprint, have all the safety features of new table saws (riving knife, blade guard, etc) and run super smooth.  I have one setup with a Baldor 1.5hp motor and am constantly impressed with it. quote)


I googled Inca 250 table saw.  The first site  was not much info.  The second site  found this

>>>This is an old tilting table saws which was imported from Switzerland/France from the late 70s to the early 90s. A nice machine for its time. Inca has long stopped manufacturing these and parts are near impossible to find (fleabay is your best bet for parts). The brand still has a cult-like following but I cannot see anyone spending $1000 on an old tilting-table machine with no parts, dealers or support. To each their own I guess. <<<

I'm not interested in a table saw, but the only tilting table table saw I ever used was a real PITA Shop Smith. You usually give great advise so I am wondering if I found the right information for the specific saw you mentioned.
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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2016, 02:29 PM »

I'm not interested in a table saw, but the only tilting table table saw I ever used was a real PITA Shop Smith. You usually give great advise so I am wondering if I found the right information for the specific saw you mentioned.
Tinker

As a standalone tool I'd never recommend it.  The complaints that people have about the tilting table, small overall size, etc. are legitimate---if you're evaluating it as a standalone tool.  You have to take the reviews with a grain of salt though and realize that at the time the Inca was released people were still using table saws to break down sheet goods (and most people still do).  For this application you wanted a heavy, rock solid machine with a 30"-52" rip capacity to breakdown plywood.  A tilting table in this application is an absolute nightmare.  Couple that with the fact that when this little saw came along with a price tag as high as a new Delta Unisaw or Powermatic people just didn't get it.

The track saw totally changed the game regarding the use and value of a table saw in a small shop though.  Once you get a track saw it's unlikely that you'll ever use your table saw to break down sheet goods, cut bevels on larger pieces, or cross cut large panels again.  As a track saw user you'll find yourself mainly needing the table saw for repetitive ripping of narrower-mid size  pieces, doing joinery work (cutting tenons, box joints, etc) and cross cutting small pieces (on a sled).   So all you really need is a powerful saw that's small in size, operates smoothly and is highly accurate.  Unfortunately at this point no such saw exists.  You have to choose between a heavy/smooth/accurate/immobile/large cabinet saw (or hybrid saw) or a small/portable/loud/inaccurate/light jobsite saw.  There is no in between -- except for the Inca.

Ya, the tilting table can be a PITA for beveling panels, but you'll never do it since you have a track saw.  Cutting bevels on smaller pieces is actually easier since gravity forces pushes the workpiece against the fence and all you have to do is just push it through.   

The thing with these Incas is that their accuracy is unrivaled.  The tolerances are just ridiculous.  The 18mm miter bar drops perfectly into the slot with absolutely zero play.  It's remarkable.  There's a huge vernier gauge for the tilt mechanism that allows you to dial in the angle in fractions of degrees.  The fence has a micro adjuster that gives you precise control of the fence down to .002".  Couple the fence/micro-adjuster with a Wixey WR700 digital fence scale and you have an insanely accurate and repeatable fence system that that can be removed/installed in 30 seconds reducing the footprint of the machine down to smaller than 24"x24".    The 259 model also comes with a built in horizontal mortiser and that coupled with their superb tenoning jig makes it a phenomenal joinery station as well.

Also, the motor on the saw is a strong 1.5HP Baldor motor.  It'll cut through thick hardwood just as easily as a Sawstop PCS 1.75HP.  not only that but the machine is as smooth as any 500 pound cast iron cabinet saw.  It achieves this through engineering, not through the reliance on mass, to deaden vibration.  I can balance a nickel on the edge of the table start it, cut a piece of wood and turn it off and the nickel will be dead still the entire time.  I'm talking dead still, like it was glued.

And finally the dust collection potential for these machines is huge for a couple reasons.  One is that the enclosure around the blade is extremely small.   You don't need a 2hp high CFM dust collector for it since the blade enclosure is so small.  It actually collects better using a high static pressure collector like a CT26.   Second is that these machines use an overarm blade guard.  What's exciting about the overarm blade guard is it can be modified with a dust collection port or, if you want better dust collection and visibility, a new guard can be fabricated out of lexan. 

If you don't have a track saw then this is absolutely not the saw for you.   You'e be better off with buying a traditional contractors, hybrid or cabinet saw.  But, if you are a track saw owner already and machine size is a concern then I don't think there's a better saw out there than one of these Incas. 

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Also, I saw the previous comments regarding people shooting narrow pieces out from the saw while using the fence.  The reason for this is that the heel of the blade is actually angled away from the workpiece by about .015".  This makes for a cleaner cut since only the front of the blade contacts the workpiece.  The problems is that since the blade is angling outwards in the rear and not perfectly parallel as you move forward in the  cut the gap between the front of the fence and the blade and the rear of the fence and the blade narrows and creates a wedging effect, which results in kickback and shooting of the piece if it is light enough.  Same thing happens on a table saw when the gap between the blade and the fence at the rear of the table is narrower than the front.  Just an FYI

Offline Tinker

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2016, 03:02 PM »
I knew you had a good reason for your recommendation.  Your reply is most educational.
Thankyou
Tinker
Wayne H. Tinker

Offline Mavrik

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Re: Mini table saw ?
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2017, 05:05 PM »
Had my Byrnes saw for a few months.
It is a table saw ... so required me to learn new table saw skills. (I'd never used a table saw before)

All I can say is that it's quite amazing.
I find myself looking for excuses to go to my workshop & cut stuff.

Enough said.
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