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Offline lumbajac

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2014, 11:39 AM »
Good thread as I've been looking to get a pair of something that I can listen to music while sanding for long periods, etc.  I'd also like to use them when doing other monotonous jobs, such as using the wood splitter for hours on end, etc.  The Ryobi Tek4's have peaked my interest... cheapest through HomeDepot: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-Tek4-Audio-Plus-Noise-Suppression-Headphones-RP4530/100671268#product_description

Anybody use these before?  I'm not a fan of Ryobi, but they are getting pretty good reviews across the web.
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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2014, 12:33 PM »
Yes, I'll second that, excellent post, Garry....
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2014, 12:53 PM »
Thanks guys. Appreciate the feedback.

Offline Tinker

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2014, 02:22 PM »
Garry,
An excellent post.  I have been sitting hear (Ha! pun intended) reading every post.  right from the start, i was thinking about the problem of cutting out too much sound.  Your post lays it all out.  I don't understand ALL of the specs, but the idea comes across in a way that anybody can understand.

For years, I worked in construction, but for most of my work, I was actually isolated from most of any bpthersome noises.  I never wore any ear protection unless i was running a chainsaw.  It was not until my knees began bumping my chin (I was a mason and used to be 7 feet tall.  When I shrunk down to only 3 feet tall, I quit that biz) that I got into a biz that made all kinds of noise all day.  I started landscaping and ran mowers, chainsaws, blowers, tractors and a lot of other noisy machines.  I decided that it was time to wear earmuffs.  Sort of like Sittingelf's.  I had a large crew of highschool and cllege age young men working as well.  I insisted they wear hearing protection as well.  I bought muffs for everyone and had an extra supply.  I was happy to notice that some of the guys were using their own muffs, but did not pay much attention to brand or anything like that.  With the muffs that i had supplied, they could hear when I yelled at them, or more importantly, they coud be aware of machinery movement around them.  Soon, I began to reallise the lads who were wearing their own muffs could hear nothing.  They did not even hear a loud mower coming anywhere near them.  I thought it was the long hair and was about to instruct they cut the hair back above the ears, until i noticed they not only could not hear ANY THING, they were bouncing around like bees were in their pants.

I took closer notice and found hey were wearing the type muffs that were hooked to tiny radios of some kind. The boom came down.  I ordered that they could only wear something that allowed them to hear ME.  Since I am a veeerrryyy mild mannered person, I knew they would be able to hear the danger noises as well.  No hearing monitoring contraptions with wires connected were to be worn on any of my jobs.  As I read later, those music types of muffs could be more dangerous tto the ears than the noises they were trying to hide from.  Recently, my grandson started working with me.  I boght him the same kind of muffs i wear.  He mentioned listening to music with them.  My reply was a very emphatic NO!.  I su ppose if they listened to the type music I would listen to, they would be ok.  But when the music rattles the walls, >>>>>>>>>>!
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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2014, 03:28 PM »
When I'm on site I use a pair of husqvarna radio muffs which I wear all day no problems, I has 3 volume presets which allow me to turn up when gets noisy and the low setting just gives me ambient sound and I can still hear people talking to me.
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2014, 04:29 PM »
They did not even hear a loud mower coming anywhere near them.

[scared]

One of the other interesting by products of "just enough" hearing protection is that it tends to be more comfortable. The higher the SNR rating with in-ear plugs, the more they need to expand into the ear; the higher the SNR rating with ear muffs, the tighter they have to be on the ear. As a consequence, comfort can suffer, and so people can end up not wearing them when they should do. Once again, the best ear protection is the ear protection you actually wear, and the more comfortable it is, the more likely you are to wear it.

Paul-Marcel hinted at this previously with the comment about wearing the 26 SNR most of the time, and the 31 SNR only when using louder tools as the 26 SNR were more comfortable with the 31 SNR being a tighter fit in the ear.

Offline andyman

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2014, 04:51 PM »
I quite fancy giving the sensgard ones a try anyone know where in the uk I can get them

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2014, 05:58 PM »
I shoot shotguns competitively when I'm not doing woodworking. I also shoot .45 1911 pistols (loud).

My hearing is shot from early life shooting without any protection, age, and flying airplanes. I do anything I can to protect the hearing I have left.

When shooting shotguns, I use "active" ear plugs. They are custom fitted by an audiologist, act as hearing aids in normal noise levels and shut off if the noise level exceeds a preset level. I also have some "passive" ear plugs that musicians use to limit the sound levels reaching your inner ear. They are also custom fitted by an audiologist.

If I'm using a very noisy machine, I wear Peltor muffs. Noisy machines include bandsaw, planer, jointer, router, and table saw.

If I'm shooting pistols, I wear the passive ear plugs and a set of active Peltor muffs.

I really advise seeing an audiologist.
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Offline waltwood

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2014, 05:53 PM »
Like someone else said, I find ear plugs to be uncomfortable so I always wear muffs. I have been using Peltor for 10 years or more and just ordered the X5A after reading this thread and great reviews on Amazon about them.
We had a family friend that was an ENT who always said that he would rather be blind than deaf because most of his deaf patients were miserable and not the blind ones. It seems hard to believe but that stuck with me at an early age and I have been good about wearing ear protection.  My hearing is still very good and I don't know why after 39 years of construction and shop work. Everything else is shot so I am protecting the hearing.

Offline Tinker

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2014, 02:20 PM »
I have never tried the plug type.  I am working in dust all the time thru the growing season.  i am sure the plug type might keep some of the dust ut of my ears, but at the same time, I think they would tend to trap any dust that might get in during periods of non wear.

The dust I work around includes normal seed and ground dust kicked up by mowers, soil dust kicked up by tractor drawn equipment, and things like that.  Of greater concern is the fertilizers and pesticides that get thrown around.  I do not use any pesticides on the lawns i give full service to, but many of the lawns I mow use chemical lawn feeding services.  That kind of stuff gives me more than a slight concern.

When i was in construction, I was working with cement and lime nearly every day. On days when I was not using the cementing materials, i was working with the backhoe and related equipment. About once a month, i had to flush out my ears.  The wax would build up to a very thick and solid plug with steaks of color related to the types of dust I was working in.  Now I am working in a medium that produces, in my mind, a more dangerous type of dust, i use the ear muff type that completely covers the entire ear.

I'm not suggesting my method is any better than what others are wearing, it is just that my mind (such as it is  [unsure]) can rest easier.
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Offline fdengel

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2014, 10:47 AM »
who always said that he would rather be blind than deaf because most of his deaf patients were miserable and not the blind ones

I suggest wearing eye protection as well, then there is hope of avoiding both...

 ;D

Offline NYC Tiny Shop

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2014, 04:48 PM »
Just got my new Peltor X5A. Very well made, fit my 7-3/8 egg perfectly, soft, ears fit in just right, very comfortable. These are the Rolls Royce of ear muffs. They are rated -31dB, but may be even better. Closest thing to a sensory deprivation tank I could have found. Loud machines are like kittens. Wear them for a while to get used to, because they are so quiet that they may be a little weird.  I can see why these are not for everyone. If I worked around others of whom I had to be aware of, then these would be too much.  I love them.  Say what?  I can't hear you.
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Offline bfish

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2014, 02:48 PM »
I bought two pairs of Peltor about 17 years ago. I still use them. Is this sufficient? FYI I also have tinitus, and the older I get, the worst it gets.
I should recommend a Peltor with a SNR of at least 30 dB.

Offline Asterix

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2014, 02:13 PM »
For me there is just one brand: peltor

Using the black/red version and one which has some additional functions. (3M™ Peltor™ WS™ LiteCom)

Very nice as you can still communicate and even hear things at normal sound level which is actually safer then just blocking sound. I can still hear a screw falling  [smile] for example.


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Offline Roseland

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2014, 02:50 PM »
If you want to play safe go with some of these: at 36db I reckon they're as effective as any.  I slip them on when I'm using power tools and take them off when I'm not.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/uvex-x-hi-vis-professional-ear-defenders

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Offline Asterix

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2014, 04:31 PM »
I really like this topic.  [smile] So often people do not take care for themselves or others.

I'm pretty often on job sites with heavy machinery in NA and each time surprised that I'm the only one, or some do use some simple plugs as ear protection.

It seems that workers thinking that's it is tough not to use ear protection. ???

Even my 4 and 6 yr old daughters do have their own pink Peltor Kid / Junior earmuffs. (and safety glasses)
They enjoy being in their "safe" corner (max one at the time) in the shop playing with pieces of wood while I can just continu making some noise.



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Offline Tinker

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2014, 02:20 PM »
who always said that he would rather be blind than deaf because most of his deaf patients were miserable and not the blind ones

I suggest wearing eye protection as well, then there is hope of avoiding both...

 ;D

I have always worn eye protection.  A necessity until I got rid of my "cadilacs".  I can hardly stand the brite sunlite since then.  The hearing protection, not so much.  In years back, there was almost no ear protection.  I worked with tradesmen who always had a bag, or box of cotton to stuff into their ears.  I was tough.  No cotton.  no nothing.  People did not worry about their ears.  Today, i have to reming my friends they have to speak louder than the crickets if they want me to hear what they are saying. 

When I am mowing, especially in the fall when i am doing leaves, I am all bundled up from my neck up.  Hat on top.  Earmuffs.
Dark wrap around glasses and a face mask to keep the dust out of my lungs.  Somewhere under all of that protection, one can only immagine there is a head somewhere.  [eek]

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2014, 02:36 PM »
I quite fancy giving the sensgard ones a try anyone know where in the uk I can get them
Me too, so far I can only find 31 in a boring dark green meant for shooting. They are branded as Napier but are licensed from sensgard.
Would really like some of the high vis ones

Offline rjwz28

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2014, 03:28 PM »
I too bought the Sensguards because I seen it on a video from Paul Marcel.  I find them to work great when I can get them on right.  They don't fit my head good with my glasses on.  I need to keep positioning then forward and backward to get the right seal.  If I could get them to work without the bar going over your head, I would surely use them.  I guess they fit good for people who don't use glasses.  For now I just use the individual orange foam ones.

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2014, 05:07 PM »
If I go to a rock concert or something, then I wear custom-molded silicon plugs, as they are incredibly comfortable.

-  but in the shop, you need to remove them a lot, so that doesn't work for me.  I Like the Peltors.  105, Ambassador.  These are so comfortable, I even sleep with them, with my in-ear buds also in place.  (it's very noisy where I sleep.)

I also have Peltor attachments for my 3M forced-air faceshield/helmet. (an expensive luxury which I find indespensible, since I wear glasses.)

Never tried Sensguard, but I'm going to.

Offline Cableaddict

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2014, 05:14 PM »
BTW-

FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH TINNITUS:


Do yourself a huge favor, and start sleeping with ear buds.  In fact, do as I do and use buds + good ear muffs.  I'm aprofessionale musician & recording engineer, and while my hearing is obviously critical to me, I've also beat the snot out of my ears for years, and have had many bouts with tinnitus.

-  but you can make it go away!  (mostly.)  

I don't have time to go into the science of it, and besides it's just my personal theory (having to do with the brain's "reference tone") but the bottom line is:  The more loud & isolated you can make that tone, the more the brain will repress it.  So, if you can virtually isolate it every night while you sleep, this gives your brain a chance to "drop it back into the mix," so to speak.

This has worked for me several times over the years, when my tinnitus was so bad that I thought my career was over & I might never even sleep again.  It's also helped several friends, and a bunch of guys on w-working forums.

Don't bother asking your doctor about it, as he/she won't know.  Just do it.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2014, 12:04 AM by Cableaddict »

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2014, 05:29 PM »
BTW-

FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH TINNITUS:


Do yourself a huge favor, and start sleeping with ear buds.  In fact, do as I do and use buds + good ear muffs.  I'm aprofessionale musician & recording engineer, and while my hearing is obviously critical to me, I've also beat the snot out of my ears for years, and have had many bouts with tinnitus.

-  but you can make it go away!  (mostly.) 

I don't have time to go into the science of it, and besides it's just my personal theory (having to do with the brain's "reference tone") but the bottom line is:  The more loud & isolated you can make that tone,the more the brain with repress it.  So, if you can virtually isolate it every night while you sleep, this gives your brain a chance to "drop it back into the mix," so to speak.

This has worked for me several times over the years, when my tinnitus was so bad that I thought my career was over & I might never even sleep again.  It's also helped several friends, and a bunch of guys on w-working forums.

Don't bother asking your doctor about it, as he/she won't know.  Just do it.

+1
to sleep with ear plugs to help make it go away.  Also, you can gently cup your ears with hands to form a suction and lightly release inorder to allow the blown-down cilia to pop back up. Do every day for a few weeks, two x per day. ( This is a trick that a Chinese master taught me.)

Offline andyman

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection? Revisit
« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2015, 02:54 PM »
I quite fancy giving the sensgard ones a try anyone know where in the uk I can get them
Me too, so far I can only find 31 in a boring dark green meant for shooting. They are branded as Napier but are licensed from sensgard.
Would really like some of the high vis ones
Anyone know anywhere now stocking sensgard other than amazon

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection? Revisit
« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2015, 07:11 PM »
I quite fancy giving the sensgard ones a try anyone know where in the uk I can get them
Me too, so far I can only find 31 in a boring dark green meant for shooting. They are branded as Napier but are licensed from sensgard.
Would really like some of the high vis ones
Anyone know anywhere now stocking sensgard other than amazon

I believe I bought mine directly from the company online. Did you check their website?
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection? Revisit
« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2015, 08:11 PM »
I quite fancy giving the sensgard ones a try anyone know where in the uk I can get them
Me too, so far I can only find 31 in a boring dark green meant for shooting. They are branded as Napier but are licensed from sensgard.
Would really like some of the high vis ones
Anyone know anywhere now stocking sensgard other than amazon

Lee valley stocks them

Offline andyman

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2015, 02:30 AM »
Sorry should have mentioned in the UK

Offline Tinker

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2015, 05:54 AM »
BTW-

FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH TINNITUS:


Do yourself a huge favor, and start sleeping with ear buds.  In fact, do as I do and use buds + good ear muffs.  I'm aprofessionale musician & recording engineer, and while my hearing is obviously critical to me, I've also beat the snot out of my ears for years, and have had many bouts with tinnitus.

-  but you can make it go away!  (mostly.) 

I don't have time to go into the science of it, and besides it's just my personal theory (having to do with the brain's "reference tone") but the bottom line is:  The more loud & isolated you can make that tone, the more the brain will repress it.  So, if you can virtually isolate it every night while you sleep, this gives your brain a chance to "drop it back into the mix," so to speak.

This has worked for me several times over the years, when my tinnitus was so bad that I thought my career was over & I might never even sleep again.  It's also helped several friends, and a bunch of guys on w-working forums.

Don't bother asking your doctor about it, as he/she won't know.  Just do it.

That is interesting. In my case, when i was doing masonry, i would start getting tinitis and it was a clue to clean the wax out.  That wax would get real hard with cement, lime and sand dust, and i would not dare to stick a cue tip in there.  I would tilt my head and pour a little baby oil into the ear let it sit a minute or so and then using a squeeze bulb, force warm water into the ear.  A few squirts, and a big glob of very dark and very hard wax would pop out.  Repeat with other ear.  After which, i would need to brace myself to walls and doors for a few minutes to walk.  Once the equilibrium returned, I could walk straight and the crickets had left with the wax.

Of course, I now know the crickets really had nothing to do with wax.  I have perfect hearing after years of working around loud machinery (since doing landscaping, i have worn ear protection.  When in construction I never covered my ears).  i know my hearing is perfect.  I know people need to talk louder to me , as i don't understand them the fist time around.  BUT, my hearing is actually much better than any body else's.  I can hear crickets, katydids, cicadas, peepers and all sorts of noises that nobody else can hear.  I can hear them year round/24/7 while nobody around me can hear any of those critters.  Oh, and i can even hear them with my earmuffs covering my ears.  So, I know my hearing is very exceptional.  It is so good, why, just the other day i heard a guy telling his friend about a bridge for sale.  I jumped right in to the conversation and put in the highest bid.  ;)

I don't think the trick of wearing ear protection at nite would work for me.  The only way i shut out the noise is that i am so used to the racket, i just ignore.  Ignorance does have other advantages, like when my wife starts giving me the Honey Do List.  Of course, she puts into a different context with the  accent of a different syllable when she mentions ignorance. ::) ::)
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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2015, 12:29 PM »
Being a drummer, I use headphones specifically for drummers in my shop. They have a 25 decibels sound reduction.

http://www.vicfirth.com/products/headphones.php

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2015, 08:32 PM »
3M Peltor WS Alert XP or the 3M Ear Soft

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Re: Most comfortable Hearing Protection?
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2015, 10:00 PM »
Peltor hrxs7a-01, This have a built in FM receiver. I combine this with a Belkin FM transmitter and I can play music cordless from my PC.