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Offline PaulH99

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Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« on: May 16, 2017, 01:26 PM »
I'm a long-time lurker, first time poster here at FOG.

After a renovation to our house last year I ended up with an area in the new section of the basement for a workshop that is approximately 12 feet x 13 feet with no obstructions. Previously I had been in a narrow part of main area of the basement, with the heating system on one side and a support column in the middle. Somehow I made a contractor tablesaw work there, but cutting sheet goods was always harrowing. Thanks to my recent purchase of a TS 55, the tablesaw has seen use only for ripping boards to width for face frames.

So that brings me to my question: I'd like to sell my large, heavy, cast-iron contractors saw and get a small benchtop model that will likely only ever be used for ripping boards to width (face frames, stair treads, etc.) As such, I'm not sure that the large Bosch 4100 is necessary. Right now I'm bouncing between the Bosch GTS 1031 and the Skilsaw SPT70WT. The Skilsaw looks nearly identical to the Bosch (it's owned by Bosch... Go figure...) except it has one of their worm drive systems in it which is intriguing.

Sadly, none of my local stores appear to have either of these models in stock or on the floor to play with, which leaves me with Amazon. Does anyone here have any experience with either of these lightweight (<50 pound) saws that they could share? I'm certainly willing to entertain alternatives, but these were the two came up the most in my research.
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Online ben_r_

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2017, 01:42 PM »
Have you considered the SawStop Jobsite saw?
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Offline grbmds

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2017, 02:02 PM »
I own the Sawstop Jobsite tablesaw and am very satisfied with it. However, it is similar in size to the Bosch 4100 I believe, including a fold up stand. One of the things I like about the Sawstop (besides its safety feature) is that it folds up and is easily wheeled into a corner when I want to use space in the center of the floor for another tool.

With a limited size shop, putting everything on casters is very useful since tools don't require a completely dedicated space and can be moved where ever you want when you need more space. This is especially important for a table saw, since table saws are best used in the center of the floor with room all the way around (for me at least).

I would say the Sawstop (and most likely the Bosch 4100) is about as small as I'd ever want to get. The short distance on both the infeed and outfeed side of the table sometimes requires additional infeed and/or outfeed support. Because of that, I would think twice before going with an even smaller saw. Other than that, I haven't found anything the Sawstop Jobsite saw won't do for the work I do.
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Offline Nick561

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2017, 02:26 PM »
Is a sawstop isn't in the budget then I would recommend the dwe7490x. This is a dewalt saw and is by far the best job site saw I've ever used. Awesome rack and pinion fence. All assesorys store on the unit. Overhead and under table dust colelection with closed bottom and a real riving knife and takes a full size dado. . I bought a sliding table saw but I still use the small saw all the time

Offline Svar

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2017, 02:32 PM »
I agree on Dewalt 7490 or 745. Best benchtop saw.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 02:39 PM »
@PaulH99
What saw do you have now?

Offline PaulH99

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 03:55 PM »
@ben_r_ @grbmds
I actually did consider the SawStop portable. I really need to get into a store that carries them so that I can play with it. My biggest fear is that it might be "too much saw" given what my stated needs are: ripping boards to width. Both the SawStop and the Bosch 4100 are, in my opinion, fairly large but very capable saws. If one of those turns out to be the answer to my needs, then I would happily purchase it.

@Nick561 @Svar
I hadn't considered the DeWalt saws until you guys mentioned them. They appear to make five different versions at all different price points. The DW745 is much smaller and lighter than the DWE7490X. However, they also have a DWE7499, DWE7480, and DWE7491. Very confusing! The comparison tool doesn't show very much difference between them, other than table size, weight, and right-side width capacity.

@rvieceli
I currently have a 13 year old Ridgid TS3650 Contractor Saw. It's very capable and I'll miss it when it's gone, but it's just too darn big for the space I have available now.
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Offline Svar

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 04:02 PM »
@Nick561 @Svar
I hadn't considered the DeWalt saws until you guys mentioned them. They appear to make five different versions at all different price points. The DW745 is much smaller and lighter than the DWE7490X. However, they also have a DWE7499, DWE7480, and DWE7491. Very confusing! The comparison tool doesn't show very much difference between them, other than table size, weight, and right-side width capacity.
DW745 is an older tried and true original model. The rest are later developments with different modifications, bigger tables, and folding stands, which you might or might not need. I believe the base machine is still the same.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2017, 04:05 PM by Svar »

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 04:03 PM »
I had the Dewalt DW745 in my basement shop before finally buying a Contractor model Sawstop with a Beisemeyer fence. The 745 could not take a dado but it was rock solid, the fence was absolutely awesome and it had plenty of torque fro cutting into the 4/4 and 6/4 hardwoods I commonly use. Great saw and lightweight. Also I ended up getting it around a Black Friday for about $225 brand spanking new. I sold it for $250 on Craigslist. Can't speak anything poorly about that great little saw.
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Offline live4ever

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 04:13 PM »
+1 on the Dewalt 7490.  Biggest difference for me when I was comparison shopping the DW saws between the 7490 and the cheaper 7480 (and older 745) is that it can take a dado stack.  I use the 7490 as a secondary tablesaw (have a Sawstop cabinet saw in my shop) for remote work.  Not sure how it stacks up size-wise to the 4100 or other saws, but I wouldn't want to go smaller. 
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Offline Nick561

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 04:18 PM »
Sorry for my poor spelling in the last post. Typing on a phone..   I had a 7480 but returned it for the 7490 so I could get dado ability plus it has better dust cabinet under it and a overhead collector.  This unit also has a slightly bigger table and larger rip capacity.  I highly recommend the 7490 over the 7480.  The 7491 only has a rolling stand and a little more rip capacity from my understanding.

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 04:37 PM »
I would add the Triton Work Center, that has the saw and router modules.
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Offline grbmds

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 04:52 PM »
@PaulH99 I'm not sure of the table size of the Dewalt 7490 (can't find it online), but I would definitely not recommend a saw that has a table size less than the Sawstop Jobsite Saw. No problem if you are only crosscutting or ripping short, narrow pieces, but I have found that I use it for larger boards and sheets also; so a wide variety of sizes. The basic table is really a good size and can be extended to permit use for ripping sheet goods which have been broken down to rough sizes; useful many times since I bought the saw. The fact that it can be folded up quickly and moved into a corner is a great feature so, whatever saw you buy, that might be a feature worth considering. I'm sure there are at least several saws which fall into this category but, of course, the Sawstop has the blade brake and I can't say enough about their technical assistance and service since I bought the saw. They are very responsive to any questions I've had.
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Offline Svar

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2017, 05:51 PM »
I would add the Triton Work Center, that has the saw and router modules.
That thing looks great. Haven't seen it in person, but I like the concept much more then Festool's approach of sticking hand saw under the table.

Offline glass1

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2017, 05:59 PM »
do not waste your time with saws with heavy wheeled carts. Get 1 of the dewalts with an x stand for quick small stuff and invest in the rousseau stand which has a biesmeyer like set up but folds up and can be put away. the wheeled saws all of them are too big to be lifted yet too small for any real big ripping. Dewalt just makes a good portable saw, the larger one has  a quick release riving knife and decent dust collection. Hitachi has a new dewalt clone but it comes with  the goofy wheels and silly too small outfield that adds weight. The other saws all have inferior fences, saws stop is utter garbage, makitas is sadly crap, the bosch only slightly better but it throws saw dust in your face and weighs like 5000 lbs.

Offline PaulH99

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2017, 07:42 PM »
Wow! All of you have given me a lot to think about!

@Svar
I did a little more digging and found that the DW745 is actually a fair bit smaller than the DWE74xx series. Those are newer, have a wider ripping capacity, and better dust collection (at least on the 749x)

@ChrisK1970
That's high praise for such a compact saw. You guys are really making me consider DeWalt now, and I have ZERO yellow tools!

@grbmds
You're right that table size is something to consider. The DWE7490X is a few inches smaller in width, which could affect my ability to rip sheet goods, but that's what the TS 55 is for, right? ;)

The DeWalt DWE7491RX (top-of-the-line model with widest ripping capacity and rolling stand) with a 22" x 26" table is $499 on Amazon. I know I said I wasn't considering the Bosch 4100 because of its size, but at 21.5" x 29" really isn't that much different, and it's $599 on Amazon with the gravity stand.

So just for sh!ts and giggles: Is the Bosch worth the extra $100 over the DeWalt, or does the dual dust collection points and fancy fence of the DeWalt win the day?
-Paul
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2017, 08:28 PM »
Another DeWalt 7490 owner, I'd recommend it.
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Offline Twoodman66

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2017, 09:06 PM »
Another vote for the DW 7491

Offline Nick561

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2017, 09:25 PM »
Dewalt wins

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2017, 10:20 PM »
A majority of the time my table saw is used with a sled on it. One of the best enhancements I made for my table saw. Cutting small pieces is easy and accurate with the sled.

Personally I would probably keep the contractor saw for it's power and most likely better fence.

Another thread worth reading on table saws.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/dewalt-dwe7491rs-vs-bosch-4100-09-50583/msg499023/#msg499023

Offline neilc

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2017, 10:45 PM »
I bought a Dewalt 7491RS and it's a nice saw.  Easy to setup and take down.    I run a finish blade on it and the cuts are excellent.

Rack and pinion adjustable fence and ability to rip 32 1/2" from the blade made a big difference for me.  Dust collection is not great but with some foam and tape you can improve it.  I made a simple box to connect the over-arm hose with the lower dust collection port with a hose to a vacuum and it works well.

You'll need a better miter gauge than what ships with it, but Incra offers several choices.

Toolnut has the saw for $499 which is a good price.  And free shipping and no sales tax outside NY. I bought mine from them with great service about a year ago.  My son has since bought the same saw and he also likes it a lot.

http://www.toolnut.com/dewalt-dwe7491rs-10-tablesaw-with-wheeled-stand.html

Riving knife or overarm guard are really easy to add or remove.  Optional dado blade and dado blade insert might be a consideration as many smaller saws don't support them.

And I've found it has plenty of power for most jobs in solid or sheet goods.

I looked hard at the Bosch Reaax and the SawStop as well as lower end Bosch and Dewalt saws.  But in the end, I felt this saw was the best value for the money with nice features and accuracy.  Lowe's normally stocks them so you can probably check one out if you have a store close by.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2017, 10:52 PM by neilc »

Offline wptski

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2017, 08:02 AM »
I bought a Dewalt 7491RS and it's a nice saw.  Easy to setup and take down.    I run a finish blade on it and the cuts are excellent.

Rack and pinion adjustable fence and ability to rip 32 1/2" from the blade made a big difference for me.  Dust collection is not great but with some foam and tape you can improve it.  I made a simple box to connect the over-arm hose with the lower dust collection port with a hose to a vacuum and it works well.

You'll need a better miter gauge than what ships with it, but Incra offers several choices.

Toolnut has the saw for $499 which is a good price.  And free shipping and no sales tax outside NY. I bought mine from them with great service about a year ago.  My son has since bought the same saw and he also likes it a lot.

http://www.toolnut.com/dewalt-dwe7491rs-10-tablesaw-with-wheeled-stand.html

Riving knife or overarm guard are really easy to add or remove.  Optional dado blade and dado blade insert might be a consideration as many smaller saws don't support them.

And I've found it has plenty of power for most jobs in solid or sheet goods.

I looked hard at the Bosch Reaax and the SawStop as well as lower end Bosch and Dewalt saws.  But in the end, I felt this saw was the best value for the money with nice features and accuracy.  Lowe's normally stocks them so you can probably check one out if you have a store close by.
I have the DWE7491RS also but my take is a bit different than yours.  The fence is good but the miter gauge is junk as you stated but I got the Kreg miter gauge.  It's hit or miss if you get one with a flat table as mine has low spots on both sides of the throat plate which may or may not be a serious problem for a saw of this grade($499 right now, a $80 price drop).  I got a couple of Leecraft zero clearance throat plates which I haven't cut the kerf into yet but trying to get one leveled out with the low spots appears to be impossible but "maybe" usable in the end.

The post before yours has a link to another thread which I started prior to my purchase with a bit more details on the table's lack of flatness which isn't uncommon for this model.

Dust collection as you mentioned can be improved as there are huge holes for dust to escape out the bottom.  The riving knife quick release mechanism option leaves openings above and below its clamp.
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2017, 08:20 AM »
Wow! All of you have given me a lot to think about!

@Svar
I did a little more digging and found that the DW745 is actually a fair bit smaller than the DWE74xx series. Those are newer, have a wider ripping capacity, and better dust collection (at least on the 749x)

@ChrisK1970
That's high praise for such a compact saw. You guys are really making me consider DeWalt now, and I have ZERO yellow tools!

@grbmds
You're right that table size is something to consider. The DWE7490X is a few inches smaller in width, which could affect my ability to rip sheet goods, but that's what the TS 55 is for, right? ;)

...

The other saw to possibly consider is the "Mafell Erika 85".
Cons:
- Cost
- 220v
- ~70 #

Pros:
Pull saw feature if you do not have a SCMS.
Fence, etc.

Offline PaulH99

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2017, 01:16 PM »
@Nick561 @Twoodman66 @Brice Burrell
Two more recommendations for big yellow. I think Nick is right and DeWalt wins!

@Peter_C
Like I said earlier, I'd love to keep the contractor saw. But it's simply too big. I do a fair amount of my cutting outside when the weather is good. Having a saw that not only doesn't consume 1/3 of my small workshop, but can be pulled up the bulkhead would be awesome. I read the other thread you linked and it appears that the DWE7491rs is better in almost every regard than the Bosch 4100. Including cost, now with the recent price drop!

@neilc
It looks like my local Lowe's has the DW745, the DWE7491rw and the Bosch 4100 in stock. I'll have to stop by this weekend and play with them all.

@wptski
I'm planning to buy locally. Hopefully I'll be able to check the flatness of the table before taking it out of the store.

@Holmz
Tha Erika looks great, but $3700??? Yikes!
-Paul
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Offline Nick561

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2017, 02:13 PM »
You can always make a outfeed table as well. This pic is before I swapped from the 7480 to the 7490x but it shows the idea. I've ripped 8 ft 8/4 and ply on here with no issues. I did add miter slots after the picture so I could use a large sled with the saw. 

Offline PaulH99

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2017, 03:11 PM »
@Nick561
I see a lot of yellow in that picture, but no green [scratch chin]  [big grin]
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2017, 03:15 PM »
There's that too.....

Offline Paul G

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2017, 03:26 PM »
If I didn't want the sawstop blade brake I would have bought a dewalt. The dewalt fence is much nicer.
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Offline PaulH99

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2017, 12:06 PM »
I stopped in the local Lowe's where they had all the various models set up. Here's what I found:

DeWalt DWE7480: Pictures do not do the size of the table justice. This thing is small! The fence is very short and "dainty" as well.

DeWalt DWE7491RS: Feels very solid. The splayed legs on the stand make it very stable. I tried to shake the saw and was barely able to. The rack-and-pinion fence is AWESOME! I also love the little flip-down part of the fence. It has two heights, one for thin stock close to the blade, and a lower position that is in the same plane as the table to support wide stock. BRILLIANT! I also noticed that the bevel gears that raise and lower the blade are metal.

Bosch 4100: For the $100 price difference over the 7491 I expected more. I really wasn't wowed by it. The gravity stand is a nice trick, but the stability is really lacking. The fence was only "okay". I see what they were trying to accomplish by designing it like a normal T-square fence, but it falls short. the base of the "T" is too small to provide much stability, and the rail it rides on is part of the right table extension, so I can see how it would fall out of alignment pretty easily. Also it appeared that the bevel gears that raise the blade were some form of nylon, not metal.

DeWalt wins!

Now I just have to list my old contractor style saw on Craigslist and disassemble it enough to get it out of my basement.  [eek]

Thank you all for the opinions and feedback. I truly never considered DeWalt's tablesaws before this and I'm very impressed.
-Paul
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Offline wptski

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2017, 12:17 PM »
I stopped in the local Lowe's where they had all the various models set up. Here's what I found:

DeWalt DWE7480: Pictures do not do the size of the table justice. This thing is small! The fence is very short and "dainty" as well.

DeWalt DWE7491RS: Feels very solid. The splayed legs on the stand make it very stable. I tried to shake the saw and was barely able to. The rack-and-pinion fence is AWESOME! I also love the little flip-down part of the fence. It has two heights, one for thin stock close to the blade, and a lower position that is in the same plane as the table to support wide stock. BRILLIANT! I also noticed that the bevel gears that raise and lower the blade are metal.

Bosch 4100: For the $100 price difference over the 7491 I expected more. I really wasn't wowed by it. The gravity stand is a nice trick, but the stability is really lacking. The fence was only "okay". I see what they were trying to accomplish by designing it like a normal T-square fence, but it falls short. the base of the "T" is too small to provide much stability, and the rail it rides on is part of the right table extension, so I can see how it would fall out of alignment pretty easily. Also it appeared that the bevel gears that raise the blade were some form of nylon, not metal.

DeWalt wins!

Now I just have to list my old contractor style saw on Craigslist and disassemble it enough to get it out of my basement.  [eek]

Thank you all for the opinions and feedback. I truly never considered DeWalt's tablesaws before this and I'm very impressed.
Since in your basement like me, just hope for no "major" table flatness problems.  After getting it unboxed, full setup(some not in the manual), you'll dread doing that in reverse.  I have read of one table that was so bad that the fence rubbed on it while moving it.
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Offline PaulH99

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2017, 12:29 PM »
My hope is to buy it locally so that I can open the box and inspect the table with a straightedge before making the actual purchase. I don't know how thrilled they will be with me doing that, but my response will be, "How are you any better than Amazon if I can't check it before buying it?"


Since in your basement like me, just hope for no "major" table flatness problems.  After getting it unboxed, full setup(some not in the manual), you'll dread doing that in reverse.  I have read of one table that was so bad that the fence rubbed on it while moving it.
-Paul
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2017, 02:30 PM »
My hope is to buy it locally so that I can open the box and inspect the table with a straightedge before making the actual purchase. I don't know how thrilled they will be with me doing that, but my response will be, "How are you any better than Amazon if I can't check it before buying it?"
Well, the stand is in its own box and the table is just covered with plastic.  When the box is opened, the table could be lifted out but that's lifting it >26" above the box at least that height something I couldn't do so I had to lay it down, slide the stand box out first.  You'll need some help and a bit of floor space too.  My Lowe's store is cluttered up and it took three people to get the box out from where it was stored.  My initial check with a Peckerhead 3' straight edge which looked real good but not as good when I got it up on a table.

I've only made a few cuts and the table hasn't affected any of them yet but I think that at one time or the other it will.

The last time I looked, Amazon price went back up, shipping was free but they charged sales tax.  I waited for a 11% off at Lowe's to purchase mine but they stopped that "At the register 11% off promos" to compete with Menard's so I get that 11% back as a gift card.
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2017, 09:02 PM »
Paul - I think you'll like the saw.  Great choice.

When it's uppacked and setup, I'd go through the full adjustment procedure - I think it's outlined in the manual
 - squaring the fence to the miter slots
 - checking the blade alignment to the miter slots
 - adjusting the blade tilt to cut square to the table
 - adjusting the fence measurement so it is accurate to the blade


I seem to recall there are videos on YouTube that go over this to make it easy.

I bought my hose from Rockler - http://www.rockler.com/12-ft-heavy-duty-shop-vacuum-hose-kit.  That hose can be cut in half to go from the over blade dust collection unit to the box, and then from the box to the vac.  I just used a hole saw on my drill press to cut a press-fit hole for the lower port and two for the hose.  It will connect to the Festool or a Shop Vac.

Let me know and I can take a photo of the adapter box I made if you are interested for connecting the upper and lower dust ports to one vac.  Pretty simple and it works well. 

Good luck!



« Last Edit: May 18, 2017, 09:05 PM by neilc »

Offline wptski

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2017, 09:46 PM »
Paul - I think you'll like the saw.  Great choice.

When it's uppacked and setup, I'd go through the full adjustment procedure - I think it's outlined in the manual
 - squaring the fence to the miter slots
 - checking the blade alignment to the miter slots
 - adjusting the blade tilt to cut square to the table
 - adjusting the fence measurement so it is accurate to the blade


I seem to recall there are videos on YouTube that go over this to make it easy.

I bought my hose from Rockler - http://www.rockler.com/12-ft-heavy-duty-shop-vacuum-hose-kit.  That hose can be cut in half to go from the over blade dust collection unit to the box, and then from the box to the vac.  I just used a hole saw on my drill press to cut a press-fit hole for the lower port and two for the hose.  It will connect to the Festool or a Shop Vac.

Let me know and I can take a photo of the adapter box I made if you are interested for connecting the upper and lower dust ports to one vac.  Pretty simple and it works well. 

Good luck!




All but aligning the miter slot to the blade or moving the trunnion, don't think I missed that gem(PITA) anyways.

I bushed down a 2 1/2" "Y" to fit my vacuum but don't get much suction to the blade guard not that one gains much dust collection there even with a separate vacuum.
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Offline PaulH99

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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2017, 05:43 AM »
@neilc

The setup procedure sounds similar to other table saws, but thank you! I likely would have forgotten a step. Others have mentioned "adapter box" as well and I'm unsure of what they mean. I'd like to take you up on the offer of a picture of yours.

Paul - I think you'll like the saw.  Great choice.

When it's uppacked and setup, I'd go through the full adjustment procedure - I think it's outlined in the manual
 - squaring the fence to the miter slots
 - checking the blade alignment to the miter slots
 - adjusting the blade tilt to cut square to the table
 - adjusting the fence measurement so it is accurate to the blade

I seem to recall there are videos on YouTube that go over this to make it easy.

I bought my hose from Rockler - http://www.rockler.com/12-ft-heavy-duty-shop-vacuum-hose-kit.  That hose can be cut in half to go from the over blade dust collection unit to the box, and then from the box to the vac.  I just used a hole saw on my drill press to cut a press-fit hole for the lower port and two for the hose.  It will connect to the Festool or a Shop Vac.

Let me know and I can take a photo of the adapter box I made if you are interested for connecting the upper and lower dust ports to one vac.  Pretty simple and it works well.

Good luck!
-Paul
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2017, 02:33 PM »
Check out this deal on the DeWalt DW745:


@ Slick Deals .net, for some reason FOG blocks that website.


.net/f/10169056-dewalt-model-dw745-15-amp-10-in-compact-job-site-table-saw-250-fs-at-hd


Price should be $250 at checkout at Home Depot:


http://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-15-Amp-10-in-Compact-Job-Site-Table-Saw-DW745/100497987
« Last Edit: May 19, 2017, 02:58 PM by ben_r_ »
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2017, 02:51 PM »
Check out this deal on the DeWalt DW745: LINK
DNS error on your LINK.  That model is a bit different, miter slot aren't "T" slots for one.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2017, 02:55 PM by wptski »
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2017, 02:59 PM »
Check out this deal on the DeWalt DW745: LINK
DNS error on your LINK.  That model is a bit different, miter slot aren't "T" slots for one.
Fixed. I think. See that post.
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2017, 05:37 PM »
Paul -


Here's a sketchup drawing.  Box overall is about 5.5" square made from 1/2 baltic birch ply.


The holes were cut to fit the dust collection input on the saw side and the two hose holes were cut to 1.96" to offer a tight fit for 2" hose from Rockler that goes up to the over blade guard and out to the vac.


Easy to slip on or remove as warranted.  When not using the overarm dust collection, I just plug the hole in the box with a rag.


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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2017, 06:00 AM »
Now that makes more sense. Thank you for the drawing! You're using this as crazy "Y" adapter because there are three different hose sizes involved. Is the over-blade dust collection effective on the DeWalt table saw?
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2017, 08:00 AM »
In my case, only two hole sizes.  The top and front holes are the same size and fit the Rockler hose I referenced above. 


In my case I measured with a Caliper and cut the holes with a CNC.  That let me do a press fit for easy removal of the box.

The over blade collection definitely helps with dust.  But you do need to plan for hose management of you are doing a wide rip on sheet goods so keep that in mind before you cut your hose.
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Re: Need Help Choosing a Compact Table Saw
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2017, 08:30 AM »
Now that makes more sense. Thank you for the drawing! You're using this as crazy "Y" adapter because there are three different hose sizes involved. Is the over-blade dust collection effective on the DeWalt table saw?
If your expecting a clean table, it isn't going to happen.  I helps more so with airborne particles, bigger pieces still end up on the table depending on the material, type and size of the cut.

I used hose from a 1 1/2" kit purchased at Lowe's with one end fits over the blade guard fitting.  I used an adapter from some other kit I had that screw on to that size hose also.  I bushed down the 2 1/2" "Y" adapter with PVC pipe/fittings with a 1 degree tapered hole for a snug fit.  I used another PVC cap fitting with a 1 degree taper to cap the opening when not in use.  The other opening I used PVC pipe and nylon to bush down for a 1 1/4" hose on a Fein vacuum with another 1 degree tapered hole.  As mentioned above, I lose vacuum up at the blade guard for some reason but it's stronger at the "Y" fitting! [unsure]
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