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Offline neeleman

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New Fein 2015 models
« on: August 26, 2015, 08:51 AM »
Fein does bring out the following new 12 V tools this Autumn:
- AFMT 12 Multitalent
- AFMT 12 Q Multitalent
- ABSU 12 C drill 2 speed
- ABSU 12 W4C drill 2 speed
- ASCM 12 C drill 4 speed
- ASCD 12-100 W4C impact drill
- Aled LED light

And an new 18V Multimaster:
- AFMM 18 Multimaster

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Offline Kev

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 09:08 AM »
Nothing mind blowing there - couldn't see one thing I'd ache for ... [smile]

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 09:21 AM »
nice.  on a somewhat related note, does anyone know: 

how do the current crop of fein batteries compare to the festool ones?
and
how does the vecturo compare to the fein--anyone own both and has had a chance to give them a thorough workout?   

I use a corded fein supercut a lot, I also now use my carvex cordless a lot and am very impressed with its battery.  so, it would be great if festool came out with a cordless vecturo before too long.  would not mind getting a cordless supercut if the batteries were very good.  as much as i love my fein, it would be great if i could stay on one battery system.  i also like the extra attachments that the vecturo offers.


Offline Kev

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 09:26 AM »
I doubt that a cordless Vecturo would be far off, simply because all of the pieces are there to deliver it today. A real travesty if they don't [eek]


Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 09:39 AM »
I did notice that all of the Fein batteries are only 2.5 Ah. That's about 2 generations away from the current offerings of others.

The LED lamp appears to be really nice though. Rather clever with the rotating head, also compact and powerful. I think I'd prefer that form over the SysLite Uni. Not a big fan of the Uni.

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 09:44 AM »
I doubt that a cordless Vecturo would be far off, simply because all of the pieces are there to deliver it today. A real travesty if they don't [eek]

completely logical, but why am i not seeing stuff like the vacsys in my neck of the woods?  riddle me that...

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 10:01 AM »
I did notice that all of the Fein batteries are only 2.5 Ah. That's about 2 generations away from the current offerings of others.

The LED lamp appears to be really nice though. Rather clever with the rotating head, also compact and powerful. I think I'd prefer that form over the SysLite Uni. Not a big fan of the Uni.

that's true of that current lineup of the smaller units--i'm not seeing anything on that new list that i want either.  but fein has 4 Ah batteries in other units.  I haven't tried any of the festool 5.2 Ah stuff, but I really like the 4.2 Ah battery that my carvex has.

Offline sae

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 10:16 AM »
I did notice that all of the Fein batteries are only 2.5 Ah. That's about 2 generations away from the current offerings of others.


Incorrect.

2.5Ah/2.6Ah for a compact 10.8v/12v battery is pretty much the latest there is, whether it be Fein, Bosch, or Festool.

Metabo has a 5.2Ah 10.8v in the dual cell configuration which nobody else offers, but they're always the leader in battery tech.

Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 10:19 AM »
[quote author=teocaf link=topic=42169.msg413370#msg413370 date=1440597693

that's true of that current lineup of the smaller units--i'm not seeing anything on that new list that i want either.  but fein has 4 Ah batteries in other units.  I haven't tried any of the festool 5.2 Ah stuff, but I really like the 4.2 Ah battery that my carvex has.
[/quote]

I have a bunch of the 4.2 Ah batteries that I use on the Uni, original SysLite and the C 15. I get great life out of them, very happy. Not so happy with the 1.3 Ah on the CXS however. [sad] [crying]

Gotta go...my wife's barking orders again [poke]

Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2015, 10:28 AM »
Incorrect.

2.5Ah/2.6Ah for a compact 10.8v/12v battery is pretty much the latest there is, whether it be Fein, Bosch, or Festool.

I was specifically looking at the 18V Multimaster...it's still 2.5Ah.


Offline sae

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2015, 10:33 AM »
Incorrect.

2.5Ah/2.6Ah for a compact 10.8v/12v battery is pretty much the latest there is, whether it be Fein, Bosch, or Festool.

I was specifically looking at the 18V Multimaster...it's still 2.5Ah.

Same story though.

It's five 3.7v (nominal) cells in series, 2.5/2.6Ah is basically the highest capacity tested INR 18650 cells available.

Only are the 10 cell packs achieving beyond that, which is running two banks of 5 cells in parallel, and obviously the weight near doubles.

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2015, 10:40 AM »
Not so happy with the 1.3 Ah on the CXS however. [sad] [crying]

Yeah, that's a toy IMO.  I could never see getting such a narrow range tool for myself, no matter how much I hear others raving about it.  I don't necessarily look for the biggest battery, but I typically look for a tool that has a broad range of uses.  I prefer not to be crowded out of my own shop by systainers.

Offline neeleman

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2015, 10:43 AM »
Incorrect.

2.5Ah/2.6Ah for a compact 10.8v/12v battery is pretty much the latest there is, whether it be Fein, Bosch, or Festool.

I was specifically looking at the 18V Multimaster...it's still 2.5Ah.

It's always a compromise. It makes the machine better to handle.
Festool also recently brought out an 2.6 Ah battery which is lighter then the 5.2 versions.
When working overhead or when the 5.2 Ah battery makes the machine to heavy you can switch to the 2.6 version.
BTW Fein also makes 4.0 Ah batteries which of course can be used in the 18V Multimaster. At least if you own them.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2015, 11:05 AM »
@teocaf
I'm one of those people that rave about the CSX, fantastic tool. I just need to purchase the 2.6 batteries and then it'll be perfect.

Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2015, 11:09 AM »

It's always a compromise. It makes the machine better to handle.
Festool also recently brought out an 2.6 Ah battery which is lighter then the 5.2 versions.
When working overhead or when the 5.2 Ah battery makes the machine to heavy you can switch to the 2.6 version.


Ya, I noticed that in the latest Festool brochure, that they were pushing the 2.6Ah battery for use in the PDC QuaDrive.

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2015, 11:35 AM »
I just need to purchase the ................, and then it'll be perfect.

I hear ya, bruv.  I belong to the same religious sect: The Immaculate Eternal Hope of Tool Perfection

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2015, 12:42 PM »
The new fein and metabo drills are pretty sweet, I may stray soon.

Offline jlyons

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 12:46 AM »
Anyone have the new 2.6 batteries for their cxs?  I am crurious as to what kinda of a difference it would make.  I just love my csx. but would love just a little more power.

Offline Kev

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 01:53 AM »
I doubt that a cordless Vecturo would be far off, simply because all of the pieces are there to deliver it today. A real travesty if they don't [eek]

completely logical, but why am i not seeing stuff like the vacsys in my neck of the woods?  riddle me that...

I think that's a factor of 110 vs 240 and the fact that it's not even unique. I think the landed price for a VACSYS in the U.S. Would have people looking at it as an idea, then buying similar cheaper!

Just guessing though.

Offline bryan1982

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2015, 07:13 AM »
Does anyone know when the new fein cordless multi tool stuff is hitting australia?

Cheers

Bryan

Offline Holz-Her

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
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Offline awil66

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2015, 07:10 PM »
Not sure about elsewhere but have you looked at the price of a fein replscement battery?  $271.80 today on amazon. Hope that's a mistake

Offline Holz-Her

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Offline Tinker

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2015, 03:44 PM »
The batteries have finally died on my old CD 12, but the chucks fit my CDS.  I suppose i am overloading the little wonder when i chuck in a larger drill using the larger chuck from the CD 12.  But so far, it has been doing everything i want throw at it. I have an old 12v makita and a 9v Hitachi that i resurrected when my CD 12 gave out.  The Makita can twist my arm off, but the battery does not last as long as my CDS batteries. Those batteries seem to just go forever.  When they do die, i have no warning.  The tool just quits.  The first time that happened,  thought there was something wrong with the tool.  Every time it happens, i am surprised.
Tinker
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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2015, 05:45 PM »
I had a little squeeze time with the new Fein models. Unfortunately I missed the Fein rep who was Demo'ing the tools.

It feels great in hand and the bit holder is solid. The Dealer was impressed by the Demo and said the 12V MultiTalent cuts really well and that the quick chuck drill was very powerful for its size. They drove 8x200mm screws (in wood) in _2nd_ gear.  [eek]
Tale does not tell which wood but probably soft wood studs.

Also there was confirmed that Fein will release an Angle Head and Bit chuck (Centrotec style) for the drill.

I am positively impressed with the little drill and I think that with the 12V impact there is little to ask for. I don't think the drills would be suited for larger hole saws but as a workshop/cabinet general drill/driver it seems excellent.

I still think the CXS is the best little drill I have ever had but if I was in the market for a small drill I'd give the Fein a long hard look: small, strong, brushless and a multicutter and an impact in the tool range makes for a nice little package. :)

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Offline fshanno

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2015, 08:04 PM »
This is interesting.

I got the Fein ASCM 18 QX back when Toolnut had the crazy low price.  But I needed a powerful cordless drill right away and it was something like $175. 

I recently used it with a 6" hole saw.  I was making some bean bag toss games.  At one point it grabbed and the drill was yanked out of my hands and went flying.  Bottom line was it had no problem with whatsoever drilling 6" holes in 3/4" plywood.  After the first couple of holes I got tired of being mauled and just ran it backwards.  Made a smoother hole.  So I guess I got my power.

Then Toolnut ran the 18v multimaster for $300.  I thought about it if for no other reason than to get two more batteries for the drill.  Plus they would be lighter batteries being 2.5ah but I didn't bite.  Just not sure if I want to commit to the battery platform.  I just get the feeling that stuff is going to break in the next couple of years.  Now I have some cheap drills for utility, a CXS for functionality and this hoss from Fein.  I can sit back and wait for the picture to flesh out a little.  I just get the feeling in the long run it will be Festool.  We'll see.

What am I doing for a multi tool in the mean time?  Harbor Freight of course.



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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2015, 06:56 AM »
I am wishfully thinking that a little further down the line Festool might actually offer a rebadged Fein ASCM and the 12V Impact in the CXS line up. It would make sense: a four gear brushless drill with chucks and an Impact drill for the CXS/TXS line up. I would get both. Toss in that MultiTalent and I am good to go. ;)

The Fein ASCM bit holder shaft has the same diameter as the larger Fein Quick drills but the Fein Bit Quick chuck does not lock in place. It fits nice and snug but the locking ball detents are not the same and do not match up.  [mad]

I did get to try it with the 18V Bit Holder chuck in place and the machine is very well balanced without the drill chuck.

The ASCM 12V is kind of reminiscent of the Festool T12+3 in both body size and handle shape - maybe that is why I like it so much? The grip is even a little bit better than on the T12+3.  The batteries are very small sized and look like toy batteries.
A kit consisting of the MultiTalent, the ASCM, the Impact plus that little LED-light would fit in a Systainer and would make for a nice little kit.

I have no pressing use for it but I like small and capable machines. I think Fein did really well on these.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Online pettyconstruction

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New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2015, 10:50 AM »
I had bought the fein drill that tool nut had on sale last summer,and never liked it.
The drill seemed awfully big and didn't have a belt hook,plenty of power though.

I was going to leave it in the shop,where the size and lack of hook wouldn't be missed. The next day took it out and ran 6- 2/12" deck screws in redwood before it burned up. Smelled real bad.
Called tool nut and they sent a return slip for ups and sent it back,only to hear from them that they didn't have a replacement for me. Gave full credit back.

I am not trying to bad mouth fein,just saying what happened to me. I have a fein supercut and could not be happier.
The service from tool nut was stellar  btw.
Still need a 18v drill,and am looking at the festool now,but the sale price on that fein was to much to pass.
Charlie

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2015, 03:53 PM »
Charlie: I believe the 18V Fein line up (drills) were made "not in Germany". I might be wrong about this. They never appealed to me and I was surprised over the line up, bulky and reports similar to yours.

The 12V line up (at least the brush less ASCM)  seems like a bonafide German made machine and an in house Fein construction. Overall the fit and finish and the "haptics" were first rate. Same for the Multitalent multicutter though I would not replace my Supercut with it. 
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline ScotF

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2015, 12:46 AM »
Charlie: I believe the 18V Fein line up (drills) were made "not in Germany". I might be wrong about this. They never appealed to me and I was surprised over the line up, bulky and reports similar to yours.

The 12V line up (at least the brush less ASCM)  seems like a bonafide German made machine and an in house Fein construction. Overall the fit and finish and the "haptics" were first rate. Same for the Multitalent multicutter though I would not replace my Supercut with it.

They are made in Germany and very high quality. I think that Charlie had a bad unit. I like mine even though it is a tad on the heavy side. A right angle chuck would make this a near perfect drill in my opinion.