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Offline neeleman

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New Fein 2015 models
« on: August 26, 2015, 08:51 AM »
Fein does bring out the following new 12 V tools this Autumn:
- AFMT 12 Multitalent
- AFMT 12 Q Multitalent
- ABSU 12 C drill 2 speed
- ABSU 12 W4C drill 2 speed
- ASCM 12 C drill 4 speed
- ASCD 12-100 W4C impact drill
- Aled LED light

And an new 18V Multimaster:
- AFMM 18 Multimaster

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Online Kev

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 09:08 AM »
Nothing mind blowing there - couldn't see one thing I'd ache for ... [smile]

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 09:21 AM »
nice.  on a somewhat related note, does anyone know: 

how do the current crop of fein batteries compare to the festool ones?
and
how does the vecturo compare to the fein--anyone own both and has had a chance to give them a thorough workout?   

I use a corded fein supercut a lot, I also now use my carvex cordless a lot and am very impressed with its battery.  so, it would be great if festool came out with a cordless vecturo before too long.  would not mind getting a cordless supercut if the batteries were very good.  as much as i love my fein, it would be great if i could stay on one battery system.  i also like the extra attachments that the vecturo offers.


Online Kev

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 09:26 AM »
I doubt that a cordless Vecturo would be far off, simply because all of the pieces are there to deliver it today. A real travesty if they don't [eek]


Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 09:39 AM »
I did notice that all of the Fein batteries are only 2.5 Ah. That's about 2 generations away from the current offerings of others.

The LED lamp appears to be really nice though. Rather clever with the rotating head, also compact and powerful. I think I'd prefer that form over the SysLite Uni. Not a big fan of the Uni.

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 09:44 AM »
I doubt that a cordless Vecturo would be far off, simply because all of the pieces are there to deliver it today. A real travesty if they don't [eek]

completely logical, but why am i not seeing stuff like the vacsys in my neck of the woods?  riddle me that...

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 10:01 AM »
I did notice that all of the Fein batteries are only 2.5 Ah. That's about 2 generations away from the current offerings of others.

The LED lamp appears to be really nice though. Rather clever with the rotating head, also compact and powerful. I think I'd prefer that form over the SysLite Uni. Not a big fan of the Uni.

that's true of that current lineup of the smaller units--i'm not seeing anything on that new list that i want either.  but fein has 4 Ah batteries in other units.  I haven't tried any of the festool 5.2 Ah stuff, but I really like the 4.2 Ah battery that my carvex has.

Offline sae

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 10:16 AM »
I did notice that all of the Fein batteries are only 2.5 Ah. That's about 2 generations away from the current offerings of others.


Incorrect.

2.5Ah/2.6Ah for a compact 10.8v/12v battery is pretty much the latest there is, whether it be Fein, Bosch, or Festool.

Metabo has a 5.2Ah 10.8v in the dual cell configuration which nobody else offers, but they're always the leader in battery tech.

Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 10:19 AM »
[quote author=teocaf link=topic=42169.msg413370#msg413370 date=1440597693

that's true of that current lineup of the smaller units--i'm not seeing anything on that new list that i want either.  but fein has 4 Ah batteries in other units.  I haven't tried any of the festool 5.2 Ah stuff, but I really like the 4.2 Ah battery that my carvex has.
[/quote]

I have a bunch of the 4.2 Ah batteries that I use on the Uni, original SysLite and the C 15. I get great life out of them, very happy. Not so happy with the 1.3 Ah on the CXS however. [sad] [crying]

Gotta go...my wife's barking orders again [poke]

Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2015, 10:28 AM »
Incorrect.

2.5Ah/2.6Ah for a compact 10.8v/12v battery is pretty much the latest there is, whether it be Fein, Bosch, or Festool.

I was specifically looking at the 18V Multimaster...it's still 2.5Ah.


Offline sae

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2015, 10:33 AM »
Incorrect.

2.5Ah/2.6Ah for a compact 10.8v/12v battery is pretty much the latest there is, whether it be Fein, Bosch, or Festool.

I was specifically looking at the 18V Multimaster...it's still 2.5Ah.

Same story though.

It's five 3.7v (nominal) cells in series, 2.5/2.6Ah is basically the highest capacity tested INR 18650 cells available.

Only are the 10 cell packs achieving beyond that, which is running two banks of 5 cells in parallel, and obviously the weight near doubles.

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2015, 10:40 AM »
Not so happy with the 1.3 Ah on the CXS however. [sad] [crying]

Yeah, that's a toy IMO.  I could never see getting such a narrow range tool for myself, no matter how much I hear others raving about it.  I don't necessarily look for the biggest battery, but I typically look for a tool that has a broad range of uses.  I prefer not to be crowded out of my own shop by systainers.

Offline neeleman

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2015, 10:43 AM »
Incorrect.

2.5Ah/2.6Ah for a compact 10.8v/12v battery is pretty much the latest there is, whether it be Fein, Bosch, or Festool.

I was specifically looking at the 18V Multimaster...it's still 2.5Ah.

It's always a compromise. It makes the machine better to handle.
Festool also recently brought out an 2.6 Ah battery which is lighter then the 5.2 versions.
When working overhead or when the 5.2 Ah battery makes the machine to heavy you can switch to the 2.6 version.
BTW Fein also makes 4.0 Ah batteries which of course can be used in the 18V Multimaster. At least if you own them.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2015, 11:05 AM »
@teocaf
I'm one of those people that rave about the CSX, fantastic tool. I just need to purchase the 2.6 batteries and then it'll be perfect.

Offline Cheese

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2015, 11:09 AM »

It's always a compromise. It makes the machine better to handle.
Festool also recently brought out an 2.6 Ah battery which is lighter then the 5.2 versions.
When working overhead or when the 5.2 Ah battery makes the machine to heavy you can switch to the 2.6 version.


Ya, I noticed that in the latest Festool brochure, that they were pushing the 2.6Ah battery for use in the PDC QuaDrive.

Offline teocaf

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2015, 11:35 AM »
I just need to purchase the ................, and then it'll be perfect.

I hear ya, bruv.  I belong to the same religious sect: The Immaculate Eternal Hope of Tool Perfection

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2015, 12:42 PM »
The new fein and metabo drills are pretty sweet, I may stray soon.

Offline jlyons

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 12:46 AM »
Anyone have the new 2.6 batteries for their cxs?  I am crurious as to what kinda of a difference it would make.  I just love my csx. but would love just a little more power.

Online Kev

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 01:53 AM »
I doubt that a cordless Vecturo would be far off, simply because all of the pieces are there to deliver it today. A real travesty if they don't [eek]

completely logical, but why am i not seeing stuff like the vacsys in my neck of the woods?  riddle me that...

I think that's a factor of 110 vs 240 and the fact that it's not even unique. I think the landed price for a VACSYS in the U.S. Would have people looking at it as an idea, then buying similar cheaper!

Just guessing though.

Offline bryan1982

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2015, 07:13 AM »
Does anyone know when the new fein cordless multi tool stuff is hitting australia?

Cheers

Bryan

Offline Holz-Her

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
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Offline awil66

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2015, 07:10 PM »
Not sure about elsewhere but have you looked at the price of a fein replscement battery?  $271.80 today on amazon. Hope that's a mistake

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Offline Tinker

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2015, 03:44 PM »
The batteries have finally died on my old CD 12, but the chucks fit my CDS.  I suppose i am overloading the little wonder when i chuck in a larger drill using the larger chuck from the CD 12.  But so far, it has been doing everything i want throw at it. I have an old 12v makita and a 9v Hitachi that i resurrected when my CD 12 gave out.  The Makita can twist my arm off, but the battery does not last as long as my CDS batteries. Those batteries seem to just go forever.  When they do die, i have no warning.  The tool just quits.  The first time that happened,  thought there was something wrong with the tool.  Every time it happens, i am surprised.
Tinker
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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2015, 05:45 PM »
I had a little squeeze time with the new Fein models. Unfortunately I missed the Fein rep who was Demo'ing the tools.

It feels great in hand and the bit holder is solid. The Dealer was impressed by the Demo and said the 12V MultiTalent cuts really well and that the quick chuck drill was very powerful for its size. They drove 8x200mm screws (in wood) in _2nd_ gear.  [eek]
Tale does not tell which wood but probably soft wood studs.

Also there was confirmed that Fein will release an Angle Head and Bit chuck (Centrotec style) for the drill.

I am positively impressed with the little drill and I think that with the 12V impact there is little to ask for. I don't think the drills would be suited for larger hole saws but as a workshop/cabinet general drill/driver it seems excellent.

I still think the CXS is the best little drill I have ever had but if I was in the market for a small drill I'd give the Fein a long hard look: small, strong, brushless and a multicutter and an impact in the tool range makes for a nice little package. :)

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Offline fshanno

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2015, 08:04 PM »
This is interesting.

I got the Fein ASCM 18 QX back when Toolnut had the crazy low price.  But I needed a powerful cordless drill right away and it was something like $175. 

I recently used it with a 6" hole saw.  I was making some bean bag toss games.  At one point it grabbed and the drill was yanked out of my hands and went flying.  Bottom line was it had no problem with whatsoever drilling 6" holes in 3/4" plywood.  After the first couple of holes I got tired of being mauled and just ran it backwards.  Made a smoother hole.  So I guess I got my power.

Then Toolnut ran the 18v multimaster for $300.  I thought about it if for no other reason than to get two more batteries for the drill.  Plus they would be lighter batteries being 2.5ah but I didn't bite.  Just not sure if I want to commit to the battery platform.  I just get the feeling that stuff is going to break in the next couple of years.  Now I have some cheap drills for utility, a CXS for functionality and this hoss from Fein.  I can sit back and wait for the picture to flesh out a little.  I just get the feeling in the long run it will be Festool.  We'll see.

What am I doing for a multi tool in the mean time?  Harbor Freight of course.



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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2015, 06:56 AM »
I am wishfully thinking that a little further down the line Festool might actually offer a rebadged Fein ASCM and the 12V Impact in the CXS line up. It would make sense: a four gear brushless drill with chucks and an Impact drill for the CXS/TXS line up. I would get both. Toss in that MultiTalent and I am good to go. ;)

The Fein ASCM bit holder shaft has the same diameter as the larger Fein Quick drills but the Fein Bit Quick chuck does not lock in place. It fits nice and snug but the locking ball detents are not the same and do not match up.  [mad]

I did get to try it with the 18V Bit Holder chuck in place and the machine is very well balanced without the drill chuck.

The ASCM 12V is kind of reminiscent of the Festool T12+3 in both body size and handle shape - maybe that is why I like it so much? The grip is even a little bit better than on the T12+3.  The batteries are very small sized and look like toy batteries.
A kit consisting of the MultiTalent, the ASCM, the Impact plus that little LED-light would fit in a Systainer and would make for a nice little kit.

I have no pressing use for it but I like small and capable machines. I think Fein did really well on these.
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DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline pettyconstruction

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New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2015, 10:50 AM »
I had bought the fein drill that tool nut had on sale last summer,and never liked it.
The drill seemed awfully big and didn't have a belt hook,plenty of power though.

I was going to leave it in the shop,where the size and lack of hook wouldn't be missed. The next day took it out and ran 6- 2/12" deck screws in redwood before it burned up. Smelled real bad.
Called tool nut and they sent a return slip for ups and sent it back,only to hear from them that they didn't have a replacement for me. Gave full credit back.

I am not trying to bad mouth fein,just saying what happened to me. I have a fein supercut and could not be happier.
The service from tool nut was stellar  btw.
Still need a 18v drill,and am looking at the festool now,but the sale price on that fein was to much to pass.
Charlie

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2015, 03:53 PM »
Charlie: I believe the 18V Fein line up (drills) were made "not in Germany". I might be wrong about this. They never appealed to me and I was surprised over the line up, bulky and reports similar to yours.

The 12V line up (at least the brush less ASCM)  seems like a bonafide German made machine and an in house Fein construction. Overall the fit and finish and the "haptics" were first rate. Same for the Multitalent multicutter though I would not replace my Supercut with it. 
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline ScotF

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2015, 12:46 AM »
Charlie: I believe the 18V Fein line up (drills) were made "not in Germany". I might be wrong about this. They never appealed to me and I was surprised over the line up, bulky and reports similar to yours.

The 12V line up (at least the brush less ASCM)  seems like a bonafide German made machine and an in house Fein construction. Overall the fit and finish and the "haptics" were first rate. Same for the Multitalent multicutter though I would not replace my Supercut with it.

They are made in Germany and very high quality. I think that Charlie had a bad unit. I like mine even though it is a tad on the heavy side. A right angle chuck would make this a near perfect drill in my opinion.

Offline matte

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2015, 01:09 AM »
Yesterday i went to a festool store over here. And they re also dealer of fein.  I was looking for a new drill. I also had the fein 14 ascm qx in mind. Butt when i saw i in real i was very dissapointing. I would felt it a rather big drill driver. Also on the top where the gears are located is very wide. When you compare it to a t15 you really can see and feel the difference. Thats why i choose for the t15

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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2015, 10:17 AM »

Charlie: I believe the 18V Fein line up (drills) were made "not in Germany". I might be wrong about this. They never appealed to me and I was surprised over the line up, bulky and reports similar to yours.

The 12V line up (at least the brush less ASCM)  seems like a bonafide German made machine and an in house Fein construction. Overall the fit and finish and the "haptics" were first rate. Same for the Multitalent multicutter though I would not replace my Supercut with it.

They are made in Germany and very high quality. I think that Charlie had a bad unit. I like mine even though it is a tad on the heavy side. A right angle chuck would make this a near perfect drill in my opinion.
i agree I think I just got a bad one.
I am not saying anything negative about the company,the drill just wasn't a good fit for me.
Charlie

Offline sae

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2015, 02:26 AM »
Charlie: I believe the 18V Fein line up (drills) were made "not in Germany". I might be wrong about this. They never appealed to me and I was surprised over the line up, bulky and reports similar to yours.

The 12V line up (at least the brush less ASCM)  seems like a bonafide German made machine and an in house Fein construction. Overall the fit and finish and the "haptics" were first rate. Same for the Multitalent multicutter though I would not replace my Supercut with it.

They are made in Germany and very high quality. I think that Charlie had a bad unit. I like mine even though it is a tad on the heavy side. A right angle chuck would make this a near perfect drill in my opinion.

I'm willing to bet the excessive size is due to the 4 speed gearbox.

Hence why the PDC and DRC are so large as well (and the T18 isn't as bulky).

Offline yetihunter

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2016, 06:16 AM »
Just to clarify in response to some earliers posts:

Most of the newest generation of Fein drills are made in China.
The ASCM models are made in Germany.

Don't know about the new 12v.

Spare batteries are outsourced from Japan and are shockingly expensive.

Offline matte

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2016, 01:23 PM »
12 v ascm is also made in germany.

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2016, 02:03 AM »
Got word yesterday that the angle chuck and bit chuck is still in the pipe but no release date yet. Did get official word from Fein Sweden that they will release 5 Ah batteries for the 12V series. :) 
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DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2017, 02:20 PM »
Ok, swept by to pester the local pusher today and one of the staff had spoken to the Fein rep who had showed him pictures on his phone on the new angle chuck for the ASCM - and a few other goodies that he could not mention or simply did not recognize - or ask about. One of the other accessories did look like a centrofix quick change bitchuck when he sketched it up from memory - based on shape and colour of the chuck. If so, good news!

The angle chuck looked really well made according to the guy and looked like a unit in production (the guy is a machinist and has an eye for it) so he thought it would not be long before release.

Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2017, 12:54 PM »
And here they be:

https://fein.com/en_uk/drilling/cordless-screwdrivers/professional-set-for-ascm-12-qc-tapping-0359422/



https://d17a3dwm7bmd8g.cloudfront.net/cdn/v1.1084/media/product/359422/10_800x600.jpg

Fast chuck - and other special chucks - but where is the angle chuck... ???
...apparently still not ready...

At least they got out a quick change locking bit chuck and some extras for metal workers...   

« Last Edit: January 19, 2017, 01:05 PM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2017, 02:59 PM »
Ok, got me the drill. Chucks are en route and should arrive tomorrow. It is a great little drill and very well built.
It feels as good as and perhaps even better than the T18 when it comes to slow driving - it feels verrrrry precise.

After speaking once again with the sales rep he was sure he did see a right angle chuck and drew it up from memory. He also said it looked very solidly machined and that he viewed a high resolution image which assured me he did not mistake the other add ons for a right angle chuck. There is one in the works. :)

I normally use a CXS and a T18 for fitting kitchens and the Fein drill is probably going to replace both when the angle unit arrives as it is nimble enough and has plenty of power. Ordered the LED light and some other extras while I was at it. Since I have been wanting a (preferrably small) impact drill from Festool for years and years I decided to get the Fein Impact and an extra battery and round off the kit with the MultiTalent. Looking forward to putting them to good use.     
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline yetihunter

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2017, 07:20 PM »
What are the chances that you can snap some pics of the size differences between the ascm 12, cxs and T18?  pretty pretty please  [big grin]

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2017, 03:14 PM »
Yetihunter: have been absent for a while - busy with work - but saw your reply just now.

As it happens all three drills are under the same roof at the moment as I just got back from a project so I will take som photos tomorrow and post them. It will be about mid day my time, so about eighteen hours from this posting - whatever your time zone might be.  [smile]

I brought the ASCM 12 C on a large decking build up on a roof together with the impact. The impact is very basic, a good enough machine but very loud. We used it very sparingly... ...it turned out the ASCM 12 C was plenty strong and my colleague was very impressed. He really liked it. He thought it was as powerful as his 18V Panasonic (a few years old) and then he realised he was running the Fein in 2nd gear [eek] and hadn't even tried 1st gear. And then he was told it was a 12V machine with four speeds. ;)

The drill was a pleasure to work with both driving small screws and larger ones - no problem at all and very agile.

The only small gripe is that you run through batteries rapidly driving 6x90mm screws (no pilot holes) - but to be fair we were running those screws non stop for a few hours so maybe not so surprising. I had three 2,5Ah batteries and the one in the charger was always ready to go before the second one ran flat and there was one to spare.

Superb little unit. I missed the opportunity yesterday to meet up with the Fein rep at a store event - I would have liked to know if he had any info on the two things I am waiting for: the right angle chuck and a larger battery. Considering how light the small battery is and the overall ergonomics I would have no problem with a 5Ah battery at twice the weight of the 2,5Ah battery as the 2,5Ah battery weighs next to nothing. 

Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2017, 01:23 PM »




Comments on the machines CXS vs Fein ASCM12C and T18 vs ASCM12C:

As you can see the CXS is easily the smallest and it is also the lightest. It has the best belt clip. AFAIK it is the best belt clip on the market unless you jam it down the backside and squat down where the tongue can get too close for comfort. ;) But the Fein is the shortest in head length with chuck removed.

Drawback for the CXS is the limited power compared to the Fein. The difference is not small, the Fein is simply put a much stronger machine and has four speeds - all of them usable. In gear two the Fein is a lot stronger than the CXS in gear one. For drilling the Fein is a clearly better machine. Chuck is better, speeds are better. For fine driving the Fein is more tactile than the CXS. The only thing the CXS has over the Fein is the compact form factor and belt clip.
Batterywise they are somewhat equally capable with a slight nod to the Fein for being brushless and more forgiving with larger screws.

The CXS with the Fein power and speed would be a carpenters dream machine. The CXS is one of those drills that I can't be without - despite lack of power and not being brushless. But if I didn't have any of the two and was in the market for one small-ish drill/driver I would choose the Fein. The right angle chuck hasn't hit the market yet but it will surface when the new 18V line is hitting the shelves as the chucks are compatible - a few specialty chucks will and have hit the market for the ASCM12C. 

Powerwise it is hard to tell but the Fein ASCM 12 C is rated at 40NM torque and feels as strong as the T18. After using it for decking I would say it does not cut off as early as the T18 so it feels stronger in actual use.  [eek]

The Fein ASCM12C isn't all that much smaller than the T18 but it is a little smaller, lighter and handles better than the T18 which isn't a small feat as the T18 is a brilliant drill. For gentle driving I would say they are equal - very smooth.
For power they are equal. Though I haven't run them the same way I do think the T18 with the 3,1Ah would last longer than the Fein ASCM12C when driving larger screws. Even with the older 2,6Ah Festool battery I think the T18 would come out on top.

The Fein battery is extremely light and very small so a 5Ah battery, twice the weight and larger would be hardly noticeable on the drill in use. I hope they will release a 4/5Ah battery as it will definitely help with run time - the drill does so well that it just breezes through for the most part. For finer drilling I think the Fein has the edge with more speed for smaller drill bits and a very high quality metal chuck. Festool of course has the Centrotec system. I find that the bitholder on the Fein seats the Centrotec drill bits very securely but not deep seated as on Centrotec. In tight spaces (furniture/cabinetry) this gives Festool the edge of course.

Festool of course has the 18V line going for the T18 and Fein has only a few tools in 12V: four are varieties of drills
and the last one is the Fein MultiTalent multicutter. 

It is very easy to recommend the Fein ASCM12C to everyone interested in a compact and high performance drill. It is on par with the T18 and is very compact and oozes quality in fit, feel and use. For people that would like only ONE drill/driver - the Fein drill could very well be "it".  It doesn't really fit in my arsenal since I run Festool in the workshop and Mafell/Metabo in the field but the Fein is so good it is a keeper too... ...and I find I am happy to reach for it as often as I can. I wasn't expecting it to do as well as it did in the field with larger screws and decking but it is really impressive. :)
« Last Edit: April 29, 2017, 01:49 PM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Tinker

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2017, 08:11 PM »
A great review and comparrisons Henrik.
Tinker
Wayne H. Tinker

Offline yetihunter

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2017, 06:04 AM »
@Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits

Thank you!
I was not expecting such an excellent in-depth comparison.
My wallet is crying, as you have me interested in buying yet another drill. 🤣

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2017, 04:51 PM »
Hello Tinker - I hope all is well with you! :)

Yetihunter: no worries. :)

Drawbacks: The Fein drill is "yet another" battery platform if you have a widespread variety of tools.
It is however one of those drills that definitely grow on you the more you use it.

When the right angle unit arrives I can see myself bringing just the Fein drill instead of bringing _both_ the CXS and the T18. The Impact tags along in the same SYS. And if you consider that the CXS and T18 are not battery compatible and have different chargers the Fein ASCM12C does save both space and weight and hassle on the job site. Also, Festool does not have an Impact (the old Ti15 does not count ;) ).

The thing that the CXS has going for it is the agility and size but in terms of performance and delivery of performance the Fein ASCM12C is truly top notch.

The siblings of the ASCM12C (I don't have all the acronyms in memory) are different.
The ASCM12C is a silent drill, it does not make that "beepy" sound when you run the motor and it feels great.

The compact bit chuck Fein (no drill chuck) is a decent machine but it feels a lot more plasticky and has that cheapo beepy sound in action.  It does not rev the motor very high and it is a brushed motor. The fixed drill chuck Fein is the same machine and would feel the same although both the bit holder on the compact Fein and the drill chuck on the regular drill Fein are good quality.

The Fein Impact is a pretty decent machine and considering the price w/o battery charger I find it a good addition to the kit. It is a bit loud but it feels decent in use. It is a brushed machine but has good eonugh power for a small unit.
I have only used it occasionally - I have nothing bad to say about it. It is a just one of those "ok" machines that most other manufacturers make. It is a keeper for those times that an impact is handy to have. For me, not so often but it takes up very little space and it does the job.

The MultiTalent I was hoping would be a keeper as it too would fit in a single sys with the Fein ASCM12C and with three-four batteries, the charger and the ALED light. I forgot to mention the little LED battery light. It is handy and, again, takes up very little space and is nice to have around.



The light and the ASCM12C is a great combo. In tight spaces I just leave the ALED light on. The Fein drill LED is "ok" but not that powerful and I usually prefer constant light over drill lights except for quick jobs.

The MultiTalent feels (to me) a bit underpowered though it does the job. It is however quite a rattler. The old Supercut (and the Vecturo) are both more powerful and less strainous in use. The MultiTalent vibrates quite a lot. That and being underpowered made me choose to sell it instead of thinking it too would fit in a SYS with the rest of the Fein gear. I have a Metabo 18V multicutter which is decent compared to the Supercut and does the job a lot better than the Multitalent both for power and vibration.  If you don't have any multicutter and only have limited use for one then the MultiTalent is an "ok" machine. I am spoiled by my Supercuts performance so I am not that impressed though.

The recent MultiMaster machines seem to be significantly vibration reduced I have heard but I have only tried a "dry run" with them. They seem very nice and that is why I ordered the MultiTalent unseen. I was a little underwhelmed by it. I don't use multicutters as much as I used to due to a slight shift in profession but they are still an essential part of my kit.

« Last Edit: May 01, 2017, 03:36 AM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2017, 03:53 AM »
Edited the above post with some conclusions on the versatility of the kit.

In hindsight I have arrived to the conclusion that I am still a gear head and probably always will be.  [big grin]

The only "regret" that I have is that I repurchased a T18 recently. Considering the T18 and the BHC18 are currently the only Festool 18V machines I have, I could very well do without them.  Great drills, for sure, but I have an even better drill in my Mafell A18m bl and the Mafell is compatible with my other Mafell and Metabo 18V gear which now encompasses all my sawing and drilling needs on the job site.

Sometimes it takes a full circle to arrive at a conclusion. For me it takes up to two full laps and a relapse.  [big grin]
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline yetihunter

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2017, 10:51 PM »
You also have the 18V Mafell?   I am so Jelly.

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2017, 01:58 PM »
...you should be - it is a superb machine. ;)

VERY powerful so pretty much everything large is driven - easily - in second gear and the impuls function is great to have too. I have been swinging it all week building decks with the 3,1LiHD batteries. I have a Metabo impact but only needed to pull it out when my colleague snatched the Mafell. The Impact is great for those moments where wrist torque is a risk though. Great combo. :)

Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline yetihunter

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #48 on: May 09, 2017, 08:37 PM »
North American dudes on the Mafell Users Forum seem satisfied with the Metabo branded version it's built upon.
I'm all like, "nah, man, it ain't red."

I've got a feeling it's also improved in many other areas.

Alas, I'm completely satisfied with my T18 and PDC.   Every time I get drill envy (Fein, Mafell, Metabo),
I remember that I'm the one guy that loooooves the electronic clutch.   

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2017, 02:29 AM »
Metabo vs Mafell drill? I can answer that with personal experience. The differences is that Mafell has tweaked the motor, through programming the electronically controlled torque curve as I understand it. One difference in favor of Mafell is that the Metabo drill makes a droning beepy sound when driving screws, same as say many other drills do.

The Mafell drill is silent. I don't know how they did that but it is very welcome. Driving screws inside a cabinet that droning beepy motor sound isn't very nice. The Panasonic drills are even worse. Hate that sound.

It has a different belt clip which I find better. In use they feel the same though. There is otherwise no quality difference.

As for batteries the Mafell ships with the older 5,2Ah batteries. They are very good batteries. The new Metabo 5,5 LiHD batteries are even better so I have replaced most of my 5,2Ah batteries.

My understanding is that from later on this year Mafell saws and drills will ship with LiHD batteries. I replaced my Mafell KSS 40M batteries with the 5,5LiHD batteries from Metabo.

I only use Metabo 3,1 LiHD batteries for the Mafell drill, Metabo hammer drill, jigsaw and Multicutter. They are super and very lightweight. The Metabo sticker in front peels right off and the color scheme is black and red so actually looks perfect on the Mafell drill.  :)

Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Tinker

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Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2017, 07:22 AM »
@Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits
Henrik,
I was just reviewing some of the rpies to this thread.  Way back in Reply #41, you showed pics of three drills including the CXS. I have the CXS with all of the  hucks including the offset. With carpel tunnel problems I find that chuck is easier for me to use than the angle chuck in most situations where the choice to save space is needed. does the Fin drill have an offset chuck such as Festoy.

I also have an old CD 12 Festoy with all of the chucks. The straight chuck will fit on my CXS but the angle and offset do not.
Tinker
Wayne H. Tinker

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2017, 10:30 AM »
Tinker; I am not sure I follow you. The CXS does not have an off set chuck. Do you mean the right angle chuck - especially since you mention working in limited space.

If so, Fein is due to release that right angle chuck this summer.

There is not one available at the moment but the Fein rep has been showing the sales rep pictures of the right angle chuck and has confirmed it. Fein will freshen up their 18V line up this year with new machines and new specialty chucks. All chucks will be compatible with the 12V Fein. 

I think in one or two weeks time there will be more info as there seems to be a large trade fair in Germany and both the info on the new chucks and the new line up has been floating around some time.

I did get the new bit chuck, the 1/2" chuck and the Fein 12V drill chuck is the new fit and style too. For people working metal there is a tap chuck that seems very nice too and there is a tapping kit available for the Fein 12V and presumably the new 18V line up.

According to the sales rep the right angle chuck seems really solid.
Things are looking good. :)

As an update we are mid way through a large deck build and the Fein ASCM12C gets very high praise from my colleague. The little Fein Impact does a good job too. The 2,5Ah batteries are zipped through two to three in a day in continuous use but they charge faster than we deplete them so with the three batteries and one/two drills in action there is always one fresh off the charger to grab.

I would really like a 5Ah battery though. The 2,5Ah weighs like a mock up / toy so a battery twice the size and weight would still be a very small and light weight battery so I hope they will have one soon. It would not compromise the ergonomics on this little beauty. 

Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: New Fein 2015 models
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2017, 01:20 PM »
Fein has now officially announced the new 18V line up and they seem to start shipping in July this year.

There are some very interesting options, including multivoltage machines that run on both the 12V and 18V battery.

I started a thread on this topic in the same sub forum.

Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.