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Offline neeleman

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New Fein SuperCut
« on: January 07, 2016, 05:39 PM »
There are now pictures of the new Fein SuperCut 500 W multitool: FSC 500 QSL.
It will be available in Europe in April 2016.
I'm waiting for the battery powered new SuperCut or Vecturo.
And it comes with the new Starlock system for the blades.
This new system is developed together with Bosch and will be the new standard for multitools (like SDS).

« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 06:19 PM by neeleman »
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Offline Alex

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2016, 06:07 PM »
Starlock, Starlock Plus, and Starlock Max.

OK, now I'm wondering, if this is going to be the standard, why make three variations?

Why not one and the same for all? I think this is very odd.

Offline neeleman

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2016, 06:19 PM »
Indeed that's kind of weird.
But it has to do with downward compatibility with older machines.
First blade is for Bosch, second is for Fein MM and the last is for the newer machines or with the new adapter.
With Starlock you don't need any tool to attach the blade.
Have a look at this video and you'll understand.
https://video.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xft1/v/t42.1790-2/12213792_780027638792992_1766194820_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjQ3NSwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoic2QifQ%3D%3D&rl=475&vabr=264&oh=00125c005daacb813e9e1ef820288da1&oe=569185A6
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 06:22 PM by neeleman »
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Offline joiner1970

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2016, 06:50 PM »
Why waste time and money designing another new blade system lol. Theres not a lot wrong with the existing quick change, apart from some people say they can easily lose the pin.

Trouble is the 350 multimaster is so good that they've probably had to add new gizmos like this to the supercut otherwise they won't sell many.

Just guessing

Offline bryan1982

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2016, 01:48 AM »
Indeed that's kind of weird.
But it has to do with downward compatibility with older machines.
First blade is for Bosch, second is for Fein MM and the last is for the newer machines or with the new adapter.
With Starlock you don't need any tool to attach the blade.
Have a look at this video and you'll understand.
https://video.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xft1/v/t42.1790-2/12213792_780027638792992_1766194820_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjQ3NSwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoic2QifQ%3D%3D&rl=475&vabr=264&oh=00125c005daacb813e9e1ef820288da1&oe=569185A6

That blade change is awesome

I will be waiting for supercut  cordless or the festool  cordless.

But I doubt festool will get the new anti vibration head on it.

The feint look awesome 

Cheers

Bryan


Offline Magpal

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2017, 08:20 AM »
Has anyone seen these in the stores? It is also listed in the 2017 catalog, but I can not find any of the larger stores stocking these.

Offline Getmaverick

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2017, 05:09 PM »
I have a 250 that's the Terminator. It just won't die!

Offline yetihunter

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2017, 07:28 PM »
Has anyone seen these in the stores? It is also listed in the 2017 catalog, but I can not find any of the larger stores stocking these.

The cordless version has been available from some online retailers in the states.
The corded version has been bumped to May 1st, June 1st, and "arriving soon"
for the various sets.  The local dealers have gotten orders in, recently: no new supercuts, but they have replenished stock of the previous model....

Offline JimD

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2017, 08:57 PM »
I got the pre starlock version of the supercut for Christmas.  It was significantly cheaper and cuts the same.  It works with the Bosch starlock blades I got at the same time and older blades I have.  I am very happy with it.  Very different tool from the HR and Ryobi cordless I had first.  More powerful, less vibration and cuts much quicker.

Offline Gregor

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2017, 07:15 AM »
That blade change is awesome

I will be waiting for ... the festool  cordless ... (with) the new anti vibration head on it.
Fixed that slightly so it applies to me  [wink]

Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2017, 03:28 PM »
It will be interesting to see the new Supercut considering how pleased I am with my corded Supercut FSC2.0 which the Vecturo is based on.

I did try the MultiTalent 12V but I think it vibrates _significantly_ more than the Supercut and lacked cut capacity in comparison. I decided to stick with the Supercut. I have 70+ blades and a Fein Starlock adapter for it so I might never
get to upgrade my machine - I just can't wear it out.

The three Starlock options are for compatibility/machine power rating and the Starlock Max only fits Supercut.
Supercut can take all three and the lower rated machines are limited to Starlock and Starlock Plus.  AFAIK.
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Offline pettyconstruction

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New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2017, 06:48 PM »
I had a look at the new star lock fein and I  really like the concept.

The supercut I have is kinda a Houdini/balance act to get the blade in but the new version is to just push down and it snaps I .
I like it but won't trade up/down for the new system. Mine works just fine.(fein)

What kinda tics me off is I can't as readily find the super cut blades and have to use the adapter to use the multi blade version.

Oh and the new MM is real quiet.
If your looking for A new MM, the starlock is one I would recommend a closer peek.
Charlie


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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2017, 02:58 PM »
Charlie: Vecturo blades fit the older Supercut and are readily available at pretty much all Festool dealers.
Maybe not the best bang for the buck.

Or, you can get the official Fein Starlock adapter for the old Supercut and give it a new life with all the new Starlock blades. The adapter fits and works really well. Mind you I think it only works with the Quick change Supercut.
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Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2017, 10:58 PM »
Charlie: Vecturo blades fit the older Supercut and are readily available at pretty much all Festool dealers.
Maybe not the best bang for the buck.

Or, you can get the official Fein Starlock adapter for the old Supercut and give it a new life with all the new Starlock blades. The adapter fits and works really well. Mind you I think it only works with the Quick change Supercut.
Yep they do, my comment was that the MM type blades are way more available around here ,and that's what I tend to pick up.
They work well,but I like not having to use the adapter.
Btw,the next blade "on deck" is a star lock blade.
Also I'm liking the Bosch blades,a bit cheaper also.
Charlie


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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2017, 04:57 PM »
Haven't tried the Bosch blades yet - I like the shape of some of them, that slightly curved shape that seems to allow for plunge cutting with more ease and less risk of skipping/skidding. They ought to be good quality too.

With my 70+ Supercut blade collection and me only wearing out approx five blades/year on average  I doubt I will ever get to (need to) try the Bosch blades out.  [unsure]
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Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline jdw101

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2017, 12:51 PM »
If this has been gone over elsewhere I apologize.  Other than cutting molding under doors for tile and cleaning out broken grout, what is the point of this tool?   I am a hobbiest so that might be where I don't get it.  I want to have one because people love it so much but what would a hobbiest do with it? 

Thanks for helping me with my ignorance, I so want to find a way to need another cool tool :)

Offline antss

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2017, 02:35 PM »
It has a ton of uses.  And given the number of manufacturers that jumped on the bandwagon after the patent expired folks must be buying and using them buy the boatloads.

Flooring guys use them to cut out for outlet boxes, registers and scraping residue from small areas.

It can be used for controlled/precise demolition.  My contractor just used one to carefully remove a piece of of vent blocking on an exterior wall.  It's also great for removing window trim.  With a vacuum in the other hand it makes for a neat way to cut out a section of drywall for access to a repair or to add a fixture.

Cabinet guys use them to trim baseboards for panels, cutting outlet boxes, access panels, trimming shims flush, and removing stretchers cleanly. It can be used as a delta sander and most have attachments for sanding molding profiles.

Tile guys use them too.  There are even diamond polishing pads made for them.

It's a quintessential all purpose tool.  But, like most it's not really the most efficient choice if you're going to be doing a task in a production setting day in and out.


Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2017, 01:54 PM »
antss gave a very good answer.

Those pesky cut outs you need to do when you are building/decking/installing etc and something needs to be cut "in place" , i.e. without removing anything to enable the cut.

I used the Fein extensively this week building an elevated deck "on the fly" with the architect and he kept adding and rethinking stuff a little every day. The multicutter enabled adjustments and cutouts on the spot to enable joining the deck to an old panel house, in places where no other cutting machine could have gone. It literally saved a couple of  hours this week.

Is it a "must have" tool? Mmm, maybe not. I would not want to be without it though.

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Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
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Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2017, 11:05 PM »
The list of things that it can't do would be smaller.
Any precise plunge cut is easy.
I have cut base trim to instal cabinets, pvc,copper pipe,Hardin siding, drywall etc.
The tool has made my life easier (remodeling)
Charlie
PS. I run through about 1-2 blades a week, kinda tough on em


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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2017, 03:36 PM »
Charlie: That would make you a frequent user for sure!
In that case sourcing long lasting blades "on the cheap" is a good idea. I can't remember the brand but maybe "Imperial Blades"? Think they used to make Supercut compatible blades that lasted quite long. The universal bimetal blades. I went through a few of them during a larger renovation and they were mid-price and lasted at least as long as the Fein original universal blades.

I hoarded blades during a period when I did run through 2-3 a week and bought some bulk whenever they showed up. One time I scored 50 Fein Supercut blades for $120. And next week another 25 original blades. Funny enough that the period where I was wearing out blades every week petered out and I was left with a grand total of 100+ blades. At the moment I still have too many to count.  [big grin] [unsure]
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DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline tazprime38

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2017, 07:53 PM »
Why is tgere not a backward compatibility adapter so old type blades can be used in the newer machines? Lots of us have many old type of blades and they are available cheaply in bulk from China (they do the job ) . If an adaptor was availsble then I would upgrade from my multimaster to a new low vibration supercut.

Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2017, 02:37 AM »
Hmm, are you sure there is no adapter?

I think the compatibility down range is there to the "old" OIS blades. I can check this afternoon.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline tazprime38

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2017, 06:07 PM »
Hmm, are you sure there is no adapter?

I think the compatibility down range is there to the "old" OIS blades. I can check this afternoon.

I cannot find an adapter for backward compatibility. Please do check.

I see Metabo have a new(?) Multitool that has led lights and what looks like (not sure) the new fein bosch starlock type of blade fixing and old style blade fixing. I only saw the video earlier so I msy be incorrect with my observations.

Offline antss

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2017, 06:27 PM »
No, there is no adapter to allow you to use old style Fein blades (or other manuf.) on the new Starlock system.   [sad]

But, that was the entire point of the new platform.  Fein was losing (or at last not gaining) sales because everyone and their brother is now selling tools and blades.  So, they cooked up this new blade design to wean folks of knockoff blades and back to buying their blades. 

Somehow, they were able to convince Bosch to go along for the ride with them.

And of course, their new blades are backwards compatible.  ::)

And..............it'll just be a matter of time before the knockoff guys produce blades for starlock.

Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2017, 10:32 AM »
Ah, yes, the BLADES on Starlock are backwards compatible with the OIS machines.
Now I remember...

I am not sure on the Starlock PLUS but the Starlock MAX are not backwards compatible from what I gather.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline antss

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2017, 10:54 AM »
PLUS blades are compatible on Fein's last generation tools, but I'm pretty sure they won't work on other makes.

MAX blades only work on the new platform.

Offline LJD

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2017, 01:14 PM »
Does this still use the old Bolt method to hold the blade?    so its not exactly "quick" .My dewalt is far quicker to swap blades and you wont lose the bolt !

Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2017, 01:31 PM »
LJD: no, no bolts. You just insert the blade under the machine with the lever open and then close the lever and the blade snaps firmly in place. Very solid. No loose bolts to be dropped and lost.

On my "old" Quick in Supercut I still have to keep track of the connecting bolt - though it isn't a biggie with the quick change. I could lose it though.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline LJD

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Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2017, 12:59 PM »
Ok , cheers for that !

Re: New Fein SuperCut
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2017, 01:17 PM »
Hmm, are you sure there is no adapter?

I think the compatibility down range is there to the "old" OIS blades. I can check this afternoon.

I cannot find an adapter for backward compatibility. Please do check.

I see Metabo have a new(?) Multitool that has led lights and what looks like (not sure) the new fein bosch starlock type of blade fixing and old style blade fixing. I only saw the video earlier so I msy be incorrect with my observations.

I am using that Metabo 18V multicutter which is an OIS machine - it has an adapter for Supercut/Vecturo blades which is very simple and does the job well. Since I have mostly Supercut blades I am using them on the Metabo.

I was surprised to find that they shipped the machine with an adapter for Supercut blades - but it is very welcome indeed.  The adapter does not fit other machines AFAIK though.

The Metabo machine is a very good multicutter. The on/off switch is VERY stiff but it might have to do with the vibration of the tool (keeping it from accidentally shutting off). The vibration level is not too bad. 
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

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