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Offline bobreed2010

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NEW K3 OWNER OBSERVATIONS
« on: May 15, 2017, 05:37 PM »

**NOTE I am writing this ongoing analysis so that others in my situation get a balanced report of the K3. When I did my research, all I read were glowing reviews and I now believe that's not the case for everyone. Certainly not for me at this time.


After much research, I sold my General 350 cabinet saw of 25 years and got a new Hammer K3.

After Day 1, I absolutely hate it!!!! I hate almost everything about the K3.

But as others stated, I'll give it some time to get used to it.

It's almost the same as when I was working in Indonesia as a Flight Instructor and the first time I drove a right handed car. Not only is the steering wheel on the wrong side, everything, including the gearshift is backwards.
For the first month, every time I turned a corner - the wiper blades were going ( turn signals & wipers are reversed). But I eventually got used to it. Then 7 months later when I returned to the USA, I had trouble driving here for the first few days. Ha ha ha.

I'll report more in 2 weeks. Bob Reed

End of week #1 is below.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2017, 04:50 PM by bobreed2010 »

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Offline RussellS

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Re: NEW K3 OWNER OBSERVATIONS
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2017, 09:35 PM »
Please give some details on exactly which Hammer K3 you purchased.  And some of the reasons why you do not like it yet.  I know some things can change after time so the reasons now may not be valid in the future.

Offline egmiii

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Re: NEW K3 OWNER OBSERVATIONS
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 09:38 PM »
Please give some details on exactly which Hammer K3 you purchased.  And some of the reasons why you do not like it yet.  I know some things can change after time so the reasons now may not be valid in the future.

I'd really appreciate hearing your initial impressions as well, even if they change in two weeks.

Offline Nick561

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Re: NEW K3 OWNER OBSERVATIONS
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2017, 02:35 AM »
I too bought a slider and just can't get used to it.  It's a great machine but I miss my cabinet saw. Any one want to buy a scmi cu300?   Lmk

Offline Poindexter

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Re: NEW K3 OWNER OBSERVATIONS
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2017, 06:47 AM »
After much research, I sold my General 350 cabinet saw of 25 years and got a new Hammer K3.  After Day 1, I absolutely hate it!!!! I hate everything about the K3.

It's almost like, 2 years ago, I was working in Indonesia and the first time I drove a right handed car. Not only is the steering wheel on the wrong side, everything, including the gearshift is backwards. But I eventually got used to it. Then 7 months later when I returned to the USA, I had trouble driving here for the first few days. Ha ha ha.

Well.....duh.

After 25 years you've completely altered the main tool in the woodshop.  Yeah, day 1 is hard.  So duh.

Good metaphor though :)

Offline bobreed2010

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Re: NEW K3 OWNER OBSERVATIONS
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2017, 03:51 PM »
Most of my life I have been a hobby woodworker. And the overarching lesson learned from my Dad was "Always buy the best equipment".

All of my equipment is name brand American, except for a few Bridgewood pieces. Wilke Machinery, here in my hometown of York, PA, brought their branded (Taiwanese-made machinery) to market. I knew the Wilke family personally and after my first purchase, I was pleased - then and now - with the quality of Bridgewood. I bought a used 8" Bridgewood jointer last year.

While the Hammer K3 I bought - the 79 x 48 - was a relatively expensive machine by cabinet saw standards, I now think of it as the "Grizzly" of the European line of sliding table saws. It's ok, but they cut some corners.

The base machine and sliding table  function as I would have expected.

BUT, the extension tables and fence system strike me as a poor design - especially when compared to the Biesemeyer system. Here's why:

1. The [2] extension tables are sheet metal and bolted together in a cantilever design. They can't help but sag a little. There is NO solid support running the full length left to right as in the 3x3 angle of the Biesemeyer.
2. The fence is a tube type and hangs off the front with 7/16" bolts - again a cantilever design.
3. So the far front right - is a cantilever supported by a cantilever fence rail. Ha ha ha.
4. What I hate most is the tape measure system. Housed in an aluminum extrusion, it slides over 4 bolts and nuts in the front of the extension tables. A 5th point to secure the tape measure is a vertical bolt and nut thru an integral "L" bracket - that is part of the main fence assembly - at around the 3" mark on the tape.
To adjust the tape measure, I have to crawl under the tables, loosen [4] 10mm bolts and loosen the 5th bolt at the 3" mark. Slide the extrusion to the correct point and crawl under the tables again and tighten the [4] bolts.
While it may not sound like much while reading here. It's a far cry from the Biesemeyer where you loosen 2 screws on top and slide the hairline pointer.

5. My other problem is assembly and alignment of the tables and fence.

      a.   The L-shaped bracket that holds the tape measure extrusion (near the 3” mark) has NO vertical adjustment. The extrusion simply moves up and down with the main fence rail.
      b.   If the fence rail is set at the high point in relation to the table top, the tape measure extrusion is proud of the tabletop & rubs the fence, as well as, creating a bump between the table and extrusion where material hits if you back up.
      c.   If the fence rail is moved down to a lower point where the rubbing in #b stops, the rail is too low & the fence now rubs the table in front and rises up in the back. The fence assembly does not slide smoothly because of dragging on the table in front.
      d.   There is NO middle point where everything works as it should - which is very frustrating.
      e.   The setup manual Felder sent me shows a different fence and fence rail than what was shipped with my saw.

6. Convert ALL the accessory dimensions to English BEFORE you buy. The crosscut fence extension is 2050mm maximum. I
never did the conversion or I would know that is 80". And as it happens, I postponed 3 projects so I could use the crosscut function of the K3. 1st project is 3 tall display cases. Sides are 81" so I screwed myself there. 2nd is a tall vanity of 84". Screwed again.

****After I wrote this, I did some research and found that Alan Little of Very Super Cool Tools makes a T-Square Fence designed for a Euro Sliding Tablesaw. I already own a VSC fence on my dado-only table saw and can attest to the superior quality of Alan's products. He also has a modification so you can make the extrusion adjustable front and back like the Felder. This is the perfect solution for me - except for spending another $500 to replace parts on a brand new saw. That aspect sucks! ****

https://vsctools.com/shop/product-category/table-saw-fence/

Sincerely, Bob Reed
« Last Edit: May 21, 2017, 05:10 PM by bobreed2010 »