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Offline Gerald_D

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New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« on: November 03, 2016, 05:09 PM »
I realize these are new and maybe not a lot of them in shops yet, but just curious if anyone has one in service, or has seen one at their dealer, or considered purchasing over another vendor (Oneida, ClearView, etc).  They look nice and have nice features, but most importantly- how do they perform?  Any help appreciated.

My potential use would be for 3 machines- table saw, 18" bandsaw, and 15" planer.

Thanks All!

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Gerald
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Offline RobBob

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2016, 05:18 PM »
I bought the new P|Flux:3 HEPA 3hp version while they were on sale for 10% off at Woodcraft, but have not put it together yet.  Just had the garage wired with 220 and 110 outlets this week. 

I chose it because it was HEPA, mobile, and not too tall for my garage.  The HEPA versions have sound insulation (egg crate foam, I think) inside the enclosure.

Some people claim that dust collectors with the shorter cyclones do not separate as well as the longer cyclones.  However, Laguna claims to have tweaked their design to compensate for the shorter cyclone.

That's about all I know so far.
Laguna P|Flux:3
« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 05:51 PM by RobBob »

Offline Max Fracas

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2016, 05:32 PM »
@RobBob

Please hurry up and get it into operation!  I'm also interested in one of these and would value your thoughts. 

Offline Xoncention

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2016, 05:48 PM »
@RobBob

Please hurry up and get it into operation!  I'm also interested in one of these and would value your thoughts. 
The sensors monitoring the status of the filter and the drum is a nice idea.

Offline Gerald_D

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2016, 05:49 PM »
Thanks @RobBob - that's actually the same model I'm looking at.  If you get it together, I would love to hear your feedback.

I talked to my local dealer- he said that he would bring one into stock for me and, if I didn't like it, he would just put it on the showroom floor.  I might have to take him up on that.

Gerald
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Offline Huxleywood

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2016, 05:58 PM »
The salient issue with these and ones like them is that the short cyclone will have lower seperation percentages than the (correctly designed) taller cyclones.  IF you have the room for a taller cyclone they are a better option.

Offline antss

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2016, 06:37 PM »
Laguna altered the laws of physics ? [eek]

All they altered was their sales pitch I suspect.    [crying]

Offline Xoncention

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2016, 06:57 PM »
Laguna altered the laws of physics ? [eek]

The length of the cyclone can be shortened if the diameter is increased.  You can also angle the intake to alter the characteristics of the vortex.  You can also incorporate spiral separators.  Stokes law caters for these elements.

Offline RKA

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2016, 07:36 PM »
Add me to the list interested in feedback on these.  I would like to limit to 3hp and have limited vertical space in my basement which rules out the clearvue.
-Raj

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2016, 07:53 PM »
I talked to Bill Pentz 2 years ago about the short design, big fail with his testing. They all collect chips its what they miss and the resulting maintenance that are the concern. BS marketing is alive and well.

John

Offline RobBob

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2016, 08:40 PM »
I would take Bill Pentz and his website with a grain of salt if I were you.

Here is what Laguna says about their new dust collectors.  Time will tell how good or bad they really are.  Early reports are very positive.

"Airflow has been improved by the exclusive use of a single horizontal chute that allows air to freely flow into the canister.

The shape of the cyclone torso along with the inlet & exit vane placement have all been changed to create superior separation.

The build quality is second to none, high-end components throughout, world class fit & finish that you have come to expect from Laguna."


« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 09:14 PM by RobBob »

Offline Huxleywood

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2016, 09:55 PM »
Laguna altered the laws of physics ? [eek]

The length of the cyclone can be shortened if the diameter is increased.  You can also angle the intake to alter the characteristics of the vortex.  You can also incorporate spiral separators.  Stokes law caters for these elements.

I think it is the opposite, The optimum efficiency of a seperation (solid/gas) cyclone is found when X is the diameter of the intake barrel and the height of both the intake barrel and height of the cone are both 2X and the air outlet is 1/2X in diameter.  So every inch increase of barrel diameter require a 4 inch increase in overall height to remain the optimum shape. 

Offline Xoncention

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2016, 10:16 PM »
Laguna altered the laws of physics ? [eek]

The length of the cyclone can be shortened if the diameter is increased.  You can also angle the intake to alter the characteristics of the vortex.  You can also incorporate spiral separators.  Stokes law caters for these elements.

I think it is the opposite, The optimum efficiency of a seperation (solid/gas) cyclone is found when X is the diameter of the intake barrel and the height of both the intake barrel and height of the cone are both 2X and the air outlet is 1/2X in diameter.  So every inch increase of barrel diameter require a 4 inch increase in overall height to remain the optimum shape. 
I thought the object was to slow the speed of the air down so that the heavier particles lost their inertia and gravity took over?  We are not trying to create thrust from the air flow.  The balance between centripetal and centrifugal is the point where gravity brings about separation.  There are dust collection buckets out there that operate without a cyclone, they are just prone to blockage as the out feed side has a gauze filter that gets blocked quickly.  You can change the shape of a venturi to give the optimal air flow and particle separation.  You can also use gate valves to vary the air flow and change the separation point in the system, depending on the mass of the particles being processed.

Offline Huxleywood

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2016, 10:46 PM »
Laguna altered the laws of physics ? [eek]

The length of the cyclone can be shortened if the diameter is increased.  You can also angle the intake to alter the characteristics of the vortex.  You can also incorporate spiral separators.  Stokes law caters for these elements.

I think it is the opposite, The optimum efficiency of a seperation (solid/gas) cyclone is found when X is the diameter of the intake barrel and the height of both the intake barrel and height of the cone are both 2X and the air outlet is 1/2X in diameter.  So every inch increase of barrel diameter require a 4 inch increase in overall height to remain the optimum shape. 
I thought the object was to slow the speed of the air down so that the heavier particles lost their inertia and gravity took over?  We are not trying to create thrust from the air flow.  The balance between centripetal and centrifugal is the point where gravity brings about separation.  There are dust collection buckets out there that operate without a cyclone, they are just prone to blockage as the out feed side has a gauze filter that gets blocked quickly.  You can change the shape of a venturi to give the optimal air flow and particle separation.  You can also use gate valves to vary the air flow and change the separation point in the system, depending on the mass of the particles being processed.

I'll leave the fluid dynamics explanation to those that know more than show to spell it.  My experience is based on the textbook version of dust seperation design, that you see carried out in industrial and smaller commercial scale cyclones like Torit.  If your interpretation of the raltionship between height and diameter were correct you would see at least some short fat cyclones in industry.  Dust seperation cyclones, despite being realtively new to hobby/small shop woodworker is a very mature industry with over 100 years of refinement so there is likely little room for eficiency increase with the R&D budget of companies like Laguna, save some world changing light bulb moment that would be worth a fortune in the industrial world.  I am not saying Laguna has not increased their seperation efficiency, they indeed may have, but it is hard to imagine they have a short cyclone with seperation as high as the well designed taller cyclones.  Now, it should be noted that all the decent cyclones we have for our shops are fighting for the last few percent of seperation which depending on the machines you are collecting from may only make a small difference in filter packing if it is mainly chips or a huge difference in material past the cyclone if one does a lot of sanding. 

This is simply and area where all other things equal taller is almost always better.  However, many people do not have the vertical space to house a taller cyclone or they need it to be easily mobile, in those cases the squat cyclones makes sense. 

While not a complete explanation and deviod of engineering speak one has to remember the most dangerous particles do not fall out of suspension even in zero flow air so even if you drop the effective rate of air travel to near zero they will stay in suspension, of course this is part of the reason that when particle size gets small enough seperation is near zero even with the best designed cyclones.

Offline RobBob

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2016, 10:54 PM »
Lol.  I am sure the amount of separation will be just fine for my hobby workshop.

Offline Huxleywood

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2016, 11:23 PM »
Lol.  I am sure the amount of separation will be just fine for my hobby workshop.

I know the seperation stuff sounds like some Shakespeare Macbeth sound and fury but it is just as important in a small shop as in industry.  Lower seperation means higher filter loading, higher filter loading means more frequent filter replacement to keep good air volume.  While cleaning apparatus will help with this the smaller fines nest deep in the filter and are not stripped with the mechnical cleaners.  In the end we all must live with budget and space requirements, if one of both preclude a better cyclone so be it, but if space and budget allow, one will be better off in the long run, on several accounts (including likely cost), if they choose one of the better hobby level cyclones like Oneida or Clearvue. 

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2016, 06:13 AM »
I would take Bill Pentz and his website with a grain of salt if I were you.

Here is what Laguna says about their new dust collectors.  Time will tell how good or bad they really are.  Early reports are very positive.

"Airflow has been improved by the exclusive use of a single horizontal chute that allows air to freely flow into the canister.

The shape of the cyclone torso along with the inlet & exit vane placement have all been changed to create superior separation.

The build quality is second to none, high-end components throughout, world class fit & finish that you have come to expect from Laguna."


Your their perfect customer, you believe their marketing and not proper design and mechanics of airflow to get optimum separation. But you are right it will work in your hobby workshop just not in any real world applications. Your also right about Bill and his team, all the thousands of hours testing in real world situations isn't very practical or important. Marketing BS really does baffle brains.

John
« Last Edit: November 04, 2016, 07:36 AM by kcufstoidi »

Offline Gregor

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2016, 06:51 AM »
[...]one has to remember the most dangerous particles do not fall out of suspension even in zero flow air so even if you drop the effective rate of air travel to near zero they will stay in suspension, of course this is part of the reason that when particle size gets small enough seperation is near zero even with the best designed cyclones.
Combine this with filters that let the ultra fine particles pass and you're ready to have a health problem...

Offline Holmz

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2016, 07:40 AM »
...
I thought the object was to slow the speed of the air down so that the heavier particles lost their inertia and gravity took over? 
...

Or it works like a centrifuge in a blood lab(??)
The blood never seperates from gravity, but in a centrifuge it seems to hpgo to plasma and solids pretty quick.

As long as the Laguna is not prone to a student attack, then one should be ok.
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Offline RKA

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2016, 07:43 AM »
Aside from the cyclone design, laguna's 3hp hepa cyclone is advertised as being within 10% if the airflow of the 5hp clearvue (both have impellers almost equal in size), however the hepa filter surface area is 1/3 of the clearvue.  To me (the layman) that suggests either the laguna doesn't move as much air as they claim or the filter will require much more frequent replacement (or both).
-Raj

Offline RobBob

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2016, 10:02 AM »

I would take Bill Pentz and his website with a grain of salt if I were you.

Here is what Laguna says about their new dust collectors.  Time will tell how good or bad they really are.  Early reports are very positive.

"Airflow has been improved by the exclusive use of a single horizontal chute that allows air to freely flow into the canister.

The shape of the cyclone torso along with the inlet & exit vane placement have all been changed to create superior separation.

The build quality is second to none, high-end components throughout, world class fit & finish that you have come to expect from Laguna."


Your their perfect customer, you believe their marketing and not proper design and mechanics of airflow to get optimum separation. But you are right it will work in your hobby workshop just not in any real world applications. Your also right about Bill and his team, all the thousands of hours testing in real world situations isn't very practical or important. Marketing BS really does baffle brains.

John

@kcufstoidi And you are Clear Vue's perfect customer.  You drank the "Bill and his team" Kool-Aid.  Any dust collector not designed by Bill Pentz will cause heath problems and kill you.

Sorry my post ruffled your feathers. 

Did you read what I wrote above in reply #1?  I have not said that I believe anything.  Have not even put it together yet.

The Laguna P-flux is the only dust collector that had all the features I was looking for.  Simple as that.

My only point in quoting Laguna was to show that they have tried to tweak their design to compensate for the short cyclone.  They have not claimed that it is the equal to an optimized longer cyclone or anything else.  Their only claim is that it is an improvement from their old model.

Many people have been perfectly happy and healthy for years with the $200 Harbor Freight dust collectors, not to mention all the other dust collectors, including single stage units with non-HEPA filters that have been in use for years. 

« Last Edit: November 04, 2016, 12:09 PM by RobBob »

Offline Xoncention

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2016, 10:22 AM »
...
I thought the object was to slow the speed of the air down so that the heavier particles lost their inertia and gravity took over? 
...

Or it works like a centrifuge in a blood lab(??)
The blood never seperates from gravity, but in a centrifuge it seems to hpgo to plasma and solids pretty quick.

As long as the Laguna is not prone to a student attack, then one should be ok.
::) I guess the size of the screens in the centrifuge governs the separation that occurs in the plasma.  You are forcing a liquid made up of different constitutional elements with the goal of separation and reintegration after the filtering process has occurred.  Gravity has a limited affect in a closed compressed loop.  Unless there is an ionization there is no effective reactive to permit separation.

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2016, 01:18 PM »

I would take Bill Pentz and his website with a grain of salt if I were you.

Here is what Laguna says about their new dust collectors.  Time will tell how good or bad they really are.  Early reports are very positive.

"Airflow has been improved by the exclusive use of a single horizontal chute that allows air to freely flow into the canister.

The shape of the cyclone torso along with the inlet & exit vane placement have all been changed to create superior separation.

The build quality is second to none, high-end components throughout, world class fit & finish that you have come to expect from Laguna."


Your their perfect customer, you believe their marketing and not proper design and mechanics of airflow to get optimum separation. But you are right it will work in your hobby workshop just not in any real world applications. Your also right about Bill and his team, all the thousands of hours testing in real world situations isn't very practical or important. Marketing BS really does baffle brains.

John

@kcufstoidi And you are Clear Vue's perfect customer.  You drank the "Bill and his team" Kool-Aid.  Any dust collector not designed by Bill Pentz will cause heath problems and kill you.

Sorry my post ruffled your feathers. 

Did you read what I wrote above in reply #1?  I have not said that I believe anything.  Have not even put it together yet.

The Laguna P-flux is the only dust collector that had all the features I was looking for.  Simple as that.

My only point in quoting Laguna was to show that they have tried to tweak their design to compensate for the short cyclone.  They have not claimed that it is the equal to an optimized longer cyclone or anything else.  Their only claim is that it is an improvement from their old model.

Many people have been perfectly happy and healthy for years with the $200 Harbor Freight dust collectors, not to mention all the other dust collectors, including single stage units with non-HEPA filters that have been in use for years.

Yeah people still smoke heavily and drink to excess also say it doesn't cause health problems. That also why there are industry solutions to dust control and regulations that have to be followed, why because there is a problem. So what actual part of the research do you want me to take with a grain of salt? I have read a lot of Bill's research and discussed it with him personally, also have some friends that have health issues related to wood dust so yeh I take it seriously unlike others. If you have taken any time to do the research you would find that there are many DC's that Bill tested and worked great not just his own. If thats drinking the Pentz coolaid so be it. That doesn't take away the fact that the short cone seperators are a mediocre design no matter what sunshine they blow up your butt. Just for the record I did own a Clearvue CV1800 years ago, but now run a Felder RL160 which isn't based on any cyclone design. Enjoy your woodworking.

John

Offline grbmds

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2016, 01:50 PM »
I'm not sure most of this helps the guy who originally posted the question. I know that I don't understand completely the relationships between cyclone height, CFM, static pressure, etc. I do know that, by experience, if I have the space, I would always choose a standard cyclone for the best possible efficiency of collection.

Will the Lagun work for a non-production shop. Probably. The Oneida Dust Gorilla will most likely work also in the same scenario. Given that the machines from which dust will be collected are heavy duty dust/chip producers, I'd go for a more standard, stationary type cyclone. If space and electrical connections are issues, then the roll-around is a good option as long as only 1 machine is connected and being collected from at a time.

I would compare the stated HEPA filtration between the various collectors and manufacturers. I might be mistaken, but Oneida's HEPA filters filter a step above the standard HEPA specs. This might not seem like much, but it's that fine dust which is the real problem for health and the more of it that can be collected at the source, the better. Compare all the possibilities and some will drop out immediately as too expensive, won't fit in the shop, or aren't meant for exactly how you want to use it.

As I said, if you're only collecting from one machine at a time, like most of us who are part-time woodworkers, then the range of acceptable HEPA cyclone collectors increases significantly these days. I know some people appear to have had bad experiences with Oneida but I never have and I have found their equipment to be the best. I bought one of their first cyclones with an internal filter a couple of years after they started in business and it was amazing for its time. I recently upgraded to a V1500 and it is also amazing with much better filtration than my old one.

I do like the Laguna concept and the portability if that is what you are looking for.
Randy

Offline Gerald_D

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2016, 04:53 PM »
Thanks @grbmds - Yeah, some of the replies are a little more in depth than I was looking for but appreciate the help.

I'm not necessarily looking for portability- in fact, if I got the Laguna I would possibly attempt to use without the casters.  I have a dedicated spot and circuit for the dust collector in my new shop and planned on running duct work to the three machines.  Height is not a concern either as my ceiling is 10+ feet (almost 11').  My dealer carries both Oneida and Laguna- I had been looking at a V3000 and he mentioned that he saw the Laguna units at IWF in Atlanta and thought that might be a good option since they are free freight and Oneida is not.  Both are HEPA and both somewhat quiet at around 76dB.  I like the 'handle' lift mechanism on the Laguna for the chip barrel but I will not sacrifice convenience for air quality.  Laguna makes some strong claims in this area and I was just curious if anyone had evidence of that themselves.  I'm naturally skeptical and that's why I don't buy much online or what a company claims.

I'd welcome any experience folks have had with the V3000 Oneida as well.

Regards,
Gerald
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Offline RobBob

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2016, 05:43 PM »
I just had a bad experience with Oneida involving a Deluxe Dust Deputy.  The gray hose that came in the kit does not fit the cyclone.  Their hose does not fit their cyclone without adapters.

It took me a week with six calls and ten emails to finally get them to send me the adapters needed to use their hose on their cyclone.  They even made me send pictures and take measurements.


Offline grbmds

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2016, 06:07 PM »
Thanks @grbmds - Yeah, some of the replies are a little more in depth than I was looking for but appreciate the help.

I'm not necessarily looking for portability- in fact, if I got the Laguna I would possibly attempt to use without the casters.  I have a dedicated spot and circuit for the dust collector in my new shop and planned on running duct work to the three machines.  Height is not a concern either as my ceiling is 10+ feet (almost 11').  My dealer carries both Oneida and Laguna- I had been looking at a V3000 and he mentioned that he saw the Laguna units at IWF in Atlanta and thought that might be a good option since they are free freight and Oneida is not.  Both are HEPA and both somewhat quiet at around 76dB.  I like the 'handle' lift mechanism on the Laguna for the chip barrel but I will not sacrifice convenience for air quality.  Laguna makes some strong claims in this area and I was just curious if anyone had evidence of that themselves.  I'm naturally skeptical and that's why I don't buy much online or what a company claims.

I'd welcome any experience folks have had with the V3000 Oneida as well.

Regards,
Gerald

Despite the last comment concerning the Dust Deputy, Oneida has produced very solid cyclone dust collectors for close to 25 years (maybe longer than that). I think the Dust Deputy was a venture into a product line that they shouldn't have ventured into. Not sure why they did it; profit motive I suppose. I never thought that product was worth much. Their regular cyclones, on the other hand, are top notch. If you have the room and can wire (or are wired for 220V), the 3000 would be something you would never regret buying. I would tell you that their V series cyclones do give new meaning to the words "some assembly required". While the instructions are very good, the task is a little time-consuming and, while not really complicated, generated a little uncertainty for me while doing it. I only have the 1500, but it is extremely quiet, generating only an air movement noise from the flywheel rather than any motor noise. It is very effective and keeps the air clean. I use it for my jobsite saw, router table, 8" jointer, 13" planer, and my bandsaw. In all cases, the collection improved over the first one I bought 20 years ago. I didn't think that was possible.
Randy

Offline grbmds

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2016, 06:13 PM »
I just had a bad experience with Oneida involving a Deluxe Dust Deputy.  The gray hose that came in the kit does not fit the cyclone.  Their hose does not fit their cyclone without adapters.

It took me a week with six calls and ten emails to finally get them to send me the adapters needed to use their hose on their cyclone.  They even made me send pictures and take measurements.
@RobBob Just so you don't t think I ignored your comments. I think I have seen the most negative feedback about Oneida on the Dust Deputy products, especially the Deluxe. I actually bought one of those for my Fein vac. While I didn't have problems with it, it was just a pain as an add-on; in my way and, since I now don't use my Fein for too much except cleanup, I just stopped using the Deluxe. It was an innovative concept but seemed to cause them a lot of problems. They should support all their products equally and don't understand the lack of response. They've always been very responsive to e with both my dust collectors, even over the 20 years I owned the first one.
Randy

Offline RobBob

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2016, 06:57 PM »
Believe me, I looked at them all.  Clear Vue, Oneida, Penn State, Jet, Bailey and Laguna.  Even had a spreadsheet to make it easier to compare.  You know what?  I still think the Laguna is by far the best of the lot given the parameters I have to work with. 

I am not much of a believer in magazine tests, (Advertisers pay their salary) but...
Clear Vue was tested in Wood Magazine March 2014 page 74.
It pretty much failed their tests.  After they tested it, they stated it returned 20 times more dust than the Oneida tested the year before.

Read the whole thread from Sawmill Creek.  I think they fairly covered all the bases.  Note the mention of the Woodwhisperers review of the Clue Vue.  He preferred the Oneida.
Sawmill Creek - Clear Vue thread
« Last Edit: November 04, 2016, 08:29 PM by RobBob »

Offline clark_fork

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Re: New Laguna P-Flux Dust Collectors
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2016, 07:51 PM »
Believe me, I looked at them all.  Clear Vue, Oneida, Penn State, Jet, Bailey and Laguna.  Even had a spreadsheet to make it easier to compare.  You know what?  I still think the Laguna is by far the best of the lot given the parameters I have to work with. 

I am not much of a believer in magazine tests, (Advertisers pay their salary) but...
Clear Vue was tested in Wood Magazine March 2014 page 74.
It pretty much failed their tests.  After they tested it, they stated it returned 20 times more dust than the Oneida tested the year before.

Read the whole thread.  I think they fairly covered all the bases.  Note the mention of the Woodwhisperers review of the Clue Vue.  He preferred the Oneida.
Sawmill Creek - Clear Vue thread

Regarding price points,  why not consider those under $2,000, specifically  Jet ?:

http://www.woodcraft.com/product/421814/jet-cyclone-dust-collector-2hp.aspx

Are there any specific issues with these imports? They claim pleated bags down to 1mm etc.

On a practical side, why do they all claim to require two person assembly?
Clark Fork

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