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Offline Svar

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New Mafell 18V track saw
« on: November 08, 2017, 10:50 AM »
Mafell introduced new cordless track saw
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Offline blaszcsj

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2017, 12:36 PM »
curious it is only 18V vs all the competitors on the market being 36V or 60V saws.
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Offline JimH2

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2017, 02:46 PM »
curious it is only 18V vs all the competitors on the market being 36V or 60V saws.

Voltage is like processor speed on a computer. There are other variables in play so you just can't look at one single specification to make a determination as to good or bad.

Offline bobfog

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2017, 04:37 PM »
I have the 18v Milwaukee SDS that creates 4.3j of impact energy and performs better than most 36v SDS machines on the market.

Offline rizzoa13

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2017, 07:39 PM »
I have the 18v mafell tracksaw and it’s extremely powerful. I can’t compare it to the cordless ts55 but it has much more power than my older corded ts55.

The Metabo battery platform is also the best I’ve seen.

Offline blaszcsj

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2017, 11:56 PM »
curious it is only 18V vs all the competitors on the market being 36V or 60V saws.

Voltage is like processor speed on a computer. There are other variables in play so you just can't look at one single specification to make a determination as to good or bad.

I don't disagree. It's just interesting to see different methods at play. It would be cool to see runtime and power comparisons between the brands.
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Offline Womble

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2017, 02:56 AM »
There is an article online somewhere (you should be able to find it with a bit of googling) comparing & explaining the differences between Dewalts 36v & 56v batteries & Milwaukee's 18v 9.0ah batteries.

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2017, 03:01 AM »
curious it is only 18V vs all the competitors on the market being 36V or 60V saws.

Voltage is like processor speed on a computer. There are other variables in play so you just can't look at one single specification to make a determination as to good or bad.

I don't disagree. It's just interesting to see different methods at play. It would be cool to see runtime and power comparisons between the brands.

I for one, would love to see a comprehensive review of these newer battery powered tools.  Knowledge is power!  
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Offline fshanno

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 01:32 AM »
The first one to offer an AC adapter will have a leg up on the competition.
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Offline antss

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 08:14 AM »
DeWalt is already first out of the gate with their flexvolt system.  They just adapted their tracksaw to work on battery power.

That said, I don't think Festool or Mafell are quaking in their boots over the offering.

Offline JimH2

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 10:52 AM »
Agree that Festool and Mafell are working with an entirely different customer base with the exception of a few tools.

Offline antss

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2017, 08:53 PM »
Makita's new cordless tracksaw and kapex killer mitersaw (maybe  [unsure]) are now on the shelves just in time for Xmas.    It'll be interesting to see if they (or Milwaukee) come out with some sort of mains adapter to compete with DeWalt's system. 

Offline aloysius

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2017, 09:04 PM »
Makita's new cordless tracksaw and kapex killer mitersaw (maybe  [unsure]) are now on the shelves just in time for Xmas.    It'll be interesting to see if they (or Milwaukee) come out with some sort of mains adapter to compete with DeWalt's system.

I'm pretty sure Makita had a mains adapter about 20 years ago.  It obviously wasn't too successful (for reasons unknown) as it was relatively short-lived.  Another good idea obviously a few years too far ahead of its time.  Rothenberger also had one for their previous generation cordless plumbing tools too before they switched over to Metabo power.
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Offline Steven Owen

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2017, 11:08 PM »
It’s not the best marketing blurb by any means. They really don’t tell you much about the battery system at all.  Details on the battery are vauge.

Aside from the battery power, I can’t see much differences between the existing model. 

Offline rylim

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2017, 09:49 AM »
I wonder if the Mafell saw will work on Festool rail? There's no mention of Festool rail in the brochure  [sad]
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Offline antss

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2017, 12:01 PM »
Since Mafell is "borrowing" the battery platform from Metabo it makes sense not to put battery puffery out front in the marketing effort.  Besides, playing the "mine's bigger" game is not really their style.

The corded version works on a Festool rail , so I assume the battery version does too.

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2017, 12:58 PM »
Since Mafell is "borrowing" the battery platform from Metabo it makes sense not to put battery puffery out front in the marketing effort.  Besides, playing the "mine's bigger" game is not really their style.

The corded version works on a Festool rail , so I assume the battery version does too.

I’m not concerned with boasting about battery performance.  Minimally you want to know the number of board feet and working time to decide how many batteries are required to complete a tasks.

Makita has done the best job setting expectations for their cordless X2 platform.  You know what you’re going to get with an X2 system.  I can’t understand anyone not using 2 batteries on an 18 Volt system.  I can’t imagine getting much mileage from a single battery system. 

You’re also at more risk of having a more downtime due to batteries overheating on heavy tasks with all the power draw coming off a single battery.

Offline Svar

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2017, 01:43 PM »
The battery is 18V, 99Wh (says on the site). What else do you need? Its 5.5 Ah.
I don't think motor efficiency and other energy losses on this class of saws differ by more than few % from brand to brand.

Offline antss

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2017, 03:51 PM »
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I’m not concerned with boasting about battery performance.  Minimally you want to know the number of board feet and working time to decide how many batteries are required to complete a tasks.

 ::) talk about marketing boasting.  I can hear it now: "mine cuts longer than yours cuts "

You want it in board feet ?  ???  Who measures cut performance in those terms ?  A sawblade manuf. maybe.  Is that one board foot of yours 3/4 or 16/4 material ?   Are your sheetgoods Styrofoam or waterproof MDF ?  You'll get a lot more sheets cut with the former than latter.

Then there's where you'll be cutting this stuff.  Wintry Minnesota is going have much different performance than on the plains of Texas in the summer.  And Mafell isn't going to sell enough of them to warrant testing in either location.

Below is the link to makita's saw and I cannot find anyplace that says how many 2x4s or sheets of ply it'll cut.  Perhaps I missed it though.

 https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XPS01Z

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2017, 05:13 PM »
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I’m not concerned with boasting about battery performance.  Minimally you want to know the number of board feet and working time to decide how many batteries are required to complete a tasks.

 ::) talk about marketing boasting.  I can hear it now: "mine cuts longer than yours cuts "

You want it in board feet ?  ???  Who measures cut performance in those terms ?  A sawblade manuf. maybe.  Is that one board foot of yours 3/4 or 16/4 material ?   Are your sheetgoods Styrofoam or waterproof MDF ?  You'll get a lot more sheets cut with the former than latter.

Then there's where you'll be cutting this stuff.  Wintry Minnesota is going have much different performance than on the plains of Texas in the summer.  And Mafell isn't going to sell enough of them to warrant testing in either location.

Below is the link to makita's saw and I cannot find anyplace that says how many 2x4s or sheets of ply it'll cut.  Perhaps I missed it though.

 https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XPS01Z

The testing was done in various reviews.  The major price difference means there will be more independent testing.  Mafell is only well known in certain markets.  Mafell is high end brand with a limited audience.

For Canadians, the decision is even more difficult.  Once you factor in the exchange rate and getting nailed by tariffs crossing the US boarder, it’s downright painful.  Mafell would have been smarter to have a Canadian dealer like Atlas Machinery or Elite Tools carrying their brand. 

The $1750 Canadian price tag with the MT55, 1 Track, 2 blades and minor accessories is a difficult pill to swallow vs a more powerful TS 75 at $995 CAD with a track.

The Mafell design is great, it’s not worth an extra $800 to purchase of the Festool saws.

Offline DB10

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2017, 08:13 PM »
The 18v Mafell battery in question is indeed a Metabo battery which is 5.2 ah. 

 Interestingly Metabo have just introduced their 7.0 ah Li HD batteries which according to Metabo has a 100% longer run time over their 5.2 battery packs and supposedly produces 67% more power than their 5.2 battery. Charge times will be one hour using their new super fast charger. I'm waiting on some realtime user feed back before I make a purchase.
  If Maffel eventually offered this battery as an option then I can't see running on one battery as a problem.
 Seems like the new Metabo 7.0 battery is a game changer as it is the same size as a regular 18v battery pack as opposed to the bulky 9.ah offerings from Dewalt and Milwaukee.

Offline rizzoa13

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2017, 08:14 PM »
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I’m not concerned with boasting about battery performance.  Minimally you want to know the number of board feet and working time to decide how many batteries are required to complete a tasks.

 ::) talk about marketing boasting.  I can hear it now: "mine cuts longer than yours cuts "

You want it in board feet ?  ???  Who measures cut performance in those terms ?  A sawblade manuf. maybe.  Is that one board foot of yours 3/4 or 16/4 material ?   Are your sheetgoods Styrofoam or waterproof MDF ?  You'll get a lot more sheets cut with the former than latter.

Then there's where you'll be cutting this stuff.  Wintry Minnesota is going have much different performance than on the plains of Texas in the summer.  And Mafell isn't going to sell enough of them to warrant testing in either location.

Below is the link to makita's saw and I cannot find anyplace that says how many 2x4s or sheets of ply it'll cut.  Perhaps I missed it though.

 https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XPS01Z

The testing was done in various reviews.  The major price difference means there will be more independent testing.  Mafell is only well known in certain markets.  Mafell is high end brand with a limited audience.

For Canadians, the decision is even more difficult.  Once you factor in the exchange rate and getting nailed by tariffs crossing the US boarder, it’s downright painful.  Mafell would have been smarter to have a Canadian dealer like Atlas Machinery or Elite Tools carrying their brand. 

The $1750 Canadian price tag with the MT55, 1 Track, 2 blades and minor accessories is a difficult pill to swallow vs a more powerful TS 75 at $995 CAD with a track.

The Mafell design is great, it’s not worth an extra $800 to purchase of the Festool saws.

Yes it is. Compare the mt55 to ts55 and it’s worth that much more for various reasons. I can’t compare it to the ts75 as I’ve never used one.

I have the cordless mt55 and it has plenty of power and the runtime is great. Deciding how many batteries you’ll need is dependent on how much cutting your doing in the time it takes a batttery to recharge, obviously. After using it I’d say you would need 3 batteries to be able to cut pretty much straight through other 2 charging at a time.

Offline rizzoa13

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2017, 08:16 PM »
The 18v Mafell battery in question is indeed a Metabo battery which is 5.2 ah. 

 Interestingly Metabo have just introduced their 7.0 ah Li HD batteries which according to Metabo has a 100% longer run time over their 5.2 battery packs and supposedly produces 67% more power than their 5.2 battery. Charge times will be one hour using their new super fast charger. I'm waiting on some realtime user feed back before I make a purchase.
  If Maffel eventually offered this battery as an option then I can't see running on one battery as a problem.
 Seems like the new Metabo 7.0 battery is a game changer as it is the same size as a regular 18v battery pack as opposed to the bulky 9.ah offerings from Dewalt and Milwaukee.

It actually comes with the updated 5.5ah 99wh batteries. They are a far cry more powerful than the 5.2 and run a decent amount longer. I’ve got both and it’s noticeable.

Also the 7.0 would probably be fine on the saw as you don’t really feel the battery weight at all, very ergonomic.

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2017, 09:26 PM »
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I’m not concerned with boasting about battery performance.  Minimally you want to know the number of board feet and working time to decide how many batteries are required to complete a tasks.

 ::) talk about marketing boasting.  I can hear it now: "mine cuts longer than yours cuts "

You want it in board feet ?  ???  Who measures cut performance in those terms ?  A sawblade manuf. maybe.  Is that one board foot of yours 3/4 or 16/4 material ?   Are your sheetgoods Styrofoam or waterproof MDF ?  You'll get a lot more sheets cut with the former than latter.

Then there's where you'll be cutting this stuff.  Wintry Minnesota is going have much different performance than on the plains of Texas in the summer.  And Mafell isn't going to sell enough of them to warrant testing in either location.

Below is the link to makita's saw and I cannot find anyplace that says how many 2x4s or sheets of ply it'll cut.  Perhaps I missed it though.

 https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XPS01Z

The testing was done in various reviews.  The major price difference means there will be more independent testing.  Mafell is only well known in certain markets.  Mafell is high end brand with a limited audience.

For Canadians, the decision is even more difficult.  Once you factor in the exchange rate and getting nailed by tariffs crossing the US boarder, it’s downright painful.  Mafell would have been smarter to have a Canadian dealer like Atlas Machinery or Elite Tools carrying their brand. 

The $1750 Canadian price tag with the MT55, 1 Track, 2 blades and minor accessories is a difficult pill to swallow vs a more powerful TS 75 at $995 CAD with a track.

The Mafell design is great, it’s not worth an extra $800 to purchase of the Festool saws.

Yes it is. Compare the mt55 to ts55 and it’s worth that much more for various reasons. I can’t compare it to the ts75 as I’ve never used one.

I have the cordless mt55 and it has plenty of power and the runtime is great. Deciding how many batteries you’ll need is dependent on how much cutting your doing in the time it takes a batttery to recharge, obviously. After using it I’d say you would need 3 batteries to be able to cut pretty much straight through other 2 charging at a time.

It’s tough to compare the TS 75 to anything in the track saw world.  It’s a huge saw that lends itself more to hardwood cuts than plywood.  The blade change, track design, and dust extraction would be superior on the Mafell.  It would also be nice if the TS 75 would have a score cut.  The riving knife and extra power would be biggest stand out features in the TS 75 over Mafell. 

If NAFTA comes to an end, Mafell will have to find a Canadian Dealer.  The tariffs will jump to 12-15% making it next to impossible to sell Mafell’s products to Canadians out of the US.

Offline Holmz

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2017, 03:20 AM »
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It’s tough to compare the TS 75 to anything in the track saw world.  It’s a huge saw that lends itself more to hardwood cuts than plywood...

What is the definition of "huge" when one is north of Texas?  [tongue]




...  The blade change, track design, and dust extraction would be superior on the Mafell.  It would also be nice if the TS 75 would have a score cut.  The riving knife and extra power would be biggest stand out features in the TS 75 over Mafell. 

I am not sure that the riving knife is required... Or maybe I am just lucky?

The Mafell is cheaper than a TS55 + TS75 + a Betterly or an extra 3M long rail... So if one is doing sheet goods and thicker hardwood (>55mm), then maybe the TS55/TS75 is a better combo... I dunno, I just use the p1cc when I need deeper cuts.

In any case this thread was about the cordless model.

The Bosch rails were a better deal here (as they had them in country). They may need a NAFTA deal too?
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Offline yetihunter

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Re: New Mafell 18V track saw
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2017, 08:36 PM »
Coincidentally, my friend was just joking about how I should beg Timberwolf to rent me an MKS saw for my current workbench build.   🤣