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Offline mwahaha

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2016, 02:17 PM »
(lookin at you Bosch track saw)....

That saw only has one positive stop like the unimproved TS55R.... Just sayin...
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Offline Bohdan

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2016, 08:35 PM »
In a realistic application though what're you cutting that's thicker than a 2x4 but thinner than a 4x4? 12/4 boards? I can't really think of any trim that's thicker than 70mm but I don't see being able to cut baseboards standing up and using the sym fence unless it's the short cheap stuff from the box stores.

My Hitachi 10" cuts 100mm x 295mm and compounds 60 x 220. So I can (and do) cut posts, one piece lintels, compound angles on framing, right bevel more than 25mm (that metabo could only do 22mm).

Don't get me wrong, I think it looks like a nice saw, but I just think its retarded that manufactures limit 10" saws like this when they don't need to. A lot of people only have one saw, certain Makita's, Hitachi's and Dewalt's are so popular because you can almost do everything with the one saw

Its not a 10" saw its blade is 216mm (8 1/2")

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2016, 11:44 PM »
First off hats off to metabo for finally making a dual bevel scms with a small blade. (Hitachi used to make such a beast but only for Japan?).
Once the paint drys I think This is no kapex beater. At 40 lbs it's not lighter enough to justify the smaller cutting capacity. Furthermore I think not being able to miter 60 degrees is a shortcoming. I think there is a little to much fantasy about this saw on this thread, it looks cheap with skinny rails. But we shall see. If they got rid of that silly gimmicky moveable fence(more moving parts more problems) added 60 degree miter and shaved 5 lbs now maybe we got something.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2016, 06:08 AM »
We really don't know the quality of it so sure that is just speculation. I'll play Devils advocate though and say that:

1. It is lighter than a kapex
2. It has an added sym fence feature (even if you don't use it all the time I can see the applications.
3. It's most likely cheaper than a kapex (speculation)
4. There's a chance it won't have the same motor issues that the kapex does (don't jump on me here. I've experienced it and it sucks)
5. Everyone harping on the lack of the ug cart. Check out the new cart that's also being released with it. Loks like a Bosch gravity type cart with outrigger arms and it looks STURDY.

So let's not discount it, it could be a useful tool.

Offline tomtom1984

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2016, 07:00 AM »
As we are talking about compact saws I thought I might give you guys another possible option.
Only currently available in Japan and depth of cut is a little less again at 65mm but with a large slide and only weighing 12.4kg this thing is tiny! Perfect if like me you need your saw to be portable. Its the makita ls0717.




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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2016, 10:29 AM »
Metabo isn't really thought of as pro gear in The Netherlands and when I need a tool it certainly isn't a brand that I would consider. For some reason it has a very distinct DIY image. This saw however looks very nice indeed.

I've always used  Metabo  drills  and angle grinders. For quality  and robustness  hard to beat. Certainly not diy.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2016, 03:03 PM »
Just another take on the is/is not better than/comparable to a Kapex line of thinking - I do no need nor want a Kapex, but I would love to have a compact & quality SCMS that could handle 8-10" (dare I hope for 12"?) material up to ~3" thick and it furniture-grade accurate and clean-cutting.

A Kapex is overkill for me, I will never cut a piece of crown or anything taller than 2-3". I also would not pay Kapex-type $$ for a saw, but depending on how optimistic I was feeling on that particular day I might get close to $1K.

I have to admit I have not paid a lot of attention to it's form factor but at first impression I could justify the space penalty for this saw. One thing I avoid is any commonly used tool that I have to move/set up before I can us it, a saw like this in particular. It all seems moot right now since chances are it may never hit our shores.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2016, 04:04 PM »
As we are talking about compact saws I thought I might give you guys another possible option.
Only currently available in Japan and depth of cut is a little less again at 65mm but with a large slide and only weighing 12.4kg this thing is tiny! Perfect if like me you need your saw to be portable. Its the makita ls0717.
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I do like Makita but it seems that they cannot stick with a design for their sliders
I remember they used to have a 12" with a single large pole
Then they had the rails moving under the table
Then they went with rails on top behind the saw head
Then the dual rails one at top and one at bottom under the table
Now it shows a saw with rails stack top bottom on the side kind of like the Hitachi
Why are they contently redesigning their miter saws?
Their saws are one thing I don't really care for
They seems to have too many mix reviews
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline tomtom1984

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2016, 04:44 PM »
As we are talking about compact saws I thought I might give you guys another possible option.
Only currently available in Japan and depth of cut is a little less again at 65mm but with a large slide and only weighing 12.4kg this thing is tiny! Perfect if like me you need your saw to be portable. Its the makita ls0717.
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I do like Makita but it seems that they cannot stick with a design for their sliders
I remember they used to have a 12" with a single large pole
Then they had the rails moving under the table
Then they went with rails on top behind the saw head
Then the dual rails one at top and one at bottom under the table
Now it shows a saw with rails stack top bottom on the side kind of like the Hitachi
Why are they contently redesigning their miter saws?
Their saws are one thing I don't really care for
They seems to have too many mix reviews

I'm guessing that by moving the rails to the side it allows a double bevel facility while keeping the saw compact? Personally I really like makitas saws they are simple, lightweight and very accurate. The only makita saw I don't like is the plunge saw.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2016, 07:35 PM »
I used previously a lot of miter saws,and hands down the best is - Dewalt!
And does't matter what model.
Except maybe ... Kapex,but for a $$$ it has a lot of problems...

Dewalt DW713,14 years old,still working without any problems,no problems with engine,no problems with table and etc.
Perfectly balanced and amazingly comfortable!
Its just working!
Same about Dewalt drill and other tools.
Cold,warm,rain,dust....doesn't matter!
Its just working and working perfectly!
;)

I want to try some day Kapex,I used it just once and its absolutely amazing saw!
« Last Edit: March 15, 2016, 12:28 AM by VaDimZH »

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2016, 05:17 PM »
The price of the new Metabo is announced in Germany.
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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #71 on: March 31, 2016, 07:08 PM »
Interesting price; that's  Aus$1102. Will probably be more when importation costs and our GST is added.

Meantime, SYM Symmetric is Aus$1595.
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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2016, 07:18 PM »
Interesting price; that's  Aus$1102. Will probably be more when importation costs and our GST is added.

Meantime, SYM Symmetric is Aus$1595.
http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561304


Metabo Oz pricing seems to be pretty competitive ... They seem to be willing to compete in the marketplace rather than trying to manipulate it !!

We may be surprised [wink] ... Now, do I really need a third SCMS? [scratch chin]

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2016, 07:27 PM »
I'm sure that's also an introductory RRP. Probably takes at least €100 off that once physical stock hits the shops after a few months of fulfilling initial orders.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2016, 07:33 PM »
Looking forward to hearing about the impressions of this once it has been used, then a year later, than 6 years later.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2016, 08:39 PM »
Hopefully it'll last longer than 3 and a half years.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #76 on: March 31, 2016, 08:48 PM »
Interesting that some are still attempting to compare this saw with the Kapex, when it has a smaller blade and is in fact a hybrid of a Festool SCM type design and a sliding compound. With a 70mm depth of cut, the same as the Festool SCM, this is more a cabnitary, final fix, installation type of saw.

As to how long it will last? Remember Metabo too, like Festool probably has a few duds in a vast sea of reliable high quality German designed products.
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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #77 on: May 23, 2016, 02:29 PM »
Anyone know if it's coming to North America?

If yes please take my money :)


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« Reply #78 on: May 31, 2016, 05:34 AM »
Just noticed on metabo.com.au that this is to be released for June 2016 here.

http://www.metabo.com.au/KGSV-72-Xact-SYM-mitre-saw.57201.0.html

I haven't seen a price, so let's have a guess ... I'll start with $825  [smile]

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« Reply #79 on: May 31, 2016, 06:15 AM »
Just noticed on metabo.com.au that this is to be released for June 2016 here.

http://www.metabo.com.au/KGSV-72-Xact-SYM-mitre-saw.57201.0.html

I haven't seen a price, so let's have a guess ... I'll start with $825  [smile]

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I decided I am getting an Erika85, so it will double as a Kapex/Metabo SCMS, and a contractor saw. A bit more than the $825, plus $1250 of the deWalt 245 contractors saw. But I really don't need the SCMS very often. But I need a table saw.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2016, 02:18 PM »
I saw this saw recently at a metabo roadshow where I got to do a few test cuts and I was instantly impressed especially by how compact the machine is. The price was £549 +vat ,I forgot to ask if it was built in Germany. They also do the same saw but without the sym fence @ approx £100 less, I left to think things thru (as I am looking to purchase a new slider mainly for workshop use) and I am now torn between the 2x models...is the sym fence worth the extra cost ? Or are there other compact saws I should consider .  Ta

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2016, 02:38 PM »
I saw this saw recently at a metabo roadshow where I got to do a few test cuts and I was instantly impressed especially by how compact the machine is. The price was £549 +vat ,I forgot to ask if it was built in Germany. They also do the same saw but without the sym fence @ approx £100 less, I left to think things thru (as I am looking to purchase a new slider mainly for workshop use) and I am now torn between the 2x models...is the sym fence worth the extra cost ? Or are there other compact saws I should consider .  Ta

@Chef I think the SYM fence is one of those things that you'd never miss until you've got to use one. I could imagine myself using a SYM fence in a number of situations where it'd simplify the job, but I don't think I could justify a third SCMS based on how often it would come into play.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2016, 03:04 PM »
I'm also curious if it's made in Germany or not. If it is that would probably seal the deal for me and I'd be looking to replace my Bosch with the SYM version.

So far I've seen Metabo stuff from Germany, Hungary, Vietnam, Korea and China so all over the place! 

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #83 on: June 08, 2016, 03:55 PM »
I'm also curious if it's made in Germany or not. If it is that would probably seal the deal for me and I'd be looking to replace my Bosch with the SYM version.

So far I've seen Metabo stuff from Germany, Hungary, Vietnam, Korea and China so all over the place!

I'm going to guess made in China .. there appears to be a lot of design commonality with the Metabo cordless SCMS I have that's made in China. Annoying little things like the allen key rusting within weeks detract from a pretty solid design.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #84 on: June 16, 2016, 07:12 PM »
Also available without the "SYM" fence. Basically (dare I say it) a Kapex clone. A quick search tells me prices range between 500€ and 600€ (in Germany)... Might be an interesting upgrade, the space saving aspect is a huge factor for me.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #85 on: June 16, 2016, 07:33 PM »
Also available without the "SYM" fence. Basically (dare I say it) a Kapex clone. A quick search tells me prices range between 500€ and 600€ (in Germany)... Might be an interesting upgrade, the space saving aspect is a huge factor for me.

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No, not with a 216mm blade it's not.

This size machine is excellent for flooring, panelling, decking, etc .. but don't confuse the cut capacity. I'm hoping they intro a version of the KGSV 72 XACT SYM in cordless, then I'd swap my KGS 18 LTX 216 in a heartbeat.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #86 on: June 16, 2016, 07:44 PM »
Right, maybe my comparison to the Kapex was a little bit too fast. Cut capacity and Dust collection will be a lot less on the metabo, among other things. I really cant afford the Kapex but I would love a space saving miter saw.

I have a lot of flooring coming up, as well as fitting a kitchen and 2 large sheds, all of which this machine (and my current, the kgs 216) can easily handle. Budget wise though, decisions decisions...

Bottom line, I suppose this remains a decent alternative if one is looking for a compact saw.
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Offline Kev

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« Reply #87 on: June 16, 2016, 10:08 PM »
Right, maybe my comparison to the Kapex was a little bit too fast. Cut capacity and Dust collection will be a lot less on the metabo, among other things. I really cant afford the Kapex but I would love a space saving miter saw.

I have a lot of flooring coming up, as well as fitting a kitchen and 2 large sheds, all of which this machine (and my current, the kgs 216) can easily handle. Budget wise though, decisions decisions...

Bottom line, I suppose this remains a decent alternative if one is looking for a compact saw.

@Amalix Agree with you 100% .. my little cordless Metabo SCMS has a couple of "made in China" imperfect aspects, but as a complete unit it is really a little beauty - particularly for the price point. If this new little Metabo SYM is as good or better in quality as the Metabo I have, for the price you mention and it features - it'll be excellent buying [wink]

Before I got my KAPEX (I got it with the UG stand and extensions to easily move about) I got by happily (ignorantly) with a little Hitachi SCMS. There was always a lot of clean up with the Hitachi, the stand was a pain, measurement was a pain, stabilising different length pieces of timber with two free standing rollers was a pain ... I simply didn't realise the quantum leap of moving to the KAPEX until I was looking back. Now that I've added the little Metabo cordless SCMS the KAPEX sees a lot less action.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #88 on: June 17, 2016, 04:20 AM »
Id also spring for this in cordless. I've got a decent amount of the metabo LIHD batteries and plan to get more so Id get this in cordless in a heartbeat.

Can it cut crown nested? Probably not. Can it cut most everything else you'll be doing on a daily basis? Probably. In my eyes it  ould be very useful.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #89 on: June 17, 2016, 03:01 PM »
So I reached out to Metabo and they informed me the KGSV 72 Xact SYM is Made in China. Still comes with the 3 year warranty like all Metabo tools, but I'm curious what tools are still being made in Germany by Metabo.

I have a Metabo SB 18 LTX Quick BL and that's made in Germany. Metabo just released an update version of this drill (SB 18 LTX Q BL I) last month I'd be curious to see if this is also still made in Germany or also moved to China.