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Offline bobfog

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #90 on: June 17, 2016, 03:21 PM »
Made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing. It depends on what sort of handle Metabo has on enforcing good QC standards. In some instances the money saved on labour can be ploughed back into better components. Don't rule something out just because it's made in China.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #91 on: June 17, 2016, 09:15 PM »
Made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing. It depends on what sort of handle Metabo has on enforcing good QC standards. In some instances the money saved on labour can be ploughed back into better components. Don't rule something out just because it's made in China.

Unless you're talking about dog biscuits.  They "ploughed" something into those, but it was toxic to animals, killing them.
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Offline DB10

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #92 on: June 17, 2016, 09:24 PM »
  I spoke with Metabo about their Chinese production sometime ago as I was disappointed that the latest Cordless Angle grinders that were supposed to be built in Germany got switched to being produced in China.  I was told that it isn't all about the cheaper labour in China over Europe but it is more to do with logistics, apparently if you want to be able to produce quality machinery at a competitive price then it makes sense to make it in China. I sort of see where they are coming from, China is the epicentre for manufacturing and if that's where everyone else manufactures their tools then why make it hard on yourself and try do it somewhere else.
 By the way I've never had any problems with either Metabo or Milwaukee tools that have been manufactured in China, I believe companies like this invest a lot of time and money in their quality control.

Offline Kev

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #93 on: June 17, 2016, 10:27 PM »
I think there's a big difference between simply sourcing cheap stuff from Asia and flogging it for a tidy profit v's a reputable manufacturer reducing manufacturing costs .. if they do maintain a high quality standard it can be a benefit to the consumer.

I will confess though to immediately lowering my expectations when I appraise something cheaper that's made in China. If my Metabo cordless SCMS had been more expensive and made in Germany I wouldn't have expected the allen key to rust in the first week!


Offline dutchie

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2016, 09:58 AM »
My biggest gripe with stuff made in China isn't so much the quality, because as mentioned above plenty of high quality stuff is being made in China, but more with the lack of labor and environmental laws. I doubt the workers in the Chinese Metabo factory work on the same terms as their 'colleagues' in the German factories. And with that I don't mean how much they are being paid necessarily, but the number of days in the week they have to work, the number of hours and the amount of holidays they get, etc. etc.

Offline bobfog

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2016, 10:15 AM »
My biggest gripe with stuff made in China isn't so much the quality, because as mentioned above plenty of high quality stuff is being made in China, but more with the lack of labor and environmental laws. I doubt the workers in the Chinese Metabo factory work on the same terms as their 'colleagues' in the German factories. And with that I don't mean how much they are being paid necessarily, but the number of days in the week they have to work, the number of hours and the amount of holidays they get, etc. etc.

The counter argument is if people boycott because of the reasons you stated they wouldn't have jobs at all because if there isn't an economic advantage to be exploited they'd just move manufacturing back to Germnay and add 50% to the cost of the tools. So it's lose lose all round.

Offline McNally Family

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #96 on: June 18, 2016, 12:29 PM »
My biggest gripe with stuff made in China isn't so much the quality, because as mentioned above plenty of high quality stuff is being made in China, but more with the lack of labor and environmental laws. I doubt the workers in the Chinese Metabo factory work on the same terms as their 'colleagues' in the German factories. And with that I don't mean how much they are being paid necessarily, but the number of days in the week they have to work, the number of hours and the amount of holidays they get, etc. etc.


Dutchie, I agree with you completely.  I stopped purchasing shrimp from our local grocery, because it is sourced from places like Indonesia (as is most frozen grocery store and restaurant shrimp in this country), where the shrimp industry employs slave-like labor practices.

http://www.triplepundit.com/2014/06/csr-asia-inclusive-business-solve-shrimp-industry-ills/#

It's a small protest, of insignificant economic consequence, but as a matter of principle I now purchase shrimp from the Gulf and have it shipped overnight to my home in Tennessee.  It costs a little bit more, and it means I don't get to eat shrimp as often, but it tastes better knowing someone was paid a living wage, and can live in a decent home, while earning their living.

Festool utilizes factory labor in the Czech Republic for some of their products (PDC comes to mind), where labor costs are about 1/3 of that found in Germany.   Business will migrate to cheaper labor to maintain margins.  It is only when they end up harming people (or pets) in the process, where it becomes a problem.
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Offline dutchie

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #97 on: June 18, 2016, 01:50 PM »
My biggest gripe with stuff made in China isn't so much the quality, because as mentioned above plenty of high quality stuff is being made in China, but more with the lack of labor and environmental laws. I doubt the workers in the Chinese Metabo factory work on the same terms as their 'colleagues' in the German factories. And with that I don't mean how much they are being paid necessarily, but the number of days in the week they have to work, the number of hours and the amount of holidays they get, etc. etc.


Dutchie, I agree with you completely.  I stopped purchasing shrimp from our local grocery, because it is sourced from places like Indonesia (as is most frozen grocery store and restaurant shrimp in this country), where the shrimp industry employs slave-like labor practices.

http://www.triplepundit.com/2014/06/csr-asia-inclusive-business-solve-shrimp-industry-ills/#

It's a small protest, of insignificant economic consequence, but as a matter of principle I now purchase shrimp from the Gulf and have it shipped overnight to my home in Tennessee.  It costs a little bit more, and it means I don't get to eat shrimp as often, but it tastes better knowing someone was paid a living wage, and can live in a decent home, while earning their living.

Festool utilizes factory labor in the Czech Republic for some of their products (PDC comes to mind), where labor costs are about 1/3 of that found in Germany.   Business will migrate to cheaper labor to maintain margins.  It is only when they end up harming people (or pets) in the process, where it becomes a problem.
Glad we're on the same page :)

About the Festool Czech factory I think that was part of the deal when TTS (Festool's mother company) bought Narex, a czech company. So I think there's a difference with Metabo, Milwaukee etc. here. I don't think they moved labor their perse as its cheaper, but they simply obtained a fully functional factory there. This is just speculation from my side, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Offline McNally Family

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #98 on: June 18, 2016, 04:13 PM »
I'm sure your right.  I just remember seeing on the side of the PDC that it was made in the Czech Republic.  Then for some reason I was involved in research regarding labor rates in Europe, and how they compared to the United States.  That is how I discovered the difference between German and Czech labor costs. 
« Last Edit: June 18, 2016, 04:17 PM by McNally Family »
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Offline yetihunter

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #99 on: June 18, 2016, 11:30 PM »


completely relevant.

Offline yetihunter

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #100 on: June 18, 2016, 11:45 PM »
PDC was a Protool item.   I presume it was always made in the Narex (not to be confused with other Narex brands not owned by TTS) factory with other Protool products. 

The latest Metabo grinders are on display at my local shop.
They look and feel like a step down in quality.  Hopefully that's not the
case.   Overbuilt motors are their selling point, and I imagine they're either shipping them to their Chinese factory, or that they replicated the machinery.





Offline bobfog

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #101 on: July 16, 2016, 03:56 PM »
Hi all,

My first post and unfortunately it is not a happy one.
Got my new Metabo KGSV 72 Xact sym delivered today and was very happy with it until I tried to loosen the saw blade bolt and this happened:

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p :'(

Welcome to the forum.

Interesting first ever post to a Festool forum is about a fault with a newly released Metabo saw that competes with the Kapex. Care to elaborate a little love about how this catostrophic failure occurred or some more photos?

Offline RKA

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #102 on: July 16, 2016, 03:56 PM »
Ouch!  Not a good sign.
-Raj

Offline Kev

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #103 on: July 16, 2016, 04:19 PM »
MAN !

What happened? Did you accidentally launch it off a cliff while you were undoing the bolt or something [eek] ??

The looks quite disturbing.

Offline Lbob131

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #104 on: July 16, 2016, 05:11 PM »
The Metabo  KGS 315  looks impressive. Anyone own one?

Offline rvieceli

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #105 on: July 16, 2016, 05:40 PM »
Not trying to be rude.... but were you turning it the correct way? That bolt is reverse threaded (left handed). Clockwise to loosen and counter clockwise to tighten.


Offline rizzoa13

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #106 on: July 16, 2016, 06:55 PM »
You must've had s breaker bar on the wrench to do that

Offline Lbob131

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #107 on: July 17, 2016, 04:55 AM »
Where have fogme's images  went?

Offline Kev

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #108 on: July 17, 2016, 05:42 AM »
Where have fogme's images  went?

It would appear that they deleted the post.

Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #109 on: August 03, 2016, 02:17 PM »
I picked up a Metabo 18V KGS yesterday and I fondled the KGS 72 Xact SYM. It seems nice enough for sure. It felt like a quality machine. There was nothing to cut in the shop though.

I was a little bummed that the 18V only does 45(+2) right and left but all things considered and for what it is supposed to do for me it will fit the bill. It will be paired with the Metabo KSS40. Haven't even had time to fire it up yet though!
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Offline Coach.carpenter

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #110 on: September 04, 2016, 04:00 PM »
Very impressive! I've been hankering after the Metabo 254plus for a while but this is a lovely bit of kit! I wish more local shops stocked their stuff so I could get a hands on feel for them

Offline edcrumpo

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #111 on: June 15, 2017, 05:42 PM »
I've have been doing a lot of research on this saw and have found it difficult to find an in depth review of the Metabo KGSV 72 Xact SYM.

I did find one review which was in German here:

https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/5032774_-kgsv-72-xact-sym-metabo.html#Expertenmeinung

I've cut and paste the review below for anyone who wishes to read it. (N.B It has been translated using google translate so there are some errors)

20.08.16 - The Carpenter (reviewers name)
Neat saw: I recently added the "Metabo KGSV 72 XACT SYM". I use the saw mainly for flooring and trimming for skirting boards.
Pro: The saw has an acceptable weight and the carrying handles are arranged in the right place. The settings of the angles and stops work as seen in the "known" videos. The suction works with vacuum cleaner, (Festo Midi) quite neat. Depending on the material, the chips are sucked out almost completely. I noticed positively that the fine dust, which causes hysteria in the customer, is sucked very well. The saw has a secure stand and compact dimensions. The cut quality with the included saw blade is very good. When one has become acquainted with the many red heads and levers, The operation is really simple and practical. Particularly useful for the trimming of skirting boards is the swiveling of the saw on both sides when the masons have not properly cleaned the corners. Then, the angle previously transmitted with the slider need not be adjusted again. Those who have to mount baseboards often know what I mean. The adjustment of the laser is quite simple if you have the necessary fingertip feeling. It is also practical that you can disable the latch function for the common angles. This makes it easy to adjust angles just next to the snaps. Because of the good performance I use the saw more and more often in the workshop. Contra: The saw has only few points of criticism. The symmetrical adjustment of the stops has to my taste somewhat too much play. In practice this means that if I transfer an angle with the Schmiege, I can move the respective other stop somewhat back and forth after tightening the left or right stop until I have also tightened it. When adjusting, this means that I have to keep the scraper carefully against the stops until the second stop is locked. In my opinion this is only a habit. The supplied Schmiege is unfortunately of no particularly good quality. The tightening screw must be tightened if the angle is not adjusted when the angles are transferred. I have already exchanged the Schmiege since I use this much. The lead wire could be slightly longer and softer. A quality similar to Festo would be nice. The integrated working light and the laser could be somewhat brighter, but they are usable.
Conclusion: In price and performance, the saw with its combination of grooving and panel saw fully convinced me. The processing and handling are very good. I would buy the saw again immediately.

Offline Roachmill

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #112 on: June 16, 2017, 04:33 AM »
I got one as a second more mobile saw to compliment my 25Kg 12" DWS780. I posted random thoughts on it over on the UK Workshop forum. First post on it is here with more posts further through the thread.

In a nutshell it's a fine saw but the detents, at least on my one, aren't bang on and I've not found a way of adjusting them. That's not to say there isn't a way to tweak them... I just haven't looked properly yet as, with the SYM fences, there's a lot of moving parts down below [scared]

Offline LJD

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #113 on: June 16, 2017, 04:35 AM »
Anyone who think Metabo is not producing quality items are fools .They could easily take on festool and win.

Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #114 on: June 16, 2017, 04:04 PM »
Roachmill: thank you for the review and insight on the Metabo SYM. I wasn't too thrilled with the KS60 so I didn't keep it. If I were in the market for this size saw again I would definitely go with the Metabo SYM as it would probably meet my expectations which are probably on par with your findings. :)

Since I have some bigger stuff to cut this summer (decking/fenceposts) I ended up buying a Metabo 254 - it has no softstart but is light, "cheap", does the job and I got it with the KSU 401 stand which has a spread up to 4m.  [eek]
I didn't go larger in saw size as the tasks at hand does not require it.

I was expecting to true up the saw but to my pleasant surprise the machine is dead on from factory when checked with a large, calibrated square.  I am sure it will do the job and I don't expect miracles from it. Horses for courses. :)
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Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #115 on: June 16, 2017, 06:13 PM »
Anyone who think Metabo is not producing quality items are fools .They could easily take on festool and win.
Theyd need to come up with a whole lot more products and accessories. And establish themselves in the US MUCH better.
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Offline aloysius

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #116 on: June 19, 2017, 11:02 AM »
I think that you're both right, and I think you're both wrong, too.  Metabo generally marches to a different beat to Tooltechnic (Festo, Festool, Narex, Kraenzle, Schneider).  Some Metabo tools are great.  Brilliant, even.  Some are crap.  Just like Festo/ol.

Principally, Metabo's a category killer in grinders, and also latterly general steelwork tools.  Others make good grinders, too.  Flex. Robbie Bosch. Eisenblaetter.  Maybe even Fein.  From a handful to perhaps a dozen or 2 each.  Metabo makes over 100 different grinders.  It's their particular expertise & specialisation.  Just like Festo/ol was principally a sander manufacturer.

Metabo also makes drills.  Dozens of 'em.  Most very good, and some exceptionally so.  A couple are truly outstanding (BE75 x3, GB18) in their respective capabilities.  From the sands of the desert to the arctic, from North Sea oil rigs to shipyards, industrial sites all over the world use Metabo drills & grinders in particular in the toughest worksites.

Since making inroads into the construction market, Metabo has increased its range somewhat exponentially, especially in cordless gear.  I'll be the first to admit that there's still fairly glaring holes within their cordless range (planers, sanders et. al.) but there's still over 80 different cordless Metabo tools.  In fact a breadth of product that frankly makes Tooltechnic's efforts rather paltry in comparison.  If one adds in the compatible output from such venerated tool manufacturers as Mafell & Rothenberger, then the "Metabo & Friends" cordless range is in my opinion pretty outstanding.

I have only a few myself (9), but consider them close to if not the best tools available in their particular categories.  Aside from everything else, they (Mafell & Rothenberger too) currently sport the world's best, most powerful, versatile and energy dense battery platform available.  It's quite a revelation what high current capacity batteries can accomplish these days.  The only categories that I can think of that have a palpable need for improvement are in SDS Plus & Max combis & hammers, routers & small, compact impact drivers.  Bosch, DeWalt & Makita respectively dominate these segments, and even Festo/ol's handful of equivalents are not exactly exemplars of these particular categories either.

Where Festo/ol tend to dominate is in their sanders, especially those extremely capable aged Holz Her designs they inherited, vacuums (thanks to the Kraenzle purchase;  Metabo, in common with the majority of other German firms use Starmix variants) and of course their loose tenoners which rival even the very best alternatives from Lamello & Mafell.  Most relevant SMEs would be using Festo or Rupes electric sanders these days.

With their relatively unopposed dominance in metalwork tools & rapid expansion into the cordless and construction tools sectors, both Metabo and its Rothenberger and Mafell "companions" are targeting quite a different market segment to Festo/ol.  Festos tend to be more at home in the workshops of small enterprises, sole traders and hobby woodworkers, whereas the aforementioned "gang of 3" are specifically targeting industrial, large commercial & construction clients and specific primary industries such as mining & energy extraction.  From a global perspective, if not specifically north american, you would find Metabo especially and I suspect disproportionately well represented in these specific industries.

As for the dearth of north american representation, well in some ways the 3 countries that comprise the continent have only themselves to blame for that situation.  It's pretty difficult to design a high quality, robust and sophisticated tool around what amounts to an effectively 3rd world mains reticulation system.  Look what's happening to many of the Kapex saws connected to the north america's half-voltage network!  They were never the most robust of tools in the first place, and to connect them to such a primitive reticulation network is almost inevitably asking too much of their somewhat delicate nature.

The rest of the world (aside from the odd tiny banana republic) made the change a century or more ago, allowing much more sophisticated, powerful tools & appliances that would quite frankly overwhelm a lower voltage wiring loom.  It's great news for your local tool manufacturing industry, who can make more specialised lower voltage tooling with extra heavy duty field wiring to cope with those inevitable powerful eddy currents & excess heat generation.  But it's a different story for the major (& a disaster for the small ones, like Festo, Metabo & the like) global tool manufacturers, who must make extensive, expensive, and occasionally (as with Festo's Kapex) ultimately unsuccessful specific modifications for what is with all due respect a fairly marginal proportion of their total marketplace.
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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #117 on: June 19, 2017, 12:44 PM »
Nice background piece.

However , for clarity , it needs to be mentioned that FESTO and Festool /TTs are not interchangeable when discusing power tools.

The companies were divide up around the turn of the century to various family members and are completely separate entities now.  FESTO is a pneumatics and industrial automation company .  TTS principally makes handheld electric tools, vacuums, storage solutions via Tanos and lately is into PUR molding processes.

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #118 on: June 19, 2017, 12:58 PM »
"As for the dearth of north american representation, well in some ways the 3 countries that comprise the continent have only themselves to blame for that situation.  It's pretty difficult to design a high quality, robust and sophisticated tool around what amounts to an effectively 3rd world mains reticulation system.  Look what's happening to many of the Kapex saws connected to the north america's half-voltage network!  They were never the most robust of tools in the first place, and to connect them to such a primitive reticulation network is almost inevitably asking too much of their somewhat delicate nature."

Interesting statement about what you think our NA electric system is run on. Just to clarify, most homes in Canada and the USA have roughly 220V to 240V on between 100 and 200 amp services. Industry in Canada runs on 240V 377V 575V and 600V while in the USA its typically 220 and 440V. Households in both countries have 120V and 220V circuits. I fail to see whats archaic in this. We are not offered the higher voltage tools here for whatever reasons because of those that control the sales of these items. Many shops would have no issues, jobsites would either adapt or take the English road with both 120V and 220V tools.

John

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Re: New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw
« Reply #119 on: June 19, 2017, 01:07 PM »
Reading between the lines in the post a few back blaming the USA electrical systems for Festool's inability to make a good universal motor for the Kapex is utterly ridiculous.

110/115V 60hz is just that and most all universal motors made right now work perfectly on 50-60hz.

« Last Edit: June 19, 2017, 01:10 PM by Dovetail65 »
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